My First Look At SIMAGIC ALPHA U Direct Drive Base
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- čas přidán 15. 04. 2024
- After 3 months of using Simagic GT Neo Wheel you guys were recommending to try base from Simagic as well..and I listen.
Simagic send me Alpha U 23Nm Base to test and I hope to use it for couple of weeks/months/years if all goes well!
Here is my installation and first look video :)
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What do you think of Simagic so far?
There's no way back ;)
I did the opposite. Went from Alpha U to Clubsport DD.
Recently got the GT Neo and are very happy with it so far. Been eyeing the Simagic Alpha(15nm), but my Fanatec DD1 will suffice a bit longer I think.
Are you leaving fanatec for simagic?
@@snippidippi At the moment testing, but will see what future brings
If your fanatec was turning left, it makes sense that a wheel that's perfectly straight feels like it would be turning right because you're used to it.
Don't need to worry about the wireless connection with simagic, I've never heard of any issues, nor have I ever had any connection issues in the years I've been driving with it.
Absolutely lol. The Fanatec wheel made Jardier build his arm strength/muscular memory in an asymmetrical way.
In a Boosted Media review of the Alpha bases Will said he will calibrate the wheel with a slight tilt to avoid it being slightly off center in the actual games. It could be a minor issue.
The fact jardier is using 70% of the 23nm base and making it look easy is absolutely hilarious. Dude is just strong. He makes it look like others using an 8nm base.
Also remember simagic picks up on the ungulations on track other bases don't.
Crazy how it looks like Jardier is getting more and more in shape day by day💪💪 keep up the good work mate!
I’ve been watching your videos for a number of years now. Another great video, I also want to say Jards you’re looking in great shape buddy. Keep up the great work
Thank you so much!!
125k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well done, Jards. On to 150!
Congratulations on the new base. I just upgraded to the alpha mini and I am so happy. The wheels and pedals are all amazing quality for the price
love that pov from the back while you drive!
I´m using the Simagic Alpha Mini and the GT4 Wheel since 2022 without any problems. Good choice Jadier!
I’ve been using the alpha u for over a year and a half now and I LOVE it. It’s an awesome base.
Nice, I got the Alpha Mini. Hope you enjoy it mate.
I'm running the Gt Neo and the Alpha Mini, changed from Fanatec over 12 months ago, and have loved the simagic gear, never let me down yet. I'm sure you will enjoy it.
I’ve got the same base with the FX wheel and I’m loving it! Massive upgrade from the Moza R5 and anything else I’ve ever used
Alpha U and gt neo just arrived today! Happily surprised to see my personal favorite sim racer testing one.
I'm sure you are gonna be happy with the Alpha U. I've had the alpha for years and are perfectly happy. Keep racing J...
I got myself a set of Simagic's P-1000 pedals about two months ago. I knew then I'd need to swap my entire Fanatec gear for Simagic. The quality is just on another dimension. I got an Alpha Mini with the GTS wheel and have an FX-C wheel on the way. I am genuinely in love, coming from a Fanatec CSL GT DD Pro 8Nm with F1 2023, McLaren GT3 and a round wheel with CSL Hub v2.
Guess you are selling the DD now?
@@gasixteenb11 sold all my Fanatec gear to a very happy and new sim racer. He's getting a great initial setup.
@@gasixteenb11 I sold my Fanatec gear to get the Simagic. Sold it very cheap for someone who is very happy right now. But now I have gear which I could only dream of and thought would never be able to own.
@@paulordbmwhich alpha did u get? Anf how do the road textures feel compare to fanatec? Like grass and the rumble strips, etc.
@@Benedict00_ItchyManko I got the Alpha Mini. The road texture and fine details feel very similar to the Fanatec GT DD Pro, but of course they're more pronounced. The software has a "force feedback frequency" slider that upsamples the FFB signal from the game, which makes a huge difference for iRacing where it feels like using iRFFB but with the math done at the driver level it has very low delay. So small details feel very smooth in the Mini compared to the Fanatec base where it felt like driving a kart over stones. The rumble strips feel much stronger in the Mini, so much so that it seems like my rig will disintegrate as it's very loud. I find it easier to understand what the rear is doing due to the extra force as well so I find myself rarely ever spinning the car. Overall extremely happy with the move to Simagic and cannot recommend enough.
