454 Big-Block vs 6.0L Diesel Pulling Test! BeamNG. Drive
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- čas přidán 26. 08. 2024
- Gasoline vs Diesel once again, but with a much smaller displacement difference!
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Chevy 454's are good good engines irl
But they got shit gas mileage
Yeah we have one in our 22 wellcraft nova spyder making 658hp and it can go at least 60 mph
@@tylergares8794 its not built for mileage if its got a 7.4L engine hahaha
They are lacking torque in the very low range. The heads have shit ports so they slapped massive cams in to compensate and then they lost low end. Ford 460/ Chrysler 440 is a better design engine. But the 454 is still good
@@paulcochran3780 depends on which heads and what gen 454 you have
Diesels are underpowered in this game
They are. I’d recommend getting the “turbo everything” mod which will allow you to change parts of the turbo itself to get them to work better with the diesels.
Should have tested the 6.9 against the 6.0. See how they stack up with different upgrades, vanilla to vanilla.
this is the content type that I watch over and over again and not get bored
I wonder why the diesel motors in this game don’t make peak torque at 2000rpm like in real life, that thing should be pulling that load better at low rpms.
@parkerbethke please keep us updated
Torque gets you going and hp keeps you going, that's why the 454 won!!!
@@jeffcolt9185 hp is just a calculated number from torque and rpm.
@@bence.gabor.slezak I've driven both trucks, the truck with the big block gas engine was way more powerful to drive, worst fuel mileage but I didn't care how about that, I like the feel of a Torquie big block that can still turn high RPM
@@jeffcolt9185 no, lol
The 6.0 was only making 6 pounds of boost, Stock they make 20 plus.
The 2020 models with the 6.7 probably make almost twice that.
@@chanshadeez2303 my father's gmc was pushing 37 pounds
its an ingame engine not modded meaning its not based on a real engine in any way
Turbo Big block vs Turbo Diesel. That's a conversation the Diesel guys constantly try to avoid 😏
Probably because in the real world people dont tow with turbo 454s for a reason
@@brim5204 a diesel will lose in every category against a turbo big block
Personally owning a 454 bbc in a 78 c30 it’s actually realistic on the power bottom end has a ton of torque
Man your comment made me realize I have a very dirty mind.
I have an 83 K30 dually with the small block. Man I don't know why chevy put 350s in any of these 1 tons. A small block has no business being in a truck this heavy. Only reason it can still haul as much as it does is the 4.10 gears. I'm on the lookout for a 454 though.
Watching the flywheel torque before the turbo swap makes me feel like the diesel is under-tuned. That thing should be making more like about 400-500 ft-lbs in the middle of its torque curve, but it's making 350 at its best. Even a governed, all-mechanical 6BT from the mid-90s can push 400-450
Even 6.2 Detroit diesel's have 400 foot pounds or better from factory
@@michaell8356 more like 240-260 ft-lb depending on year...
@@michaell8356 are you on drugs?
The difference is that whit the 454 you get max torque at 1500rpms wile your 7.3 gets the same at 2000 rpms also have less hp so it means that at higher rpms takes more time to gain speed.
A 7.4L gas vs a 6.0L diesel is stil a big difference but the 6.0 has the torque behind it so may not be so bed comparison
Let's not forget that the 6.0 is a *turbo* diesel. N/A diesels are nothing in comparison to a similar sized gas burner. Just look back at the old IDI 6.9/7.3 Ford's and the 6.5's GM used.
Well the diesel still has mor torque
Bruh don't pretend you know engines. This comment shows you don't.
@@joer5057 lmao an n/a idi will tow a 20k load don't take my word for it there is evidence on youtube
4:24 not to be rude or anything but you don’t need to rap* the filp out of first gear. Upshift to 2 and once you start losing speed downshift to first.
I disagree, by the time he goes up the hill, switching gears is basically useless since so much time is spent changing gears. He would do maybe 1-2 seconds in 2nd then down back to first, waste of time, plus wont make the run. Let the engine run at high revs in low gearing, maximum torque
@@youi511 it depends on the scenario but in 4:24 he could have had more speed if he shifted in 2. I am talking from experience i drive a manual irl and I almost stalled on a bridge. The traffic cleared when i was already coming to stop
That 454 sounded great too 😍👌
Nope.
