Breville Razor | Should You Use It?
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The Breville Razor trimming tool is a dosing control tool that Breville came up with to make the lives of beginner baristas easier. Problem is, it can do more harm than good. In this weeks review, we look at the Razor Tool, and show you exactly why you shouldn't be using it, and what you should be using for dosing and tamping instead!
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The Razor is perfect for prying the basket out of the portafilter when cleaning or swapping to a different size. It's much easier than trying to use your fingers.
Try using another basket (upside down) it works every time. I'll try the razor too.
The razor is a good calibration tool for a palm distributor tool.....and or tamper
haha the flick at the end!
Holy crap!! This is the first time I've seen one of your videos that you showed your face.
Plus, as always a high quality video, always available in 4K and right to the point.
Thank you
I guess you've skipped a few ;)
Aha, but thanks so much! Really appreciate it
Ha! Was coming here to say the same thing! XD Awesome videos, really helping me with my barista express. Big thanks!
I just bought yesterday (4-9-21) my Breville Barista Express. I appreciate your videos. This one is really good.
It really it a science to learning, making a perfect cup. I wasted two cups this morning and the third one was great. I’m still learning of coarse. I need to buy those tools you just showed at the end. Thank you
Thank you for the confirmation! I used that razor exactly one time and threw it back in the box. If I’d seen this video beforehand, I wouldn’t have even bothered. All it does is make an absolute mess!
....you do have a head after all!
Great content - keep it coming!
It is good to finally see you on videos
Check out the last few videos!
Lots of new and exciting changes
Thank you ! You have the most useful information on Coffee machine and techniques of any videos I have seen. This one was short concise and to the point . Props to you.
Thanks for watching!
I did use it to help set the depth of my palm tamper. Was a good jumping off point.
Exactly
its unofficial only use
Empty hopper. Weigh your beans say 18g. Use the tamp until the metal is flush in porta filter. Job done. You can use the razor just to tidy the very edge inside porta filter basket.
Thanks to this video! The Razor was the problem for me. I was trying to prepare a one-cup espresso with the Razor. However, the Razor trimmed the coffee dose in one cup filter basket too much so that the pointer never went in the Espresson Range. Then I stopped using the Razor and just tamped it with pressure after watching this video. Finally, the pointer went in the Espresso Range.
Woa! Wasn’t expecting to see a ‘head’!
Nice to see you and great video as usual. Thank you 😊
I found a great use for it, believe it or not, lol!
After tamping, I'm sometimes left with coffee grounds sticking to the sides of the basket. Rotating the razor on the basket's wall while holing the portafilter at an angle against the knock box gets rid of them completely, leaving me with cleaner looking basket haha.
However, after using a 53.3mm tamper, I no longer needed it, always cleaner baskets with the 53.3mm tamper.
Thank u! Learned so much about razor. I thought the same about using the razor..
I can only make reasonable coffee thanks to LL videos, without them i'd be lost. Sage (Breville) Barista Pro nicely dialled in after a day or so, never used the razor and have a palm tamper. The scales i just use my lab ones after watching these videos. All in all converting the black art of expresso making in to a process that pretty much anyone can follow, my 11yr old now pulls shots like a Pro after being educated here.
Great video. I ended up getting a tamp weight and it's been incredible. Way more consistentcy. Can't recommend them enough
Interesting. I use a paper clip to break up any clumps, tamp, use the razor tool and then lightly set the tamp over the puck and give it a few spins. It smooths out the “disturbed” puck and all my shots are consistent in taste and time of extraction (between 25 - 30 seconds).
Conclusion delivered in first 13secs! 👍😁
I used the Razor to set up the depth of my palm tamper and distributor tool
I use it only to gauge the minimum depth of my distribution/tamper tool. Otherwise, it’s useless just as you mentioned. In addition to the coarseness/fineness of the grounds, the roasting level can also vary the *volume* of the grounds in comparison to its mass, thus rendering the “razor” ineffectual.
Dosing cup and palm tamper made my life so much easier. Getting faster than the old automatic machine ;)
Awesome!
You can definitely get pretty fast with the right tools, and more importantly, practice!
I have that exact scale and it's awesome 😎
I use the palm tamper. Perfect every time.
I tried using it when I bought the Barista Express a year ago, but it just made a mess of the coffee I had tamped down. No idea what wiz kid came up with this idea, but it is useless. However, I love my Barista Express and it grinds and brews great coffee👍👍👍
The Razor is perfect for removing the old wax on my surfboard 👍🏻
Okay, you've helped us all produce good smooth coffee, but it won't ever be as smooth as 2:53
Indeed
It’s actually perfect for scraping together your coffee grounds that go all over your surface.
