INFJ: Ni & Ti Dynamic and Loop (introverted intuition & thinking)
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- In this video I talk about the dynamics between the INFJ's introverted intuition (Ni) & Introverted thinking (Ti) cognitive functions as well as the Ni / Ti Loop.
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This video was excellent; very informative and helpful. There are times when I get so stuck in my own thought process that I completely lose track of time and forget what I'm supposed to actually be doing. I get stuck in the loop.
Hi +Samantha M, very glad you found the video helpful
I've noticed in the LOOP 3 and a half years now!
Since my covert narcissistic ex wife and blood family plus most of my friends and other family discarded me.
And my narcissistic abuse actually starts from birth.
My auntie and uncle raped beat my mum, she run away , got pregnant with me. Then my dad rejected her,
She was 17 with no one to turn to, but her sister and brother outlaw.
36 I was me and mum talked, she said they beat her with word's , made her fear for me. She gave me to them thinking they would give me a Great life.
Broke down when I told her how they were too me.
Mum said they got worse ,
Hehehe I said- But they weren't counting on me being a Tuff motherfucker like You Mum!
My Mum said- I've spent a lifetime time looking for a man to take care of us! When I gave up the Man God gifted me ! That would have taken the best care of me!
I set my mum free before she passed over.
If we really think about it!
To go in and out of the LOOP and PRESENT becomes an ability!
For my Children no one is dead!
I have to be smarter because everyone now knows I'm a lot harder.
Some times the LOOP can become our jail!
Think I'm learning to surf in the LOOP .
Hehehe I'm in it right now.
Video's like this have saved me, find myself.
Many different video's actually as well as reading comments and adding.
It's Cool, I'm cool with life, I'm cool with myself for the first time in my life!
45 year's old now, people still playing those fucked up games. Getting my shit back together, because I know they will do it to my Children.
I feel like I'm on the edge of a real positive break through.
And a whole lot of narcissistic, sociopathic and psychopaths in my life will learn the error of there ways for what they done to my mum and other good people I Love!
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Interesting: when an INFJ doesn’t accept help well , it could be that it does not “feel” like help - extroverted feeling. They need something that equates what they’ve already given out. Some systems of assistance simply don’t offer that kind, level, or expertise of insight.
Very true
This showed up in my recommended videos. To put it in a non MBTI context, regardless of whether you're an "INFJ" or not, the advice here is pretty straightforward: if you're finding yourself stuck in a mental rut, asking for help or an outside perspective is a way to help break free from it. What I don't see addressed here (perhaps it is just a personal problem?) the underlying fears and feelings of insecurity as a cause for the whole process. It's the feelings of having an understanding but not knowing how to explain it without fears of it turning into a judgement of character or judge of mental state. Share too much of the mind loop and one can end up being viewed as being too much focused on their own self or judged as having a mental disorder. Paring it down and depersonalizing the issue becomes the next step in the process. The attempt is to split the issue from the self and not feel put on the spotlight for explaining the loop.
Condensed: it is an exhaustive search to find non judgmental people who'd listen to the "gobble gunk" version without trying to make a snap judgement about the one explaining the loop. Shyness explained.
In a job I had, I actually got reprimanded many times for not speaking up often enough in meetings. I was brand new, and tried so hard, but my brain just could not think of how to contribute anything meaningful so quickly. They actually gave me a written warning about it, and I I left soon after that. What they were asking me to do felt impossible.
While no one can ever seem to truly understand the meaning, implications, and connections behind what I'm trying to say...like people aren't REALLY understanding me, they don't seem to totally get it, and aren't playing connect the dots of life and existence, too often causing me hesitation to speak...but it's honestly comforting knowing people out there can at least relate on the same level 😄 Love it! What a bunch we are!
So nicely explained. I'm an INFJ, and I almost always struggle when I find gaps in Ni. And this really slows down my progress ( not to me, I guess everyone thinks it that way) as I don't respond untill all the gaps are filled. Although I am not very clear how to overcome it.
As Scott mentioned in another video infjs do almost all their learning in 'expert' mode. Meaning we relate the new to the Ni schemas already there and map it to those things.... When that doesn't work because something is too foreign we need to use 'beginners' mind and treat the new information as new. this includes asking questions not making assumptions looking at things in a serial manner etc. Not all of which infjs are very good at. I know I find something completely new pretty difficult to understand at first. Either I have to find a way to relate it to what I already know or I need to use the old-fashioned way and just use constant exposure.