I purchased a Fanatec DD1 in November of 2021!
Its 2024 and im still learning how making micro adjustments to all the tuning options changes the driving experience!
For a $1,200 wheel base and $369 wheel im happy. My only issue was the USB port failing.
Unfortunately Fanatec's customers service is horrible. What was awesome was finding the rear Cap w/PCB board for sale on Ebay for $100.
Swapped it out with the broken 1, updated the firmware and its been better then ever!
I was very tempted to buy a Simucube or Sim magic cause i loved the look of the neo wheel. But i couldn't justify buying everything again and the mounting needed for my cockpit.
Ive taken apart a DD1 and I must admit, its extremely well designed and very easy to swap parts if something breaks.
I’ve been loving my Simagic gear. I have the Alpha Mini base, FX wheel, ds8x shifter, and handbrake. Wish I had the pedals to complete the set.
I've had the Alpha for years now and still love it. Have not had one problem with the base yet.
Simagic have been killing it the last year or so. They had great bases and then they brought a nice selection of wheels, shifters, and a great set of pedals with haptics. It’s a great ecosystem and the only thing they are lacking to be next level is console compatibility. They get that and they’ll really take off.
I finally ordered the GT NEO after I you talked about it and it shows up today! I’ve been running the Simagic alpha U for about a year now and I have really enjoyed it and I really hope you enjoy it as well!!!
Boosted media said something about putting the settings to -7 degrees and calibrate. will make it true 0 degrees. Love it.. just ordered a Neo and Alpha U. should be in next week I hope. Great video
Ive been looking to upgrade my free to me t300rs for a long time ... Simagic seems to be the route to go..thanks for the video!
Was also an early GT NEO customer and used it on my Moza R9. The simagic wheel made my moza gear feel like a toy so now im selling to replace it with a simagic alpha :)
😂😂😂 dam i got r21 and I'm thinking about upgrading to asetec can I ask u if the neo will from simagic work with the qr on the moza or do I have to order a moza qr ???
@@stacticsgaming9879 they share the exact same quick release so it connected to my moza base perfectly. Just of course needs the wired connection. You don’t actually need the mag link cable as the wheel comes with a non bungee cable, it’s just not the most ideal.
@@stacticsgaming9879 go for simagic alpha ultimate or simucube 2 pro OR if you have the money the 2 ultimate
The neo is a PLASTIC wheel how does it not feel like a toy a R9 is nearly solid aluminum and solid metal my CS wheel cost less and it's solid metal and I no way does it feel like a toy
@@scottpolston6137 the only moza wheel I owned was the RS V2 and the paddles and buttons and overall feel of the wheel compared to the Neo feels like a toy.
lets goo simagic alpha mini and neo gt come in the mail tomorrow
i use Simagic Alpha Mini with the GT4-C Wheel since 12-2021 and never got any issues without cables :)
Jardier! Man we have been friends for years. I remember our crash in PC2 LOL! Enjoy Simagic! It is the best!
I bought the simagic handbrake, the one below yours, about two weeks before you got yours. I think it is very good, no issues at all, thinking of getting the same shifter as you now as my fanatec shifter has broke internally and it never worked in manual mode that great, any issues with your simagic shifter since you had it?. Looking at what they have on offer I quite like the look at what they have. Keep up the great work!
I have the P1000 pedals, took me a while (1 week) to get them how i wanted them, I have the haptic motor on the brake which is great, really pleased with them.
I have GT Neo, Simagic Alpha Mini on order hopefully due in April. They will replace my DD1 & Formula V2 with APM.
Using my GT Neo on a Fanatec DD Pro at the minute. Will probably switch to the Simagic Alpha later in the year.
Ffb: 100 smoothness:4 wheel rotation speed:35 ffb detail:9 max torque 23nm damper:12 friction:6 inertia and frequency on 0. U can adjust the strength to suit in game.