Thanks!
Compensating for puck depth by tamping harder can cause all kinds of problems with dialing in, consistency and channeling.
I can even get pressure when using the Razor… I feel like headspace is TOO big… smashing in 18-22g on fine and “Razoring” it still never builds pressure. As soon as I overfill it (closer to head and maybe even touching I dunno at this point…) I’ll get pressure… it was frustrating
I remember using this out of curiosity... It was in the trash instantly.
mine.. I put in the drawer😆 I didn’t use it since I bought my Barrista Express.😒
With the express impress and its assisted tamper, doesn't that eliminate the "how hard you tamp" aspect of the razor issue?
The Impress also handles the dosing, so no need for this kind of tool there :)
I use it to take the cup of out the porta filter
Good call!
Any tips on where to buy the cup you collect the grinds with (the black cup)?
That's the dosing cup by Crema Coffee Products. It's probably the biggest game-changer for improving shots using the Breville machines.
Think you are missing the point.
I use it occasionally to aid dialling in.
Not to scrape off a layer of coffee but to check the death after tamping as that's the death recommended for the higher than normal shower screen of the breville or sage.
I then adjust Grind and coffee weight in to my single dose niche zero grinder to get 2:1 out:in in the magicalc 30 seconds.
Use in mainly when I try a different or new to me coffee beans.or a different vst basket size. Currently using 25g in to a vst 22g which was my ideal after dialling in with the aid of the thing I did not throw away!
You can definitely use it to double check like that!
But the method shown is how Breville is telling people to use the Razor product, and it's a bad idea when used in that way
@@LifestyleLab_ been using the useful depth measurement you provided for a distribution tool you provided in a previous video. Much better!
Could you please link to the "mugg" you grind your coffe in to or any other grind holder like yours. Much appreciated
That's the dosing cup by Crema Coffee Products. It's probably the biggest game-changer for improving shots using the Breville machines.
Hello, I have a question, I am ready to move to the next level of espresso, which machine do you recommend. Thanks
The Gaggia Classic pro is a great step up in terms of espresso quality: czcams.com/video/ki2Tzjh8dV0/video.html
If you want a BIG step up, look into options like the Rocket Appartamento, Profitec Pro 300, or Lelit Bianca to name a few
REMEMBER, grinder quality is a VERY big contributor to overall espresso quality. A Gaggia with a great grinder will produce better espresso than a Rocket with an okay grinder
Where did you get your portafilter? Im looking for a splitter not a buttonless. for 54 mm :)
This is just the stock portafilter from Breville. You can order one on their website :)
I'm not aware of any third party manufacturers making spouted portafilters for 54mm, only bottomless like you said.
More people need to see this, I never understood why the razor was included. It doesn't really level well, and it just removes way way too much espresso from the portafilter where generally you have an underdosed shot and it does this by removing way too much depth of the puck, I generally have my puck sitting much higher
I have brevile barista express, and it doesn't give me consistent shot every time.
I set the dose to 18g and yeild 36ml, however after couple of shots the yeild changes sometimes it output 40ml or 30g, so I don't know why I am not getting a consistent shots.
You'll have to look for variations in your process!
How are you distributing? Is the portafilter the same temperature for each shot? Are you purging the group head before each shot? Many things to consider
I’m confused my Breville Oracle Touch grinds and tamps automatically so wouldn’t it automatically ensure the coffee bed is low enough so it doesn’t contact the shower bed?
Also, how would I ever know it’s contacting the shower bed?
Do I need to measure how low the coffee bed is after it’s tamped?
Oh I just re-watched how to check if it’s contacting shower screen.
But still curious as to why the automatic tamper is not temping it deep enough.
Can that be adjusted by increasing more pressure?
What’s the negative effects of having coffee contact shower screen?
@@apilkey After I have watched film I am having the same problem on my Oracle. The shower screen touch the pack, it is not temping deep enough. I've changed the tamping force from 5 to 6 and next the time from 4s to 5s. It doesn't help, increases the amount coffee. I was wonder if this only my problem but seems that we have all the same issue. @Lifestyle Lab could please check, if you have the same issue on your oracle expresso machine, not temping deep enough, is it possible to fix this on oracle?
I have the Breville dual boiler and smart grinder pro. I use a 22g single dose which I have dialed in for correct grind size to give me exactly 9 bar extraction. The biggest variable for me is my tamping pressure which the Razor helps with. I also waste NO, NADA, ZERO coffee! Here is my workflow: 1. Add 22g beans to Hopper. 2. From initial setting of 25 seconds, grind until 8 seconds remain. 3. Pause grinder and give very light tamp. 4. Finish grind (make sure grind chamber is empty) and give full tamp. 5. Use Razor to check level and swirl to level and clean off sides of basket. 6. Add stray grounds from grinder tray. 7. Re-tamp for smooth, even puck. 8. Extract perfect, repeatable shot every time!
