After a sunday service we visited during our holidays some years ago my husband was allowed to play a little piece at this organ. He was so touched, humble and happy.
I find it fascinating that the layout of the keyboard has more or less been unchanged for all this time. If someone came from 1442 they would probably not know how to use anything but a spoon and an organ.
The Rysum/Kiedrich and Sion organs are the oldest gothic playable organs which have survived, where the original structure is recognizable. The Ostönnen organ is a very interesting and beautiful instrument, it certainly has gothic pieces, but it has been modified so much, that it is now a baroque organ with some fragments from gothic age. The original structure from the Ostönnen is (unfortunately) no longer present. Even the original position of the keyboard of the Ostönnen organ is unknown. The Sion organ in Switzerland is much smaller, but it is the organ which has the most original texture. The case is original, the painting is original, even the gold leaf coating of the case is original. The original windchest is lost, because it has been modified from "Blockwerk" to single stops, but two registers contain pipework from gothic age. The date of 1435 from the Sion organ is set, because there are documents for the money of the painter who painted the winged doors in 1435. The organ itself may be one or two years older. But even the Sion organ may not hold the title as oldest playable organ forever, once there have been plans to restore the ancient Roman hydraulis water organ found in Aquincum.
👍👌👏 Oh WOW, simply fantastic! Almost 600 !!! years old and sounding good and strong. Very impressive. Thanks a lot for playing explaining recording editing uploading and sharing. Best regards luck and health in particular.
@@westphalenglocke9491 False. @Kim C is correct - the oldest playable organ in the world is found in the fortress church of Sion, Switzerland. It was built in 1390.
The case is older but the sounding concept is not nearly the same as in this instrument. The really oldest playable organ worldwide stands maybe in Ostönnen near Soest in Westfalia (GER).
I agree with you about the trumpet stop, what a lovely dirty sound. This organ as a whole has a more "in your face" like sound, and I prefer the sound of such old instruments over the more polished sound of late organs.
It's funny how we accept the clatter of the mechanical linkage as part of the organ's personality...Even back in 1442 people appreciated the awesomeness of the pipe organ...Not trying to be funny, but I've always wondered where the forced air came from...Thank you for showing us the wonder old instrument.
Well, oldest pipe organ which were in medieval era were built in Cathedral of Zagreb in 1359, but they doesn't exist anymore. Currently oldest pipe organ in Croatia are built in 1644 for ex-Jesuit church, now cathedral of Warasd(Varaždin). They are relocated in 1780 in St. Florian's Church in same town
The Rysum/Kiedrich and Sion organs are the oldest gothic playable organs which have survived, where the original structure is recognizable. The Ostönnen organ is a very interesting and beautiful instrument, it certainly has gothic pieces, but it has been modified so much, that it is now a baroque organ with some fragments from gothic age. The original structure from the Ostönnen is (unfortunately) no longer present. Even the original position of the keyboard of the Ostönnen organ is unknown. The Sion organ in Switzerland is much smaller, but it is the organ which has the most original texture. The case is original, the painting is original, even the gold leaf coating of the case is original. The original windchest is lost, because it has been modified from "Blockwerk" to single stops, but two registers contain pipework from gothic age. The date of 1435 from the Sion organ is set, because there are documents for the money of the painter who painted the winged doors in 1435. The organ itself may be one or two years older. But even the Sion organ may not hold the title as oldest playable organ forever, once there have been plans to restore the ancient Roman hydraulis water organ found in Aquincum.
