Did Turbos KILL the V8 Ferrari? Ferrari F8 Spider vs Ferrari 458 Spider
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
- A huge thanks to Fred for letting me review both his Ferrari F8 and his Ferrari 458.
The big question in the Ferrari world, did the Turbos kill the V8 Ferrari? Did it lose it's soul? Let's compare the latest and greatest Ferrari F8 spider versus what may be the greatest Ferrari of all time, the 458 spider. Will the lack of sound make the F8 not as desirable? Will the extra performance of the F8 make the sound irrelevant?
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The 458 will absolutely be a future classic, we are already seeing that now with the rising values.
True.
That dance scene at the end had me trying to tuck $1 bills into the tv! There is no greater unselfish friend in the world than Fred letting us drive his brand new F8 spider in the most glorious color, thank you so much Fred! Memories to last forever!
Lol yes Fred is an outstanding guy.
Carey, I love you boys! If I can't share this moment with you, then who could I share it with? Besides, you guys would do the same for me!
Will a dollar make him holla?!?
Can you believe it's been over a decade since the 458 first launched, Man such a beautiful car hasn't aged a day since it's release
Yeah it still looks brand new
For me the sound is everything in sports cars that is why I have never liked McLaren cars they feel dull and Ferraris have become like McLaren so yes Ferrari lost its soul. those cars are insanely fast so it doesn't matter if there is a 150 or 200 horsepower difference and performance is something appreciated on the track by experts not normal people who buy Ferraris to enjoy the drive in the city.
Sound is very important
I totally agree
its almost like they took the easier path to getting more horsepower out of the car by adding the turbos. The other way would probably increase the engine capacity into "bull" territory.
This is spot on! For me the pinnacle of Ferrari was the 458, the last naturally-aspirated V8. Twin turbo engines don’t sound the same as a full throttle naturally aspirated V8. What’s really sad is the day when everyone has an electric car with engine sounds artificially piped in to remind us of better times. Yikes.
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Dan, this was an excellent comparison of the two vehicles. It really shows how far Ferrari has come and what they have improved on over the years. I know that a lot of people like the 458; however, the F8 is a phenomenal car!
Yeah it's really quite impressive. I love both
The 458 is better keeping stock or maybe just modding the exhaust. The turbo cars 488 to f8 and beyond is screaming to get modded with bigger turbos, exhaust and tune like the gintani 488. They're both different kinds of fun. I would love to be blessed owning both of them one day.
WOW! And I thought my 1990 Testarossa was fast! I have not had a Ferrari in years, now after watching this vid and others where others have also said the F8 was almost too fast for the road I think it would be more fun to own a 458 than F8 and save a bunch of coin in the process! Thanks for the excellent comparison.
You're welcome
I would take the 458 for sure. The sound bugs me on the F8. Much Faster? Yes but emotion? Not so much without the roar. Plus like you say, the 458 looks like the car came out in 2021. I think the design of it will last still for a long time.
The design certainly is timeless.
I haven't had the privilege of driving an F8 but I love my 458 because I feel totally in control at all times I've driven cars that are overpowered and always was afraid I was going to die in them I would love to put my foot to the floor and know that I have it under control at all times so for that reason I'll probably Enjoy my 458 for quite a long time. Thanks for the great video was a lot of fun.
You're welcome
They are both cool in their own way. I personally love them both, but I am going to sell the 458 Spider and get an Speciale Aperta. BTW, you have a really cool channel and a nice 458!
I wish I could explain with words the feeling I had when driving the 458 around the track in Vegas. The sound outside the car is nothing like when you’re inside.
Loved this video so much I had to watch it a few more times! Love these comparison videos Dan! Keep them coming if you can!
You bet!
Great review! I appreciate you and your colleague sharing these wonderful automobiles with us.
You're welcome
No, but like you said, it's a preference thing. I love turbos and torque. I like to ride the torque wave. Yes the 458 sounds better, but a good exhaust will get you close enough for the F8.
Correct!
can't agree we had 2 f8s 1 stock 1 with novitec exhaust but it was basicly same
Fred is nuts, I love it!
Lol yes
For me only reason would have the 458 because its naturally aspirated and sounds so good.
