Hollywood Needs To Stop Listening To The Mob On Social Media - Chris Gore
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- Chris Gore is a writer, comedian, author and television personality who has built a solid reputation as a hilariously outspoken voice in the entertainment world. As a teenager, Chris founded the brutally honest magazine Film Threat, which began as a fanzine while he was a college student in Detroit. As Film Threat evolved into a respected national magazine, he relocated to Los Angeles. The print magazine was retired in 1997 when it was re-launched as a web site. FilmThreat.com found a huge audience online and was named one of the top five movie web sites by the Wall Street Journal. Chris has appeared as a film expert on MSNBC, E!, CNN, Travel Channel, and Reelz Channel. Chis has also hosted shows on FX, Starz, IFC and G4TV’s Attack of the Show as the show’s film expert. His weekly movie review segment DVDuesday was among the most popular on G4. Chris is also an author, having written The 50 Greatest Movies Never Made and The Complete DVD Book. His book The Ultimate Film Festival Survival Guide is considered the bible of the industry and is required reading at film school.
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Most Woke Movies Of All Time - www.ranker.com/list/best-woke-movies/ranker-film
Looking over the list, I have to wonder what the definition of "woke" really is. Is it woke because it has an African American lead? Is it woke because it has a female lead? Is it woke because it's a superhero movie that mentions colonialism in passing?
There are some really great movies on that list but what makes me wonder about it is that you have Captain Marvel on there, but not Crash, Shawshank Redemption, or Selma (unless I missed those). That's what makes me wonder what "woke" really means here.
According to this list's movies, woke is vaguely defined enough to just mean "any movie with a message" but the term itself holds so much weight in modern context with which ideologies have appropriated and redefined the term from its historical meaning/context. (i.e when I hear how angry folks who watch too much rightwing news use it haha) This list just makes me remember why I hate how people've taken the term "woke" and turned it into an incendiary buzzword.
Having a message does not equal woke. That list seems like it's trying to gaslight us into thinking woke has been around for decades. Just because a movie is socially conscious does not mean it's woke, imo.
Strange, I don't remember being told I was a racist if I didn't enjoy WALL-E?
@@LisaFenix so then movies like in the heat of the night, Mississippi burning, ferngully, nightbreed all count as woke? Cause they all do have a message.
Everytime I see his name in an interview, I click. He always has something worth hearing to say.
Spot on. Couldn’t agree more
Chris has a channel called film threat.
@Ace Yummy And he has more in-depth commentary about movies on the Film Threat channel with his co-host Alan Ng. Worth the watch!
Samzies, I can't resist the siren song of Chris Gore
Me too
The social media mob's favorite form of entertainment isn't movies, music, TV, or books. It's SOCIAL MEDIA! Anyone in any other business should be very wary of taking them seriously.
if not outright shutting their doors to them. Their words are poison.
their sport is to see who they can make bow to their whim. They wanna see movies pandering to their demands for the sentiment of power it gives them. They will not see the movie, they just wanna see that the movie was changed for them.
"wary"
Yep, and make no mistake the hobby is: contrarian whinging. That's the actual source of their dopamine hit. The hobby is collective whinging about anything that other people like or enjoy. The blue checkmarks on Twitter aren't consumers; they're activists. They're not going to buy a product, enjoy a product, review a product, etc. They're solely interested in manufactured outrage for 72 hours...and then they can move onto the next thing they deem "inappropriate". Without imagines slights and victimization, these people have no existence. They need a fake struggle to imagine they have a purpose.
B bbbbut Elon was gonna fix it lol
"I'm not trying to be right". Excellent words from Chris that more people should try to live by.
I can't help but think that right now is a perfect time for independent artists to make their mark. Corporate media isn't satisfying the market, artists have an opportunity to fill that niche.
There’s a reason indie films are starting to become a bit more popular again. While they don’t have the funds Hollywood has, these artists are more creative and think of a good story rather than adding political crap.
We need studios like Canon, Orion again. Like in the 80s. Pure action, little stories, chances for all kinds of artists. Directors with visions and actors who want to play in everything.
Good luck getting funding without a high ESG score.
Yes!!!!
Yes, if they can get the funding. Insightful investors really have an opportunity here if a project with good writing and directing can be found that deserves a chance.
As a 51 year old man who grew up in the late 70s-80s, I agree. 110 percent. Movies once had a way of bringing people together. Star Wars is a great example. It was released in theaters in 77. Disco was still a thing. People loved that movie for so many reasons. I miss the magical time of cinema.
My aunt here in Scotland, used to date the big English man that played darth vader. I was a kid and never seen star wars at the time. He gave me a personalised autograph with a photo of him on the left. Photo of vader on the right, with his message written in the middle. I never knew how cool a thing it was at the time and misplaced it over the years unfortunately.
When the woke argument about the lack of black people in space, I always like to joke about darth vader Being the 1st black guy in space way back in the 70s. Ironically black people find it funny. It's white people it seems to get in a fake outrage.