Dieses Instrument ist einfach nur faszinierend! Vor ein paar Monaten hatte ich zuletzt die Gelegenheit, auf dieser Orgel spielen zu dürfen. Es ist erstaunlich, dass man diesen Raum mit "nur" 7 Registern klanglich komplett ausfüllen kann. Mir gefällt in diesem Video die kurzweilige Darstellung der Register, sowohl teilweise einzeln als auch in Kombinationen! Was den Titel der ältesten (spielbaren) Orgel der Welt betrifft, so gebührt dieser, wie ich finde, nicht Sion, wie hier in den Kommentaren häufig zu lesen ist. An der Orgel in Sion sind lediglich das Gehäuse sowie 2 Register vollständig erhalten. Dazu kommen noch ein paar umgearbeitete gotische Pfeifen in verschiedenen Registern. Da man dort bei der letzten Restaurierung auch eine gleichstufige Stimmung legte, ist der klangliche Eindruck der Sioner Orgel, wie man sie heute hört, definitiv verfälscht und somit nicht authentisch. Kiedrich fällt sowieso aus dem Rahmen, da es sich hier ähnlich verhält wie in Sion. Die Orgel in Ostönnen hingegen birgt noch heute ein paar Geheimnisse. Wenn die Windlade dort tatsächlich um 1425 / 1430 hergestellt worden sein soll, dann müsste es sich hierbei ja um ein Blockwerk bzw. maximal um ein "registrierbares" Blockwerk wie einst in Bartenstein handeln. Allerdings ist die Lade in Ostönnen eine reine Schleiflade. Bislang habe ich auch nirgends gelesen, dass es sich dort zumindest um eine umgearbeitete Blockwerkslade handelt... Insofern ist hier Vorsicht mit der Datierung geboten! Wenn jemand diesbezüglich weiterführende Informationen hat, lasse ich mich diesbezüglich gerne korrigieren. Auch der klangliche Gesamteindruck der Orgel erinnert eher an ein Instrument der Spätrenaissance bzw. des Barock. Aber vielleicht war das ja auch schon in gotischer Zeit so gewünscht? In Rysum sind noch vier Register vollständig erhalten, wovon jedoch das Gedackt im 18.Jahrhundert umgearbeitet wurde und somit eher dem klanglichen Ideal des Barock entspricht. Windlade, Trakturen und auch der Balg sind natürlich nicht mehr original. Immerhin haben Ahrend & Brunzema bei der letzten Restaurierung eine rein mitteltönige Stimmung gelegt. Das macht den Klangeindruck, den man sich bei einer gotischen Orgel entsprechend wünscht, noch viel authentischer, wie ich finde. Dennoch ist es schwierig, aus diesen vier Kandidaten denjenigen zu wählen, dem der Titel "älteste spielbare Orgel der Welt" gebührt. Wenn es um die gesamte Authentizität geht, so scheint mir doch die Orgel in Rysum dafür am ehesten in Frage zu kommen. Aber das ist natürlich auch ein Stück weit eine persönliche Geschmacksfrage. Wenn jemand Sion oder Kiedrich oder Ostönnen für diesen Titel favorisiert, dann ist das wohl auch in Ordnung... :-)
Ja, die Rysum/Kiedrich/Sion Orgeln sind die ältesten erhalten gebliebenen gotischen Orgeln. Die Sion Orgel ist seit Sommer 2019 übrigens wieder mitteltönig gestimmt, so dass gotische Orgelmusik besser wiedergegeben werden kann als nach der letzten Restauration von 1954 wo die Orgel gleichstufig temperiert gestimmt worden war. Die Ostönnen Orgel ist ein sehr interessantes und schönes Stück, jedoch ist sie so stark umgebaut und abgeändert worden, dass die ursprüngliche Konzeption der Orgel nicht mehr nachvollzogen werden kann. Beispielsweise die originale Position des Spieltisches kann nicht mehr zweifelsfrei rekonstruiert werden. Aus diesem Grund ist die Ostönnen Orgel eine Barockorgel geworden mit einigen gotischen Fragmenten, klanglich aber sehr interessant. Eine Orgel die man normalerweise bei dieser Gruppe der ältesten drei nicht auf dem Schirm hat ist die der Grote Kerk in Oosthuizen NL. Diese Orgel ist aus dem Jahre 1521, enthält aber einiges an Pfeifenwerk von noch älteren Orgeln und hat einen wunderschönen Klang! Die Valeria Orgel in Sion ist nach wie vor die gotische Orgel mit der meisten und am besten erhaltenen gotischen Substanz. Das Gehäuse ist original erhalten, sogar die Malerei ist original erhalten, und ganz speziell sind sogar die Blattvergoldungen der Schnitzereien noch original, ebenso wie die Malerei der Flügeltüren innen und aussen. Bei der Valeriaorgel in Sion kann die originale Konzeption des Originalzustandes weitestgehend zurück verfolgt werden. Sogar die Position der ursprünglichen Klaviatur ist auf der Vorderseite als ausgespantes Holzbrett leicht unterhalb der jetzigen heute noch zu erkennen. Die originale Wellatur konnte mit einem Röntgenbild ebenfalls sichtbar gemacht werden. Die dendrochronologische Analyse der verwendeten Hölzer ergab einen Zeitpunkt des Fällens der Bäume von frühestens 1350 und spätestens 1400. Die momentan gültige Datierung der Valeriaorgel mit dem Jahr 1435 kam daher zustande, dass in den Akten des Domkapitels eine Rechnung datiert mit 1435 für die Bezahlung des Malers der die Flügeltüren bemalte gefunden wurde. Die Orgel selber ist wohl noch ein bis zwei Jahre älter. Zuerst wurde sicher die Orgel fertig gestellt, ehe dann der Maler die Flügeltüren bemalen konnte. Ob die Valeriaorgel den Titel als älteste spielbare Orgel für ewig behalten darf ist fraglich, vor einiger Zeit gab es zumindest Pläne die Relikte des römischen Hydraulis von Aquincum wieder spielbar zu machen.
Danke, for that summary. Very helpful context. Can you imagine the impact such an instrument would have had in 1442? It's a window into our shared ancestors' past.
They were the synthesizers of their day. Later, two-manual harpsichords with more than one set of plectra (at different places along the string), and a 'palm-muting' device were another type of 'synthesizer' for their day.