I'm beyond happy I discovered these videos! It's as if these videos were made JUST for me. They're so on point it's a bit creepy...but overall, Thank u SO MUCH!
You're welcome James, thanks for letting me know :)
I actively enter the loop.
divorced at 23 when my grandfather was dying of lung cancer. for me, my whole life vanished. of course, this put me into depression with anxiety and panic attacks.
but I have never been into drugs, legal or illegal. so I resolved to deal with everything on my own. this is how I got into psychology and philosophy.
philosophical logic is grounding for me. it is impersonal, and it helps explore the human existential condition, human nature, the nature of truth, a truth/meaning relationship, etc.
what intensified it was the loss of religion and a spiritual source (the closest I have is nature itself, which I refer to as a sanctuary against the so-called civilization, which, to me, is more like an urban jungle). I am now an ignostic Humanist.
knowing first hand the existential crisis of the loss of faith, it created a gulf between myself and most others around me. the only way to deal with it was to remain objective. after years of this, you begin to feel rather empty.
this also has typed me as an INTP (you reference INTJ). the thing is, logic simply became the wall people must willing transcend in order to get to the deeper me. there is far more than just a logical analyst. to give an idea, the Disney character (as a male) that I relate to the most is Elsa from Frozen. I am a skeptic that intuitively searches for the truth, and that often happens by via negativa.
enneagram wise, I tested as 5w9, the investigative peacekeeper. in college, I wanted to be a forensic psychologist, and think of an investigative peacekeeper as a cop. watching a video on enneagram neurosis, I learned the 5 is associated with fear (there are some things I do not wish to talk about out of fear of putting others into that existential crisis). I don't remember the 9 (something to do with child like dependence, which I felt was the exact opposite. I have come to rely on myself), but I felt that these were only somewhat accurate, and flawed.
I also relate to the protagonists from the video game series Assassin's Creed, and, having a natural distaste for authority (anti-authoritarian), have become a Left Libertarian, which espouses both egalitarian and libertarian principles....so my ideals are centered around peace through freedom and Equality (egalité liberté fraternité). I often refuse to argue subjective material, such as ideals, preferring to leave people to their own values and tastes, provided those do interfere with others'. the thing is, I have a deep-seated, generalized love of people, life, and humanity, but find our egocentric basis sometimes difficult to deal with, creating more complex and intricate process of personalizing that authentic relationship.
I am now 40, and feel that this entire path was created by a need to deal with something that happened 17 years ago that created trust issues. in retrospect, it was probably the best thing that could have happened.
I appreciate you sharing all this with us Jeromy. Much appreciated.
I’m new to your channel, but every video I have watched has really hit home - Bam! Right in target! You have such a wonderful way of describing things that really connects with me. Thank you!
You do such a great job of verbalizing how we think and process information because I consider introverted intuition a function that "speaks another language" that isn't expressed the same way language is verbally because it's not in chronological order like a verbal discussion and it's expressed through a method which involves different patterns and different avenues in which our intuition gathers information then once these things are actively processing in my head and I'm aware of it I see them more in images then words. I also see them and patterns, images, and emotions. These three avenues eventually weave together and create a a visual pattern that usually is founded or another way to say it might be that the root of the research comes from emotions, others and my own. Often times when I tried to just explain how I think to people they find it very odd and can't follow. This is one reason that metaphors are so invaluable to my type, to weave images of information in the form of patterns that are emotionally-based but also follow a logical pattern and balance out mathematically if you will to wear the system has some validity, is impossible to explain in terms that involve what's tangible and right in front of you and you could put your hands on. It's almost like we speak a different language than sensors because sensors receive their information in a different way than we do. Do you personally relate to any of what I'm saying? Does when I'm saying makes sense to you? I have spoken with others that have my type and I've heard a lot of them say that they do thinking patterns some of them have said I thinking images to but I haven't ever really been able to express the emotional component in a way that makes sense even to another person of my type.I hope you check your channel every once in a while because an answer would really help me to know if I am the only one or if another person with my thinking understands what I'm trying to side. Thank you so much for your videos they are credible. P.s. You just mentioned the enneagram, I am a four with a five wing
Hi Jenni, I relate to everything you have said here. It makes sense to me. I get the sense that INFJ Enn 4 wing 5's are more emotionally based in their processing, as a posed to say a Enn 3 wing 4 who seem more cognitive based in their processing.