As a fellow 51 year old, I agree! ...and now 'Americans' are 'entitled' to say we are "socialized" to be bigots because of our age, and we are both male, so Guilty...
I for one believe the magic of the cinema is still there. The last movie I saw to use it. Was "Spider-Man: No Way Home."
A lot of modern movies don't tap into it. They don't think they need it. Or overlook it. In the end, it doesn't really matter. Because the result is always the same.
A dull movie with a cardboard identity and missing soul.
My dad told me how he stood in line for 4 hours to see the Empire Strikes Back. I can't imagine any movie I would stand in line for now. Thank goodness for the older stuff.
The magic is still there, people just need to stop going to the cinema with an "go on, impress me" attitude
It's not hard to see why Film Courage interviews Chris Gore so much. More often than not, he's right
I am grateful that they do. It gets the truth out there. Our whole family is terribly discouraged with the state of our entertainment.
Chris is amazing.
Plus he owns it hahaha
Its his channel & his own questions being asked Sherlock
@@luminyam6145 Just know there are filmmakers out there who genuinely want to make films for the real movie fans. Not this cancerous woke mob
Here is an example: by the time I saw this video there are 2986 likes and 14 dislikes. Hollywood and recent media are making content for those 14 people.
I started watching Film Courage in 2014 and I recall the worse you got back then was mocked for not liking the marvel movies, but since 2014 the whole industry has pushed an agenda so blatant that it can't be ignored. This interview is a reflection of that, I can't even imagine it 8 years ago.
That's what happens when you treat fiction as a form of religion which is what the woke crowd does. As far as they are concerned Black Panther is not just a movie, but instead viewed the same way the ancient Norse people viewed Thor and the Asgardians. And not to play sides but the Norse people at least have the excuse of being an ancient civilization and we technically weren't alive back when the myth of the Asgardians was first told. We do know that Black Panther is a character created by Marvel comics for profit.
I do like Chris Gore’s rationale, honesty and well-reasoned points of view.
This particular topic has needed to be addressed for a long time.
It has been. Unfortunately, that same mob villainizes those people for saying it and the rest of us sit around like idiots allowing less than 1% of the population dictate what gets made.
He brings up very good points. It has become commonplace to insert politics and strong beliefs in movies. For some movies, it fits. For most, it does not. I'm on the left. I'm a democrat, feminist and mostly socialist who thinks LGBTQ folks deserve justice and freedom. These same studios re-make and censor movies for Chinese markets to remove gay characters while attacking fans for the same thing they removed for that massive money market? Are you kidding me?
The tide has come in too far. We don't need one gay character for every straight couple. We don't need one strong woman for every action star. Hollywood is beating viewers over the head with lecturing and contrite messaging. ridiculous
A good female and balanced message would be shows like Andor. Creators shouldn't be constrained by their acceptable popular culture. Look at the equalizer, a gay obese and aging black woman? For that role? It was made to dare people to not like it. It's so bad.
Star wars Kenobi wasn't made to give fans an engaging story, it was made to preach and say "like it or we attack you and call you a misogynist and a racist". The current trend is to attack fans and marketing hate? How is attacking fans and changing their complaints to something awful a winning strategy? It's laughable and absurd.
It's been addressed plenty enough, now we need to transition into eliminating the ones responsible for it.
At this point... Hollywood and the mob are walking , holding hands together
And a toxic relationship at that aswell
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Me in the past: I gonna go to the theater and gonna have a good time.
Me currently: So much bad diarrhea coming out of Hollywood, I'll stream it illegally or pirate it, if I indeed have to see one. Those fuckers and assholes in HW won't get a single penny anymore.
Bullshit. Hollywood is the one that created the mob. Hollywood, media, educational system, and so on.
I love listening to Chris Gore talk about media, stories, and film making. He seems to have a real down-to-earth understanding of the various audiences and what we appreciate.
He's the ''Larry the cable guy'' of film criticism.
The 2016 Ghostbusters was the first time I really noticed this phenomenon. It was such an objectively awful film, but anyone who criticised it on social media was attacked as a misogynist.
"Objectively awful"...?
@@toppersundquist Ghostbusters 2016 being awful is not an opinion, it's a fact.
@@toppersundquist yes, it’s a fact, supported by the empirical evidence that it’s garbage.
@@Pneumanon And, of course, you can present this evidence?
@@toppersundquist Sure can. Look up Ghostbusters 2016 and watch it.
I've been saying this for years... The scifi fans that have loved, Princess Leia, Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor, Ashoka Tano, Buffy, The long list of female superheros.. Are somehow overnight sexist because they didn't like Captain Marvel, Rey, Rose, Rings of Power, She-Hulk, Ghostbusters (2016), etc.
Don't forget Dana Scully! I'm rewatching the X-Files and the writing and performance have aged so well. But her character and storyline would likely be criticized heavily today
@@TheWolfeDen Criticized by who? Purple haired furies on Twatter who are confused about their gender? Why even listen to such people?
@@starwrecker7524 basically!
