How Are 7 Million Unemployed Men Actually Surviving? - Nicholas Eberstadt
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- Nicholas Eberstadt is a political economist, demographer, American Enterprise Institute scholar, and an author.
More than 7 million prime working age men in America are not looking for work, and each year that number continues to grow. Given that unemployment is at a massive low, why are so many capable men checking out of the workforce and don't intend on coming back?
Expect to learn why massive cohorts of men aren’t looking for employment, the repercussions of mass joblessness, how these men are able to support themselves, why they spend over 2000 hours a year on screens while smoking weed, the reason you haven’t heard about this issue before, what it does to men's mental health, the impact of women being the bread winners and much more...
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00:00 Intro
00:25 Exploring the Topic of Male Unemployment
06:51 Why Are So Many Men Unemployed in America?
16:05 How These Men Are Surviving
23:15 Impact of a Criminal Record on Male Employment
30:40 Differences Between Poverty & Misery
33:45 The Evolving Role of Masculinity
37:09 Would Universal Basic Incomes Be a Net-Negative?
41:56 What is Causing Malaise in Men?
46:35 Is Nicholas Worried for the Future?
51:16 Are Men Being Sedated?
54:16 Where to Find Nicholas
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Hello you legends. This is one of the most important new topics I've learned about recently, enjoy! Get my free Reading List of 100 life-changing books here - chriswillx.com/books/. Here’s the timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:25 Exploring the Topic of Male Unemployment
06:51 Why Are So Many Men Unemployed in America?
16:05 How These Men Are Surviving
23:15 Impact of a Criminal Record on Male Employment
30:40 Differences Between Poverty & Misery
33:45 The Evolving Role of Masculinity
37:09 Would Universal Basic Incomes Be a Net-Negative?
41:56 What is Causing Malaise in Men?
46:35 Is Nicholas Worried for the Future?
51:16 Are Men Being Sedated?
54:16 Where to Find Nicholas
type this in on youtube chris
ROCKET HITS FIRMAMENT watch the video
( there is not reason for us to work in this satanic society when GOD Christ is above the dome,
this place is temporary and I have no will to give my energy to satanic men who only want to see us
as tools and cattle I would rather be free and not have a lot of money then to be a slave and think im free )
Ever considered some sort of panel interview with say, men that aren't working, men that aren't in relationships, just gather a group of some different backgrounds and ages?
As someone actually in this demographic, none of these "experts" you keep bringing on are able to accurately diagnose the source of this issue. Its genuinely pathetic how they are so blind to something so simple to understand.
Spit on a man long enough and he will crawl across broken glass to stab their enemy in the heart.
(1) The Education system is designed to waste our time and financial resources, and is a social mobility retardant.
(2) Gender Equity Policies inevitably leads to women aging out of their fertility window & pricing themselves out of the dating market.
(3) What is the point of killing yourself in a poorly compensated & unfulfilling 9-to-5 job for promiscuous women who have damaged their ability to pair bond?
Not one of your guests has adequately addressed the ramifications of No Fault Divorce.
Men build to secure their legacy. We currently have a net negative when it comes to reproductive rights and parental rights overall.
Have you actually considered talking to people actually representative of this demographic?
Men: Stop treating us like shit, and pay us what we're actually earning.
Everyone: No.
Men: Fine, fuck it, we're out.
Well said.
Amen brother!!!
Yes - this!!!
Everyone: no no, come back, why you no work!?
Problem is your are arguing over the wrong things.
Its not the job stealing your money you agreed with.. Its Government
Taxes and inflation
Would you not love to see a 30% plus increase in your pay? Who gets a 30% pay raise?
The fight is not to make a place like McDonalds pay you 30hour. The fight is from the people who take 30% out of your W2, another 10% for everything you buy and more from inflation/state/fees. That is the real battle
Imagine actually getting back at least 40% of your pay every week? Imagine gas prices still being a dollar something.. Imagine eggs going back to being in the cents.
Focus on the real issues
The elites can’t stand the peasants not reaching for the dangling carrot anymore.
I think if that was really true they would do something about all those job advertisements that clearly aren't real.
That's why so many states are doing away with child labor laws.
They ain't even dangling a carrot anymore, they just dangle a string that looks like a noose.
@@Davids-cc9sn you’re not wrong
They want AI to replace human workers. It’s all too clear
I quit a job without two weeks' notice in 2019 after my millionaire boss said " You should be happy you have a job". He was paying me $14hr. My father got really sick. I had to take him to a doctor's appointment. My boss told me to hire a nurse. This dude was living in an alternative universe. I quit the next day.
I salute you for that. When I delivered newspapers literally in the dead of winter there was one super rich guy who never tipped me anything but Insisted give him 10 cents back so he "could buy a cup of coffee." As I recall I quit that paperoute without notice too. I just couldn't get motivated to be someone's slave.
@@testymann5045oh no, I think he was belittling you. What a jerk.
Pretty commonplace! I’ve experienced similar things. Leverage is scare!
Good. The only thing that would have been better is not even showing up to work and refusing to answer the phone if he called to complain.
why are you only commanding $14 an hour in the labor market? A high school kid can go to Bucee's gas station with no experience and get $18 an hour to start. you haven't raised your value beyond a non-skilled worker? Shame on you bro
I'm a six-figure earning engineer that writes software for space vehicles, and yet I think about quitting my job almost every day. Since I've made it into the upper-middle class and am doing well, yet I'm still miserable about the whole thing, I know that salary, benefits, and like really aren't the issue.
The issue is that there's nothing worthwhile to live for. Men can endure poverty, long hours, and all the difficulties of life...if it's for a worthy cause.