Another marvelous jewel, this one late-medieval! The trumpet stop sounds completely different from the Baroque, Classic, Romantic, Symphonic, and Contemporary ones. Thanks again, Balint!
I have an image of Bach playing that instrument. It still captures the tonals of the organ when in was built which is so different to today. Those trumpets definately trumpets and definately have all the lovely trumpet TONAL qualities you would expect. Many organs dont come close to getting this sound so close but this one does. Please out more pieces up here so we can listen to the richness of the beautifull instrument in its mature age and beauty.
It is generally agreed upon that the world's oldest playable pipe organ is located in the Basilica of Valère in Sion, Switzerland. Built around 1435, most of the case is original, but only 12 pipes are original, as the rest have been replaced during restorations. ..................
Fascinating. I thought that the oldest playable organ in the world was in Fortress Cathedral in Sion, Switzerland. Thought to have been built somewhere between the 1390's and 1430's.
Technically speaking yes. This organ was built in the mid 1400s, so slightly less older than the Sion organ. The Sion organ was added on to many times and most pipes were replaced in the baroque era so it could play the music of the time. This organ, however, was given more stops and added on the the early 1500s. The trumpet stop and some others were taken out overtime until the 1950s when the organ was restored to its 1513 condition. So it is a matter of opinion which is “older”. One was built earlier and has mainly recent(ish) parts. One was built slightly later but is at its older condition. Hope this helped! (Sources: books, Wikipedia, Diane Bish’s show)
In Sion dates only the case from 1435, no winchest, not many pipes. The most parts come frome the years about 1688, so it’s a baroque instrument, not a medieval. de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgel_der_Basilique_de_Val%C3%A8re
@@matttheoddmusician2208 On supposa, pendant fort longtemps, que l'orgue réputé comme le plus ancien jouable au monde datait de 1390, mais il n'existe aucun document historique mentionnant l'utilisation d'un orgue à Valère avant 1433. Aujourd'hui, on estime que l'instrument fut édifié vers 1435. www.musiqueorguequebec.ca/orgues/suisse/sionndv.html
Actually, there is an even older organ in Ostonnen. In terms of how many pipes are from the medieval era, it *is* the oldest organ in the world they replaced the case tho
Sad? It is tragically catastrophic and for most of Europa. There were other instances of historic vandalism as well. The loss, for example, of many of England's fine organs during the puritan era on Cromwell's watch.
Thank you for sharing you knowledge and talent. What pleasure to hear sounds which were also heard so many centuries ago. The sound is delicious...especially that wonderfully reedy crumhorn / trumpet stop.
Here is the question.... the organ is quite sophisticated which leads to there being an earlier development of organs. There was one in Old Windsor UK I heard and wonder if anyone else knows about it.... I studied at Westminster Choir College in Princeton.
Невероятно, живое Средневековье. Звук необыкновенный, в современных такого не слышал. (Incredible, living Middle Ages. The sound is extraordinary, I have never heard anything like it in modern ones.)
Thanks for the demonstration. I have never heard of this organ, and it would be good to have a video which shows the case, and possibly the interior, together with some information about its history, the number of times it has been rebuilt and altered, and so on.
There was a jubilee publication for the 555th birthday of this organ. You can find it here: www.orgel-information.de/Orgeln-Deutschland/R/ru-rz/Rysum/Kirche/Festschrift_2012.pdf
Heh, another "oldest pipe organ", I know already at least 3 oldest organs in Germany :-). But it has for sure really wonderful sound, so thank you for sharing such a nice music :-). How is it tuned, is it meantone?
But in Sion are only 2 stops completly original, in Rysum 4. The organ from Ostönnen is even older than the instrument in Sion, but it is also modified in the Barque era like the instrument in Sion.
The uploader chooses how to classify videos, not youtube. Comedy is the default - he probably didn't really care about its classification when it was uploaded.
This organ may have a later stop action, since Praetorius reports that the 1361 organ at Halberstadt had only a blockwerk. But apparently Gothic organs could have up to 50 ranks in the blockwerk, which would probably constitute the largest mixture ever.
Difficile poter stabilire quale sia il più antico organo ancora suonabile. Molto spesso è presente solo una piccolissima parte dei materiali originali, adattati a ricostruzioni e ampliamenti successivi. Ad esempio, a Sion solo tre dei sette registri presenti oggi conterrebbero materiali che datano della primitiva costruzione dello strumento e, per di più, si tratta di file di canne aumentate di estensione in seguito. Per non parlare della originaria intonazione e accordatura che potrebbe essere state modificate per meglio adattarsi agli ampliamenti successivi.
One day you have to get to the Isnard organ in St. Maximin. This organ was fun to listen to. I liked the trumpet as well. But there are organs with far more powerful reeds!