It's not the fact that they are the main protagonist. It's not that at all. We accepted characters like Princess Leia Sarah Connor Wonder Woman is the way that they have been politicized is the problem. We don't want to be told we're mysogonists racists or bigots. Just tell the damn story already f all that political nonsense. Just stick to telling the story nothing more
But fans were complaining about it online before the movies were even released. So it’s not really about their opinion of the movie, because they haven’t seen it.
This has needed to be said for a long time.
It has been said many times, in many forms, in many media platforms. The question is: who listens?
What they're trying to create with audience-shaming is an atmosphere where people watch movies and shows the same way that middle school and high school kids in cliques listen to music. If you were one of the punks, you were supposed to like these bands whereas if you were one of the popular girls, you were supposed to like these other bands, etc. Most of these people are more than happy to stop aligning their musical tastes to those of their peers after graduating because it's a chore and that's exactly what tribal fandom has become for visual media.
Very well observed, I'd certainly never thought of it from that angle
Social media (especially Twitter) seems to allow people to maintain silly highschool dynamics into adult life in general, I'd say 🤣
"Let the work speak for itself. If people don't like it, don't vilify your audience." Thank you! People can only be told it's their fault for not liking something so much before they get burnt out and go elsewhere. It shows they think we're stupid.
When Chris Gore speaks...people listen.
Another great message from him.
He is too rational. He's gonna be blacklisted in Hollywood for it
@@PorterPickUp this is were we all rational or trying to be rational people come into picture . Plus he is not asking for a role. So he definitely has some upper hand there .
Hollywood listens to $$$ the most. Stop watching their woke nonsense.
He is absolutely right, how many people are there like me who absolutely won't go see a movie if they are trying to turn it into a leftist sermon. Sorry I will go out of my way to make sure the movie never gets my money. I'm sure you leftists don't want to be forced to sit in a church for two hours and be preached to.
Absolutely, love to hear his perspective on things.
Chris Gore should stand in front of all of Hollywood (at an awards show for example) and tell them exactly this.
Preach!!!💖👍🥳
Ricky Gervais style 😉🤣
Then the Hollyweird woketards would call him a racist, bigot, transphobe, and would then try to get him canceled.
Yes stand up and say “stop listening to people who want movies about sexism and racism. Stop making films like Fury Road, Get Out, Black Panther, Wonder Woman” never make Marvel and Star Wars films with black and gay and trans people in major roles, those people aren’t your real audience.
And it'll all go in one ear and out the other.
Sigourney weaver was my first fully adult woman crush when I was just a kid. All other crushes were girls of my age until I saw her as Ellen Ripley and I fell for her. I didn't just love those films I loved her. There was no agenda, there was just a practical woman in a horrible group of situations. To this day i don't know what her politics is and that is a good thing. Lt. Ripley was will always be the queen of the sci fi world and the woke CANNOT touch her.
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One of my boyhood crushes was JoBeth Williams in Poltergeist - the character is such a wholesome and strong mom, and a naturally sexy, confidant woman. I wanted to be part of that family.
In the lousy remake, they OF COURSE made the family dysfunctional and hard to like.
@@derkeheath5172 Indeed ,that's a great example. She was very pretty.
Haha the first couple times I saw that movie I didn't understand they were rolling joints/smoking pot together. I thought it was cigarettes. It wasn't till I was a teen did I get it. They were smoking dope and having a fun couple time LOL.
I want to share this sentiment with you
@derkeheath5172 Totally agree. I had such a crush on JoBeth Williams in Poltergeist. Summer of 82 was the summer of the hot Suburban moms, with Jobeth in Poltergeist and Dee Wallace in E.T.
The topic of strong women in films has gotten a bit long in tooth for me, but I will admit JoBeth,Dee, along with Sandhal Bergman (Conan), Faye Grant (V, V: The Final Battle, V: The Series), Erin Gray (Buck Rogers), and others do not get the credit they deserve.
It seems all the fan community knows is Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor.
It was racking my brain thinking I've seen this guy before, and suddenly it hit me: he used to be on G4's Attack on the Show way back in the 00's. His DVD/movie review segment was probably my favorite part of the show, because he was always very honest and thoughtful. I see that hasn't changed at all about him!
Love this so much. I'd say the biggest issue with movies taking complex socio-political topics and turning into preach fests. There's no room for interpretation or ambiguity to let the audience stew over. Its all just "we're right, you're wrong, and if you don't agree then you're part of the problem." And it is EXTREMELY off putting to audiences of any political persuasion.
Sort of like " Don't look up". Turned it off after 30 minutes.
It can actually work in the opposite direction too, turning people off from your message who might otherwise be open to it.
To tell Hollywood to stop listening to twitter mobs on social media is to tell a weabo to stop watching anime. Hollywood owners are leftist my guy.
@@stansmith8499 I've stopped with games, films, TV shows, the lot... Until "The Message" gets the message, I'll be head first into my hobbies and not paying the lost creatives a dime. Their souls are owned, their work isn't their own, isn't authentic, when the artist's hand is forced, there's nothing worth paying attention to.