Jenni Smeltzer you have described the way my mind works exactly. It's hard to put patterns and images, emotions and sensations into words. Thank God for the use of metaphor.
Jenni Smeltzer very well said. You made me feel better. Good to know others think and cumunicate. The first time I watched an infj video I'm not ashamed to say I cried like a baby. It helps to know I'm not crazy.
Interesting to hear. I think in non Verbal metaphors, schemas etc
Yeah, it's like our insights come out in a sort of explorative way (unbeknown to others) and we figure out and verbalise the answers we're absorbing from a variety of stimuli and unknown sources while we're talking! Being so aware of others feelings, we word things carefully to accomodate others sensitivities and this concise language coupled with our uncanny accuracy could give a more extraverted impression- or like you say trick people! Yeah, if we've experienced any previous intellectual disempowerment or hurtful misinterpretation (likely), we may feel reticent about seeking the external validation or reassurance we desperately need sometimes instead of holing up. Others insights have to go through our complex systems before we can appreciate their veracity or merit in any case before they can begin to impact our feelings and provide comfort. Phew, joy of being a complex so and so! Thanks so much for another great video :-)
You're very welcome +Winnie Winkles
AND why INFJs can become decent writers...
Very much so.
Funny, I started getting serious about writing right around the time you wrote this comment.
I so appreciate your channel. It is really refreshing to hear the inner-workings of the INFJ put in terms that match my own experience.
I really believe sometimes I must access Fi (Beebe Senex function!) via the Ni/Ti loop. Since it is so out of sync that I can be in tune with my own feelings (as opposed to the natural awareness of the feelings of those around me), I find it really relieving when the Ni/Ti/Fi lightning flash occurs and I'm finally able to unravel what has been lurking under the surface for hours or even days! It can drive me mad to realize I am feeling quite a lot, but not have any idea where it's coming from! No wonder I get so distracted and pulled into the lives and emotions of those around me! It's just so much more natural and 2nd nature to do that! But I'm getting better at consciously isolating myself, enjoying the solitude that fully allows for Ni/Ti to process and then put me in a ready, aim, fire place for Fe and Se to kick back up again.
I had this very cycle occur today. I was so in knots and not able to pinpoint why. After a lot of time alone with music and nature and journaling, it all unraveled.
Thanks again. I'll always be a long-term fan of your channel.
That's awesome +LadyLullaby INFJ , nothing like a nicely timed video.
I tend to be very quiet and only watch and listen in groups partly because I'm thinking before I speak and therefore never get to speaking to something before the group has moved on. :) But yeah, I used to say I like to learn vicariously, let others make mistakes and I'll learn from that data. I believe watching the group is similar in that I'm accumulating personal, social, and conceptual data faster than I can participate directly, yet I take away a great deal. Unfortunately there are those occasions where I never get a chance to mentally establish more complex relationships or conclusions during the process that I sometimes never complete these processes at all (due to ADHD forgetfulness?).
Meanwhile I find that often when I try to participate I interfere with the process both for the group and in my own mind. I MIGHT continue to process everything others might say afterward, but I may miss some of it. By expressing myself too soon, I can establish a position I wouldn't otherwise keep had I kept quiet and continued to listen or ask questions. Jumping in too soon can stymie the group's trajectory, as well, it seems. So I find myself wanting to stay out unless I'm certain I am prepared to contribute positively.
This has helped me immensely. Thank you so much..
That's great to hear!
I'm an INFJ and I relate to what you are saying - big time! Can anyone out there suggest MBTI types that have the ability to relate to the INFJ Ni/Ti loops and help us to stay grounded and objective? I've had good experience with an ENTJ mentor, however, I wonder if anyone can suggest other types that have been successful in getting the INFJ "out of themselves?"
I feel like my whole life is a loop constant thinking no action I know what to do why don't I do it? If I applied my inner "workings" to my outer life everything would be sorted in a month. It's like being an intellectual and emotional rut with repetitive thoughts and questions and answers. When u think so much it saps your time and energy so much it's almost like being dizzy then trying to run in a straight line in the real world. Wow this comment is some abstract Ni nonsense lol. Maybe I should keep a journal or would that be more spinning? 😖😖😖😖
I know this comment is a year old, but I feel you so much. And I have to say: yes, keep a journal. It helps me, -- but only if I'm up to date and not behind.
Yes. Journaling may help you quite a bit. It does me. It helps me to dump all the junk I've got stored in my brain...what a relief! But, it also helps me in decision making, too.