Can you you believe that Rysum is actually a district of the City of Krummhörn (which sounds like « cromorne », another instrument that has given its name to a organ stop), sitting on the coast of the North Sea, opposite the Netherlands ? Now the organ in Sion (Notre-Dame-de-Vallère), Switzerland, is said to be slightly older (1435). Obviously, this video shows an organ that looks (and sounds) rearranged many a time. It even sounds « baroque », NOT medieval …
I've been there, too. It was quite fascinating. Personally, it doesn't really matter to me if it is from 1390 or 1437, that is still pretty damn old. Imagine how many people have played that organ in 600+ years. WOW!
I thought that the Sion organ was older. Well, it's within a half century, so no matter. I have the Guy Bovet recording of some music from it. However, I do like the sound of this instrument better. Anyone want to turn me on to contemporary music (1430s-1440s) played on this instrument? Thanks!
Probably the most belated reply on the planet, but I just couldn't resist. There is an album recently released with music roughly contemporary to the organ (1400-1500) called "A late Medieval Mass on the Rysum Organ".
Isn't the one in Sion Switzerland older? It's touted as the world's oldest playable organ built in the late 1300's. No matter, I love ancient cathedral organs!
When Columbus left for India, this organ was already 50 years old.
The Byzantine Empire still existed!
@@kooksonboards That is, the Roman Empire ;)
After a sunday service we visited during our holidays some years ago my husband was allowed to play a little piece at this organ. He was so touched, humble and happy.
Wow! That trumpet sounds like some crazy wavetable synth. Such a beautifully nasty sound, I involuntarily made a stank face when I heard it.
0:00 Introduction/Praestant 8'
0:28 Praestant 8' + Octave 4'
0:50 Praestant 8' + Octave 4' + Octave 2'
1:21 Praestant 8' + Octave 4' and 2' + Mixtur III-IV
1:39 Gedackt 8'
2:10 Gedackt 8' + Octave 4' + Sesquialtera II
2:35 Trompete 8'
Splendid!
I find it fascinating that the layout of the keyboard has more or less been unchanged for all this time. If someone came from 1442 they would probably not know how to use anything but a spoon and an organ.
Actually, there were a few different keyboard layouts at that time. On some instruments a few accidentals (black keys) were missing.
Although, in late medieval times, the spoon was mostly used to gouge out the eyes of heretics.....seriously, look it up!
And… their mind, perhaps better than most people do today.
+Joe Cleveland, Dont forget the leeches.
I doubt it.
I cannot fully express how in these parlous times, the knowledge that a musician and artist like this man is in being cheers me.
The Rysum/Kiedrich and Sion organs are the oldest gothic playable organs which have survived, where the original structure is recognizable. The Ostönnen organ is a very interesting and beautiful instrument, it certainly has gothic pieces, but it has been modified so much, that it is now a baroque organ with some fragments from gothic age. The original structure from the Ostönnen is (unfortunately) no longer present. Even the original position of the keyboard of the Ostönnen organ is unknown. The Sion organ in Switzerland is much smaller, but it is the organ which has the most original texture. The case is original, the painting is original, even the gold leaf coating of the case is original. The original windchest is lost, because it has been modified from "Blockwerk" to single stops, but two registers contain pipework from gothic age. The date of 1435 from the Sion organ is set, because there are documents for the money of the painter who painted the winged doors in 1435. The organ itself may be one or two years older. But even the Sion organ may not hold the title as oldest playable organ forever, once there have been plans to restore the ancient Roman hydraulis water organ found in Aquincum.
For me this organ is special because 4 of the 7 stops are completely original. As far as I know, the Sion organ does not have so many original stops.
👍👌👏 Oh WOW, simply fantastic! Almost 600 !!! years old and sounding good and strong. Very impressive. Thanks a lot for playing explaining recording editing uploading and sharing.
Best regards luck and health in particular.
That trumpet stop sounds just like crumhorns.
The last word summarizes it all: "amazing!". Besides that, Balint Karosi is an extraordinary organist. I like his videos very much.
Wonderful, it must be such a privilige to accompany worship with this organ!
Sion is older... nonetheless I love these ancient instruments! Stunning!!!!
Yes. I think youre right 👍
@Dick Thick'em sorry for beeing a smartass too, but the organ in Ostönnen in Westfalia in Germany is the oldest in the world, built around 1425-30.
@@westphalenglocke9491 False. @Kim C is correct - the oldest playable organ in the world is found in the fortress church of Sion, Switzerland. It was built in 1390.
@@shaneduyvenedewit5197 The structure was built in 1390's, but the flutes are built in 1400's-1435.
The case is older but the sounding concept is not nearly the same as in this instrument. The really oldest playable organ worldwide stands maybe in Ostönnen near Soest in Westfalia (GER).
What a delightful Trumpet 8 stop that is indeed.
I agree with you about the trumpet stop, what a lovely dirty sound.
This organ as a whole has a more "in your face" like sound, and I prefer the sound of such old instruments over the more polished sound of late organs.
Modern organs are brighter and more metallic sounding.
Ez rendkívűl csodálatos ez a hangszer! Isten áldjon a rajta való Reneszánsz beütésű dallamokért! Áldást békességet! Soli Deo Gloria!