That phrase you quoted is pretty much the definition of Marxism
Chris hit on one of the two key differentiators of what makes something "woke" versus simply "diverse" - being lectured to by The Message. The other, less spoken about by people but arguably more important, is that the intent of including The Message in the first place is almost guaranteed to be disingenuous, insincere. Companies aren't doing it to be genuinely altruistic, they're doing it because they think that this extremely vocal minority is going to make them more money. Meanwhile, the extremely vocal minority aren't spending their own monies in the first place, but have no problem wasting other people's monies for their own self-centered desires.
when I read the part about The Message, I imagined it in the way the drinker says it in his videos lol
Very true, the real problem is that this Message isn't really believed by the film makers that portray it. Or, when it is, it comes at the cost of the quality, comedy, action and dramatic writing of whatever piece they are making, at the cost of believable stories.
The Message™️
the problem with that is that there is a huge section of the audience that seems to think the mere inclusion of a character is some how pandering and forcing an agenda. so you get people arguing why are they Latino, or black is there any reason they had to be, why make them bi or gay it doesn't further the story so why do it. and something gets labeled as woke for just acknowledging people exist. Is there any reason they had to be that way? unless its part of the story no they don't have to be anyway but they don't have to be anything at all, in most cases outside the core cast that the story is about every single character could be played by faceless mannequins with out hurting story.
@The Rotten💯 While I agree with most of what you wrote, you misread my comment. I said the insincerity is the more important differentiator than the lecturing, not the other way around.
Once more, Chris Gore knocks it out of the park. So spot on. "Don't vilify your audience." Perfect.
Who's doing that though?
I read film criticism on some woke site that argued the hero’s journey was forced story structure from the “patriarchy.” It made my eyes roll hard, and explained a lot of this BS Hollywood has given us recently.
I'd be curious to review Hollywood organisations' documents and communications. If their documents showed a greater frequency of 'politics', 'deconstruction', 'representation', 'patriarchy' etc, then 'art', 'wonderment', you could probably prove that their primary engagement wasn't storytelling.
what criticism. They dont have brains between their ears. You need to have A BRAIN to THINK. They are thinkers. They are all about emotion.
1+1 happened to be discovered by a Male of the Spieces known as HomoSaipan .............Therefor EVIL! lol
That is basically the belief of the person who wrote the post you speak of. haha
It all has to do with inserting ESG. Everything else, including good story telling, is irrelevant.
@@waynemcleod6767 Sorry I must admit, Wayne.
Your profile picture is fucking amazing.
"Apparently they dragged me on Twitter. I don't give a f**k, because Twitter is not a real place." -Dave Chappelle
The sad thing that Hollywood won't realize is that the social media mob doesn't even go to the movies they complain about. They howl on social media and then when Hollywood makes a movie to appeal to them, they don't go see them. And the audience that really wanted that film doesn't go because they hate the changes that were made for the twitter mob. Also, I love how he differentiates between a message and wokeness. I think that's a writing skill that has been lost.
Why are they such idiots to listen to the wrong mob that whine about things?
I haven't stepped foot in a movie theater in a few years now. I love the movie theater experience but I'm skeptical about most movies nowadays. I'd rather re-watch old films than waste my time with a lot of new films. What he says about marketing is also very powerful. Woman King for me is a great example. I'm a black man and when I first saw the trailer for Woman King I thought it looked like an awesome film with a good story and "diversity" that made sense. The name of the film was a little unsettling for me but I was considering taking my wife to see it. When I found out that it was marketed as historically accurate that was enough for me to change my mind. If they just made a completely fictional film with a good story rather than lie about it being historically accurate in marketing I would have watched it. Viola Davis used to be one of my all-time favorite female actresses. I don't know if I care to watch anything new with her in it now. Lying about history is a big deal.
Lol numb nuts
Not all new movies are bad.
"I want to be involved in a human story, that I can relate to" It doesnt even have to be human, we can watch movies like Wall-E, The Brave Little Toaster, Toy Story, Land Before Time, etc. and still be moved. Those movies weren't made for Robots or Toasters or Dinosaurs or Toys, but we can still relate to their stories and their struggles!
All of those things were given human characteristics. You can't really think he meant biologically human stories. C'mon, man.
@@bigduke5902 I wasn't disagreeing with his statement, simply adding to it
yes good character development that isn't used to attack the audience goes a really long way
So true.A character's journey is what we relate to as audience. So this whole thing about "representation" is not working in most of the recent movies.
But Toy Story is REPRESENTATION for all toys. Get it together OP. /s
Amen to this one. This explains why nearly half the stuff I start to watch on Netflix or HBO Max I end up not finishing.
See I still really don’t even know who this guy is, but man do I love his opinion on cinema and movies. Literally everything he says about Hollywood and the movie industry is what everyone I know thinks and he is so much fun to listen to!! keep bringing him back👍🏻👍🏻
Hear, hear. Thank you Film Courage for giving Chris a voice because he speaks for 95% of Mankind (who are as good as voiceless in the modern day world where the vocal minority seems to be winning on all fronts (especially in the dying (and more and more hated and despised) movie-industry).