All the things that gave men purpose in life have been either commercialized or completely decimated in the last few decades: having a family, participating in a religion, wanting to improve or defend your society, etc. Family life has become atrocious for men, religion has been gutted and made more about politics and tribalism than reaching for something transcendent of us, and no one wants to improve this society because it's clearly a failing mess of radical ideology.
There's nothing to emotionally invest in anymore. Jobs just make the boss richer; they don't increase mating opportunities anymore, they don't contribute to anything greater or transcendent of us, and woke bullshit is shoved down our throats the whole time. There's no solid place to put one's energy. Thus, men are checking out to play video games and watch pr0n.
Brilliantly said sir. Well done.
I'm a trucker myself so I'm not on an amazing wage, but I do I vest nearly 30% of my income every week and have done for the last few months.
I do it for my son. I had him late in life but he is my world. I thought I was oh so clever and wise but since having my son I realise what's truly important.
Amen Brother. You took the words out of my mouth and put them to paper. I too am an Engineer. After my Wife called it quits, it left me living with my family. Oh, I have money from liquidated assets after the divorce (Homes), but so what. Boss gets richer of which is okay as I’m not a socialist, wife moves on with a banner of feminism and my So Cal family is card carrying wolk folk.
At 59 and a Veteran, I can’t wait to live in another country retired at 62.
The way I’ve been treated (White, middle class, non-degreed professional who has never bounced a check or struck anyone) it’s as if todays culture can’t wait for me to leave!
I’ll take my retirement income elsewhere. Thanks
@@jonmarchilgers384 Ya, I hear you brother. I've only been doing engineering for a few years and I'm already pretty done. I don't see the point of putting in these long hours. The pay is nice, but now that I have a nice nest egg and minimal expenses I'm already quite comfortable. It's amazing how little a single guy with no interest in the dating market really needs.
I'm probably going to join a monastery when my current lease is up. I see complete dedication to my spiritual practice as the only worthwhile path available. I don't have a particular religion exactly, but I learned meditation from a Buddhist tradition a while back and will continue that. I don't know what religion you hail from or believe in, but every one of them I know of has some sort of contemplative tradition. I was an agnostic atheist before I learned meditation and Buddhist meditation practices are very compatible with that worldview (they just instruct you to watch your breathing). But I know Christians have multiple contemplative traditions, as do Jews, Muslims, and Hindus.
You might give this a consideration. Most religion has become tribal and intolerable to me, but there's spiritual practice out there that still seems quite meaningful.
I quit my 300k software dev job, because the money becomes worthless. It does not give anything more. We can't save it due to inflation, we can't put it in the stock marked because if we win, all profit goes to taxes, and if we loose, we have to take the whole cost. Doing realestate is so heavy taxed and people renting belive they are checking in on a luxury hotel with 24/7 service and "the landlords are just gready capitalists that exploid them" without understanding most of what they pays goes to taxes and maintainance.
All i want in the end is just freedom. "I leave you alone and you leave me alone" but once we are not left alone, then what's point?
I live in Mexico and I think there are many factors but the most critical is how expensive things are now and what society expects from men.
Society wants us not to complaing about anything and accept that if you are poor and miserable is because you want it that way.
Women still want the old male responsabilities to be upheld by men but all the priviledges of modern feminism for them, society tells us that if you are young you are dumb and need to climb the salary ladder which will take a decade at least.
In the current economical conditions from your 20s to your 30s you will be broke barely paying the rent and bills and dating women is very expensive specially when they have Tinder to choose from 100+ different dudes, I mean they can party each week free of charge as long a different man pays.
In addition they won't accept a man that makes less than them and any women can make more than a man just by opening an OF account.
Women in the past were told to marry, have kids and choose a man that loved her and was willing to take care of her, the money was going to be there eventually if the man worked hard for it and she was going to take care of things at home for him.
Now they get the idea that they deserve the top tier men with the looks and the money, that creates lonely poor young men that even trying their best are still miserable also with the inflation out of the charts affording a home is becoming impossible so you stay with your parents the longer taht is possible or share a cheap apartment with other dudes.
Also jobs in Mexico are killing our souls, you just are a tool that has to live to produce and be efficient 6 out of 7 days a week.
Can you really blame men if they prefer whatever hobby they like ther most, drugs, whores, video games and doing just the bare minimun to survive rather than a life of hard work and a demmanding wife that can leave you at anytime and take half of the things that took you 20 years to build??? Men are losing hope in finding a decent young women, this exactly the root problem for young men: affording a home, having a wife and rising kids is a luxury now when it used to be the nucleus of a functional society...
Nothing I love more than an entry-level job demanding 4 years experience and a bachelors degree.
Fr like wth is with that I’m fresh out and can’t even get a chance to grow or gain experience f this
@@Graham_Patch Luckily I'm good. I just remember the pain of job hunting 10 years ago during the Obama era right after I got out of the Air Force. I really feel for the younger people these days because it is that much harder now.
I love this 💕 I will say me and some people I know have gotten lucky applying to those jobs anyways because they can’t get any “new” people woth that much experience
Supply + demand
who could have seen the repercussions of telling 3.5 generations of children that they must go to college if they want a good job and that blue collar work is for losers?
And the pay is minimum wage
For the last year since I got out of college with my engineering degree, I've put out hundreds of applications for entry-level engineering jobs, in companies that are actively looking to hire lots of entry-level applicants, and no one wanted me, leaving me stuck in a wood shop building crates, where I developed a reputation as one of the few guys who reliably showed up on time and sober. Then the wife of the man who owns the company came by on one of her daily walks around the company, struck up a conversation, found out that I had an engineering degree, and put in a word with the lead engineer; now I have my first engineering job offer.