Watch Scott's video about decision making for the INFJ. Towards the end of it he talks about sticking with the reality of your final decision, and actually living it out (doing it!).
I feel that one will just keep spinning their wheels if they don't do this. At least, that's how it is for me.
Maybe you can start with something very small, make the decision to do it, get it done and then look back on how you succeeded. Pat yourself on the back!
Then go on to another small project and do the same.
For me, I find that this builds my self confidence. I think that we INFJ's can use confidence building actions like this in our lives.
Yes yes
Try sitting and not doing something for a few minutes as you focus on whatever you most should be doing right now. The mind needs abit of time to just not be stimulated by other things that vie for attention. Noone can sit and be bored for very long so just sit without doing anything then start focusing [in your mind only, maybe talk to yourself if alone] on your todo list especially calendar and the timeframe you need to do it.
Omgosh I feel completely exposed but humble because you completely understand the way I experience and function in life!! Looking forward to hear the last half of this!
I became schizophrenic like 8 years ago I couldn’t figure out why .it’s not in my family at all . I am an INFJ Scorpio Native American woman very empathetic and introverted with my feeling and thoughts .It lasted 2 years then I went through a spiritual awakening I never went to a doctor for it and I came out of my schizophrenia on my own it took about a year to feel back normal.This video helped me to understand myself on a different level
From my point of view, Ne is responsibile for making the dots and Ni for connecting them. Then Ti (and also Te) is responsibile for making a path from these connections.
yep that's me in a group i prefer to remain silent because in the past i have made 1 comment and the other people look at me like i just step out of the space ship Thank you
Lol 😄 This scenario has made me question my sanity many times
I think it depends on who's giving the feedback. There are people who simply cannot deliver the feedback in a helpful manner, be it either adversarial or patronizing. When in the Ti loop, if being talked down to, it only makes EVERYTHING worse, almost as if those gaps in the information are being widened. It's as though the person is trying to address the Fe, but that approach is completely useless. I've learned to go find someone with strong Te or Ti (hello ENTP, ENTJ, INTP, INTJ - the more monotone and deadpan the better) and avoid anyone with Se like the plague, because they only want to focus the expressed frustration, and not the gaps.
In addition to Se, I would suggest a high level of caution reflecting with heavy "Fi" functions such as ENFP. In the short term, it seems that INFJ and ENFP are good for each other but I've had one ENFP go adversarial/patronizing on me after a long term (12 years) platonic relationship. For those that have not seen an unhealthy ENFP - it is anything but rational and constructive!
Thank you, again.
This has explained so much to me about what I'm experiencing at times, especially when making some decisions.
Yay, negative ni ti feedback loops! That's exactly what happens. Thanks for explaining it so well. What I find funny is that as an infj, we are so open that are dearest friends know us better and we do, however we help them understand themselves!
I fit an INFJ/A-type four enneagram. Thank you for edifying the scene for me. ☮☮☮☮
This has blown my mind. Get out of my head!! I've been stuck in a ni-ti loop for over a year over a problem. This describes my experience perfectly. Thank you for the video
thank you so much for this. i didn't know Ni Ti loop was even a thing, and now i realised it is possibly the biggest thing that affects my ability to be objective about (or at least be kinder to) myself. thank you so much for the visualization of the process too, defo helps. 😊
You're welcome Z Kun
This was fascinating, and you explained it all so well! Thank you for this. :)
You're welcome +filmgirl1979 :-)
Thank you very much for this illustrative wonderful video
Thanks +Idealseeker glad you liked it.
Ni does not gather information, it organizes information.
This loop idea stems from a misunderstanding of Jungian functions.
The Ni/Ti process is a natural part of the INFJ's Identity region.
Davesuperpowers speaks about this a lot and I've tried to explain it on my channel also.
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Your idea of Ti representing lines with missing sections is a perfect illustration of what happens to me all the time when I'm thinking about something obsessively and it just doesn't quite add up. It only seems to happen when Ni can't fill in those "holes" in the first place, and sort of "asks" Ti for a logical answer, which often doesn't work either, so the question goes back to Ni for a complete answer that's usually too much to expect at that point. This can become extremely frustrating.
But anyway, thank you for this. Your videos are really helpful!
👄 thank you....
it's helpful information
Thank you!