I swear even on Chris’ death bed he will still be interviewed for this channel 😆
Ha ha ha ha
Is that so wrong?
@@Theomite no
That happened to me when I went to watch Amsterdam..I left in the middle close to the end of the movie.
And I am a liberal eclectic person who homeschooled her children and could understand the ideologies of both political parties in USA. By the way, I am from another country and could see things with certain perspective. So, to go to the movies to be preached by the script, the director and the actors- OMG, I have a brain and I come to the cinema to take a break of what I am working.
This politically correct “thing” is killing me, and is a big subject, but do not put it in a story, it smells so fake.
And from a person that has worked and related to African Americans in an African American Architectural Studio in Atlanta, GA (when I lived in Atlanta), the movie was painful to watch…
The directors and writers felt so good about themselves teaching me about life- really?
“How many dear friend do you have that are African Americans, truly, none. Because if you have, you would not treat them like that. Period.
Or that movie that glorified the countless atrocities of a I think African tribe (my memory went on vacation) and then after discovering this, they tried really hard to cover it up so it wouldnt damage the reputation of the film.
@Amemiya Nazuna virus [Ear dmg incoming] you're talking about The Woman King. I saw the film, and it didn't "glorify" the atrocities of history. It showcased it, but it really was about a coming of age story and the story of loss and rising from a traumatic experience. There's nothing woke about that film.
This film was lambasted by the mob this video was talking about. And mostly from people who didn't even see the film, but ibstead decided to be influenced by the social media mob.
I clicked through Amsterdam and from the start I knew I should do something better with my time. The film was an overindulgent and way too long mess. It reminded me of a joke film here from Czech Republic called Smart Philip (2003). The difference is that our film was light, fun and witty. A little parody on Philip Marlowe detective stories. It is lightyears ahead of a heavy and unfunny stuff Amsterdam is. Amsterdam is especially sad because Smedley Buttler is a person people should know about.
They are not "African American" unless they were BORN IN AFRICA or have citizenship in an African country. They are Black Americans or as I and all native Americans would say, they are AMERICANS. Why would you call them "African American" when it was Africans that enslaved and sold their ancestors? This term is intended to create cognitive dissonance and sow confusion so stop using it.
@@EzeICE Coming of age as a slaver...nice. What trauma? Not killing or enslaving enough other people?
So spot on! We need more people like Chris speaking up about this as I'm sure most people who love movies, who love art, feel the same way but remain silent out of fear. I have loved movies passionately since I was 5 and have trained as an actor and writer because I wanted to be a part of the industry that has brought me so much joy. It's heart wrenching to see the turn the industry has taken. We need good WRITING first! It all stems from that. Make movies great again!
What are you even talking about? 2019 was one of the best years for cinema in decades and 2022 was amazing too. Did you even watch anything that came out this year? It was amazing film after amazing film.
In a prior age, it was "the customer was always right". Now it's "you'll have what we think is good for you. Now eat your bran."
He is always on point. What is sad is most of this just sounds like common sense, I mean probably 90% of people listening to this would have to agree, but the reality in Hollywood is some big twisted mess where everyone lies to each other right up until the point the project loses tons of money then they probably all pretend that's also the audience's fault.
Many such cases in recent years.
common sense is a mythological concept nowadays
It amazes me how clear sir Chris gore is about his taste in movies and about life in general . That's experience. Thanku for sharing his thoughts FC, it's a great lesson to think upon.
The greatest advancement in Cinema both in popularity and artistry was in the 1930's and the 1940's. A score of years where people were looking for an escape from the mundane bone crushing horrors of the depression and WWII.
The 30's and 40's? Why is that the greatest advancement in artistry? like do you have examples of films from that time period that advanced the artistry of film, and why?
@@danculbert6349 Spellbound for it's effects. You've never heard of Film Noir I'm guessing. Go watch some of the 200+ Noir movies and you will have an appreciation for the classics.
I could listen to Chris Gore for days on end!
I wouldn't consider Thelma and Louise "woke" either. It was a great movie with two cool characters, a great story, good humor, sweet action, and that wicked ending. I've watched it many times.
It wasn't woke...It was badass!
The thing is.. if that was released today there is a high chance it would be labelled 'woke' by a vocal minority. Literally any movie that doesn't feature a straight white male as the lead is labelled 'woke' by someone. It's just a dumb word used by idiots to dismiss things, often applying a context that doesn't exist.
Please give me 3 examples of woke movies
Thank you Chris for talking about this, you speak from my heart and soul.
Well said Chris. We're starting to get enough historical perspective to be able to make lucid commentary like this. I know many people have been already, but it's with greater clarity now. Finally we're starting to see some of this crap in the rear view window instead of looming on the horizon although there is still plenty of that too.