As a barista I will always recommend a scale, but the razor is the perfect tool for the ones not as geeky as us. I have a couple of remarks:
-Why should you tamp differently?
-Different grind settings gives you different quantity in the basket (obviously) but the most important this is that the distance between puck and shower screen; why you don't just adjust the yield to maintain the ratio?
thanks in advance for your answer
I just use it for removing the basket from the portafilter.
Why don't you try your Rocket Appartamento, heat exchanger machine has more to explore and it gives you more topics than stick with appliances and getting know more about espresso machines aren't the things that wouldn't you like to, say the brew temp with idling 10mins or so after properly heats up, it gets close to 205f and easier brew medium roasted level beams etc.
Only to get baskets out of the portafilter.
Interesting. So even after I brew my espresso, I see the impression of the shower screen on the puck. That’s a bad sign?
After brewing is totally normal because the puck expands with water!
@@LifestyleLab_ thanks! Very informative videos. Perhaps a small request: I would love to see a video on how to dial a single shot. I know they say that it’s a nightmare to do (lol) but I’m trying to reduce the caffeine intake. Topics such as the timing of the shot, dose, etc would be nice to see!
I have a brief video on single shots on my channel that you should check out! Be can possibly go into more detail in the future for sure :)
i only use it to pry open my portafilter out of the basket😂
Only time I have used a razor is too get a suck filter basket out to clean it
Hey he’s showing his face 🙂
Just tamp again after the grind has been ‘disturbed’ nothing wrong with the razor.
Seems all the BE owners use that silver scale ....
Its just very inexpensive, but works perfectly, haha
Hm.. It feels a bit useless to me.. I think a old credit card cut is better, really, for a home barista.
Tried it but sticking to my gillette
Actually you should keep it but not use it in quite the way that is show here.
The razor gives you a standard volume. The way I use it is to scrape and discard until there is a the amount of 'extra' running over the standard flat surface in front of the blades that I want. If the result is a bit over-extracted I reduce the extra next time. If it under extracted I increase the extra. Using this system you can fine tune your extraction for different beans at different grind sizes.
This is wrong.
The purpose of the razor is not to shave off and discard extra coffee.
The purpose is as a depth measuring tool. You tamp the puck and measure with the razor before attaching the portafilter. That’s exactly to prevent coffee contact with the curtain. If the razor is able to shave, then you redistribute and tamp it harder. You don’t discard “extra coffee”.
Obviously, redistributing is a lot easier with that redistributing tool, if you have one. They are not cheap though.
This is exactly how Breville is instructing for it to be used, and yes it is wrong: czcams.com/video/5LWrVUD22gQ/video.html
@@LifestyleLab_
Yeah, Breville messed up. Good codification.
Your face finally appears....😅😅
Stop going on with your self and buy a buttie maker instead and if you want a dose I've got the number of this bird. She'll give you a full dose.
I just sell them
Nah it’s cack. Get a proper distribution tool.
Glad you agree!
Just don't
Breville s don’t get hot enough anyway
Of course it does
the temperatures can be adjusted in the settings.
It’s definitely not used as this way.....
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All about the product placement and Amazon affiliation, and very little about the actual correct use of the razor. Shameful performance.
The point of the video is that there is no proper use of the razor... other than a depth gauge, which I provided a "no products necessary" alternative technique for :)
I see « Breville » I laugh. This brand is a joke. Not being snobbish but specialty coffee is an expensive, time consuming thing. When clients come to my coffee shop and « want the best but don’t want to spend 45min every morning making coffee » all my body is crying inside. Breville is a waste of money and time, nothing good comes out of it, and this razor sums up their mindset pretty well : amateurs.
If that was intended to be a serious comment from a 'professional ' then you failed pal. '45 minutes' - to do what? As for the razor, the guy presenting this video clearly either didn't tamp the basket before using the razor (as per brevilles instruction) or way overfilled the basket, because you simply do not stir up as much coffee as he did if you use it properly. The razor is to help the 'amateur' as you so condescendingly referred to them, ensure the basket is levelled off to even water flow. So quit the ignorant snobbery and smart ass comments.
@@chompyb i’m not a native speaker, so i think there is something you didn’t get. I used « » because it’s the people I get that say that. Busy, wealthy, inexplicably interested in something they have no time to give. And I think this one too does not make much sense. You know what, I don’t care, and I don’t want to talk. Hats off Breville, marvellous machines, that razor is state of the art😂
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