I have the same base. Mine was about 3degree to the right when the Simpro said it was 0. I just reset the neutral to where I felt right and no problem at all since.
i got the same base upgraded from dd1 cause of EMI issues.. and i can say the alpha u is 100x smoother and 10x more detail... the chicane at watkins glen feels insanely good.. totally different from dd1 i felt every ripple on that curbing
I’ve been looking at this base for the past two days. Might pull the trigger on it this week. This video might be the deciding factor.
Edit: I order it bundled with the GT GT Neo. My wife gave birth to our daughter yesterday so why not celebrate the occasion with some new sim gear 😂 btw I’m currently using the Moza r12. My pedals, shifter and handbrake are all Simagic so this will also simplify my setup a bit.
How is the moza? Would you recommend it ?
@@jassary97 the Moza is good. Plenty of ffb in most titles but I feel it’s on the margin in ACC for me personally. At 100% on the base and 90% in game it’s not quite there for me. I suspect that 16nm with some headroom might be what I’m looking for.
I love my R12 mostly play AC modded for drifting and ACC is a awesome wheel base thinking about getting a R21
@@scottpolston6137 I was looking at the r21 because I already have the GS and RS wheels but the dimensions of the Alpha U will allow me to slip it underneath my center monitor. The r21 would force me to sit a bit further back than I would ideally like to using 32” triples. I think a family fiend might’ve caught the sim racing bug the last time he was over (the guy was ear to ear the entire hour he was in the rig playing ACC) so I’m going to offer him the r12 and wheels at a bro price.
Really wondering what settings you're running, have the same base it's so amazing!
I think that you deserve a Simucube mate! With that base you do the really upgrade and you can find any kind of steering wheel
Simagic is better I have tried both.
simucube and simagic are practically on par atm
simagic is simucube just with a sticker slap for branding, its a copy of the sumcube just different casing but from the same distribution company as granite
Same motor. Only difference is software. If you say that, I say VRS is the best 😅
Hard to speak on this one, the internals are not the same. Encoders are different producing very different resolution. As most mention, at that strength - how much is the the extra bit worth to you?
I’ve got an Alpha U with P1000 pedals. Quality is absolutely top notch. I have 0 complaints after years of usage. Don’t worry about relying on the wireless connectivity. It’s been 100% reliable in my experience. It’s a 2.4ghz wireless system. Same as Bluetooth, wifi routers, cell towers, wireless mice and/or headphones. It’s well proven technology.
I had almost exact upgrade from Fanatec (GT Pro, so not really), to Simagic (Alpha U / FX PRO / P1000)
never been happier, ofcourse going from entry-level to flagship makes a hige difference
Amazing simagic
I feel ACC is one of the games that really really benefits from higher end wheelbases. I was enjoying the game with my CSL DD 8Nm, but when I swapped to the Asetek Invicta wheelbase it was a proper gamechanger. There is so much detail there that was just not noticable previously, really subtle cues that allow me to drive harder and more consistently as I can feel when the car is getting out of shape in a way that I couldn't with the CSL DD.
Regular Assetto Corsa on the other hand has much more "obvious" force feedback, and the difference is not that noticable. The Invicta is still better, but not as dramatic as I felt it was with ACC.
Oh yeah ACC is pretty detailed I think with 333hz FFB :)
i agree, the same is also very much the case with iracing, without a good wheel its very hard to get fast
Im looking at Asetek for a while, but really don’t like the wheels. That button plate… i know it’s not most important, but it’s me. Just waiting them for new wheels
@@imlvee8909 I got the Forte button plate and round wheel with mine, and I've actually grown to like it :) The quality is really good, but even the looks have grown on me. Especially when I've set the LED colours to my liking. There will be an Invicta wheel coming soon though, with a built in dashboard, which should be pretty cool!
That said, Asetek is one of few wheelbases that allows USB pass-through on their hub, so you can run Cube Controls or other third party wheels without any loose USB cables wrapped around the base :)
@@Jardier333 is no longer an option tho
Since you had fanatec have you thought about trying the newer DD+ 15nm ?
could it be the weight of the cable pulling the wheel to the right?
