Bill I remember this type of starter and from what I remember is the pinion gear returns under spring pressure the starter engages the pinion onto the ring gear and when the power to the starter is cut the pinion returns under spring pressure But your starter may work under a different principle the power engages the pinion and the spring disengages if that makes sense from what I remember but as I say yours could be different worth checking when you take the old one off regards Alan
Lol, I just watched part of this video earlier where you said not to spin the gear too much or it will get stuck. I was trying to troubleshoot why my starter doesn't engage the flywheel but it does spin. Ok so I thought it was stuck because it hasn't been touched in years. I spun my too far like you did and then I watched this video again, and then seen the part where you got yours stuck too far down too, and I find this hilarious. you tried to warn me, anyway I'm done for the day messing with my 9n.
I'm supprised that you didn't crack open the original starter and check the brushes and commutator segments before ordering a new one. The carbon brushes wear down and make a bad contact so less current and less power to drive, it's just a simple motor. :-D
@@tskedition I'm just one of those odd people that like to give a dead thing a little chance. if a good clean and maybe a fresh set of carbon brushes make it usable, then it's worth a go. Some people may say "You cant get the brushes" but i used to take oversized ones and sand them down to fit the holders, very easy and fast being carbon. I know it works as i used to work in an auto repair factory.
Hey Bill have you ever come a crossed a old vehicle or tractor that was 6 volt Positive Ground? I have maybe that is what people are talking about reverse Polarity! Maybe that is what they were thinking about! And Yes I have seen fans Turned so they will blow out though the Radiator instead of pulling air though the radiator! I have seen starters like that on old fords and have taken a lot of them apart and rebuilt them!! Have fun with the little ford Bill!
So if you were to read the warning flyer included in this starter box, it says to NOT remove the yellow cover until after installation into the tractor, to avoid locking up the drive.
@@kennethrinicker8013 I left it on during insertion, but first cut the tape laterally though the middle, that way once the end portion (gear head) had been inserted, I could reach in though the case hole with needle nose pliers and pull it completely off with little effort. Note, I also had to enlarge the hole a bit to get an angle with the starter, otherwise it would not fully enter. Also note I had to glue the end plates of the new starter on with a bit of JB weld, to keep the starter from completely falling apart when I removed the rod bolts (it was glued on my original starter)
You would be surprised. As long as it starts fair the 6v can last a long time. I have had a 6v running on 12v in an International for 38 years. But if you have to crank for long periods of time sure it cooks them fairly quickly.
@@anthonyyoung7344 I have worked on tractors most of my life also. I also rewind them to 12v a lot. Almost all of them are because of the tractor being a hard starter. It's all about how long it has to run, and how much heat it makes vs how fast that heat can wick away. Short burst to start an easy to start tractor doesn't generally work up that much heat.
Yup. I totally turned that gear too when I got my new starter. Locked mine up too. They should have a label there to warn folks.
Bill I remember this type of starter and from what I remember is the pinion gear returns under spring pressure the starter engages the pinion onto the ring gear and when the power to the starter is cut the pinion returns under spring pressure But your starter may work under a different principle the power engages the pinion and the spring disengages if that makes sense from what I remember but as I say yours could be different worth checking when you take the old one off regards Alan
This helps a lot my. Currently working on my friends 63 thunderbird basically the same starter...
Thanks for clearing that up, I thought it was turning backwards.
Cooling fans on forklifts are set the same way, during the winter when working outside , the back of the FL was the warmest place to be.
Lol, I just watched part of this video earlier where you said not to spin the gear too much or it will get stuck. I was trying to troubleshoot why my starter doesn't engage the flywheel but it does spin. Ok so I thought it was stuck because it hasn't been touched in years. I spun my too far like you did and then I watched this video again, and then seen the part where you got yours stuck too far down too, and I find this hilarious. you tried to warn me, anyway I'm done for the day messing with my 9n.
I'm supprised that you didn't crack open the original starter and check the brushes and commutator segments before ordering a new one.
The carbon brushes wear down and make a bad contact so less current and less power to drive, it's just a simple motor. :-D
I feel like he should do this aswell it would make for good content figuring out the problem.
@@tskedition I'm just one of those odd people that like to give a dead thing a little chance.
if a good clean and maybe a fresh set of carbon brushes make it usable, then it's worth a go.
Some people may say "You cant get the brushes" but i used to take oversized ones and sand them down to fit the holders, very easy and fast being carbon.
I know it works as i used to work in an auto repair factory.
Most industrial machines (especially older) blew outward of the radiator.
My Allis Chalmers crawler and John Deer crawler both blow outward.
Can you show a short video on the home made crank?
Is that a 12 v or a 6v?
Just put a starter and new solenoid on one of these. Simple. 1 hr with wrong tools and looking for light and extension cords.
Hey Bill have you ever come a crossed a old vehicle or tractor that was 6 volt Positive Ground? I have maybe that is what people are talking about reverse Polarity! Maybe that is what they were thinking about! And Yes I have seen fans Turned so they will blow out though the Radiator instead of pulling air though the radiator! I have seen starters like that on old fords and have taken a lot of them apart and rebuilt them!! Have fun with the little ford Bill!
My John Deere Ar is 6volt positive ground
I think my old triumph was positive ground
So if you were to read the warning flyer included in this starter box, it says to NOT remove the yellow cover until after installation into the tractor, to avoid locking up the drive.
Please tell me how you remove the yellow protector after it’s been installed
@@kennethrinicker8013 I left it on during insertion, but first cut the tape laterally though the middle, that way once the end portion (gear head) had been inserted, I could reach in though the case hole with needle nose pliers and pull it completely off with little effort. Note, I also had to enlarge the hole a bit to get an angle with the starter, otherwise it would not fully enter. Also note I had to glue the end plates of the new starter on with a bit of JB weld, to keep the starter from completely falling apart when I removed the rod bolts (it was glued on my original starter)
@@TheRogerhill1234 that’s what I was thinking too but I’m going to try gorilla tape to hold the end cap on
The tractor is a 1944 Ford 2N, not a 9N!
Did you get that starter for 12v system. If not that 6v want last long.
You would be surprised.
As long as it starts fair the 6v can last a long time. I have had a 6v running on 12v in an International for 38 years.
But if you have to crank for long periods of time sure it cooks them fairly quickly.
@@wolvenar good luck I work on tractors IV changed alot of them 6v starters that's been used on 12v you should see the inside of them.
@@anthonyyoung7344 I have worked on tractors most of my life also. I also rewind them to 12v a lot. Almost all of them are because of the tractor being a hard starter. It's all about how long it has to run, and how much heat it makes vs how fast that heat can wick away. Short burst to start an easy to start tractor doesn't generally work up that much heat.
Yeah that’s wrong no Ford tractor ever pushed air thru the radiator.