Trumpet sounds like a medieval regal.
Even after so many centuries it sounds so beautiful
It's funny how we accept the clatter of the mechanical linkage as part of the organ's personality...Even back in 1442 people appreciated the awesomeness of the pipe organ...Not trying to be funny, but I've always wondered where the forced air came from...Thank you for showing us the wonder old instrument.
just a short information: the oldest organ is in the small village of Ostönnen in Westfalia, build around the years 1425.
Well, oldest pipe organ which were in medieval era were built in Cathedral of Zagreb in 1359, but they doesn't exist anymore. Currently oldest pipe organ in Croatia are built in 1644 for ex-Jesuit church, now cathedral of Warasd(Varaždin). They are relocated in 1780 in St. Florian's Church in same town
The Rysum/Kiedrich and Sion organs are the oldest gothic playable organs which have survived, where the original structure is recognizable. The Ostönnen organ is a very interesting and beautiful instrument, it certainly has gothic pieces, but it has been modified so much, that it is now a baroque organ with some fragments from gothic age. The original structure from the Ostönnen is (unfortunately) no longer present. Even the original position of the keyboard of the Ostönnen organ is unknown. The Sion organ in Switzerland is much smaller, but it is the organ which has the most original texture. The case is original, the painting is original, even the gold leaf coating of the case is original. The original windchest is lost, because it has been modified from "Blockwerk" to single stops, but two registers contain pipework from gothic age. The date of 1435 from the Sion organ is set, because there are documents for the money of the painter who painted the winged doors in 1435. The organ itself may be one or two years older. But even the Sion organ may not hold the title as oldest playable organ forever, once there have been plans to restore the ancient Roman hydraulis water organ found in Aquincum.
Dieses Instrument ist einfach nur faszinierend! Vor ein paar Monaten hatte ich zuletzt die Gelegenheit, auf dieser Orgel spielen zu dürfen. Es ist erstaunlich, dass man diesen Raum mit "nur" 7 Registern klanglich komplett ausfüllen kann. Mir gefällt in diesem Video die kurzweilige Darstellung der Register, sowohl teilweise einzeln als auch in Kombinationen!
Was den Titel der ältesten (spielbaren) Orgel der Welt betrifft, so gebührt dieser, wie ich finde, nicht Sion, wie hier in den Kommentaren häufig zu lesen ist. An der Orgel in Sion sind lediglich das Gehäuse sowie 2 Register vollständig erhalten. Dazu kommen noch ein paar umgearbeitete gotische Pfeifen in verschiedenen Registern. Da man dort bei der letzten Restaurierung auch eine gleichstufige Stimmung legte, ist der klangliche Eindruck der Sioner Orgel, wie man sie heute hört, definitiv verfälscht und somit nicht authentisch. Kiedrich fällt sowieso aus dem Rahmen, da es sich hier ähnlich verhält wie in Sion. Die Orgel in Ostönnen hingegen birgt noch heute ein paar Geheimnisse. Wenn die Windlade dort tatsächlich um 1425 / 1430 hergestellt worden sein soll, dann müsste es sich hierbei ja um ein Blockwerk bzw. maximal um ein "registrierbares" Blockwerk wie einst in Bartenstein handeln. Allerdings ist die Lade in Ostönnen eine reine Schleiflade. Bislang habe ich auch nirgends gelesen, dass es sich dort zumindest um eine umgearbeitete Blockwerkslade handelt... Insofern ist hier Vorsicht mit der Datierung geboten! Wenn jemand diesbezüglich weiterführende Informationen hat, lasse ich mich diesbezüglich gerne korrigieren. Auch der klangliche Gesamteindruck der Orgel erinnert eher an ein Instrument der Spätrenaissance bzw. des Barock. Aber vielleicht war das ja auch schon in gotischer Zeit so gewünscht? In Rysum sind noch vier Register vollständig erhalten, wovon jedoch das Gedackt im 18.Jahrhundert umgearbeitet wurde und somit eher dem klanglichen Ideal des Barock entspricht. Windlade, Trakturen und auch der Balg sind natürlich nicht mehr original. Immerhin haben Ahrend & Brunzema bei der letzten Restaurierung eine rein mitteltönige Stimmung gelegt. Das macht den Klangeindruck, den man sich bei einer gotischen Orgel entsprechend wünscht, noch viel authentischer, wie ich finde. Dennoch ist es schwierig, aus diesen vier Kandidaten denjenigen zu wählen, dem der Titel "älteste spielbare Orgel der Welt" gebührt. Wenn es um die gesamte Authentizität geht, so scheint mir doch die Orgel in Rysum dafür am ehesten in Frage zu kommen. Aber das ist natürlich auch ein Stück weit eine persönliche Geschmacksfrage. Wenn jemand Sion oder Kiedrich oder Ostönnen für diesen Titel favorisiert, dann ist das wohl auch in Ordnung... :-)