I really love simagic. I own their shifter DS-8X for a long time now as well as the p2000 pedals and I really would love to buy a Alpha U. But having a VRS DirectForcePro it really is a kind of very small upgrade. Maybe in the end of the year.
I Got the the Simaagic P1000 pedals - And Yes they are soo good .. Compaired to Moza's and Fanatec very lack luster pedals, they like the difference between a logitech g 920 and a simagic Alpha DD ... As for the right turning feel - you might have centring slightly off or might be a wrong setting in ACC and Simagic software doing it..
VNM 17nm wheelbase is coming out soon apparently
Try set your Steer Settings to -7 degrees. Boosted Media picked up the same thing with all Simagic wheels so its seems like its a calibration bug where its set to center but in game it feels like its to the right.. He mentions it at about 14mins in his SIMAGIC vs EVERYTHING video 3 weeks ago.
Welcome to the simagic club, your sim racing experience will begin from here…
Hey Jardier, can you post your ingame camera settings ? We have same monitor and I would like to try
Yes very good upgrade.Good by fanatec
Still, have never tried a DD wheel at all 😂, One day it will happen. If i was to choose, it would be Sim Magic, ive heard only good things.
Thanks for the video, Jardier. 👍💜
Would love to be able to afford a DD Base and a Nice Wheel. Would probably go with Sim Magic also mate. Well maybe one day lol !
I did the same upgrade and loving it only tried IRacing for now and loving it, just have hard time figuring out the perfect FFB too much and it breaks your wrists, too little and you lose detail
Fanatec have this annoying issue that because of the magnets placement in the base wheel by itself to not wanna stay at the center, but turn itself like 2-5 degress (fanatec control panel) and in my case it is 3-4 degress left.
CSL DD and clubsport DD have this issue, so im quite sure DD1/DD2 have the same. I do not use strong FFB, so if lets say I do not hold my wheel at the straight because I wanna do or grab something my car just turns to the left
So my question is.... How does it look for the simagic?
20:20 maybe this is the same issue? Open the software and check if the wheel stays at the middle 0 degress or turns to the right or left by itself.
I take everything i daid back jardier the simagic may be the best base ive ever used and thats including simucube. There is a feel now that simagic has updated there bases that is unmatched. There is a perfect feeling to get whatever you want out of it. Wow its good im shocked. Even better then my dd+ yes I just didnt have the settings right and ready i didnt have the latest update haha.
Guys if you ever get a chance forget everything else ive owned simucube on loan, i own the dd+ i own a 15nl alpha and just got the ultimate holy crap the simagic bases now idk what they have done but they are now buttery smooth, snappy with insane details so much details i had to turn them down which meansbit gets more then my dd+ starting to realixe boosted media sucks with settings on bases. Starting to think peoppe shoupd stop listening to people like that who clearly dont understand how detail works with simagic. Then you go talk to race matters hes been sim racing for 15 years and he chose simagic over his simucube he was shocked. It seems like the same thing with everyone who tried it. Its always omg it blew my expectations away and i def get it. These things sre next level good now with the recent software and newest revision. If people dont know they are oj there 3rd revision. The 3rd one happened in 2023 so reviews before that or units before that dont really tell you about how good they are now.
U can run SIMHUB only with wheel connected with the base without the maglink?
or another doubt could be, is possible to run SIMHUB only with the cable type C > USB connector with the Base?
Or the only way to connectedthe wheel with SIMHUB is with using Maglink?
this lad is trimming down 💪💪💪
I've been going in the opposite direction 😂
Jardier i figured out the settings due to hepp from race beyond matters! Hes been sim racing for 15 years and has his ultimate dialed in to his simucube level.
So where it says max torque and them ffb. Leave the max torque at 23nm but turn the ffb top left slider in the software down to 60 to 70%! Then adjust in game how you like. This alloes for the ffb signals to come through and not clip but get towards the edge of doing so where the most detail is at!