Woah this video just filled one of those gaps you were talking about your a wizard
Awesome :)
Good explanation thanks
You are welcome
Writing it out and guided meditation seems to help me when I get into my loops.
Hi and TY. I'm very much the type of INFJ that has that "filling in the puzzle pieces to resolve the 'Big Questions'" questions, like who am I, what am I, Life is amazing, what makes it so? kind of ppl. Dunno if you touch on Fe in other videos, but that's what I'm finding, Fe is good both to resolve those detrimental Ni-Ti loops, and find help, and also create the harmony that Fe does. Ni feeds info to Fe to create that harmony, Ti as a "fact check" and counter balance to any potential self-harm that Fe might engender due to insecurities or false perceptions. It's important to focus on Fe and not Ti, as it's stronger and not ignore Ti either. Just not think that it's all that great, because thinking we're pretty good at, but it's not our top notch skill, and be comfortable with that fact - it's also a part of conquering that 3rd function temptation issue. That loop is a fast track to the Se trap, as I call it.
i just saw this video and i´m really grateful i did. i'm sorry if i miss spell something, english is not my firts language, but anyway. I'm typed as an infj and this video have answer many of the questions that have been in my head lately, i just wanted to say thanks, this video have really helped me figure things out in my head, i hope you continue uploading more videos, mucha suerte y gracias :)
+ferdefa That is great to hear!
How did I not watch this earlier? The past few months I have been TOTALLLLLLLYYYYYYY stuck in this loop, just looking for those missing data points! I get pretty obsessive about trying to get the data, and this just locks me in the loop. I write as a method of processing--and it helps make me feel better--but it does not actually help me acquire the data I seek, or maybe I gain the data by slivers. I find that if I FORCE myself to stop looking for the data (not a simple task), things go better...and often I gain a data nugget. That piece of data throws me back in the loop, but I think maybe I will be able to step out of the loop more easily now that I recognize what's going on.
I took your advice on looking into the enneagram--(tested as a 9), but I haven't found any information that really resonates for me.
Thanks for your awesome explanations on how all this works. Again. :)
My pleasure +Jill Pflugheber.
Scott, I'm glad I happened upon the video although it was posted in 2015, it remains current to those who have not seen it. Because of the recent discovery of these INFJ videos I now have a clearer understanding of the 'clinical' aspects of my personality type. Before I was what I was without the labeling. So, I took various personality tests developed by Jung and the Myers group and found through the answers I gave, truthfully, that I do indeed fall into either the INFJ or INTJ categories. Very interesting to me but not something to boast about because like being a LEO in the Astrological sense if has its negatives with some people who do not fully understand the personality traits associated with the INFJ or INTJ types. If one thinks about bragging about being INFJ or INTJ, don't. It doesn't matter what label or category of personality type you fit, nobody really cares so just try to get along without the excuses why they misunderstand you. Be comfortable with yourself and do not think you are not worthy of their company. Extroverts and braggarts have their own set of inequities. Thank you for the clarification.
excellent video
Thanks +Sannah Foster
Asking for help... Receiving help... Soooooo difficult. Extremely difficult. 🤦♀️
YES, THANKS. I UNDERSTAND IT NOW. At first glance it may seems like a powerful & reasonable process while doing this, but the truth is that kind of process withour Fe just unhealthy & drain us more. It's like looking for subjective answer through objective method, which would never answered.
That picture is the inside of my mind frame. Also I have been trapped in a loop for far too long to the point that I dont even consciously bother with Fe now, I'm almost too drained to even think about having Fe. ...it creates this very cold detached demeanor which is in sharp contrast to my insides. Ive even tricked myself into thinking that im possibly a Te user haha. You do such a brilliant job communicating. Thank you (type 4w5)
I am INFJ and believe that Ti maintains Ni integrating the mind into a functional non-fragmented whole.
Very nice explaination, i mean, wow. I think and learn in that way.
Problem is i'm in a non-stop ni-ti loop since 4 years, i suffered short terms ni ti loops in the past, when i was younger, they always led to distructive misanthropy, but i thought that was caused by stress, frustration or deep disappointment.
Now i can't get out from last stressing, frustrating and disappointing episode. Plus, it's not easy to me to get out and get nothing more than a small chat, i live in a small place (no new people to know - and if there were people to know i would rather stay away instead of showing my total lack of skill in approaching new people) in south italy , got 140 iq, nobody can help me fill those data slots if i can't.
