How Did Darth Vader Appear In The Old Republic?
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- How Did Darth Vader Appear In The Old Republic era of Star Wars? That's the question I answer in today's Star Wars short video!
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The Force is so obsessed in the Skywalker lineage it found a way to incorporate them in an era where nobody recognizes them.
The force just snorting the Skywalker bloodline...
The force is like a crazy ex to the Skywalkers
Yeah super annoying actually
Its almost like mamy sw writters are unable to make a story without adding skywalkers for nostalgia.
well of course it is, the force literally made space Jesus with that bloodline
Then cade destroyed the amulet.
Well there goes a Cool Zombie Apocalypse
@@philip1557 oh well.
Cade Skywalker, the true Chad of the Skywalker Lineage.
@@fullaregrets5015 if it doesn’t match your sweater, trade it in for something better”-wise student Stryker
@@philip1557 ”ERM ACTUALLY THERE IS ANOTHER ZOMBIE PLAUGE CALLED PROJECT BLACKWING 🤓”
To be honest I’m not surprised the skywalker name is pretty much cursed
Lol.
Rey better watch out.
@@TheSoulGage she’s a Palpatine
@@cesarcoronel9135 I know, just joking since she decided to take the Skywalker name, lol.
@@TheSoulGage who?
the darkside of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be timeline breaking
Is it possible to learn these time-powers?
@@juliusnebulus7303 not from a disney
Lol.
That's not wrong: timeline-breaking IS unnatural.
I mean it just a vision for what's to come to the Skywalker family.
Daddy Cade saving the galaxy!
Not familiar with the whole timeline whose cade
@@nxtxme1009 pretty sure he is Luke's grandson
@@nxtxme1009 Luke Skywalker’s great-grandson.
@@officerdank4644 *great-grandson. Kol’s son. So Ben’s grandson as well.
@@nxtxme1009 The only character in Destiny who mattered. Well, him and Zabala
Actually Vader appears far earlier for the first time in the timeline, over 25750 BBY in a force vision to Lanoree Brock as she is hunting her brother during a series of force storms on Tython.
Wow.
Holy shit, that’s in the Jed’aii era, right? Damn, that’s some deep lore
@@alexotero7105 yup. It's from Dawn of the Jedi: Into the Void.
Good book, and January LaVoy did a good job voicing the audio book
@@alexander-mauricemillamlae4567 oh boy, I oughta check it out then. Thx mate!
Kind of odd how you have 25,000 years of pre-Imperial history, and then all the biggest figures of those 25,000 years come back as ghosts or frozen people and whatnot. The ghost of that Sith emperor, the Teras Kasi lady who dated the Legions of Lettow guy, Rur of the Terrible Glare, Ulec Qel-Droma talked to Obi-Wan in a video game, I think Naga Sadow's ghost was defeated by some five-year-old Jedi or something, Darth Bane chatted with Yoda. The rise and fall of this Empire that only really lasted like 23 years was apparently such a big deal all the important dead people woke up at once.
The force is a secret member of the Skywalker dynasty
that's basically correct
Not so secret, I bet Luke lies in bed from time to time and thinks to himself 'isn't that kinda weird how the force itself is technically my grandpa?'
The Force was lame at Force-pulling out.
The forc went out one milk after Anakin born
Darth Revan probably saw Rey too because she's a Skywalker
He didn’t exactly appear in the old republic, he literally was a small part of a giant force vision that one person experienced… of course if someone could see the future with the force, they’d see Vader, he’s one of the most crucial figures in galactic history.
For the record Yoda also saw visions of Vader before he existed, granted Anakin Skywalker was alive at that point but he hadn’t turned yet.
Speaking of Anakin, he’s another character that saw Vader before Vader existed… maybe that was a self fulfilling prophecy tho.
Maybe? Isnt that the whole story behind him turning?
Yep.
@@Christall5 Yes, yes it was.
His visit to Mortis had his memories of what he was shown by the brother removed by the father. There's also Palpatines induced dreams which obviously wouldn't have have shown him becoming Dark Vader. I just watch Star wars lore videos so I'm probably missing something from the litany of material out there. Sorry for sounding so verbose. But yeah that's all I could think of. There's that animated Clone Wars show which isn't cannon.