It was..... Ok....
Butthurt diesel kids^^
@@fastmachines500r8 Diesel don't sound good so hush.
@@ussindianapolis9137 what lol?
As someone who owned a 454. And now a 5.9 diesel who tows goosenecks loaded often. The 454 was great. Miss that truck. But the 5.9 out hauls it every day
I miss my 98' Chevy 3500 with the 454 SS. You could piss behind the back tire and get stuck but man, that thing made trailers feel as if they were not even back there.
6:13 It's The Low Life
in my own testing i have found the diesel to be less prone to overheating issues than any of the gas engines for the d35. i did this testing on the climb up the hill in the utah map after having driven the highway to it from the gas station
low rpm
@@Hashpassion yeah, and that lends itself to massive torque and little hp. making it great for endurance runs when towing i guess.
Try to mod in a Viper v10, with couple test, maybe stock, then stroker, then supercharged and all in one at the end, should be monster
Seems legit
The tree at the end was perfect haha
i would like to see 2 stroke detroit diesel
hecc yeah
Weren't those 2 stroke diesels notoriously under powered?
The engine used in the John Deere 8020
@@Bloodbain88 no. They made good power. The were underpowered for the fact that they were 2 strokes. Imagine how much hp a tuned detroit can make
I apologize for the noob comment but I’ve never seen this game/simulator before. What is it and where can I find information on it? It looks awesome!
Beam NG.Drive and Automation Game
Like Austin said, BeamNG and Automation. Both games are on Steam, with more information being found on their respective websites: www.beamng.com and www.automationgame.com.
A real Diesel would never surrender to a Gas engine at same displacement Same HP
Bruh even if u put a 7.3 idi in that truck the 454 would still win
Never
Well I think no
WE are talking about Same displacement and same HP wich means that the diesel has much more torque and Torque is key at pulling
@@wammo1997 I agree with you. Diesel has more torque then gas
Actually working on a very similar truck with a 454 but thinking about putting a Detroit in it
If your talking about real life trucks don’t waste time on a Detroit no one developed the engines like the Cummins or powerstrokes or duramax so their isn’t much aftermarket support for it and if there is it’s not great power gains.
@@tylersmith3939 yea. Actually got it running a couple days ago. And after hearing it run fir a little I don’t think I’d like to change it. After you say that though, if I ever do change it I’d probably go with either a duramax (if it’ll fit) or a Cummins
@@jessecarpenter6434 I've heard the 12 valve fits into the old square bodies very nicely. Only problem is finding a transmission it won't eat for breakfast. I've thought about swapping a 12 valve into mine, but the added cost of finding a stout trans is making me think twice, and just finding an old 454. The TH400 in the truck now can handle a big block easy. Have you pulled any trailers with yours yet? How's it pull?
@@Bloodbain88 thing is that while yes we got it running after a while but we can’t get it to move. We don’t know if it’s the cable for the trans or if the trans itself is shot. I’ve been workin on it during my free time between school and work so I don’t have much time. That and the only reason I have acces to jt is because my papaw was storing it for someone and he wound up dying. So we don’t have a title but papaw is letting me and a few friends work on it. Anyhow it’s a very slow progressing project. If I can remember I’ll try and give updates
@@jessecarpenter6434 Auto or Manual? What year? 4x4? If it has the np205 transfer case, the shifter on the floor can easily get knocked into neutral and you're not going anywhere. The detents between 2Hi and neutral on mine are pretty much non existent so it can be hard to tell where it's at. I've heard of guys leaving their transfer case in neutral on purpose so no one can move the truck.
454 HO crate engine 500 LB/FT @3500 RPM
I think if you shifted properly then it would go much smoother. You had the dyno and saw that torque was at higher rpm. We’ll shift it and let it sit at peak torque
The 454 can climb better, but drivers who would put a truck to good use would choose the diesel, the ones who goof around would choose the 454. Not very practical.
It’s also one of the cases where the diesels have way better fuel economy.