Apparently, you don't get jobs by putting in applications. You get jobs through networking.
You just gotta know the right people
Yeah everything is about who you know that's why if you don't know anyone you are screwed
That's exactly right. I don't care what the field is. You develop relationships and get to know people. You need any reference you can and you are always developing relationships as your career develops. It's not right or wrong, it just is.
Yes, networking is everything.
Its not who ya know its who ya blow
When you are younger you believe there is an immutable relationship between merit and reward. As you get older you realise the relationship is between corruption and reward.
If you are incorruptible you will have very very little in this life.
Very true.
When I first started bricklaying, I had to keep lying to get on site. I got sacked from atleast 8 jobs before I got good enough to be called adequate. Then I got on with a firm who trained me properly, so was quite lucky.
I'm a trucker now, but I'll never forget how humiliating it was to lie like that and get fired again and again.
However, if I didn't put myself through that situation, I wouldn't of learned the skill.
Just to add, I'm not in construction anymore as they all tend to be drongos and they are all high on drugs - the mental health crisis with construction and road workers in England is unreal due to drugs
Hmphhhh... true
@@ourworldtoday2024 💩
@@mmmbbop9351 you don't think much of the drug use is the by product of not seeing a worthwhile path forward (plus any untreated mental/physical/social problems) but still needing some money, so putting in a half-assed effort by getting a job doing something, even if it means you're showing up kind of hung over and maybe reupping on your lunch break?
I don't imagine that most people in construction have everything going for them but then drugs crept in and fucked it up
(...not because there's anything wrong with construction, but it's a field where you do the hard work and often get rewarded less, so I don't think these people are calling most of the shots in life, hence why drug use might not be _the cause_ but another side effect of a challenging situation)
@@OurNewestMember you take forever to say nothing.
Men have faced many hardships over the years and not broken, but kicked life in the arse and emerged victorious and unbroken.
I understand exactly what you are saying and I think the reason why most construction workers suffer from these affliction's has got nothing to do with personal circumstances and everything to do with the culture.
Read "black rednecks and white liberals" by Thomas Sowell. It details the origins of the ghetto mentality and it's effects on the society that glorifies it.
I worked with a Lad from Stoke tonight (am currently in a hgv job which is double manned) and he was an absolute scumbag and revelled in that fact.
Over the last two weeks alone, I have worked with Africans, Polish, Romanians and the English.
My fellow countrymen have that ghetto mentality in spades and it makes me so God damned ashamed.
Quit my inside sales office job about 5 years ago. Couldn’t stand any of the people I worked with, and the more you did, the more they wanted. The whole environment seemed repressed and everyone seemed hypnotized.
I paint houses now by myself, live in a paid for mobile home on an acre of land and paint paintings and record music most of my time now. Never been happier. I’m so done with the matrix.
This is the way, I'm in a similar boat as you. At the end of this long employment battle I stopped looking at what I thought would make other people respect me and started asking myself; "what makes ME happy?".
Cheers, friend.
I admire you for doing the sales office job for any length of time. I couldn't do it
Excellent that you got out of there and are doing something you find rewarding
I worked 20 years in medicine, I mow lawns now and never been happier .
@@13infbatt I know the feeling, I’m mowing grass as well! Exercise, fresh air, little hard work, good pay, and a morning schedule... balanced.
That's awesome
I think the internet has given rise to a consciousness that Men are realising why work yourself into the ground for a society that treats you as disposable.
Yep finally we got the memo. I am already on the cusp of 30.
hit the nail on the head, my value to others is really the value of my income and the amount of respect people give you is tied so tightly to how popular you are.
Living off the grid has been more popular than ever before
You would think so but no. Men take great satisfaction building things. And want to be compensated for their labor. Then take that capital to spend anyway they want. You are talking nonsense to make yourself feel better for being unproductive. But if you got off your ass and started building houses or wrenching cars you would feel pride.
Capootalism
Modern jobs dont even pay rent.
Why is that so hard to figure out?
Men want a job that buys a car...take the woman out...save for a house.
These people are clueless.
Live like Mexican immigrants. 8 to 10 people per house. Share expenses
"These jobs, are going boys and they are not coming back.... to your hometown".
Takes rich ass people to interview on a topic and supposedly be experts but it goes right over their head 😅
They aren't clueless, they are hired narcissistic gaslighters.
Stop buying $40,000 vehicles and $1,200 phones.
A fellow once told me about an employer who required 10 years experience with a program that has only existed for 5 years. This same company turned away the person who invented the program because he didn't meet the 10 year requirement.
Lol 😂 This is brutal!!!
I watched youtube vid of a guy who applied for a managerial job at bestbuy. They turned him down cause he was older and they were looking for someone who was around 19 but who also had 5 years experience. So they wanted someone who started working as a manager at age 14? How is anyone supposed to take these employers seriously?
@@ntokheim lol can't be true
Just shows the ignorance of employers
😳
It should be "people don't want to be slaves anymore! " Instead of "people don't want to work anymore" Many people,
particularly the younger generation, use a range of unconventional methods of earning a living these days. I worked in the retail for over 10 years, so l'm quite happy that this is taking place. For too long, retail bullied me and a lot of my employees/colleagues saying things like "if you don't like it,go; another like you is waiting to get into your position " since the COVID, I found a job that helps me grow, pays me more and Values Me, Social media cleared the way for a rapidly expanding market, and it taught us a lot. 2020 was my turning point, and investment helped alot!