@@joshchacin7742 yes but it’s as much Vader appearing before he existed as it was when he “appeared” in the old republic.
“All of this is happening now.”
It’s stuff like this that makes me love these comics and why Zayne Carrick is my favorite character.
its awesome isnt it. would be such an awesome trilogy.
Korean family drama: some unimportant ppl die
Skywalker family drama : change the fate of their galaxy
The Vector Storylines was one of the best in Legends, connecting several eras from the Sith Exiles, to the KotoR era, to the Dark Times, to the time of the Rebellion, and all the way to the Legacy Era.
And then the masters affiliated with her slaughtered their own Padawan learners out of fear that they would become Vader.
Which led to the best Star Wars storyline ever written.
I'm guessing that SW:Acolyte ripps this off big-time.
Where can we read that
@itstaylor2137 don't recall. It was one of the comics detailing the *Old* Republic. It was so hard keeping track.
@@justincrocker1643 It's the Knights Of The Old Republic series from Dark Horse.
Marvel now owns the rights to all that for reprint purposes and made an "Old Republic Omnibus" collecting like the first twelve issues of the series but it's crazy expensive in physical media.
I think you can do the Marvel All Access and read it through their app if you have a tablet or big monitor.
I can't recommend it enough.
Basically, it's about Padawan screwups Zayne Carrick, who shows up late to his own graduation ceremony to find his class of five other Padawans murdered by their own masters! He flees for his life and is framed for the shocking crime.
Then, Zayne must team up with a con man, a mysterious female warrior, her old father the senile inventor, a rogue Mandalorian and the scum and villany of the galaxy to survive and clear his name! Oh, and the Mando's are invading the Republic, a plague that turns people into monsters is destroying entire worlds and a charismatic Jedi master named Revan is splitting the loyalties of the order to fight the Mando's and save the Republic!
Dave FILONI is a big fan of the series and has had the old trades on his desk during interviews. That whole "Mandalorian is a creed" idea comes from this series.
Here on CZcams, there are great motion comics of the series performed by fans!
What I forget is if Zayne Carrick was an ancestor of the Skywalkers
It's not outright stated that he is, but it's heavily implied.
Freddye Lins, comic editor, said he wasn’t. But can we really trust that?
So that person is Shmi Skywalker's ancestor?
ugh of course he was
in a vast galaxy of hundred if not thousands of planets, and somehow, random characters have to be in some way related to the characters we already know
I like the fan service but it does seem a lil silly
fucking right hand man of Mandalore was ducking cassus FETT
@@koraegi That makes sense though. The Fetts were a powerful and renowned lineage of Mandalorians. The Mandalorians are very clan-based, but various other societies in Star Wars are not.
So the force is the biggest skywalker glazer besides padme.
"the entire skywalker family..and one random guy
Cade is still very much a skywalker.
@@baklapjr i'm talking about zayne carrick.
And everyone in the lower levels of Taris.
@@stevenhedge2850
@@Im-Not-a-Dog No Force vision for you if you just get chewed up and zombified. Force visions are for Great Men of History only, peasant.
There are only few individuals that can hold up with the big players of the Old Republic. But Vader is a worthy successor to Malgus.
Nah Malgus is much more badass me thinks.
@@DnR_2018 Same, but Vader could at least compete with the Sith Lords of old. Not many in the Imperial or Republic Era can claim that.
@@Mediados vader is stronger than the sith of old.
Sidious is supposedly the most powerful sith to have lived. Vader is 80% of sidious power wise by return of the jedi according to Lucas.
Vader was also a better duelist than sidious, and anakin was the best duelist in the galaxy at his time in revenge of the sith.
Anakin is considered to be one of the best, if not the best practitioner of form V lightsaber dueling in all of star wars, and of course vader only improves.
Malgus was strong, and basically unhindered by his injuries unlike vader. Malgus only needed breathing apparatus. Otherwise fit as a fiddle. Vader couldn't raise his arms fully above his head thanks to his suit and injuries, so he had to remove the powerful vertical strikes that form V used so much. He made his own form for dueling to accommodate his injuries.
Vader despite his injuries is stronger than malgus.