Yup
This is crazy! How come I didn't see this video until now? Great content here Dan! I have been a long time for you to compare these two cars. 👍🙌
Thanks!
Just like Fred, I would want to own both! It is hard to choose just one.
Right? That's the best choice
Don't be dumb! A non billionaire would chose the F8 with its 4 year warranty & SEVEN year paid for Service Plan. Which is transferable should you sell the car on. On the risk & reward ratio keep it real. Lose least money over most time. Enjoy.
@@kevinburke6743 It's actually a 3 year unlimited mile warranty, which is the base warranty. Then, once it's over the service center tries to sell you an extended warranty which requires a 120 point inspection of the vehicle.
I keep my 458 spider and even now bring it to Tokyo from hongkong. As a Ferrari fans，its not all just about speed and performannce is just way different whihch since 488. To be hon, getting a 296 gtsis not difficult but it’s different at all. Cheers for all whom own 458. Best wishes
Yes for sure
Awesome review Dan!
Thanks
great video as always! but can we have a closer look on that beetle cab plz !😍
Ha!
Very nice overview of these cars Dan.
Thank you
@@normalguysupercar My pleasure!
Thanks for another informative and entertaining video
You're welcome
turbo charged engines sound differant to naturally asperated engines, plumbing, exhaust route versus header pipes direct to exhaust, thats a given
It looks like you were having a really good time making this one! Great review buddy! Now you need to compare the F8 to the 488. 👼
I would love to
Once again another great video!
Thanks
Great content!
Thank you
Cool video Dan!
Thanks!
I loved the pininfarina designed cars, I really think it gave the cars class having the design house badge on it. I really enjoy your videos Dan.
Yup
Your Best CZcams video of 2021 … this is what viewers want
You're welcome!
Good stuff, Dan!
Thanks
458 > F8
The 458 is the pinnacle of a V8 Ferrari. It's the Last true Ferrari. Ferrari now just make fast cars with no soul that have a Ferrari badge.
Quite possible correct
I love your VS series.
Thank you
I think that turbos are ok, but a normally aspirated engine is just so much better. I have been told that turbos are a lame excuse for horsepower just as two-story homes are a poor excuse for square footage. Love the racing footage, would appreciate more of that instead of the wrenching videos.
Thanks
I think preferences are also dependent upon where you are driving as well. Out West, where roads are straighter and the consequences of making a mistake are less, you can utilize more of the power in the F8. Where I drive, in the mountains of the Blue Ridge, the F8 would not be as much fun as a car you can utilize more of the HP, like the 458. I've had more fun driving cars where I can utilize nearly all of the HP and handling the car can give than in cars where there was so much power, you have to short shift it. Even my F430 has more power than the roads I drive can really handle, but its nowhere near an F8.
Lastly, geography can shape the sound envelope even more. In the Blue Ridge, you get an enclosed envelope of trees, bushes, leaves etc that dramatically increases sound volume on a car compared to where you were driving. While I like the looks of the F8 the best, Pista even more, the 430 and 458 are designed more for my environment than the F8 and the 430 over the 458 in the Blue Ridge. The 458 will be my next car, but it will end there for me.
Nice fair and balanced review, but I did notice that up and until the rolling race, you did seem to be having more fun in the F8, judging by your facial expressions.
That's a fair point. I may have smiled more because I'm used to the 458...
Lolol.... the dance was awesome !!! You are blessed Fred !!!! Congratulations !!! The emotional element is lacking for me....The F8 NEEDS an exhaust....its the only thing it needs, imo, for it to be The Complete Package !!!! My goodness it's fast !!! Great review Dan....
Thank you
Thanks Deuce!!!
Both are awesome. With this combination of cars you have the best from both worlds, N/A and turbo 😎
True!
Fred's song and dance has to be the new intro music, please make it so.
Lol
That race wasn't even close. I think that the F8 is 0-62 in 2.8 seconds and the 458 spider is 0-62 in 3.3 or 3.4 seconds. You don't know how much of a big difference it makes until you race.
Yeah once they are side by side that difference looks huge
@@normalguysupercar Yes!