@@robotrexxx6247 Exactly
I feel like the 454 climb better because it had more RPM. I really would like to see this test with the rev limiter sit to the same RPM. That extra RPM gave it more inertia at the bottom of the hill.
@@custommotor That's another thing, the torque distribution along the RPMs. No wonder pretty much all freight trucks are diesel and not V8's.
Lmao you’re a dumbass
Gotta love on how they put gas guzzling big blocks in trucks back in the 60s and 70s, but tbh the 6.0 irl was a terrible ass engine
It was great if it was stock probably one of the best sounding diesels in my opinion although I'm a duramax guy.
why upshift when pulling uphill???
I just love this channel
i have only one problem with early TBI BBC on my chevyvan - no grip with singals, need to replace to DRW 14bolt main rear end.
whats this map?
I how did you to add an engine to a stock vehicule ?
I'm not complaining or trying to troll but, the 454 doesn't have canted valves?
You should hook up an X box controller with bluetooth so you have more control over the steering.
I would like to see a towing drag race it would be pretty cool imo
6.0 ford diesel? or the old detroit?
If you look at the graphs the diesel is really under powered compared to the 454
I agree, the 454 kicks ass!!!
First like keep it up I love all of your vids
8:00 so once again displacement still wins!
Why is the diesel only making around 5-6 pounds of boost? Stock it should make 15-20
More than that
@@Silentroller93 yeah that’s facts my 6.7 makes almost 40 with a stock trubski
@@Cole_slow My 2.8 duramax makes 34 psi with a larger turbo lol
IDIs (like the 6.5 IDI and or 7.3 IDI) make very low boost in a OEM spec. For example the 7.3 IDI turbo was more meant for altitude power compensation more than anything.
@@xbox819 that’s gay
7:39 this thing got slammed to the ground
nice torque curve on the 454 that is how a pulling motor should be
Should’ve been 6.0L diesel vs 460 or 6.6L diesel vs 454, kept ford engines with ford and Chevy against Chevy then pitted the best out of each group against each other
How do you export engines to use them in the vanilla cars?
But why is it a 454 if it has 452 cu in?
Well I mean most sizes aren't exactly the size they say they are. Take the 5.0s everybody made. They were between 300 and 308 cubic inches for the most part. Even though 5 l is 305.
Probably because 454 sounds 10 times better than 452
next you should put a viper's 8.2L v10 in it
He said the displacement is close but a 7.4 liter is a lot bigger😂 try using a 7.3 liter ford power stroke sized engine with 30 lbs a boost and there won’t be a competition lmao also not to mention we both know which would do better in terms of gas mileage
Should have done a 7.3, 444 vs 454
Where can I get that trailer?
The diesel is similar to a 6.0 power stroke engine (or is it?)
I've had 18k behind my 97 k2500 with the 5.7 didn't have any issue 🤣 454 woulda made it easier tho
My 5.0 305ci would blow up lol
6.0 Diesel cons:
Low horsepower
Low RPM
Lots of black smoke
6.0 Diesel pros:
High torque
Low RPM
Great fuel economy
Overheats less
454 Big block cons:
not very practical
guzzles a ton of gas
Merica' hell yea im fat now
Very bulky and big
454 Big block pros:
Tons of horsepower
Higher RPM than 6.0 diesel
edit: 6.0 diesel > 454 fat block
Which map is that
I daily drive my 454 squarebody 4door and it kills me on gas. Im looking at a Cummins swap.
what map is that?
I Wana see chevys 8.1 vortec motor, the 6.0 vortec, and even they newest 6.6 gas vortec they are using
Map name ?
Y’all not see him pushing the clutch in for da diesel at the top of the hill
He’s probably on wheel... trying to ride the clutch like launching a car? Think about that? To keep it in boost since it clearly didn’t have the low in tq. Compared to the 454
Big block baby the big dog wroof wroof
Second
it would be interesting to see a comparison with a small gasoline and a big diesel, because even at the same engine size and without the turbo the gasoline engine will still be stronger so it would be awesome to see a comparison between a big diesel and a smaller gasoline enginge and both have almost the same hp without the turbo :)
Well the diesel will be stonger
@@everythingtractors9332 i don't really think so because in every other test where a diesel is compared to a gasoline engine the diesel only get's better when it has a turbo so that's why i wanna see a comparison
@@julianhager1826 WHAT ABOUT AIR COOLERS???