The reason vader may not seem as badass as malgus is because everything malgus is shown in, is done in high quality CGI.
The majority of what vader is shown in, is the original films by Lucas. Which have poor choreography and are limited by what real people can do on set.
One things for certain, vader definitely strikes more fear into people than malgus. He's much more intimidating than malgus.
@@trevorveillette8415 Sidious and Vader arent more powerful than the old sith. Lucas has no say over power levels. No creator of a franchise has ever had absolute say over power levels. If Lucas was the only writer, then he'd have all the say in the world. Sidious hasn't done a fraction of what Vitiate had done, vastly pre prime, too. Vader would get slapped by Revan. Dark side Revan already showed superiority to a powerful strike team on Yavin IV. The fact Revan can absorb and redirect lightning that's powerful enough to reduce others to ash without a struggle, is proof of his own superiority over Vader. Kotor Vitiate would reduce Vader to ashes, too. Vitiate's lightning was powerful enough to melt Revans mask on his face and severely overload his tutaminus nearly instant. Sidious has shown nothing remotely similar, let alone Vader
@@trevorveillette8415 Vader is only more intimating than Malgus because Malgus actually had people in the galaxy who could challenge him. Ironically the OG timeline feels like a watered down version of Star Wars compared to The Old Republic to me.
But I mean what George Lucas says in regards to power has no actual meaning because he naturally wants his own characters to be better. But when he allowed other creators to take on Star Wars, he turned the franchise into a collective writing effort.
The force is strong with this channel.
Vector comic book arc for the win!
Shame it also became the unfitting end point for the Rebellion comics. Curse you, Invasion and The Clone Wars 2008 comics!
So much love mate, these are still canon in my head.
I love invasion but loathe anything related to 2008 clone wars
Dude is so powerful he appeared in a completely different timeline 😬
Do some of you people just not watch videos first before commenting?
The fact that Anakin was planned by the force so far ahead
If the force was able to plan for Anakin, then what's that say about the force ? If you it knew and didn't stop or alter the chain events that would lead up to Anakin and the creation of Vader. That would be evil to plan out dark events that far into the future. Events that the force caused and set in motion to . Makes me question the force completely
@@acecombatmercis the force.. Aizen? Because Aizen did the same thing, but… DAMN the force is way more smarter than Aizen.
Ok dude a person having a glimpse of a possible future, is not the same as Luke and Vader APPEARING in the old republic, that makes it sound like they did some time travel mumbo jumbo
Yeah, imagine Vader in the Old Republic.. he'd slay everyone in the Mandalorian war without ever needing to ignite his lightsaber..
@@arkangelgaming35 bruh i can just imagine Vader literally just slapping everyone who comes at him one after another
@@gwwarriors9945 Like that video of that dude slapping everyone, his friends, his wife, his kids and friends kids, the cops, everyone.
To me he explained it perfectly. As in it was a vision of someone that didn't exist then
It isn't a glimpse of a possible future, it's a vision of the future.
Darth Vader was jump scaring people before he even existed.
Imagine if they made a movie about the rackgul plague
imagine if the force was the leftovers of an ancient plague
it’d be brutal, but pretty damn cool.
What would be the narrative hook? Story-wise, character-wise, what would make it one of the most exciting stories to put on screen, other than just dumping some Legends action figures on screen?
Kriea even had visions of him
Luke Skywalker be lookin like Handsome Squidward on that vision
Darth-Vader
Across the Vader-Verse
That would be a decent story arc to see done.
"Anakin, no! You can't save Annikin's Padme. It's a canon event."
LET'S GO CADE SKYWALKER MENTIONED RAAAAAAAAAA WTF IS MID 🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
The Force actively promotes cameos, even for future nostalgia.
Yeah, no. That was a vision of all the individuals who'll come into contact with the Muur Talisman and/or Rakghoul Plague, one way or the other.
"The entire Skywalker family, which is did"
Guess Leia isn't a Skywalker
Leia is a Skywalker
@@WUxze _Nuh-uh._
She's the secret lovechild of an Organa and a Mothma. Luke missed out on a 9/10 'cause of a misunderstanding. :face_exhaling:
@@coreyander286 And What about a
Shmi
Oc a force seer would see Vader and Luke. They are the two most important men of ALL time in the Star Wars universe.