I enjoyed the review. I hope Fred will drive his cars more.
I agree. Fred, drive more damn you!
Good ol’ Carbon Canyon road. Excellent if you can avoid the traffic
Yes indeed
My favorite part was the racing in the street. It really shows the differenced in the sound of the engines.
Yup
Just get the Novitec exhaust on the F8. That will help the sound.
Indeed
Great comparison.....The F8 Spider is probably too much of a beast for the street. You could get a nice 458 Spider and a Portofino ( daily driver! ) for a little more than the crazy prices the F8 is going for.
Totally agree
I seriously tend to agree with this.
One of the reasons why I went backwards and bought a visceral Ferrari f430.
Too much refinement is ruining everything.
As well as the cost for such refinement.
Car makers don't know when to stop It's like putting extra brush strokes on the Mona Lisa It's not necessary.
I like many others by cars for the visceral feeling and if this is your cup of tea more power to you.
We have a GTR with twin turbos pretty much all we need and it's all wheel drive.
All the other vehicles are for the experience. 👍
Yeah sometimes more isn't better
Great review Dan.My favorite line'Iam gonna turn off the stupid auto on auto off" Cant believe a Ferrari would have that.But you know its more important to save a 1/2 gallon of Petrol a week then safety.Thank you Government,your here to help us.
Yeah that's an annoying "feature"
Very good video… if you aren’t a Ferrari guy, its tough to identify them at a glance nowadays.
I suppose that's true but I could say the same about many brands
For me it's the 458 italia, Nothing not even a turbo F8, can match or come cloe to that Beautiful Orchestra and Symphony of the Naturaly Aspirated V8 458 Engine ❤
Yeah it's hard to beat
You used my glorious comment I made about your exhaust a few days ago. 👍😉
Haha
Great review. FYI...torque is measured in lb-ft, not ft-lb
Whatever. It's the all the same
You hit this review right on the nose Dan baby!
Thanks
The red one is my dream sports car. I love the 458 spider red on red/black.
Nice
My only complain with the F8 is it doesn't sound the part other than that phenomenal car
Yup
Cray cray I don't give a cr@p about nothing rich guy dance at the end.
Ha!
I love the 458, but i take the F8 for sure! After I drove the F8 I was in love with what an amazing car! Especially the one I drove that had a straight exhaust! Good content mate
Yeah I'm a fan
I don't really care about the sound or the speed, I like cars that are pretty and that yellow is absolutely stunning!
The yellow is amazing
As an owner of a Ferrari 458 spyder and many other Ferrari’s I will say it’s a better looking car to the F8 tributo but good stuff 👍
Thanks
Ketchup and mustard. Both legends just preference.
Lol yup!
I just dont get ehy this channel hasnt yet exploded
Because we're not drama focused and don't really use much click bait
I love the drag racing! More drag racing!!!
Thanks
Is that a special paint job or does that yellow come from the Ferrari factory? It is so pretty!
It's a special color
I can’t help it keep commenting. I learned my lesson on buying fast cars. That is how I’ve gotten my first McLaren. I traded my Lamborghini super Valachi roadster for a McLaren big mistake. I was impressed when I saw it on drag times destroying the Lamborghini. Speed is not everything there is no comparison to the sound drama the naturally aspirated engine has. After all the Ferrari 458 as fast enough where are you going to be driving it so fast unless you’re on the track. I’ll take the 458 with Capristo exhaust any day
Yup
Most people can’t manage 400hp, and still talking about more HP and performance in the F8. The real deal here is the soul and passion that a 458 has and the F8 Don’t. Not only because of the sound and feel, but because of the perfection of the design of Pininfarina with this and the F12, their real last Ferraris.
Yeah
I’m sorry I have driven everything from LAMBORGHINI super Valachi 2458 Ferrari spider with Novotel exhaust. I also had several McLaren 720 S spiders with upgraded exhaust system. Nothing compares to the Ferrari 458 with Capristo exhaust. You will never get close to that magnificent sound and experience
It's certainly a neat perfect car
@@normalguysupercar Don’t get me wrong I like it it’s just that I have a special place in my heart for naturally aspirated engines and always well
Si je peux m'offrir une seule Ferrari une seule fois dans ma vie, ce serait incontestablement la Ferrari 458 pour son divin design, sa silhouette....! Intemporel. Quelle Beauté !
