Stick Welding with 7024 Drag Rods
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How about Jet Rods?
7024 rods are often called Drag rods or Jet rod and are still used quite a bit in certain industries.
I met a nice lady named Andrea at Fabtech (she is @hotwork247 on Instagram)
She routinely welds with 3/16” and 1/4” stick rods at a steel mill.
3/16” 7024 electrodes lay down a lot of metal but there can be issues.
The 2 in 7024 means it is not an all position rod …its only rated for flat and horizontal.
Since a horizontal fillet weld is actually more like flat welding, thats why 7024 gets the horizontal rating.
Once you start to get to a true horizontal weld, things can go off the rails.
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I am taking over a lead weld position at my company because of all the lessons I've learned from you...they think I'm a phenom...really I just watch CZcams videos...thank you welding has changed my life and you've helped
Phillip Meeholz congrats bro im curious what does a lead weld position do ?
@@n1n0z24in charge of the other welders and help them if they need help I'm assuming
Great video Jody. Most, if not all the problems people have with E7024 is that they don't realize that the arc is burning WAY UP inside the rod cup. That is why it MUST be dragged with the coating firmly touching the plate and DRAG ANGLED 30-45 degrees into the direction of travel. Once you try to hold any kind of open arc gap, you loose ARC HEAT, ARC FORCE...that's why you get that swirling slag...COLD,and throws spatter out the arc, slag folowing too close to the weld pool [DC will aggravate all this]. Also, most run 7024 too low on amps. That 3/16 on heavy plate bump up amps to 275. Also AC is best for 7024-hotter arc no arc blow. Don't want so sound like a troll, But have years of on the job experience with 7014,7024, 7028 at the Warner & Swasey Co. in the 1970's lol! Lincoln developed JETWELD in 1951, they and all other manufactures outline the instructions for 7014-24, 7027-28 as I had just laid out above.
all very good points. I was maxed out at 260 amps on a DC inverter but definitely was dragging the tip of rod on the plate. probably more rod angle would have helped it go better...thanks for weighing in with your experiences. it helps us all learn valuable info
I'm a teacher by proffesion but bought welding equipment 3 years ago. So far i've built a worktable, equipment rack, shoe rack, wall cabinet and a 6' x 4' metal bed. I've gained so much knowledge just by not only watching, but also reading Jody's material. I soon hope to open up a workshop and train youth in my country full time. I dont know how better i could thank Jody for being an inspiration and helping me love everything welding. But CHEERS! to him and be blessed for the good work.
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You just welded with every rod in the shop! 230 amps on a 3/32 rod is impressive. You da man.
weldingtipsandtricks I was wondering if you can do 2 topics for me or if u have done them send me a link.... #1 stick welding an aluminum rod , where would you use this and why? And how do you use it?
#2 using a 3/32 Hardfacing rod. Why do you want to Hardface something, prep, and how to do it proper.
Thank you for all your videos and your help
weldingtipsandtricks Hey Jodi I do a lot of aluminum work on gravel trailers and dumps. Can you do a video on techniques for welding newer aluminum into older aluminum
Hey Jody, thanks for all the videos...I have returned the favor by shopping at your store several times.
How about a video on machine maintenance? Specifically "blowing out" or cleaning your Miller dynasty...
Welded a lot of this back in 1980s making 3/4 plate steel boxes that had a lot of mounting blocks so I had to learn to drive along nooks and crannies filling in the corner pockets and blending starts and stops. I would smoke up the whole shop once I got going.
Used to weld a lot of 7014 I love that rod. I did everything with that stuff. Up, down, upside down.
Hi Jody, watched a few of your videos ... its great to hear and see a real good tradesman in action ... I,m retired now 67 and have been connected with welding sstarting at 15 yrs old apprentice ... it gave me a dam good living 👍
Great video. More information in ten minutes than many channels would get through in an hour!
thank you very much
Very good video. I did a lot of 7024. I leaned to go hot, use more drag angle and travel a bit faster. That took care of the weld piling up on itself. With practice, it leaves a beautiful weld. Going too fast or not dragging at the right angle makes the weld skip and leave gaps on one side or the other. This rod takes practice because you have to guess at what's actually going on under that swirling molten river of flux. It's kinda like trying to weld using a fire hose. I always avoid it and go 7018 whenever possible.
Thanks Jody ! I learn so much with each video you post ! And thanks for the Weldmonger Store where I can buy things with confidence.
Great video! Thanks for sharing your knowledge. I have had no training in welding, or metal works as such. I bought an old Migatronic machine from a buddy because I could. It turns out that one must know what to do with the tool, and watching your videos has helped me a lot to understand stick and tig welding. I am no master, but thanks to You, I can make a good enough weld for me. Thanks!!!