Lately i ask myself, if a non mysanthrope version of me has really ever existed, considering even not in a bad mood i need to stay alone(using non destructive misanthropic behaviors), i always told my friends and gfriends "I need to be alone as much as you need to be around people, cause you idiots will make me suffer ulcer and drive me crazy (sarcasm/truth)".
I recently knew i have ulcer, according to the symptoms ì'm carrying it since 10 years, but now it's chronic.
No more friends (bugs) nor girlfriends (snakes). no more tollerance for everything i know will arm me, violence (physical) towards people who try to do to me what they won't allow anybody to do to them (women in particular). Gelousy is evil, a disguised lack of trust wearing a mask they call love, they'll make you live in north korea, knowing they would never let anyone do the same to them. ill keep watching, best regards.
Edit: Shit i've also lost the ability to have lucid dreams, something i 've done since i've memory, i used it to fill those missing data slots. to simplify: once i got up with solutions now i got up with stomachache.
You need find something spiritual so you can replace it with the lack of meeting people that might help you alot us infj are meant to find the meaning of life and of our existences so finding a spiritual path will help a lot so you can avoid the fake mask, fake love that people put on to get our trust and our attention it's annoying... for your lucid dream you really need a spiritual life this life it's not only physical you have the power to go beyond the human typical experience find answers that you know that always been tickling your mind since birth
This is just amazing! I knew quite a bit about the loop and how we need Fe to get out of it, but the last bit made me finally understand why, despite hunger for knowledge, I find it hard to accept other people's views and become almost defensive, especially if they ask me WHY I cannot accept it. Being asked for a reason right on the spot despite having yet to figure the logic of it out makes me feel helpless, powerless and angry as a result.
It often happens with my INFP SO when he goes into his inferior Te. You can imagine what this looks like probably... Though better not!
Any ideas as to how to discuss differing points of view with an INFP without the whole conversation going down the "Sorry my Ni does not accept you yet" and "I will crush you with my cold logic because you challenged my values" drain? Should the INFJ (me) write down the problem issue, take the INFPs point of view in and think it through on my own and then come back to them? Would be very grateful for your advice!
+Nyanrielle Your idea to write things down etc is a good one. Of course I don't know the context or content of the discussion between you and the INFP, but it may be worth getting down to the "why" of your resistance to the INFPs views. I guess we can accept another persons views without believing in their views.
Thank you! Accepting the differences while having your own opinion, a challenging but very important thing across any personality types!
There are situations where the nI-t eye
loop can be used to solve external problems.
I have used this loop successfully at work to resolve a couple of pesky issues that were affecting my companies fleet of vehicles.
The loop is problematic when we try to solve personal problems with it.
My life!
All this has been normal for me, even since I can even remember. I'm forced to understand no matter what the situation. It's like a force of it's own, I'm connected to what this gift is, it's a mystery to myself, I'm one with it.
Lol, I literally cannot participate in a group discussion. Information overload.
watched in x2
This video helped me immensely since I do better with graphs. Fe caused so much damage in me since my EX hated it. He was mental, verbal and Spiritually abusive. (ESFP) I now know he was so envious and was threatened by my Ni and went into it with also using the shadow functions. Then I would get angry and use my Anima function in the same manner since he was so fast at destruction with his Se dominant. Which he paired with a defense mechanism I could not fight. (He was beating my kids so I did Mama Bear but he abused me so I would be isolated and not use Fe with the Ni with Ti help.) Then it happened when I tried to reason with him. Now I am learning and I wish it would have been earlier how his functions worked. Also, my kids and boyfriend which has helped me a lot.
~ 14:30, yep exactly. Letting it sit there helps.
Here's some theory of mine that I'd love feedback about:
T and F functions represent the ego construct.
N and S functions represent the id or superego constructs depending on their direction.
Ni/Si represent superego.
Ne/Se represent id.
Te/Fe represent ego dependent on external feedback.
Ti/Fi represent ego dependent on internal feedback.
IxxJ is then for instance someone with overdeveloped superego, a moderate ego that is externally dependent and a weak id, i.e. a codependent.
+Gabriel Dennery thanks but to me socionics is weird and garbled. its function descriptions and names appears to but in fact does not match with mbti.
the superego superid etc blocks there I still cannot make sense of.
What do we mean when we say processing complex things ......complex things like .....??
Im stuck in the loop
I hate to say this but sometimes this is such an issue for me it's disabling. It's extremely hard to just live life.
Do any of you other infjs have a form of non verbal Ti ?