You're very right
There's almost nothing interesting or motivating about 9-5 anymore.
yh. The 2020 pandemic gave everyone a big rethink! I tried a lot of things; I realised I shouldn't just let my savings sit around in the bank, tried side hustles. It paid off! Right now I’ve got less work time, time for my family and stick making the 6 figures
Speaking about investing, what worthwhile Investments are you making? And how do you do it ? I can learn and put my savings into good use
Having to spend time with Family, that's the real MVP! 🏆 Time is your major asset as a human but these corporation try to steal it sadly.
There's various profitable ways to invest. Starting out you need to work with experienced hands to walk you through. As a rookie I dabbled in and made mistakes till I got a mentor to put me on the right track. You can search one too, read books and do your own research
Myth:"Nobody wants to work anymore!"
REALITY: Nobody wants to pay a DECENT wage anymore!
REALITY: Nobody wants to pay a DECENT wage anymore!
@@ettoretavilla3081 I ALREADY wrote that lol 🤣
People whom complain about men out of work ignore high inflation, pay that someone cannot live on alone, impossible work hours (constantly changing schedule), hostile work environment (including being forced to go to "classes" that say how horrible men are), no chance of promotion, nor reward (promotions and rewards go to those that check off marks for lists of demographics).
Any taxes the men pay go to benefit everyone else to allow everyone else to have an advantage over them (men).
What we are seeing is the variation of the "grass eater" movement that has been around in Asian for a while. Men see a no win situation in trying to have a career or start a family. So, they go to ground and do the basics to survive.
Historically, when men go to ground like this, the collapse of civilization is not far behind.
@@WilliamAGould Excellent reply there,
its designed by those at the top of "Triangle" to be like that
@@ettoretavilla3081 They dance around the real reasons without actually commenting on them.
Corporations have a built in interest to lobby for family courts to side with women.
While men and women make around 50/50 pay. Women pay for 80%-90% of the products corporations sell.
That is not even touching the loan industry.
Men checking out means no more families, no more loans, no more alimony/child support.
Minimalism cuts into tax revenue.
I love how these two men didn't talk about the elephant in the room, "Exploitation". Every job I have ever had, I have been pushed to my limits, to work fast, to work harder, or get laid off. Bosses exploit their workers, pay them low incomes and expect you to love them for it. This isn't a career, it's paid slavery.
One can look at it as old-fashioned slavery was where your masters provided you at least a place to live and food to eat. Now they just hand you a paycheck and tell you to find those things on your own. So, what's the big difference? The beatings are less?
you are just lazy.
serfdom maybe but slavery implies involuntary loyalty or servitude to a specific master. You're perfectly ALLOWED to not work a job. You're free to try and carve out an existence in whatever way you wish, it's just heavily incentivized to play the game or join the system.
Ikr. It isn't very motivating to waste almost all of your lifetime for work, while the people you work for make more than double the money than you do. Especially with big companies, where you work for investors/shareholders, that do absolutely nothing except cashing in on dividends from their shares, or hold board meetings from time to time, if their share is big enough lmao. And don't even get me started about all the influencers, streamers and e-girls, that get big money for being lazy too, while you work hard.
All work is like that. Try being self employed now that’s a brutal boss , in construction my husband is constantly pushed by general contractors and clients. Push push push…
Dedicate your life towards a shareholder-owned company, surrender your best years to it, see your bosses take credit for your work, then get outsourced/replaced by IT upgrades. I am astounded that more people don't throw it all in.
Throw it all in for what? To be a parasite on those of us who get up everyday and work to provide the food these people eat, the cars they drive etc?
Making an argument for parasitism isn’t edgy or smart
@@Witnessmoo I work every day, despite the looming economic tsunami about to hit the UK. We both are just a number who would gladly be replaced by a machine if the owners could do so. I have seen it happen before, sadly.
Sadly because if you throw in the towel, you'll be punished with poverty and no ability to access healthcare. Many are afraid of that and for their families and rightfully so.
We've been told over and over and over, through ads, through college classes, through HR deparments, society needs men like a fish needs a bicycle.
But its a lie of course. A society becomes weak without motivated men, and some dejected men can become dangerous in their behaviour as a result, others just cut off... and then more patriarchal ideologies can start to take over - either that or it makes the masses much easier to control
FISH don't need a bicycle, they need a tesla
@@rdallas81 "Fish don't need a bicycle" is the whole point...
I'm not a NEET but I perfectly understand why young men don't want to work anymore. More and more often I hear a version of this from people:
"When I was young I was told if I work hard, I will be able to have a nice house, a loving family, a car. Well, now I'm an adult, I work hard, very hard in fact, and the best I can only afford to rent a room in an apartment with two other people. I can barely afford a 15 year-old car and I cannot even bring a girl over"
Few people "want" to work. Let's be real, here: people work primarily to secure their own immediate personal ends or those of their families. Everything else is mostly incidental. Of course there are some people who actually enjoy what they do. Such people are usually said to have "careers" as opposed to mere "jobs".
Ok, Captain Obvious rant over 😊
Yup and its a shit show created by incompetent government.
Thank the influx of illegals (aliens)
If you can't afford any of those things, I highly doubt you 'work hard'.
@@mrsleep0000 There are tons of people 'working hard' who are basically just subsiding housing and Walmart and the auto sector. I can't remember the figure off hand, but a LOT of americans have very few savings let alone 'wealth'.
Thats ALL intentional, thats the 'american way of life'.
It's quite simple:
When you're constantly losing at every turn.
The only winning move is to not play.
That's part of the issue yes, everyday life and the future have become so chaotic and messed up these last years that many just tune out. This won't end well.