Jody you never fail to amaze me on your videos of welding. You in my eyes are the best welder on CZcams I really mean that. Keep up the good videos after watching your videos I feel like I can pass some weld test and I'm always encouraged after watching your videos. Jody for president 2020.....
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Fait just landed me in the Telecommunications field about 25 years ago and I’ve been a Telecom Engineer for the Government for the last 12 years BUT I always wanted to be a welder since high school.
I took welding in high school and just fell in love with it. I worked at a Freightliner body shop as my first job and got to do a lot of stick welding but that was it.
Now that I’m too old to become a pro yet able to afford my own welding equipment I’m back at it. I’m a welding fool. Stick, MIG, TIG I love it all. The only problem is that I don’t have enough stuff to weld! Lol
Thanks for this one Jody. I really dig these comparison type demos. Often times I want to try a rod or wire that I haven't used before and these kinds of videos give me a solid understanding of how my beads should or should not look and when and why to use it! So freakin important for guys like me who haven't got the where with all or opportunity to get formal training but really want to know!
Thanks again!
Peace
I ran these alot welding composite shaft water tanks. We used them for the long roof seams and the floor. If you use less of a drag angle than you can really stretch these rods out. On quarter inch lap welds, you can get close to 16" beads. Great video 👍
Your video's are all so educational, Good stuff Jody!
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Great work as allways,Jody!I've been picking up good tips from you since 2013.Keep'em coming!Greetings from Romania!
Used a ton of these rods on pressure vessels and heavy flanges over here in the UK, always found that swapping the polarity to DCEN for the final pass on a multi fillet weld like this prevented the ridge forming.
Thanks Jody for the good demonstrations on all the different rods, its a good reminder for me, been awhile since l did some welding can't wait until l can get back to it.
Nothing can beat a good amount of practice and experience...
7014's my main production rod. I do all our 'meatball" welding of things we use in-house for storing, carrying, or packaging cut pipe lengths. Using all the cut-offs from the gate shop, means a lot of fill-ins and seams. 5/64 to 5/32 7014 daily.
7014 runs the same way. Smooth bead, great filler rod. Puddle looks like a tornado. Seems easy to trap slag in. I bought 20 lbs of 7014 to try and learn it and it's been a challenge. I found it ran best with the circular movement. Perfect every time. Because it cools so slow it still came out flat and smooth.
I used to work at the Steelworks, here in Australia, and our Boilermakers used the 7024's quite a bit. They said it was like putting two welds down in one pass.
As always, great, informative and interesting content Jody. Thanks for everything you do
Just now checking this video out! Great stuff! Can't wait to see more ! Keep it coming!
I still admire your teaching, I stick (and MIG) weld better because of your videos.
I love using 7024!!! Wed use those on making catch plates for concrete panels in my last job
Jody, you make it look easy. I've run miles and miles of Jet Rod...
Well, 7024 is known as a mud rod and is designed to put out as much metal as possible. It was mainly used for production welding of steel light posts, stancions and duct support legs. We stopped using it in favor of dual-shield flux core in the shop. In the field we use 7018 or inner shield if the specs allow it.
Lincoln makes a 7028 that runs pretty well. Used some on some bridge piles.
In the current company I’m working in we weld boilers. We use E7024 for the smoke boxes and the saddles
Just awesome! Great info and comparison! Thanks for the video!
Thank You for all the information you give away.....
Great advice as always Jody 👍
Thanks again Jody. I am trying to push the limits of my machines and you help a lot. 7018E on AC. I am thinking of cranking up the heat. Still having issues on getting a smooth bead. I don't think a back yard guy like me should have to go to DC. I am using a good OLD AC 260 amp machine.
have you tried E7014? I find it does really well on AC. It behaves somewhat like 7024 just not as extreme. I get good penetration with good even beads.
Nice video Jody, thank you.
Awesome video Jody you the man 👊🏻
Thanks Jody, as always. :)
7024 is a blast to run. High amperage stuff is usually fun in general anyways, but you feel like you're getting a shitload of work done running 7024 passes.
I would like to say that I'm a self-taught welder.That isn't really true. Weldingtipsandtricks and ChuckE2009 have been my instructors. I've rebuilt a car carryer trailer, built a hydraulic lift for my motorcycle and 4 wheeler along with other small projects. You two should be very proud of yourselves if you can teach me how to weld via CZcams. Thanks again to both of you!!
Another great video, thanks for the info!