The 458 is pretty much the best car ever made in my opinion.
This video is a winner! For sure!
Thanks
Yes! I am of the persuasion that newer is not always better. I prefer the styling of the 458. The turbos ruined the sound.
Yeah
458 vs 488 would've been a better comparison for the turbo transition and i believe the marketplace has made its decision. 458 bumps right up to 488 prices even though 488 is newer. i predict as the F8 ages it will also drop to 458 prices and when both cars are past 20 years age the 458 will be the more expensive and desirable car.
I've done that video too...
What is up with Fred's goofy song and dance at the end of this video? Is it his version of your outro? 😛
Lol yes
No , it just made them a lot faster. I miss the NA motors too but it’s always easy to make big power for FI
Yup
@@normalguysupercar I love em all mate. Just a big fan of cars like you. Good content mate. 😊
I will never sell my 2013 Ferrari 458 Spider because the 488 nor the F8 tributo can match the pure engine emotion of the 458 and I will be buying the new corvette Z06 to add to my collection because it’s sounds like my 458 and faster then a F8 tributo and a 1/3 the price ..
I'm not sure it's faster than the f8
@@normalguysupercar ZO6 is 2.6 0-60 and FYI I’m a pure Ferrari guy waiting for my 812 GTS and done with Ferrari after that .
Wow, that house though! 😍🥰
Yeah it's nice
I still want the 458 😃. Fred is going to let me drive the F8 ..so we’ll see how I feel after that 🏎💨💨
Yeah they both are amazing
Half the point of these exotic cars is the sound and looks. You can find the same level of performance in a cheaper car, so its about how the car makes you feel. The Ferrari 458 is probably a better exotic car because it sounds louder/raw and is fast enough. I would also bet in the long term the 458 will be more desirable as a classic car as well.
I think it certainly will be considered one of the best of all time
Love that there is a check engine light. Is that normal on a Ferrari?
When it's not running it is.
@@normalguysupercar You fired up the first one(n/a V8) and it still had the check engine light didn't you? If not, my apologies for getting it so wrong.
@@hamsterbrigade all Ferraris the CEL stays on for about 30 seconds after you start it
Leather ! = I have a theory about Ferrari interiors & shrinking leather especially - the dash, seats etc.
Italy has some very hot regions also, so I dont think that the issue is just heat per se.
My Ferrari & most in UK are fine on leather. But ! many states in USA west coast & Midwest at least are super DRY as well as hot sometimes.
I have been all over & some places, summer & winter are incredibly dry - there is no moisture in the air - you get some massive static shocks getting out of your car - and this is what I reckon does for Italian leather - not just the sunshine - its the lack of moisture. Just my 2 cents !
You might be right
F8 is Ferrari trying to figure out how to do their own design 2 generations later, and still they are evolving off the pininfarina….with the exception of the pista the design has been going downhill since 2015, speciale included
The Pista is pretty. I think that was a good one.
Great comparison Dan! For me the only drawback to the 458 is the lack of 4 tailights.
Yup same here
IMO no, Turbo's have not killed the V8 Ferrari. Ferrari has been forced to adapt to the market. Change is good. One of the most iconic Ferraris is a Turbo car, the F40. Now with Turbo cars, Ferrari can compete on performance against the competition. Competition has helped Ferrari bring higher hp V8 cars to market that are uniquely Ferrari. The NSX helped bring about the F355 and the 360/430. The McLarens and other competitors helped bring about the 458 and 488/F8. Soon I believe, if you don't have hybrid power you won't be competing at the top. I also think new noise regulations has muted all cars more than the switch to Turbos. Just add a quality exhaust to most any car and the sound is back. For some the F8 is more of a challenge to drive fast, that is a good thing. However, they person that isn't going to push the F8 anyway and make it move around still gets the car they can drive too. The entry level Ferrari has always been a used Ferrari for some. Now, they are just more expensive than ever and way faster. LOL
Lol yup
I was at the Ferrari dealership and I saw somebody test driving an f8 it was so disappointing the pedestrian sound coming from it
It needs an exhaust badly
How about neither of these, I am waiting for your Lambo baby!