Yes I'm glad of that too. it seems like big studios like Disney have been losing over and over and over, and maybe they are finally getting tired of losing. I mean Disney had something like 10 different sub par series, with disappointing audience that dropped every episode, and then Eternals, Thor 4, and Lightyear were huge bombs. Andor the Star Wars show I thought was really good but that's it
“…whatever their horrific and annoying opinion is.”
The best possible description of social media mob opinions.
The more I watch Chris Gore, the more I like him (and I have been watching him since old G4). He is a breath of fresh air
Been a fan of Chris since AOTS I miss those good G4/TechTV/ZDTV day's. I knew it was done when it tried to be Esquire network. I love that he is being so honest
The difference is that the message was about having conversations, and it's now an order about how you should view something. Art is at most powerful moments when it inspires a conversations about otherwise taboo subjects.
Thank you for continuing to bring Chris back. He's a thoughtful guy with sensible things to say. Being level-headed never seemed revolutionary before, but here we are...
I’m so proud of you guys and so encouraged by the way the tide is turning, that you can have professionals on here that can publicly call out this horrific woke culture without fear of having their lives destroyed for the crime of having a different opinion. Bravo!!!!
Chris Gore is the man! Always insightful!
Completely agree, he spits knowledge like there's no tomorrow.
The thing that bothers me the most is when this type of behavior causes their works to fail (usually coupled with other issues) rather than take responsibility, admit the problems forthright, and make changes accordingly...They lash out at the one group of people they shouldn't...their consumer demographic.
Please give Chris an open invitation to keep coming back and making these types of videos. I just love listening to his rants. He’s spot on.
"The mob on social media is very vocal, but it's not your core customer." Damn. Yep. That right there.
No lies detected in this!
Thank god for Chris Gore, one of the brave voices that won’t hide
Never stop Chris. You are amazing. I would love to see a scientific double blind viewer experiment to see if some of your ideas can be tested.
Chris is always on point!!!
Preach, Chris!
Man I miss the excitement of going to the movies… 😢
The movie "A Silent Voice" ("聲の形") inspires me to be a better person. It does not preach and it shows the flaws and strengths of all of characters in the story - none of them are paragons of virtue and none of them are absolute evil. They are simply humans navigating though uncertain waters. Its not the most spectacular movie but it is a good modern example of how to make a non-woke movie with a nice message.
Most of the time movies that people call ''woke'' aren't even woke at all. The recent Star Wars trilogy isn't great, but it's also not ''woke'' at all. Like why is it woke? Because they cast some black and asian people? 😂😂😂
If Thelma and Louise was made today they wouldn’t have died at the end. They would have killed all the cops and then married each other at the end.
Thank you Chris Gore for talking sense!!
PREACH!!
Chris is always so fucking on point
“I’m still holding this elephant.”😂😂😂😂💀
Wow imagine a world where you are free to like or dislike something based on taste
social media ruins everything everytime
The crazy part is studios can just not log in and check what people are saying lol.
I really admire your your thought process and they way you break down what's lead to the absence of rational storytelling in most films today. But you also give credit to when it's being done well; so thank you for making these.
Fantastic video, thanks for the upload. Chris is bang on here with this.
Just love this channel. Might as well put my comment here, because a Chris Gore interview was a first vid for me here. The man has great insight and good points about the movie industry. But I think all of the guests carry golden nuggets with them - as an wannabe writer (two self published books and third one on the way) I love and cherish the tips from the pros. Altough most of them are screenwriters, many of the things still apply when writing books as well. Also the interviewer is just awesome, so calm but yet while speaking, manages to actually sound like she's really interested in what the guest has to say.
Third book on the way... sounds like you are a writer, not a wannabe writer. Our best to you and your work!
What I like about Gore's commentaries is that he says what needs to be said firmly and with both feeling and clear argument, while also doing it in a fairly moderate and amicable manner so as to not over-state his case or villify his target (as so many counter-woke commentaries do).
Great, right on point.
As a small time media fan I’d love to just have a conversation with with this dude, It’d be so fulfilling for me! Such logic on display on a social media platform is so refreshing.
I agree with Chris. His words on identifying with characters based on their personality vs. their appearance hit a nerve with me. I was always a fan of foreign films with one of my favourite directors being Akira Kurosawa. I looked nothing like the characters in Ran, Yojimbo, Seven Samurai, Rashomon, etc., but was able to identify with them. No different than the hero Ripley in Alien/Aliens.
If Alien/Aliens came out today, im sure Chris would be with the crowd calling it woke for having a woman as the main protagonist
@@-Ryodan based on many of the interviews with Chris, I would disagree with your comment. Strong women can be written into scripts, but the problem is poor script writing these days. Chris said something which made sense. Many of the older movies had writers which wrote from life experiences. Most movies or T.V. shows today are written by individuals whose only experience is watching other movies. They lack the real experiences, which make characters that are difficult to relate to.
A good example is the Lord of Rings, where Peter Jackson stayed true to Tolkien. Tolkien wrote his books after his experiences in the Trenches of WW1 and during WW2.
While the new writers of the Rings of Power stated that they would 're-imagine' what Tolkien ''might' have thought.