Celeste morne was a baddie
The force has always allowed one to see the pass and future .
Ayo I have this issue, even had cade Skywalker in it. I bought in a gas station, not saying that cause it's crap some gas stations in my province used to sell older issues of comics well past their run for much cheaper than actual comic stores.
An old Republic Jedi seeing the downfall of the Jedi order in a vision
Yep, a subseries within a two other series. Vector IIRC. Quite the wonder, isn't it? I'm glad I didn't miss out on this.
*it happened because they had some excuse to fit nostalgia in a timeline 3000 years BBY*
I mean, Cal Kestis did it
Disney misstepped trying to move away from the Skywalker bloodline.
That's why the force did not like Disney and curse theme
there are good stories without the skywalkers like the old republic and the disney movies were actually repeating many plot points from the originals using the actors from the original to play on your nostalgia and pretending that Rey can be 'skywalker' even though she is palpatine because skywalker is a mantle or other symbolic crap.
@@olmeno I agree on the Old Republic...if Disney respected the original creators by making stories in the Old Republic. Instead they created a woke, shallower version of the Old Republic called the High Republic. And since they had the creative bankrupt temerity to do this I'm not holding out any hope for OR films/shows.
@@ethrsag735 Is wokeness the defining factor of the High Republic? If we investigated the High Republic and found that wokeness only cropped up now and then in the form of "this green girl says she's asexual", and that the reasons the High Republic is bad has to do with how they decided to tell a story and pick themes and stuff, could you still say it's bad "because it's woke"?
Like, explain how the entire overarching story with the Starlight Beacon and the Nihil and all that and seeing how Jedi are tested to their limits setting them onto the path of the calcified Order of the prequel trilogy is the natural conclusion of wokeness. Are the Nihil supposed to be conservatives? Is hyperspace systemic racism? I don't think so.
Get your head out of the bantha's rear.
@@coreyander286 Not the defining factor, just half of it since the HR is Disney's way of making their own version of the Old Republic so they can have copyrights over it since they are unable to do they same with the Old Republic.
The Force is as much obsessed in the Skywalker lineage than Disney was about shoving Rey-Mary Sue in our throats.
How can it not; that is its children
Well so much for my TIME MACHINE
THEORY😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Who agrees a trilogy where Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker appear during revans Era and done right would rival the original trilogy greatness?
Not me
I mean why. The KOTOR I and II guys made Revan, the Exile, Kreia for specific narrative goals. It was a self-contained story that _thematically_ foreshadowed the films but otherwise only connected to past and future as normal history does.
Throwing Luke and Vader through a time portal back then is just mashing actions figures together. It's like when George Lucas visited a game dev studio working on a Maul game, saw Darth Talon in a comic book, and said "Can you have this character fight Maul", and they say, "That's from a comic set 100 years ABY", and Lucas says "So?" and then they have to rewrite the game's story so it's about a clone of Maul woken up in Darth Talon's era fighting the One Sith.
But I guess if you say "if done right" you can't have a bad idea.
The prophecy of the chosen one, that has been shown but not understand.
So to answer the clickbait title;
In the visions of a future-seeing jedi
I hate disney lucasfilm, I hate disney lucasfilm.
Nah he real reason was bcuz that damn ezra was playing with his portals again
Ezra is from canon stars wars while this is from legends
That portal scene was so beautiful until I heard Kylo ren and rey. My smile and tears of joy went to a frown and actually crying because of how cringe kylos voice is. They really ruined the end of the show by incorporating them.
@@umpxfajmzann I'm sorry but if the sequels can bring you to actual crying, maybe step away from star wars from a while.
@@lordnazar6382 I didn't actually cry idiot.
@@lordnazar6382 it was an awesome scene besides that bs they pulled though. It actually did make me cringe
It was such a cool storyline that added such a fascinating layer of depth and cohesion to the universe
ehhh, it just gave a origin to the rhakghouls, and a character that is constantly frozen at the end of each book because of the various time gaps.
@@stevenhedge2850 No, Celeste Morne wasn't "constantly frozen at the end of each book". The Muur Talisman grants the wearer immortality and eternal youth, it's just that she was frozen for nearly 4,000 years BBY until she was awoken by Vader during the Dark Times Era; which took place/is set mere months after ROTS.