@@Wayoutthere What chaos? It's a combination of agendas, including constitutional emasculation.
Eek that’s a pretty bleak outlook. Get out of your city, change your environment and it will change you too. Good luck in your venture
If one is constantly losing at every turn even while others win, then the problem is oneself.
@@clermeil I'll let the people in North Korea know that. They must have forgot
I gave up years ago. Homeless and living out of my car and never been happier
How do you do it? You gotta make at least some money for gas and food.
I worked hard in school and took a sensible marketable degree. My father always taught me hard work an education was the path to a happy life. Now I'm serving burgers after spending tens of thousands of dollars on loans for a scientific degree. This realization that this country is no longer about hard work and the American dream was a tough one to face.
Wow....that is tragic indeed. I'm sure you're not the only one who had to go through this capitalistic BS.
Don't give up! You could make shift manager.
JK. Tons of people find themselves doing stupid work after training for something that sounded good.
Part of trick is that unless you're already wealthy and/or well-connected, what drives the next step is when someone with the resources really needs/wants someone badly (for a new project, to replace someone.... Whatever.... Doesn't matter too much).... That's where you come in. Typically your degree barely matters. What matters is that they need someone and they either like you enough or dislike the idea of finding yet another candidate.
I know. It's not flattering.
So you can improve the success rate by bumping into more people with needs (eg, more networking, applying for jobs farther outside your current chosen field), or just allowing more time (not ideal, but can work).
Basically, the variable here is not you (because you don't have the thing you want, which is the more suitable job), it's the people with the thing you want. They'll typically call a recruitment company once they get approval to hire someone, so if you make yourself available where the recruitment companies look for people, you're likely positioned to finally close the loop by finishing their tedious candidate search and bringing your days of picking up your shift schedule for the restaurant to a close.
There's nothing magical; it's very mechanical and not explained too job applicants.
Who told you science was marketable? How did you come to that conclusion or sustain is as a scientist who presumably lives in a world of cold logic and pragmatic reason?
Wrong path pal
Working a job where the most productive guy gets paid the same as the least productive that creates more work for me is a great feeling. Very fulfilling
Don’t be productive
@@song-signs Some of us have a very strong work-ethic built into us from our upbringing. It takes "more work" for us to not be productive. I see the non-productive types at my work. It's amazing how they are able to bullshit for 5 hours of their 8 hour day, doing maybe 3 hours of real work, and the other 5 hours pretending to work, walking to the breakroom, bathroom, checking their phones, making small talk with the other employees, basically doing anything and everything but their actual job. For me, my day goes by much faster if I'm pedal to the medal working. If I try to deliberately be unproductive, an 8 hour day will seem like a 20 hour day. Some of us don't even have a choice
@@Psmitty97 have you ever considered that maybe you were taught the wrong things?
That maybe that other lazy guy was taught the right thing?
It’s quite simple actually. If someone strategy nets success and another person’s strategy nets failure, who is doing things right?
It's even more fulfilling when the least productive guy who creates more work for you is your boss because he's an idiot. So you end up doing the work of 3 or 4 people, but he only pays you minimum wage.
Start your own business.
The simple fact that men being paid to do physical labour, at a minimal rate, and being shown no consideration for that effort, left battered and broken, is why men do not want to continue being used, ignored and latterly disregarded. In this 'new world' of equality and diversity how is that young men are still being used and abused as a beast of burden yet the media remain silent after decades of broken bodies that are then treated like a parasite on society because they are no longer able to work?
someone i know who has worked and paid taxes his whole life was not given temporary accommodation when left homeless after breaking it off with his ex-girlfriend, he had to live in his car. Men are tossed aside so we can home and pay for single mothers. When we stop catering to men and encouraging masculinity, society collapses.
Here here brother.
@@brianmeen2158 retard-tier reply
@@brianmeen2158Lack of interest, lack of particular aptitude, lack of acceptable genitals and/or melanin concentration to be considered, and ethical opposition to accepting a role so pointless and unfairly well compensated come immediately to mind.
Same. In my early 20s, I was knee-deep in sewage, watching the women whoring around in my circle of friend complain about their little jobs in nice offices and outdoors and salaries superior to mine.
"equality", right, my a$s (everyone's, to be literal).
When I hit the age of 23, I realized that although I lived in comfort, something was missing and that I was miserable. I dedicated a year of my life to improving myself, finding religion, fixing my diet, exercising, and I even slimmed down 80 pounds. There is one problem, despite having decent prior work experience, I still can't seem to ever land a job. The ones in my area dont really pay enough to be worth doing (try $12/hr when average rent is 2-3k in rent), but I apply anyway. I make it to interviews, some even second and third round, and end up getting ghosted. Gig economy didnt work out either. Creating my own online store just made me lose thousands. I find it comical that I decided not to be a NEET, to dramatically improve my life, and yet the final decision on whether or not I get to be is not even up to me. Either I get a lucky break, remain a leech all my life, or kill myself. What other options do I really have, when I got rejected for fast food, office work, or a janitorial job all the same?
join the military lol
You don't land a job by putting in applications. You land a job through networking. What you're doing is great and building your confidence, but what you really need to do is go out and meet people and NETWORK. That is how you're going to land a lucrative job. Applying through applications is a complete waste of time
@@Nichi8404 Well I think the military follows under kill your self. That's just killing your self with honor.
@@Nichi8404 I joined the navy this year, and I got discharged before finishing boot camp because of my anxiety. I'm 26 and was trying to get out of being a NEET. I know in hindsight I wasn't fully mentally prepared (though I thought I was going in), but fuck were those living conditions inhuman! I realize boot camp is supposed to be hard, but it truly felt dehumanizing. I found out in separations that even if I had made it all the way through training, I probably would've gotten pulled out last minute for ADHD anyway.