@@julianhager1826 or air-coolers
@@everythingtractors9332 hmmm i don't really think so😂
That 6.2 boosting 30 psi in that boss pull? In WHAT WORLD can a 6.2 handle that kinda boost
nice
How do you export your automation engines to beam?
You can’t use an automation engine in a beam car. It only can be used in automation cars. If you noticed he didn’t even use the automation engine because automation engines in beam don’t appear by there size as the name because they only appear under the name automation engine
@@brandonruhl1639 ohh, ok. thanks
What would happen if you made the front diff and the rear diff different ratios?
driveline binding unless the transfer case or transmission was designed to spin at 2 speeds simultaneously.
Not sure how accurate these simulations are but its pretty impressive looking in general
I don't think it's real, a 7.4L BA beating a 6.0L turbo in towing? Nah, never
You’re a dumbass, the 6.0 is trash a stock 460 truck would beat a tuned one, a vortec 7.4 would eat one up no problem
@@fastmachines500r8 you've obviously never towed with a stock 460, or a stock 6.0. They aren't even in the same league.
@@fastmachines500r8 yeah... Not likely
The biggest problem I see is that it's based off of a v8 diesel. If it had been a 5.9 i6, it would have performed equally or possibly marginally better. Cuz ya, 454bbc is absolutely gold.
You lost me at twin 4 barrel carburetors, 454 were equipped with a single 2 barrel throttle body injection unit.
awwe. it's not a true 454! or at least not the 454 LS6, with 450hp and 500ft.lbs on tap
Can someone please tell me how he modes beam Ng like this. For example how he swaps in all kinds of engines into the cars in the game
czcams.com/video/s-WEFW-K6pk/video.html
@@ForgottenMustard thank you good sir
@@ForgottenMustard just use the tractor
Isn’t 7.4L is OHV? Not OHC tho
He had it as a push rod (OHV)
It’s a pushrod in real life
@@jadelees5671 yeah I know but in this video said OHC which it hilarious
454 with a turbo.
The only thing I added was nitrous. Lol
If looked when he was in automation the distubuter is on the back like a chevy
No replacement for gasoline displacement
Is the engine building menu a mod?
First
The all mighty 454 is not to be taken lightly!!
How did you put automation engines in beam
CZcams Search:
"How To Create Custom Engines For ANY BeamNG Vehicle Using Automation"
@@LetsPlayNation alright cheers
You can’t use an automation engine in a beam car. It only can be used in automation cars. If you noticed he didn’t even use the automation engine because automation engines in beam don’t appear by there size but they only under the name automation engine
@@brandonruhl1639 no but you can use the stats from that engine beam
@@ethanrainsford4251 ya only the stats. When you drive the car it’s engine won’t act like a automation engine but rather a beam engine. Even it’s power will be different from what it says on the stats. I know this because I’ve tried this many times
The mpg is insane
usa moment
Bbc gang
What 6.0 Diesel is this? The ford 6.0 was tuned for 20-22 psi of boost.
What is the name of this map in beam ng pls
Thx
Diesel dont go down rps like that, the game is rong on that
Test it out with the tractor
Hello
What game is this
XD
@@peterpolanszki8903 do you have a link to it been looking for something like this for a while
@@texasinnovativeperformance6439 It's BeamNg Drive dude
Negativo, sinchando cargas motor a gasolina no le gana al diesel aquí porque es un juego
You did the 454 do the 8.1 vortex vs the Diesel pls love the vid
What map is this? I can't seem to find it
Automation test map
@@dannytuck2645 thank you
Yea man those 454 do play when it comes to pulling
Do mor eof these videos!
whats the name of this map?
It's the automation test map
@@custommotor ok but where? i havent seen it there
Danm I feel like he’s hyping up the 6.0 those 454 are super strong
517th!
Esto no es realista
I think I would have used a 572 big block in place of the 454
It should’ve been a 6.5