Here in Australia we also get 7016 low hydrogen rods, not sure what the difference is between 7018 one but the slag on those 7016s dries smooth and glossy.
Thanks Jody!!
You should do one on inner shield flux core. So many people think it just those small one lb spools that come with a welder they have no idea it is used for construction/ship building/some pipelines and etc and I have encountered so many people that think its dcep when the majority of it is dcen!! But some companies like Lincoln do make some self shielded to be run on dcep...
last couple days I spent about 50lbs of 7024 (mostly for 3-6 passes joints and then found that is for single pass welding 🤣
I like that electrode cause can run about 10" long weld with 5/32" rod and it's melting quick
sir u r so good videos
please 7018 root 3g make video
and what difference sir 7018 or 1880 electro
Loved these for knocking down 7018 vertical that dropped out on me when I first started. Heard they use these rods for bowing flatbed trailers?
The oldtimer that taught me usto talk about these he called them jet rods, when i broke out into the rig welding schene i came acrosd them as well as used them, the feel alot smother and sound fuzzy but they can lay alot down fast
We never stacked beads with them.... Id use them mostly for skid base's or decks where i had a long run, only prob i ever noticed warping cuz i always felt like they needed a good bit more heat or ark force or something to keep the flux at bay in the puddle
Nice work
Building tanks we use jet for the floors and roofs of the tanks because of all the seams, we bust out the 3 foot jet rods and lay metal fast
I'm doing this in my high school vocational welding right now and I have a problem with concave welds as opposed to convex, which is what I'm looking for. We are running 1/8' Milleniums doing tee and laps on quarter inch mild steel
I run a lot of 7024 rod, I always tried to position my work so that I could run it uphill at a very slight angle probably around 5 degrees. I found this helped control the flux and the build up on the weld. And yes you have to set the machine HOT! Not an expert just my two cents.
Would really like to see some vertical stainless stick videos,you did one a while back and said there will be more soon but I haven't seen any yet,thanks in advance!!!
Used thousands of the 7024 back in the day at pullman standard
Love these videos! They couldn't have come at a better time. I am currently building a 1500lb replica of Thor's Hammer for my second channel (we will be dropping it from a crane onto various objects). Your videos were a big help in helping me decide how I was going to attack this project. Many thanks for sharing your knowledge! 🙂👍
Funny this video came out right after we were talking about this. I am sure he was using DC in this video. I prefer to use AC. If you use AC over DC the AC will require 10-15% more amps. Just throwing in my 2 cents. Best wishes on Thor's hammer! I also wanted to mention there are 2 grades of 7024. The one that the numbers go 7024-1 are the impact rated rods. They meet higher requirements on the charpy-v notch test. The tensile strength is not rated higher but the filler metal's ability to withstand shock loading, shear loading and compression loading is higher.
@@melaniew77msn, I thought it was pretty uncanny too. I'll have to weld it all on DC. My machine won't run AC. I just have a cheap little multi process machine. But, it burns wire, rods, and makes metal stick together. Lol
I also wanted to mention that if you decide to go wirefeed, Lincoln makes a wire called Innershield 212 the puddle looks very similar to 7024 but you have the ease of using wirefeed. With .045 wire you can be very productive without over stressing your welding machine!
@@melaniew77msn, I'm assuming by the "innershield" that it's gasless?
@@ToTheTopCrane Yes sir that is correct no gas. I need to correct myself it is Innershield NR-212. It will require knurled drive rolls. As compared to short-circuit mig you will run a much longer stickout. The stickout is 5/8ths to around 3/4 inch. This longer stickout gives the flux inside the wire preheat time. The wire has much more penetration than stickrod and would eliminate the need to do a 6010 root pass. The light mill scale on that plate would represent no problem for this wire. I know I am bombarding you with information, but this wire is often referred to as jet rod on the spool. It is very productive. If you decide to swing with the wire I could probably throw you together a demo of it on my welding equipment. I keep a spool of it on hand at all times. It does put off a tremendous amount of smoke but you can set up a fan to blow it away just like stick welding. The fan will not cause any porosity with this process.
Good for production work in the flat, Fast burning rod that's easy to master.
thankx jody
Thanks for this video Jody. I learn a lot form watching your videos.
I would like to know if you have a preference on welders, is there any one you like more then the others?
Thanks
Thank you.
Jody I'm a DIY amateur welder, and always impressed by your welding skill which has lead me to become a bit OCD about my stick welding, I often grind butt joints down with a flapper disc just to see that I have a good looking fusion, no holes etc, but it then crossed my mind, does the welding fraternity ridicule people grinding down their welds to check on them all the time? Surely if you are proud of your work and confident in your own ability you leave them as is with no cosmetic treatment. I'm not talking about grinding welds for serious analysis as you do here, just wondered if it was " not done" to closely post mortem your own work a lot.