Huge difference between the two and why one worked and the other did not.
@@nicolast.davinci1561 Okay but that's an entirely different issue of not understanding the source material. Peter Jackson also re-imagined what Tolkien might have have thought when he made the Hobbit trilogy and expanded a small book of mainly songs and poetry into a 9 hour film saga. Also it's incredibly naive to say that newer filmakers don't have any real world experiences when the indie and foreign film scene has boomed and its even more naive to imply that older directors dont get a lot of inspiration from other movies, look at Scorsese, Tarantino or Edgar Wright who all are self admitted cinephiles and their love of cinema is what makes them extremely talented and influential directors
@@-Ryodan His main complaint is the lecturing in films and identity politics, not really present in Alien/s.
@@-Ryodan funny how you referred to my comments as naive on multiple occasions, but your lack of reading comprehension was your error.
It is not the fact that Cinephiles cannot make great movies. I stated that people who are ONLY Cinephiles are less likely to make great movies. You need real life experiences to draw on to make your characters more realistic. Being a Cinephile in addition to real life experiences can add to your skill.
Not to mention there were many great movies to draw on for people like Scorsese or Tarantino, which are fewer in current times.
On your point of the Hobbit trilogy, did Jackson 're-imagine' or did he just extend some of the scenes?
Regardless, I think that the Hobbit movies missed the mark when compared with the Lord of the Rings.
How does the foreign and Indie scene relate to life experiences of directors?
Straight Out of Compton was a solid movie. Box office of over $250M with a budget of $56M :)
I need to see it
I haven't seen it and don't want to, yet, I hate it just by the title.
It's bullshit though, the plot was ripped off from an old Chris Rock film called CB4. Even the main song is just a straight copycat.
@@minbari73 You should really give it a chance. If you can see beyond the rap/gangster music plot. It’s a good story and mainly true. It’s a part of history in regards to civil rights and racism. The screen writer did a very good job on this one. The movie is also about friendship. It’s good for awareness.
Chris is like the only thing person in folk who understands why modern film has been on the steady downturn
Very well stated. My feelings exactly! God bless Chris!
I remember somewhere about 15-20 years ago, a guy who worked on a film(I don't remember which film) went off on a message board. About how much the audience sucked because they didn't like the film he worked on. The memory of this guy came back when I saw these apparent professional moviemakers insulting the audience. It's one thing in the company of your coworkers(not cool but...). But publicly it just make the person complaining look like a jerk.
All I was thinking was this guy must have moved up the ranks over the years. Inspired many others to what we have today.
That's a big problem now -- the hubris of the writers and creators. They respond to any constructive criticism with either arrogance or hysteria.
@@1Gr8Editrix constricive*
@@boxinabox6608 They view it as constrictive, which it probably is. But good editing and feedback means you can't simply write anything you want. (Especially on someone else's time & dime.)
@@1Gr8Editrix so now we're censoring movies? I guess we could also come up with a cool slogan such as:
War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength
@@boxinabox6608 Who's censoring who? Sounds like a lot of that is coming from these left-wingers, who want to suppress anything they disagree with. This doesn't mean I support extreme-right jingoism, either. But given the predominantly liberal slant of Hollywood, I would say the fault lies more in that direction.
Constructive -- sorry, constrictive -- criticism is not censorship. Although there is a little bit involved, in terms of deciding what is appropriate according to context. Notice I write context, not content. Not everything can be included within a certain culture, era, milieu. And not everyone speaks a certain way. This does not mean racism/sexism (fill in the blank). It just means the ways of the world, which must be honored, even within fiction.
As an editor (as well as writer) I have to be in tune to nuances, as well as logic, within a story. Professionalism involves listening to advice or criticism, where necessary. These fragile egos who respond with either arrogance or abuse to anything contrary to their narrative or self-image should not be writing, period. Especially when they are being paid for it.
If you want to do your own thing, fine. But do it on your own time and dime. And don't complain if it fails to attract readers or viewers. I don't expect everyone to like my work. But if nobody likes it, then I'd better look within myself. Sadly, insight seems to be lacking among the younger generation. They can't take criticism, but they know how to dish it out.
I'm mixed latino-asian guy, I had a habit to go the theaters every month, and not even once I felt the need to be represented, in any movie. Movies in the theaters were never pricey to me, even if you compare to watching at home, because they were like an "event" to me.
Even the Streaming services are infested with politics and ideology nowadays. I gave up with modern entertainment, to be honest. I'm simply having a different hobby.
Okay but like..Let's say a new blockbuster action movie comes out..and the main character is a mixed latino-asian guy. Tell me how this is a bad thing
@@danculbert6349 It's not about the action, it's about the intention behind the action. If it is placed a mixed latino-asian character for the simple sake of "representation" instead of this fact contributing to the plot, there's no point to advertise or signal your supposedly representation. It's actually counter-producent and disregards the actual potential this background/characteristic holds.