@@FMK03 you're taking "frozen" too ltieartlly. she was put in stasis at the end of the kotor arc, woke up by vader, was put into stasis again, and didn't get put out of stasis for the legacy run. so yes: Frozen after the end of each book.
@@stevenhedge2850 So, like most characters at the end of most stories? I apologize for not considering this.
How did it add depth and cohesion? It seems a bit tacky to me. At some point, I guess in Tales of the Jedi, rhakgouls are introduced. Cool. Another Star Wars-y beast like dianogas or rancors, with a zombie twist. KOTOR occurs after Tales, so you can add them in there.
But why does anyone need to know that they popped up during the lifetimes of Vader and Luke and the talisman that controlled them was broken by Cade? What does that add to the universe, on a... spiritual level? Why not just understand that rhakgouls are running around in the dark corners of the galaxy, like all the other big creepy crawlies of the galaxy?
Do we need a story about how the first Sith to breed dianogas came to regret their creation, turn to the light side and work for their eradication, and have a story about how his Force ghost watches over the millennia until Ania Solo hunts down the last dianoga? That's not storytelling, that's going down a checklist, it's an Excel spreadsheet.
"How did Darth Vader appear in the Old Republic?"
Uh, Im guessing some bullshit?
Before watching video: *TIME TRAVEL???* 🤯🤯🤯
After watching: oh 😔
The force is so clingy to the Skywalker lineage.
That is its family
I never knew the rakghouls were caused by a sith amulet. I always just that Taris was just a nasty ghetto dirty ass planet and the rakghoul disease was basically their version of the plague.
I think Karness Muur was the one who engineered the Rakghoul Plague. However, after discovering Force-Sensitives along with certain other aliens were immune to the effects of the Talisman turning certain species of aliens and humans into Rakghouls. He then engineered a way for Rakghouls to transmit the plague through bites or scratches.
I heard of the Muur talisman and the Rakghoul plague before.
That’s pretty cool!
Bruh the whole Rakghoul Plague is so messed up.
People really strong in the force such as Yoda can see the future in a way like when Luke leaves Yoda tells force ghost Obi-Wan that he’s not the chosen one
2006-2010 was wild dude
they really said "Nah imma do my own thing"
Finally, an appearance of me.
I read this comic Kade Luke anakin and the Jedi that was a main character the comic was star wars knights of the old republic
To give you an idea of how crazy this is. This would bassicly be the equivalent of Ancient Sumerians writing about Hitler
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I hate how Revan isn’t to known in the old republic:( he and Malik were stepping stones and gems for that time line. And because there wasn’t rule of 2 yet( I believe might be wrong on that) and then there’s the dude who can devour planets with his force abilities 😭 also a major point in that era cause Revan went to fight him when he was a Jedi Master
You right. The rule of two, made by Darth Bane was not made yet. Tho Revan did make his own rule of two, and was the inspiration of Bane's rule of two.
god thats so fucking stupid, Vader doesnt need to be a planewalking god
That's not it at all. The talisman contained the essence of an old Sith that would corrupt and eventually take over whoever wore it. Her vision was (big surprise) not exactly crystal clear and Vader saw the danger of the talisman, Luke avoided it with some help and Cade destroyed it (long after Luke's lifetime).
Did you not watch the video?
FYI, Zayne Carrick is in that vision with the Skywalkers for a reason. Its cannon that Zayne is Sheme Skywalkers direct ancestor.
At this point I would be suprised if the Skywalkers are just offsprings of the force itself.
Anakin kinda is
Anakin twchnically is. The comparison to Jesus christ is apt.
@Aceshot-uu7yx Jesus Christ if Jesus freaked out and slaughtered everyone in Jerusalem for Satan and spent the rest of his life as his servant?
It's not really surprising that somebody back then would see the Skywalkers so long before they even existed. The Force was clearly planning on making them long before it actually did, and it shows. The Skywalkers are just built different when it comes to Force connection.
Seems like an interesting series
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Cade destroyed the amulet
Such a badass thing, lol.