Lol that's acceptable
I would say side intakes are major design difference! Also a homage to 308.
Indeed
Nice running shoes
Thanks!
Would be interesting to see what you think of the 488 vs the F8. But it seems like if you want speed F8 and stroll 458 of course both comfort with one trying to kill you of course. 😂😍
Indeed
Which one is trying to kill you?
Dan, very cool video. Thank you. I have 458 and I feel it is very fast. Not sure I want a faster car. I agree with you that it's easier to drive it fast without killing you. However, I love the f8 look especially from the back.
Yeah the f8 is a stunning car.
The body panel gap @ 1:43 looks bad and @ 1:57 the panel line looks good on the left but the right side looks off. Was the car in an accident?
Nope, that's Ferrari for you. My 488 GTB... same thing, panel gaps suck and if it bugs you enough you could take it in for warranty and they will fix it for you.
No, no accident... I noticed it when I first got the car as well.... some of the gapping sucks... same with my 458...
That's just Ferrari
Takeoff timestamps (best one imo)
458 Spider: 17:03
F8 Spider: 24:54
Thanks
Cool vid Dan:)
To each their own.
The difference is massive imo. There is so much scuttle shake in the 458 that it ruins the experience. Both the 488 and F8 Spider are much better in this regard.
The steering is better in the F8. Both have way too much understeer, but the feel of the F8 is vastly improved.
Rattles and squeaks. To different cars with the F8 on a different level.
Brakes in the 458 lacks cooling, badly. By comparison the 458 brakes feel wooden. The F8 brakes still need a proper track pad for track work, but overall they are much better. Both still lack a proper feel of modulation.
Design is obviously personal. To me the 458 has grown pretty stale and I can see why Luca wanted an in-house design studio.
To me sound is secondary. J'm in it for the drive, not the sound and attention. If I want sound, my 812 GTS has that in spades seeing it has sports cats and a GPF delete.
To each their own. I think the 458 is rather overhyped and both successors are better and more fun cars.
Good analysis. Thanks
I could be wrong, but my first impression of the F8 is the back end looks like a lotus, the 458 from a distance you know its a Ferrari. I like the front design though.
True but I'm glad they went back to quad tail lights
458 Speciale (2013) was probably the last Pininfarina car, however... F12 was the last body to be designed by Pininfarina
Ah
can U ever test the 458 Aperta
If someone lets me borrow theirs sure
Dan, congrats on hitting 69k subscribers!! 69 dude!!
Nice
The 458 will always be better than any new Ferrari based on its screaming V8, turbos take all the best sound away
Quite possibly so
Ferrari placed the glove compartment button in that location to deter Valets from stealing items from it.
Yeah
Are the dimensions of these two cars the same? It almost looks like the F8 is a bit bigger? I could be wrong. 😬
It is slightly larger I believe
Captain Obvious here: the F8 performance in impressive, while the 458 sound is better. I'm thinking a good exhaust on the F8 might bridge part of that gap for a lot less than the required performance mods to the 458. Then again, it's like the Jennifer Aniston/Angelina Jolie comparison and we all want to be Brad Pitt.....
Lol!!
I think that both cars are great.
Pretty much.
As stunning as the F8 and 488GTB look they are more similar to each other than they are to the glorious 458… the body styles speak more than the 458’s does there’s a lot going on, but I do prefer the simplicity of the 458 and the NA V8 that screams. Even wit the extra horsepower from the 488 and on top of that rhe F8 o still think the 458 would be better all around for a daily and can run at the track. You only really notice the difference in speed on the straights with the extra horsepower but the 458 is more nimble and playful.
With engines getting smaller in the hybrid world nowadays, you have to use turbos for performance.
Basically
At 17:38...I felt it move
Lol
There's something about DCT up shifts that are just lacking in drama. It is too robotic, too perfect. Give me single clutch cars all day.
There certainly is more drama with the single clutch
I still prefer the 458 sound, but i like the F8 craziness. Oh,what the hell has Fred smoke?! Haha
Lol