Then turn smoothness down to 1 and interpelation to like 4 or 5. This allows for less noise yet also tons of details. As he stated would rather have details and speed then reduce noise all the way and hurt it. But yeah go do this you wiko not regret it! Enjoy its an insane wheel once you dial it in also make sure you are on the latest software@
I really hope you see this the 60%-70% ffb will help you so much the little details that pop this way are shocking. Again leave max torque at 23nm on the top right snd then top left slider turn the ffb down to 60-70% do not use 100% as many of the signals come through and are clipping through the base itself. This is game changing.
The Force Feedback slider is a linear gain. It makes no difference if you have it at 1% and the sim at 10000% or both at 100%.
Smoothness is a low pass. It needs to be set per-car and per-track because all it does is filters bumps.
Interpolation always 0. It introduces latency and noise. Maybe okay to use 1 or 2 in iR.
I'm lucky enough to have Both But I say simagic just edges it for me. You need to try the pedals. P1000 👌💯
Change deadzone to 1% to remove the "turning right" feeling?
My Alpha is awesome. After a month of use with my NEO wheel, I have had zero issue with them. This is my first DD, and so far, I'm loving it
@Jardier Hi man how much did you lost weight? Can you make like update on your healt?
Amazing brand …. I have the Alpha and moved from fanatec and am way happier.
Quality of FFB is unreal and I run low filter on all canned effects aand high fidelity settings and ffb frequency and love it.
Shocked at how good it is
what setting are you using in SimPro for acc?
4:48 you're holding it like you just hunted a fish ahahahha
I ended up going for a Simucube 2 Pro last year, which I absolutely love. That said, I’ve heard lots of good things about the Simagic bases.
We talked with few guys and said all DD bases above like 1000€ feel very similar, but biggest difference is software. How is it for Simucube?
Simucube software is really good. Very easy to use and well presented. Lots of online profiles for all the racing games which you can save and tweak however you want. Updates always easy to do as well. The Simucube software is very good Jards.
@@Jardier Simucube software is great. Very easy to use and very well presented. Loads of online profiles for all the racing games that can be downloaded and tweaked to your liking. Software updates are very easy to install. Never had a single problem.
@@tonygeddes9558 Thats good to know, Fanatec on other hand feels like software for windows vista :D
The only issue I've heard is that Simucube game compatibility is limited relative to Simagic. Seems to cater only to serious sim racers and not much else.
my Moza R9 V2 also pulls a little to the right, although I have set the center exactly
@Jardier is it possible to have your simpro setting for ACC please?
I use 100% ff in simpro manager and adjust the ff in game to suit your driving. It is More precise and real feel in all categories
I currently own an Alpha mini and I have been kinda eyeing the Asetek. Why? Who knows lol. Not in a hurry to switch tho.
I moved to VRS from DD2 and DD2 was good to me and still is great but it just gets better with the options outside of that world.
Not that you need to but have you ever thought about going with triple monitors for immersion?
Pretty good base I see. I don't suggest that we use such a heavy base on a wheel stand, but on a proper rig, like a Omega Prime.
Hello !!! I have the Simagic Alpha U and its really good !
Is it possible to have you're set up in the software of Simagic ?? Thank You so much .
Hello Jardier,
Is it possible to share your FFB settings (simagic software) once you find the best for you?
Yeah for sure mate!
Looking to get rid of the fanatec gear?? 😉😉 Haha new base looks amazing, well wear
THe base looks great. With as hot as it gets in your room having everything packed so tightly I am interested to see how it does with heat dissapation over time (when dust gets into the unit, etc....) I'll be along for the adventure as you enjoy your new Simagic. Very interested
The alpha u doesn’t even get warm to the touch. At least under normal use.
Will for sure give it proper stress test :D
@@gulfcoaster210 That's interesting and promising
@@Jardier I know you will.
I have had some issues with disconnection on my wheel (using the wireless on simagic alpha mini and gt1 wheel) but there should be a way you can reset the firmware using the buttons on the wheel (there is for my wheel) and that has always worked for me to fix it
I had that problem as well. I just used a coiled USB cable to the cambus and it's been flawless.
i am thinking of upgrading my fanatec gt dd pro to at least a simagic alpha, maybe even the alpha u.
what name on steering wheel YOU have?