Ja, die Rysum/Kiedrich/Sion Orgeln sind die ältesten erhalten gebliebenen gotischen Orgeln. Die Sion Orgel ist seit Sommer 2019 übrigens wieder mitteltönig gestimmt, so dass gotische Orgelmusik besser wiedergegeben werden kann als nach der letzten Restauration von 1954 wo die Orgel gleichstufig temperiert gestimmt worden war. Die Ostönnen Orgel ist ein sehr interessantes und schönes Stück, jedoch ist sie so stark umgebaut und abgeändert worden, dass die ursprüngliche Konzeption der Orgel nicht mehr nachvollzogen werden kann. Beispielsweise die originale Position des Spieltisches kann nicht mehr zweifelsfrei rekonstruiert werden. Aus diesem Grund ist die Ostönnen Orgel eine Barockorgel geworden mit einigen gotischen Fragmenten, klanglich aber sehr interessant. Eine Orgel die man normalerweise bei dieser Gruppe der ältesten drei nicht auf dem Schirm hat ist die der Grote Kerk in Oosthuizen NL. Diese Orgel ist aus dem Jahre 1521, enthält aber einiges an Pfeifenwerk von noch älteren Orgeln und hat einen wunderschönen Klang! Die Valeria Orgel in Sion ist nach wie vor die gotische Orgel mit der meisten und am besten erhaltenen gotischen Substanz. Das Gehäuse ist original erhalten, sogar die Malerei ist original erhalten, und ganz speziell sind sogar die Blattvergoldungen der Schnitzereien noch original, ebenso wie die Malerei der Flügeltüren innen und aussen. Bei der Valeriaorgel in Sion kann die originale Konzeption des Originalzustandes weitestgehend zurück verfolgt werden. Sogar die Position der ursprünglichen Klaviatur ist auf der Vorderseite als ausgespantes Holzbrett leicht unterhalb der jetzigen heute noch zu erkennen. Die originale Wellatur konnte mit einem Röntgenbild ebenfalls sichtbar gemacht werden. Die dendrochronologische Analyse der verwendeten Hölzer ergab einen Zeitpunkt des Fällens der Bäume von frühestens 1350 und spätestens 1400. Die momentan gültige Datierung der Valeriaorgel mit dem Jahr 1435 kam daher zustande, dass in den Akten des Domkapitels eine Rechnung datiert mit 1435 für die Bezahlung des Malers der die Flügeltüren bemalte gefunden wurde. Die Orgel selber ist wohl noch ein bis zwei Jahre älter. Zuerst wurde sicher die Orgel fertig gestellt, ehe dann der Maler die Flügeltüren bemalen konnte. Ob die Valeriaorgel den Titel als älteste spielbare Orgel für ewig behalten darf ist fraglich, vor einiger Zeit gab es zumindest Pläne die Relikte des römischen Hydraulis von Aquincum wieder spielbar zu machen.
Danke, for that summary. Very helpful context. Can you imagine the impact such an instrument would have had in 1442?
It's a window into our shared ancestors' past.
So beautiful! I’m sure it’s been renovated and additions were made but it’s still incredible to witness the past pike this.
They were the synthesizers of their day. Later, two-manual harpsichords with more than one set of plectra (at different places along the string), and a 'palm-muting' device were another type of 'synthesizer' for their day.
Another marvelous jewel, this one late-medieval! The trumpet stop sounds completely different from the Baroque, Classic, Romantic, Symphonic, and Contemporary ones. Thanks again, Balint!
None of it is original though
I have an image of Bach playing that instrument. It still captures the tonals of the organ when in was built which is so different to today. Those trumpets definately trumpets and definately have all the lovely trumpet TONAL qualities you would expect. Many organs dont come close to getting this sound so close but this one does. Please out more pieces up here so we can listen to the richness of the beautifull instrument in its mature age and beauty.
It is generally agreed upon that the world's oldest playable pipe organ is located in the Basilica of Valère in Sion, Switzerland. Built around 1435, most of the case is original, but only 12 pipes are original, as the rest have been replaced during restorations. ..................
What about the organ in the Fortress Cathedral in Sion, Switzerland. That organ was built in 1390 and restored in 1954.
Fascinating. I thought that the oldest playable organ in the world was in Fortress Cathedral in Sion, Switzerland. Thought to have been built somewhere between the 1390's and 1430's.
Adam Bryan You're right.
Technically speaking yes. This organ was built in the mid 1400s, so slightly less older than the Sion organ. The Sion organ was added on to many times and most pipes were replaced in the baroque era so it could play the music of the time. This organ, however, was given more stops and added on the the early 1500s. The trumpet stop and some others were taken out overtime until the 1950s when the organ was restored to its 1513 condition. So it is a matter of opinion which is “older”. One was built earlier and has mainly recent(ish) parts. One was built slightly later but is at its older condition. Hope this helped! (Sources: books, Wikipedia, Diane Bish’s show)
In Sion dates only the case from 1435, no winchest, not many pipes. The most parts come frome the years about 1688, so it’s a baroque instrument, not a medieval.