We just start our own nation? Things would run so much better don’t you think? No narcissists allowed. No drama queens either.
Have you ever come across INFJs who have Ni and Fi (instead of Ti) as their top two functions?
+Phileos Sophia Strictly speaking the MBTI would say no. However, Fi is considered the INFJ's 6th Shadow Function. I did make a video the potential relationship between Ni and Fi. It is called "INFJ's & INFP's, & the Theory of the 6th Shadow Function": czcams.com/video/jRnhyTCNhv0/video.html . Keep in mind it is only a theory. Hope it helps.
Introvert Power Thank you for the video. I just watched it.
The conclusion I drew from it is that one's true leading function provides a "peaceful clarity" to life whereas the 6th shadow function cheaply satisfies but never all the way? It puts problems at bay but they're always there?
+Phileos Sophia I think what you have said is a great summary of the Ni/Fi dynamic.
Its impossible. It wouldn't be infj, but rather the lovely inTj. Technically every type has all 8 functions but just stacked in differnt positions. Infj carries Fi in its 6th position. If you work with the last 4 function (5 to 8) you doing "shadow work" and your upper functions become subconscious. Its very unhealthy but also revealing.
Loop, the nasty sleep disrupter. My percents show me I lean toward INTJ second to INFJ
You're probably an infj A
what is it about infjs that makes them so spiritual?,alot of gurus,like swami vivekananda,ramakrishna,ekhart tolle,mooji,are all definite infjs?even the buddha,what makes them so spiritual?,and alot of them have theres mystical expeirnces,like ekhart tolle speaks on his ego death,or swami vivekananda talks about visions he had of buddha,ect....why dont you hear so much of intjs who also has dom ni,and even better than ni and fi should this make intjs a bit more spiritual since they can access fi deep emotions?,yet infjs tend to be the 'psychics; or the ones with all theres mystical experinces?
It's simple that the intj doesn't as much emphaty as an infj spiritually demand love
How long can this last?.....if this is true, I am stuck for years...it explains allot
People could spend a life time in NiTi loop, but usually life allows moments to step out or get kicked out of it.
HMM, really struggling to make sense of myself. I always test INTJ on every single mbti or cognitive function test. Every single one I am not exaggerating. The descriptions and video's people explaining the INTJ type fits me really well. It had answered allot of unresolved questions. But not all of them, far from it. There allot of mistyped INFJ's here on CZcams, so it's really hard to find an insightful explanation. Your video's really really resonate with me, to the point that I am getting new insights about myself (thank you for that). Like hitting the light switch in a dark room. Is this because of past trauma, which means it's not really related to mbti, or am I just looping really hard here? Love to read your perspective on it.
Edit: Just got an flash/idea. The reason I am asking you this, is because I did a cognitive function test past week. What I noticed was, High NI/TI but low TE/FE -> INFJ in a loop, with severely underdeveloped FE? The test said that I was likely an INTJ
Theory 2:
Enneagram 1 is Ni
Enneagram 2 is Fe-aux
3 is Fe
4 is Fi
5 is Ti
6 is Te
7 is Ne
8 is Se
9 is Si
INFJ is then 1w2 5w6
INTJ is then 1w9 6w5
ENTP is then 7w8 5w6
ENFP is then 7w8 4w3
ESTP is then 8w7 5w6
ISTJ is then 9w8 6w5 etc.
Hi +yeghor , I wish it was that clear cut.
+Introvert Power what if it is?
Hi +yeghor , I too like to look for patterns similiar to what you are presenting. However, for example INFJ's can be type 4's, 5's 1' and 9's etc. I myself am an INFJ type 4. There is definitely correlation between MBTI and Enneagram. For instance many INFJs are type 4's, and many INFPs are type 5's. However, there is definitely evidence of each MBTI type being represented across the 9 types (some more prominent than others). Just to clarify, are you saying for instance that all INFJs and INTJs are type 1 on the Enneagram? If so, I am saying that the theory is too rigid. In saying all that, I for one like the sorts of investigating that you are doing, I think it can yield interesting and insightful results. :)
Introvert Power enneagram 4s vice is envy and 1s vice is perfectionism.
Do you feel unworthy because you are envious of others or because you've failed to satisfy your ideal of being perfect?
How abıyt rheory 1 in another connent herein by the way?
paranoia someone out there to get you
Are NIFJ TI targeted individuals ...?
Thank you!
You're welcome!