Chronic depression and anxiety sucks. I'm not on any substances, but I am living with my retired dad and I have almost no motivation to do anything but go to church and play video games. I know I need a purpose, but between my mental struggles and the current state of society, I just don't know what to do.
@@jip230- Now here is someone who actually gets it. Applying for postings or just sending resumes is a lost cause. I got every job in my life due to networking, which often raises the whine, "it's not what you know but who you know". Tough...thats life. And once I was in, I got 3 or 4 more hired because of who they knew...Me...
for alot of men 22-30 the job market is just totally overwhelmingly shitty and they just drop out. they have little to no work experience and noone will hire you with no experience, because employers got used to being able to get people with 5 years experience and a college degree applying en masse for entry level positions. so now employers cant get college degreed people with experience to apply so they just dont hire anyone for entry level positions, which leaves the ppl who ARE working to do the work of 1.5-2 people because youre chronically understaffed. you get extremely discouraged. it's a no win scenario with so many employers now. the new norm now for good paying jobs is like 60-70 hour weeks with working from home on the weekend usually required to meet deadlines. it's ridiculous. couple that with housing prices being roughly half of most ppl's incomes, you start to realize that youre a hampster on a wheel of inescapable work.
I have a bachelors degree, a car paid off, no debt, no kids, and even then I still have to live at home because jobs don’t pay living wages. I have a perfect attendance award for not missing 1 day of high school in 4 years. I have a bachelors degree in biology. I was working at Memorial Herman hospital in Houston. I worked in the lab diagnosing leukemia and blood cancer patients. My pay was 15 an hour even with my degree. They even made me bring my degree in so they could make a copy of it. Plus the job was only part time so I only made 1200 a month.
I left and went to another lab full time at a Covid testing center and they only paid 15 an hour. Rent for a 1 bed room in my area on average is 1300 a month and they want 3 times the rent. Not to mention an absolutely toxic work environment. It’s not worth it anymore
I don't know what it is about lab work, but it has always seemed heavily underpaid given the requirements
@@_Junkers
No kidding.
Also if you help in any lab studies. You know where you get paid to be sick. The government will tax you on that.. which is f**ked up.
I make more than that working an entry level job at an amazon warehouse
Lol 😆 🤣 😂 McDonald's pays 22.50 an hour in my area 🤣 😅 😂 my job a have a degree for pays me 17.50 an hr 😅 🙃 🤣 t h e juice ain't worth the squeeze.
Buc-ees pays more than that per hour. Hot bbq on the block!!! But seriously, with all that they charge the patients for bills, you know they are making good money there, difference is, the boss is not willing to share that in the form of pay because he will get that in the form of a bigger bonus of he keeps your pay down.
I’m a software engineer. I pursued this career because I was always told that I need to go to college. I didn’t know what I wanted to study, so I decided to make my studies an investment with a good financial ROI. Ten years later, I’m absolutely miserable. I’m financially stable, but mentally unhealthy. My wife died by suicide a few years ago. Our biggest sources of stress were our shitty, meaningless jobs. I'm barely able to keep a low stress, good paying, work from home job because I'm burnt out and suffer from PTSD. It’s simple…what incentive do young males have to take jobs that disconnect them from nature, themselves, their purpose, their esteem, their sense of self worth, their friends, their families, and their communities and doesn’t even pay enough to buy a house…much less afford to raise a family? Meanwhile we’re addicted to products and content created by younger, healthier, funnier, more charismatic, better looking, and more confident millionaires who condescendingly shame anyone for not thriving in a capitalistic system where 3 billionaires are worth more than half of the population.
I'm sorry about your wife. Hang in there and keep saving your money. Debt is slavery, focus on getting free.
Amen brother, it fucking sucks.
I am sorry for your loss. There are proven and relatively quick ways to treat burn out and PTSD. You can look into research using MDMA or magic mushrooms + counseling, Amsterdam in the Netherlands is a good place for it since the substances are in top quality.
Iboga therapy is supposedly even stronger (haven't personally tried that). Regarding meaning, I would do that after integrating the PTSD and from a more relaxed point of view using existential therapy. You can combine all that with Ashtanga style yoga, I would be very surprised if after a few months of daily practice of Ashtanga (very different from other yoga styles) you are still in the same state. I think it is practically impossible but who knows.
Find the right teachers and you can grow. You can put meaning in the most mundane and seemingly redundant things in life, however coming from a position of self efficacy and control is important for your well being.
God bless you, that's tough to hear.
I learned a trade and I’m feeling the same. So don’t think it the specific job. If you don’t have kids and you’re still young I recommend you bail on the job for a couple of years to travel the world.
Sorry about your wife.
Let’s see, bullying managers, bullying HR, passive aggressive work policies, work place politics, leave, KPIs, leaving home in the dark/ getting home in the dark, working in the PM at w/ ends just to keep your head above water, workplace favourites, cost of petrol, parking , that sense that your living to work. Knowing that when you leave no one will miss you after two or three days ! Just off the top of me head like!
I just cant figure it out 🤔
I quit my last real job at 40 and have NO desire to ever work again. I don't need the money, and my time is far more valuable to me than any amount of money you can offer me. Most jobs are pointless and soul crushing. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to work.
I'm turning 40 in June and feel like doing the same.
I'm barely able to pay my bills at 38, and there's no way I could just quit my job.
UK retirement age is going up to 71.