Maybe it feels like it's going right, because you got used to the Fanatec pulling slightly left?
What did bundle buy for ps5? I have playstation and 65' Samsung OLED tv. Right know thrust master t300 with TLCM pedals.
Fanatec DD+ is it good option with pedals or Logitech or just buy Simagic bundle, new rig and cheap PC, and connect to my tv?
I would buy Fanatec but I heard last time about their big company's issues.
What's up with this centering issue? I noticed Boosted Media pointed it out too
Thank you for the video Jardier, Maybe one day I will be able to get a DD Base and a Wheel. But Not today lol
yeeeeeeesssss
Why not the CS DD+ ?
Is there an adapter to use a fanatec wheel (formula v2) with the Simagic ecosystem?
have to buy the quick release, but idk, how you can use the buttons on the fanatec as it has no cable connection.
@@alexanton5807 Good point -- thank you
Sounds like it's a little more detailed Jardier, pole position next time!
It was -3 degree in the softwear center it and I think ot will all ok
I hope one day I can get one too, or maybe a Asetek Forte. At the moment I have a Thrustmaster TS-XW :/
Sorry if it's already been mentioned - If the Alpha U is the same as the other bases you should be able to disconnect the maglink and use the wireless receiver. I'd be interested to see if you get any disconnect issues.
Yeah I know I can use the wheel wireless, Im probably just oldschool cable guy you know :D Cable doesnt bother me
Good to know it works ok. I queried this on the simagic discord and some were concerned about the rim receiving multiple power sources.
Well i heard that that fanatec afiliet program have some hick ups and Jardier immediately jump of the brand that give him so much trough the years. That can tell you what kind person it is :))
well thats not really the truth but whatever..
Just bought my first wheel, went with the alpha 15nm, and all the bits and bobs, 1 week to wait 😢
Lets go mate!
You should ask Simagic for a set of P1000's to review too!
You ARE crazy.. that has been confirmed live on streams so many times! But, on a serious note, I don't understand why not give on-device connections between wheel and base like Fanatec or Moza do, instead of making them wired/wireless?
In South Africa, moza and simagic is literally half the price of fanatec gear. Its kind of a no brainer (unless you are on console... then you have to still wait for the moza r3)
Wtf I somehow forgot about you for a long time… simracing has been a bit on the backburner… cant wait to get viewing again
🥹🥰
is ACC with a G920 going to give me a realistic feel of GT3 cars and how they handle and feel?
You are still getting the right feedback, just slower and less precisely, so most of what you learn with a G920 will translate to better wheelbases if you choose to update later :) The only exception is drifting, where a G920 has to be actively counter steered because of the slow response, where as in real drifting or with direct drive wheelbases you can let the force feedback do most of the work for you.
So, yeah, not realistic as it is too slow and too weak, but still perfectly possible to have fun with and be fast with. If you have a choice, go for the T300 instead of a G920. Or better yet, an entry level DD setup.
No not even close honestly. You will get some detail and force but nowhere close to a direct drive base. You can still run fast laps with them thought ffb and detail isn't everything
No, the G920 outputs roughly 2Nm torque, GT3 cars should be somewhere around roadcar levels, so maybe 6-7 max.
ACC's GT3 car models (and every other sim) are not very accurate, so they won't drive correctly anyway.
Logitech G wheels are fine beginner wheels if you can get them for the right price, but they're not simulation gear.
I've been an IT professional for 30 years, deaf and use a cochlear implant. There's no magic, wireless connections have lag, that's why my devices are wired to the network and not to Wi-Fi, the steering wheel is wired and the cochlear implant is connected to the PC via cable and not via Bluetooth because you can hear that there's a delay .
I would buy the simagic instead of the fanatec if they could keep everything cool temperature like fanatec does.
I’d like to see your opinion on it after using it for little while
100% will do :)
Kac kg motor. ???