Reaction To Is the Norwegian Prison System Crazy?
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- čas přidán 25. 11. 2023
- Reaction To Is the Norwegian Prison System Crazy?
This is my reaction to Is the Norwegian Prison System Crazy?
In this video I react to the Norwegian Prison System and some people answering questions about it.
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Original Video - • Is the Norwegian Priso...
Maximum sentenance is a bit confusing here. We have this called 21 years "forvaring" (detention directly translated). If given 21 year detention, they can stay locked up forever. The worst criminals usually gets this and they have to prove their rehabilitation to get a chance to ever be released.
Philosophically, I don't think we can underestimate enough the profound power of systematically removing revenge from a population. Justice therefore must hold up why kindness and empathy (ethics) is the basis of law, not power.
This means that the families of the victims must take a cut in brutality for their revenge - to give some care for the criminal. And perhaps realize that the sentenced and incarcerated probably grew up in a home with no justice, no law, no kindness and no respect. They just assumed that everyone abuses everyone, that the law of the jungle is all there is.
An eye for an eye, merely leaves a population of half-eyed humans.
I live just 20 minutes from Halden Prison, on the highway. I think all Norwegians can all appreciate the great work going on there and I think the low recidivism rates speak for themselves. Many might think it expensive to keep a prison system at this level, but then they forgot to lock the front door countless of times every year and nothing bad ever happens. This peace, safety and security for all is simply priceless here in Norway. And you're finally contributing to showing criminals how they should have been treated all along in their childhood and as human beings.
The last one, Bastøy Prison, is for people who are on the last part of their sentence. Probably spent many/several years being told when to do what. This way they learn to take more responsibility for themselves again. They either work on the island or take the ferry to the mainland in the morning for work and back in the afternoon. Getting used to every day life.
Some with shorter sentences there as well though.
No matter what you are convicted of, imprisonment is the punishment. We should not "give" additional punishment in prison. Because we do not have life sentences in Norway, emphasis is placed on rehabilitation and education. You can be sentenced to a sentence of longer than 21 years, but then you are sentenced to detention, often with psychiatric treatment and medication. Most Norwegians I know are appalled by the American prison system.
I love that attitude. I wonder how many people are aware that prisons started out as "we'll just lock them up so they are out of the way, and whether they starve or are murdered or have a comfy life depends entirely on how much money they have".
And how different is it today? How many of the super-rich end up in the really ugly prisons? I know that US Senator Ted Kennedy drove his car off a bridge, got out of the sinking car and went back to his hotel room *without alarming the police of the accident and the fact that there his co-worker Mary Jo Kopechne was still inside* . She was alive and conscious for quite some time after Kennedy made it out of the car, and Kennedy never say the inside of a prison.
Anyone who gets put in jail, whether it's in Norway, England, America, etc.losing the most important thing in the life of all people, freedom! Even if it's "better" here, the punishments are harsh when you lose your freedom. And then to what looks so good in this video. If you treat people badly in prison, you usually get the same prisoners back after some time. Is it good? If you treat the prisoners well, many do not return to prison. They sharpen up to be better people, etc ;)
and if i remember after 5 years ypur criminal record is scrubbed for everyone but the police
that recording studio, also has a record label attached to it, called Criminal Records...
They mighty be living nice. But they are still in prison. They can't leave, that is their punishment. You can't go to your daughter's wedding, or your mother's funeral. People didn't like being in quarentin for a few months, and then they could still leave their house. Imagine not being able to leave your house for years. When the clock turns 20:00 you have to go to your room and can't come out until morning, every day. We got nice prisons, it's still not nice to stay there.
Very good point. I somehow have the suspicion that the people who complained the loudest about social distancing are also the ones who want all prisoners to be as miserable as possible. At the heart of it, there's egoism, augmented with "if I can't have a great life, then at least others should have an awful one".
“In Norway, all will be released - there are no life sentences…So we are releasing your neighbour….If we treat inmates like animals in prison, then we will release animals on to your street.”
anders behring breivik (Fjotolf Hansen) is as said the mass shooter who killed 77 at a youth festival at uteøya. i would assume that he would get killed after his release, we get thought about uteøya in school and on my school trip to oslo we visited a museum made for the terror attack and leared about the history and what he did.