@@misscoutts6193 That's unfortunate, because its just going to make it even harder for young people to find decent jobs. The elderly need to retire to free up places in the labor market for younger people just getting out of school. If they don't, high youth unemployment results, along with a host of social problems like a reduced birthrate (young men and women without jobs choose not to have kids), increased crime, increased dependence on social welfare programs, etc.
Longer exploitation
This entire conversation just enrages me. Im 55 and have worked through 40 years of stagnant wages and the financial collapse. Its a sick game and people are over it. Why so many? Its a winner take all and very few opportunities to be winners.
Im with you. I am retired now and get offers all the time to work. Why the hell would I want to work...Im retired.
Only criminals make it thru this system rich
@@marcduchamp5512 bullshit. Only those who don't have a liberal arts degree.
The days of easy manufacturing low skilled high paying jobs is over. You need to be skilled to make good money now
@@richardramfire3971 I spliced, terminated , and tested fiber optic lines. Set up new splices, performed and live cuts after midnight, had a CDL and the whole nine for $15.50 an hour that's junk wages. Five years of that. Located utilities for USMC in high commercial areas for $12 an hour. Wired two houses a week with one other person for $10 an hour. Worked maintenance for the world's largest tanning bed manufacturer, about 300 beds a day, setting up new production lines and all kinds of stuff $10 an hour. Worked in commercial building construction for 10 years and never made more than $15 an hour. My highest wage was $16.80 doing maintenance for Travel Centers of America. Looking back it's pathetic and outrageous. Now I do odd jobs around town and charge what the market will bare. I'll never work for another employer.
I'd say 90% of the "problem" is the employers. Not getting 350 people to apply for one crappy job is now a "crisis."
Absolutely
Yup I applied for a very shitty grocery store job now they won't leave me alone with their calls!
not if they are choosing not to work, living off relatives and welfare instead of even looking for work.
Yup, greed, 400 times inequality in pay from top to bottom of a corporation. Used to be 40 times maximum from laborer to CEO. Stock market ruined the world once again. Been a few wars over this already. These guys are head in the sand anti regulation types, it has never worked without the government on the little guys side, of course some regulations are insane and make things worse for the little guy as well, has to be well targeted and crafted.
Shitty pay, shitty job, and they wonder why people won't
I haven't worked for several years, and I can tell you exactly why. Like most people, I went to college, got a BS in a field that was supposedly in demand, but after graduating, couldn't find a job. I don't mean that I applied to a CEO position and got rejected then gave up. I mean I sent out applications and resumes, every day, for almost 6 months, and didn't get a single reply.
I wasn't applying for executive positions, senior anything or high level jobs. I was applying to entry level positions in the field that my degree was in. I got a BS in business administration for anyone curious.
After 6 months I gave up and got a name tag job. Years later I tried again, and got the same results. You can only deal with a 0% success rate for so long before you give up completely.
Did you try networking?
@@anuragchakraborty8766 Of course, but it never yielded results for me so I think I suck at it pretty badly.
I don't mean to be a jerk, but Business Administration doesn't really have jobs at the end of it; there's little or no demand for this degree. No one is going to hire you even as a low level manager straight out of college just because you have a Business degree. Someone lied to you when they said it's in demand.
The business degrees that are in demand are Accounting, MIS, and Actuarial Science. Those have actual jobs at the end of them.
@@saintsword23 No worries, and you are absolutely correct. I graduated back in 2008, right as the great recession was hitting. Back then, a degree in Business Admin was a guaranteed job, because at the height of the economic boom of the 2000's, any degree was.
I just happened to graduate at the worst time.
@@fuzzypanda1684 Ah, I see. Well, I'm glad you didn't take me the wrong way. I think our whole generation was lied to about college degrees.
I went back in my 30s for Computer Science, and that was the right choice, but "any degree is a good degree" has always been a lie. My grandfather still tells all of us his own variation of it: "any knowledge you get they can't take away from you," to this day!
Because it feels like we can't win the current game. It feels hopeless. Wages are low, inflation is high, and my monthly health insurance premium is $400 a month! Most people aren't complete idiots, when we see that the system isn't working, we give up. The same thing happens in video games, people ragequit...
Holy crap.
Speaking of declining benefits, I worked a job 20 years ago, entry level mechanic profession that required trade school and a license. Soon after starting, the coffee creamer was removed from the break room to "save money." A year later, the coffee disappeared too. Even the simplest of pleasure is not worth a couple bucks to employers. And this was 20 years ago!! It is worse now.
I'm in canada and worked at a pot factory. They talked about how important the workers were, we asked for a raise. Nope. They brought in fruit instead in the morning, which people ate so fast that they stopped doing that as well.
It depends what industry you are in. I have worked in the private medical field for a smaller company. The company was genuinely struggling to get by so cut corners. But if you work for a tech company..... the sky is the limit. Free buffet bars and expresso next to the indoor tennis court and mini roller coaster. But even they are tightening their belts now.
@@nerthus4685 Yeah thats not really true about tech. Thats mostly hype. EVERYBODY I know in tech works contracts or else is trying to get something going on the side they hate their job so much.
@@nerthus4685 I've worked in tech since 2010 and have never had a job like that. Most tech jobs aren't the Silicon valley/Google stereotype.
Now the employees have to “chip in” for a f in coffee lol 😂
Minimum wage $7.25. "Why is nobody applying for this job?" Yeah, it's a real mystery.
😂 right. Doesn't even include that technically due to inflation AND govt taxes, your really making like 3 or 4 bucks an hr.
Real mystery. Back breaking work for something that in an 8 hr shift you wouldn't even be able to pay one simple bill now a days.
Bingo!