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgel_der_Basilique_de_Val%C3%A8re
@@matttheoddmusician2208 On supposa, pendant fort longtemps, que l'orgue réputé comme le plus ancien jouable au monde datait de 1390, mais il n'existe aucun document historique mentionnant l'utilisation d'un orgue à Valère avant 1433. Aujourd'hui, on estime que l'instrument fut édifié vers 1435.
www.musiqueorguequebec.ca/orgues/suisse/sionndv.html
Actually, there is an even older organ in Ostonnen. In terms of how many pipes are from the medieval era, it *is* the oldest organ in the world
they replaced the case tho
Wow! You just took us back to the end of the Middle Ages!
The trumpet is my fav stop aswell. in general this organ has a good voicing and the trumpet is a true highlight
Thank you for this wonderful video Balint
It is sad that there where older ones in Germany until they where destroyed by air raids in the second world war.
Sad? It is tragically catastrophic and for most of Europa. There were other instances of historic vandalism as well. The loss, for example, of many of England's fine organs during the puritan era on Cromwell's watch.
Yes. Destruction of organs and bells are disaster and showing of insane mind
Germany started it. Twice.
@@alexsmith516 So? Now it is good that those organs that were built hundreds of years ago were destroyed?
@@multimapping8303 Never said that. It's a shame. But what do you expect when you're trying to take over the world?
Thank you! What a fabulous demonstration.
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What an experience it must have been to play this instrument... what history!! Oh that trumpet stop!💕
Es emocionante oír notas de estos antiguos instrumentos.
Thank you for sharing you knowledge and talent. What pleasure to hear sounds which were also heard so many centuries ago. The sound is delicious...especially that wonderfully reedy crumhorn / trumpet stop.
Remarkable that it has survived at all.
The trumpet sounds more like a regal.
Such sophistication in 1442 says a lot about the state of Science and Art in that Society .
Here is the question.... the organ is quite sophisticated which leads to there being an earlier development of organs. There was one in Old Windsor UK I heard and wonder if anyone else knows about it.... I studied at Westminster Choir College in Princeton.
Imagine hearing this instrument for your first time back then, no wonder people got religious
It sounds much better than more recently build ones. Surprising.
One word to summarize it: quality. It was designed to last. Over half a millenia later, it continues to play so gracefully as intended.
Невероятно, живое Средневековье. Звук необыкновенный, в современных такого не слышал. (Incredible, living Middle Ages. The sound is extraordinary, I have never heard anything like it in modern ones.)
the trumpet stop seems similar to a regal stop! Nice timbre
Fantástico! Que instrumento maravilhoso, eu amo o som e a música de órgão.🙂
Why on earth is this video on Comedy category lol
Because the quite stupid youtube algorithm triggered on the word 'oldest' in the title.
@@Doeff8 Could you explain how that works? Like, what does it see "oldest" as? :)
Pure happiness at the end.
Don't care which is oldest. Rysum looks like a beautiful Dorf.
Amazing is the man that plays this organ and brings it to life.
Thanks for the demonstration.
I have never heard of this organ, and it would be good to have a video which shows the case, and possibly the interior, together with some information about its history, the number of times it has been rebuilt and altered, and so on.
There was a jubilee publication for the 555th birthday of this organ. You can find it here: www.orgel-information.de/Orgeln-Deutschland/R/ru-rz/Rysum/Kirche/Festschrift_2012.pdf
Thanks!
Very interesting images.
What was the piece you played? It was amazing! Where can i get the score.
Hi, I improvised them, helas no scores I am afraid!
Die Orgel in Rysum ist von 1440!! Der Prospekt ist von 1480! also auch orginal gotisch!!!Ich wohn hier!!!
Heh, another "oldest pipe organ", I know already at least 3 oldest organs in Germany :-). But it has for sure really wonderful sound, so thank you for sharing such a nice music :-). How is it tuned, is it meantone?
"...the oldest payable pipe organ in the world..." Have they updated the exchange mechanism to take credit cards besides currency and coins?
I heard somewhere that the Rysum church bells are in tune with the organ and that music was composed for the organ with bells.
It's crazy knowing that my ancestors heard this organ in the 18th century.
This is the oldest instrument I’ve ever seen this was built in as you can see 1442 extremely old but it sounds incredible
The Trumpet 8' sounds like a Crumhorn! How stunning is this?! Any Reed or Crumhorn is perfect in my book!
It is actually a trumpet, despite the very thin and brilliant sound.
This is the 2nd/3rd oldest. The real oldest is at the church in Sion.
Hear Diane Bisch play it
But in Sion are only 2 stops completly original, in Rysum 4. The organ from Ostönnen is even older than the instrument in Sion, but it is also modified in the Barque era like the instrument in Sion.