Do you discuss how to do a cut and assess of your welds , eg. What liquid are you using , how shiny must the cut be ?
any possible way to make a vid about Oerlikon spezial stick rods ? found these amazing rods (using it alot on my work (belgium))
Very good 👍 job
Oh man, it's been 10 years since I've so much as seen a jet rod
Where I work now I have a lot of old stuff in cabinets that was there long before I came ( 17 yrs.) and in cabinet of old welding rod I think there is 1 or 2 of some old fat jet rods. I think I might TIG weld a neat aluminum display stand for them
May I suggest a 7028, 7024, 7018 comparison video. 7028 is a low hydrogen “jet rod”. welds similar to 7024 but has 7018 flux. It’s different and not used often but I kinda like it. More than likely you’ll have to order it.
Muito bom!!!Excelente vídeo!!!Like!
Love 7024.
I have trouble with 6010s mainly the whipping motion /: they usually come out spaced out
Hey Jody, if the filler rod leaves the gas coverage can it become contaminated, I can't remember where I heard thatthanks Mike
Is a very good video my friend
Great for stair treads
Awesome and informative you described more in one video.thanks awesome 1610 7018 and 7024. Plz could you tell me which electode is better for strength of joint in agriculture cultivaters tine making. thanks I am beginner and want to make tractor cultivaters plough
7018
Amaging bro..
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The rebel looks like a beast!!! You do make great content. I adopted ya slogan. "I learned from an ole timer from north carolina
I do a lot of structural steel/pre-eng metal building fabrication and I have run at least a ton of these bad boys. Let me know what you think as for polarity and settings. I mostly run 1/8 or 5/32 and I always prefer DCEN rather than DCEP , though it runs on both, and lately I'm trying to mess with it in AC as I read somewhere it was designed to be ran on those old lincoln 225 AC machines and the formula hasn't changed much. I've got about 5 miles of weld to make these next few weeks so i'll be absolutely cookin these dudes lol
Nice video 🛠🛠🛠👍
weldingtipsandtricks I was wondering if you can do 2 topics for me or if u have done them send me a link.... #1 stick welding an aluminum rod , where would you use this and why? And how do you use it?
#2 using a 3/32 Hardfacing rod. Why do you want to Hardface something, prep, and how to do it proper.
Thank you for all your videos and your help
I hope to learn welding by a professor like you, 😭I love you from Iraq.🌹🌹🌹
Cheers Jody
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Man that puddle is crazy looking, it’s like a fire hose wide open into a lake
Hello, I have difficulty distinguishing between the molted metal and molten flux with the 7018 rods. I'm wondering if you could illustrate this by freezing the video of a 7018 bead and showing which is which? Thanks!
Superb!
Thanks for the video.
8:17 I must admit, I've been welding (in a hobbiest capacity) for years and have never been able to tell the difference between the puddle and the slag, even in your excellent photography. What should I be looking for?
Hey Jody really on the fence about the sentinel hood... in your honest opinion, do you recommend it? Thanks for all the great content
Hi Jodi. I am TOTALLY new to welding, but i built my own sand scoop for water gold detecting. I posted some pics of my gold rings to you about 2 years ago, you may remember me. Ok, My scoop steel is 2205 Stainless, the welder i have, i found brand new in the hard rubbish collection, it's a fixed 105 amp @ 25% cycle rate. I found welding this stainless with stainess stick rods awkward. TOO hot. but i did it, i did it in a series of tacks. UGLY as all get out, but structural enough. What's your view on what i just did? Haha, i look forward to your comments mate. Paul here from Australia.
Thanks again Jody. I'm off to weldmonger to spend money.
I have some Brutus a rods any thought on those
I am a big fan of you Jodi. But unfortunately I can't apply everything because Welding jobs and even training here in Egypt is very poor. Do you have any solution for me to get some training anywhere abroad?
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if theres one thing to say about 6011, it's that the slag sucks on it... not sure if some lower quality 6010s have the same problem but i hate 6011 slag
How long does it usually take to get a response from the weldmonger website
Did you ever use 7016s in the we use them a lot in pipe work and construction
I have not. But I am working on that with a friend
Hi Jody (my oldest son is called Jody), with what are you etching?
I used a solution called ox-out 545 made by chem clean for passivating stainless. I know its got some nitric in it but not sure what else
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hello welding family
What thick is the electrode?
Treasure trove if your new to laying welds with sticks:)
Like welding with a broom handle