My question is; is the person Barriss referred to saying that she has a friend who can help Ahsoka? Does Ahsoka know Barriss is still alive? If Ahsoka knows Barriss is alive, have they reconciled?
I'd love to see a dark series adaption of the legacy comic series on cade Skywalker. Unfortunately he can't be cannon now
He's still canon, he's just canon to a different timeline. Legends is still being written, very gradually, in Old Republic updates and every now and then something like the special edition revival of the Marvel comics that started in '77. There may come a time where they choose to have authors continue loose threads from Legends stuff.
For that matter, they could rename him Cade Sunrider and have him go on adventures in the post-sequel-trilogy era of Disney canon.
It’s weird how many people won’t read the comics but spend months waiting for tv series to come out.
The force after the birth of Anakin Skywalker: luke,lei,Ben whatever man just keep bringing me that
What music are you using at 1:09?
This didn’t really explain anything but in my Star Wars Fanfic my main character Jordan Mars uses a time machine Force ability to go in the past I can imagine that’s how Darth Vader and Luke ended up in the old republic era.
honestly if spirituality is anything like the force (yes it was based off of zen and tao, but also aspects of buddhism) but more importantly it would make a lot of sense why stuff is confusing because it spans time as well as space
Interesting 🧐
Revan vs anakin skywalker afer he completed his training would be a very interesting fight.
A full power/balanced Anakin would stomp anything that breathes. Revan is OP af because he's the player character and because of that alone
Vader would whoop Revans ass, full potential Anakin would deatomize Revan and send his remnants back to Bioware and EA and tell them to try again.
Lol Vader would immediately get rocked by Revan. Anakin as a jedi guardian was not as adept in the force as Revan. Also, Revan knows both the light and dark side of the force. But hey if you’re a typical Vader fanboy more power to you!
@@eastzilla4282 we’re talking about Anakin/Vader if he reached his full potential.
@@eastzilla4282 Don't overestimate Revan. I love him, but full potential Skywalker would toss Revan with very little effort.
flow walking?
'How did Darth Vader Appear'
Definition of Appear: come into sight; become visible or noticeable, typically without visible agent or apparent cause.
It was a force vision (a dream out a permonition) from someone else about the future and he Didn't just appear.
Click bait and a lie much?
Kathleen will bring back Cade, inspite of the Skywalker Bloodline's Extinction.
I just sum it up to the Force having no concept of time. If anything, the Force happens in the past, present, and future all at once and anyone can get a glimpse of the past and future.
Fun fact: Palpatine bombed kamino after order 66 😊
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So they didn’t, someone had a vision of the future.
Damn
COOL
Skywalkers and Joestars are hella similar when I think about it
Cade ❤
I believe it was actually called the "Moop Talisman".
Muur Talisman, actually.
@@FMK03
It's a misprint!
the what amulet
of course the skywalkers always appear there bloodline is severly strong in the force i belive revan was also a skywalker to in somepoint in history revan was considered a sklywalker
Revan is not, has not, probably never will be, a Skywalker.
Disney is cringe.
who asked
Muir's talisman
Less appears and were seen in a force vision
This is why rey sucks. We were deprived of an awesome amazing incredible lineage.
..a lineage of two characters we already knew about, and a drug addict? yeah. how thrilling.
Rey was a Palpatine. How is the Skywalker lineage her fault? You wanted Mara Jade?
Yep.
What about Cade being descended from Luke, or Rey being descended from Luke if they'd picked that choice, really makes it incredible? Does two characters being related to each other really do any work in making a compelling story?
Luke being Vader's son did work making a compelling story, but that's because of the specifics of Luke hinging his identity on a false story of events and the possibility for Vader's redemption. Later on, authors and storywriters just started to drop family connections because "that's what we do in Star Wars, isn't it?" unthinkingly.
Rian Johnson was 100% right to go down the "Rey Nobody" path. J. J. Abrams succumbed to the dark side in making Rey related to an important historical figure. He succumbed in part due to the pleading of fans who have no idea why the thing they like so much was good in the first place.
WHAT!?!
God legends is so goofy sometimes
Whats the Ragdoll Plague and how did it affect the Skywalker family?
Its the Rakghoul Plague, and its a long story.
If you've played KTOR, they're the mutant things you fight on Taris.