Sorry guys,
the oldest Organ was build 1430 in Soest, Germany and plays since 1586 in Ostönnen, northrine-westfalia, Germany.
@@wewersebastian5390 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_pipe_organs These are facts
The oldest organ in the world is found in the fortress church of Sion, Switzerland. That organ was built in 1390.
The trumpet sounds like a Krummhorn
That is one very long lasting organ!
Germans take care of their things.
Delightful demonstration.
Nicew vintage and rich .... deep and soft Gedackt
What's hilarious is that CZcams has classified this demonstration as "comedy".
The uploader chooses how to classify videos, not youtube. Comedy is the default - he probably didn't really care about its classification when it was uploaded.
What a sweet organ! Thank you.
Very interesting!!!
Simply amazing! Excellent introduction to the organ very fundamental registrations (they were defined much earlier than I had thought).
This organ may have a later stop action, since Praetorius reports that the 1361 organ at Halberstadt had only a blockwerk. But apparently Gothic organs could have up to 50 ranks in the blockwerk, which would probably constitute the largest mixture ever.
Just wonderful!
Very cool video!
I love the trumpet stop; sounds like crumhorns.
Indeed it does and draws your attention too!
Trumpet 8 sounds mote like Rackett 8.
Difficile poter stabilire quale sia il più antico organo ancora suonabile.
Molto spesso è presente solo una piccolissima parte dei materiali originali, adattati a ricostruzioni e ampliamenti successivi.
Ad esempio, a Sion solo tre dei sette registri presenti oggi conterrebbero materiali che datano della primitiva costruzione dello strumento e, per di più, si tratta di file di canne aumentate di estensione in seguito.
Per non parlare della originaria intonazione e accordatura che potrebbe essere state modificate per meglio adattarsi agli ampliamenti successivi.
Magical
Wonderful! Thanks so much.
The trumpet sounds like the crummhorn.
the oldest organ is actually the basilica de valere organ in sion switzerland, built in the late 1300s
It is NOT the oldest organ in the world. That is the organ in Sion, Switzerland
The organ of Östenne in Germany is even older than the organ in Sion. It dates to 1425 or so.
The Sion (Valais, Switzerland) organ dates from 1390!
Still intact ? All the original pipes ?
nope, the oldest one is in Ostönnen; Germany
Incredible history.
Splendid
Fascinating. I hope they get some funds to fix the noisy keyboard 😂
There is no fix for that, it’s mechanical action, modern organs (most of them) have electro pneumatic action
One day you have to get to the Isnard organ in St. Maximin. This organ was fun to listen to. I liked the trumpet as well. But there are organs with far more powerful reeds!
Can you you believe that Rysum is actually a district of the City of Krummhörn (which sounds like « cromorne », another instrument that has given its name to a organ stop), sitting on the coast of the North Sea, opposite the Netherlands ?
Now the organ in Sion (Notre-Dame-de-Vallère), Switzerland, is said to be slightly older (1435).
Obviously, this video shows an organ that looks (and sounds) rearranged many a time. It even sounds « baroque », NOT medieval …
You’re really pulling out all the stops here aren’t you 😄. The different stops sound like consort of other Renaissance instruments playing.
Amazing! Most wonderful!
I thought the oldest was built in the 1300's on top of a mountain.
Why didn't the original registration for the sion organ include a principal 8' and and an octave 4'?
Wait, so your telling us that everything we've been told about Sion is a lie? Why this ghastly deception? I am outraged!
I've been there, too. It was quite fascinating. Personally, it doesn't really matter to me if it is from 1390 or 1437, that is still pretty damn old. Imagine how many people have played that organ in 600+ years. WOW!
Musical Jewel.
Este es el órgano más antiguo de Alemania, pero no del mundo. El órgano de la Basílica de Valere en Sion Suiza es de 1435, o sea 7 años más antiguo
I thought that the Sion organ was older. Well, it's within a half century, so no matter. I have the Guy Bovet recording of some music from it.
However, I do like the sound of this instrument better. Anyone want to turn me on to contemporary music (1430s-1440s) played on this instrument?
Thanks!
Probably the most belated reply on the planet, but I just couldn't resist. There is an album recently released with music roughly contemporary to the organ (1400-1500) called "A late Medieval Mass on the Rysum Organ".
Rysum liegt an der Mündung der Ems in die Nordsee, das ist also (Ost)Friesland.
Thank you, Balint!
Amazing sounds!!
Isn't the one in Sion Switzerland older? It's touted as the world's oldest playable organ built in the late 1300's. No matter, I love ancient cathedral organs!
That has been disproven. Sion dates from much later.
what piece did you play?
Could you do a video on this one improvised piece, please
Sion is the oldest in Switzerland.
Thanks!What do you play!?
What is he playing? The name of the music because it’s sooo good
I thougt the oldest organ is located in Ostönnen/Germany...its built in 1425-30...
But still a great video
Very beautifull! I share on Facebook.
Do you tune the pipes before you record? It seems like every older organ I have played is in need of tuning