Norway has the best stats in the world when it comes to rehabilitating criminals so this works, at least in Norway, maybe not in a country where the criminality is high.
How are you to turn animals back to humans if you treat them like animals?
US : Punishment || EU: Rehabilitation
old testament (an eye for an eye) vs new testament (forgiveness)
This video doesent really tell much about norwegian prisons..If you try the short version of Michael Moore 2 hour long documentary, you find the answers to the things you asked about here. ("Norwegian Prisons- Michael Moore" )
To be hard, you can do something about it after the release, but you have to find peace with being in prison for a long while.
Some considerations:
1. Lengthy sentences can shift a prisoner's motivation from becoming a decent citizen prepared for the outside to merely surviving inside the prison, leading to institutionalization and unfitness for the outside world.
2. Not all individuals who commit crimes possess the keenest intellect. Therefore, like training a misbehaving puppy, the punishment must be effective. Traditional notions of "justice" often fail in this regard.
3. Victims require safety, not revenge. Rehabilitation ensures safety by preparing the offender to rejoin society as a civilized member upon release. Seeking revenge only results in a "broken man" who may reoffend, creating more victims. Thus, revenge does not truly serve the victims.
4. Criminals often feel mistreated by society. Standing over them in judgment only fuels their resentment. Harsh sentences can lead to thoughts of revenge, where they dedicate their time to training new criminals within the prison to unleash havoc on society. It's more beneficial to motivate them to collaborate towards a better future for everyone, regardless of past crimes. Revenge only leads to a cycle of retribution.
Incorrect information about the Breivik terrorist. He was sentenced to 21 years confinement, which means the sentence can be extended many times. This guy will stay in prison for life.
Well i actully think his gonna free when his old and retired cause by that point everyone wil have forgotten about what he did and nobody wil reconize him so the odds of him getting killed at that point is very small
The massmurderer got 21 years, but he is kept in isolation altho with 3 rooms and 2 birds as company. No TV, no letter exchange, just official people visiting. We all hope he will never be set free.
I'm Norwegians, and think there should be an option to give prisoners a lifetime sentence for the most horrific crimes. ABB will never get out, but I think it's unfair to the victims that they'll always have this sliver of doubt. That the consideration of his release will come up again and again after his original sentence is over. However, you can't build a system around 1 man, and I'm glad we didn't let a terrorist win by changing the system because of him. If we're ever going to allow a proper lifetime sentence, it should be considered without specific prisoners in mind.
But I think most Norwegians support the current system. The question is simple, really. What's most important to you? To punish the wicked, or to protect the innocents? Because you can't have it both ways. Norway is not inherently "nice." We had a punitive prison system. It failed.
but kinde of can get liftime you gett 21 years as max but you have somthing i dont remember the name of that centence that do that after that centens it can get extended with 5 years and that can go on oute the life
@@MyggFaen It will be extended so that he never goes free regardless, so yes, we do have the option. But because it has to be renewed, the victims never get to rest. That's why I think we should have a genuine lifetime option as well.
You make a very good point about "you can't build a system around one man" - that's something that's horrifically overused in the US: somebody campaigns on "harsher punishments!", argues based on the two worst (and most publicity-bearing!) criminals to be found, and the manages to get some borderline-sadistic new laws which will affect millions of people.
Bastøy is basically for prisoners in there last time they have left in prison and you need to have proven good dicipline to get there in the first place.
Oh and the 9:42 something like that the person with the chainsaw is a convicted murderer killing someone with a chainsaw
Prisoners often have terrible teeth because of their drug addiction and bad lifestyle. And it's more clever to have the dentist inside the prison instead of moving the prisoner.
there's a little thing u are missing, when it comes to how long they can be given in prison, and that's if the prison dont think they are rehabilitated, after the time they were given is over, they will just give them another 5 years, which can go on for ever...
I’m very impressed with the reacting women, they come across as very intelligent and having the ability to reflect on what they are told and shown - unlike in some other similar videos I’ve seen.
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