@@fernandinho6633 Contributing to the plot? How does the race of the main character contribute to the plot? Or why should it? Is there a plot reason behind the race of John Conners in Terminator 2? Your logic is so weird
@@danculbert6349 It's not me who's supposed to answer those questions, it's the companies and journals that make ethnicity, sexual orientation or gender identity of a character such a big deal. Is the movie production, company or media making a fuss regarding John Conners' ethnicity for virtue signaling intentions? If not, then who cares. If so, how's his ethnicity relevant to make articles and merchandise about it?
Hey Chris, “Woke” was turned into a pejorative term precisely because there was fear of a critical mass becoming conscious of history, race-class dynamics & systemic oppression. Love how they talk about identity politics, which is code for POC, ignoring that "white identity politics" is the norm and has always been from the beginning of Hollywood. Also. appreciated the interviewer turning the tables on him in the latter half of the interview, exposing the ridiculousness of his take.
Always enjoy Chris’ perspective:)
This guy is my reason to follow this channel.
If the movie stinks, just don't go.
- Jay Sherman
Absolutely straightforward.
Very well said. Thank you.
It took me so long to understand the "mob" meant the masses and not the Five Families of New York
I guarantee you movies would be infinitely more entertaining if they were made for the likes of la costra nostra as opposed to checking boxes for twitter freaks.
Maybe it's more the kind of mob that the recent host of SNL was referring to.
@@badmen1550 ?
@@unbrokn001 Sure
There was a time where a character who was written with the main purpose of being relatable was actually a bad thing. It was called a Self Insert. It was a common trope of young adult novels and everyone mocked them for it. They were bland and uninteresting because they were supposed to make teenage girls go "omg that could be me" and if they had actual personalities, not everyone would be able to put themselves in their place.
Now it's required for all characters to be like that. It doesn't matter what minority you slap onto them. They are all Twilight Bellas now.
Being relatable isn't a bad thing if the character actually has flaws that make them more interesting. There is nothing more insufferable than a perfect "Mary Sue" character.
"They're all Twilight Bellas now" lmao I will be using this from now on
As much as Hollywood dislikes this, constantly telling men they are terrible on every single front will not make them watch more of these movies... The main common denominator between all of them is that they're actually good movies, and aren't lecturing...
Chris Gore, common sense, a movie knowledge way beyond most people and clear concise examples to back his argument. I am always happy to hear his opinions.
I agree about the problem with "woke" movies in the modern times being too preachy about the message. There are tons of movies with strong, politically motivated messages, but a message doesn't have to be delivered with sanctimony. I've watched many movies that had political messages that I disagreed with, but still thoroughly enjoyed because they were well made movies. And there's nothing wrong with enjoying a movie whose message you don't 100% agree with, but there's a lot of people on social media who fail to separate themselves from their political views, and a disagreement with their politics ends up being treated as an attack on their person.
Right or they leave no room for interpretation or to let the audience think about a complex social/political issue. Its all "we're right, you're wrong, and if you don't agree then you're the problem."
Yes!
I don't agree with Tolkien's idea of general decay, that everything that came before is necessarily better than what comes after... but I still strongly respect his world and ideas.
The feeling of being “not welcome” pervades way too much these days. I disengaged from so much that I once loved over the past five years or so because the creators literally told me that they don’t want me around. It hurts to have franchises that you monetarily supported for decades shun you.
The mistake being made is that it's not a mistake. This is exactly what the studios want.
Preach. Love his interviews
Instead of listening to these individuals who don’t support their business models? They should be pandering to long time fans such as myself and many others who actually buy their products. lol
Chris Gore is the voice of reason in these crazy times.
Chris Gore is always on point.
So much sense spoken in 12 minutes! I agree 100% - as Chris was speaking it matched my own thought process to the letter -
Watched a few classic "everyman" stories recently from the classics list. Most of them are about ordinary folk in interesting, and often extraordinary situations. Most of Rocky is about how his life is kind of on the rocks, and he gets his one big chance. Alien is about a bunch of (space) truckers. Etc. I don't think the current scriptwriters or Hollywood execs have a grasp basic human connections and psychology.
And EVERYONE needs to stop listening to Twitter!
The lead characters in the Woman king were not good people.
I’m so glad the movie Glory was mentioned, even if just in passing. It’s one of the most underrated war movies of all time. I saw it when it came out when my 8th grade US history teacher, Mr Harrison, showed it to all of his classes. Growing up as a fairly privileged white kid, the character who was most like me from a superficial level, was the one played by Matthew Broderick. However, the character I most related to on a purely human level was that of Thomas because both of us were fairly meek but deep down each of us wished to be better/stronger men. Over the hour and a half the film ran, I grew to love that character, and at the end of the movie(spoiler alert) when Thomas was the soldier who stepped up to carry the flag, I balled my eyes out as hard as I ever have in a movie. The point I’m trying to make is that relatability is more important than representation. I didn’t need Thomas to look like me for me to feel for him and root for him. My connection to Thomas went much deeper than our skin colors.
YES! This puts into words exactly what I've been feeling about movies over the last few years. Well said, sir.