Yup federal min. Has been 7 25 for over 20 years even when the great recession in 2008 . The data is obvious. Why do u think native born school graduates are more likely to not be working than less educated immigrants? It's not cuz of the American dream .working a dead end job for a multi billion dollar corporation isn't ever going to get u the American dream.. no offense to immigrants, I glad they do it cuz I can't...yea there's a Macdonalds by my house and every single one speak Spanish as 1st language, none of them are making a living or reasonable age .I'd never apply for that job ever sorry..most Americans know why they don't want those jobs because there's no reason to be there
Yea I feel bad for some states. Atleast in Washington the min is 17.50 but I've never seen jobs that low so altho have had many different jobs ,if haven't made under 20 for like 7 years out of my 10 years of working. So I can actually make almost 200 in a day. It doesn't go far there but it feels better mentally
The minimum wage is $7.50 in my State...but most places offer $15+ for entry level jobs. They only want people who can produce $17.89 or more in goods or services because they pay payroll taxes in addition to wages. $15 is what the Market says is necessary to get applicants.
Not from the US. But I can explain why the problem is even worse - way worse - than what people think it is. I live in the so called "world's best country to live in", Norway. I calculated that if I buy a relatively cheap and small apartment. And I cut all expenses to the point life isn't even worth living anymore. Living on water and bread and not buying or doing anything. It would still take me 25 years of slavery to pay down that one tiny apartment. That's your whole life, the most meaningful part of it anyway, slaving away to afford a tiny ass apartment. If you don't do ANYTHING but dedicate ALL resources to paying it down. Living 25 years in a "prison". If you want to live too? Even a spartan life? 50 years.
Back in the day? Build a cabin through 6 months of hard work. You now have a home for life.
Now? Slavery for life. To buy a tiny apartment alone.
It's not young people being lazy. Give me a small piece of land to build my small house which is mine. Let me work day and night on it. With tears, sweat and blood. I'm motivated. Now I can continue working, and live life. Today's society? 95%+ of the population is being bled dry. There's no motivation. No incentive for anything. It's not lazy people, it's not work ethics, we are being bled dry as slaves to society to feed the pockets of the 1%. Debt slaves with our lives rotting away with minimal to no return.
People who become criminals? Sane. People who run off-grid to live in the wilds? Sane. People choosing to end it all? Sane. People who conform to today's society? Insanity.
A lifetime of slavery for the smallest thing, a place to call home. Bled dry from all directions fed into the machine so the 1% can enjoy life at the expense of everyone else. People don't want to work because the oppression of society has reached a point where there is no longer any motive or incentive to do anything.
This will only get worse. And worse. And worse.
There's a lot to this. I've long wanted to move out into a cabin in the woods and spend my days meditating and reading/writing philosophy. To even get a crappy, uncleared 1 acre of land in a low COL state you're looking at $20,000. That's before anything is built, any permissions from the local government you need to build are asked for, and etc. $20k, just for 1 acre of land you can put a tent on.
And if you do build a cabin, it better not be substandard housing. You'll be forced to add tens of thousands of dollars of features just to bring your house up to code.
It's insane. Boomers have done everything to lower the supply of real estate in order to jack up their property values. EVERYTHING.
@@saintsword23 I've also long wanted to do the same thing, but have realized all the issues you wrote there. This whole thing is a rigged game for us to fail.
In my grandfather's day and age, men and families had community. Also, when men went to work, there was absolute loyalty on both sides (employee & employer).
As a 60 yr old male living in the USA I have been told so many times "we want a woman for this job" or "you are overqualified for this job". Many of us have been told to go away and not just in the job dept.
No one has told you they want a woman for this job, because that’s EEOC violation you could take action against. Come on.
@@ronswansonsdog2833 that just shows me how ignorant of reality you are.
@@andred3299 no money in it. No lawyer would take it.
Yes!!! Being told you’re overqualified. How absolutely stupid is that? To turn away a prospective employee excuses they’re too good?
@@ronswansonsdog2833even if they did want a woman it's because they have mostly men.
I think that people feel defeated by the insane cost of living. Long gone are the days when 40 hours a week would get you a house, long gone are the days when you can find a decent spouse.
Women used to find a man with potential. They used to serve as the primary motivator for male success. Now you already have to be financially stable (preferably well off) in order to make eye contact with the ogre woman working at fuckin' 711.
Used to be able to have a family and kids and house on ONE lower middle-class salary.
this
I just saw a listing for a crummy one-story house in my town behind a chinese restaurant and a nursing home. Half a million bucks. Yup, Ill never own a house.
Exactly. Let's see though how these billionaires who own corporations and politicians fair when men men drop out of society completely and they can't continue their corporate operations. And it's their fault
If you're unemployed and have no intention of getting married and employed, I understand you. As long you're not one of the guys who destroyed their own health and trust big pharma and government to fix it, unemployment just means you have self-respect and aren't a willing slave at this point.
I work a different job every couple of months. Some I quit on the first day. And it's not laziness or feeling entitled just because I have a college education. I actually enjoy exertion and manual work and always worked those sorts of jobs and always had energy left for physical hobbies after work.
Despite the crisis and shortage of white collar jobs, there's lots of work everywhere here in Croatia if you don't mind physical labor. Yet every single job either has *lots* of mandatory yet somehow legal overtime, has me breathing in toxic fumes and dust with no protection ("Oh, don't be a wuss! We all eat from aluminum foil, so its fine dust can't possibly be toxic!"), or instead of having me be someone's apprentice to actually learn the damn job properly in the first place, immediately has me responsible for teaching and organizing 5-10 immigrants because I speak 4 European languages while most Croats employed in blue collar work speak none. No leadership and organization tasks ever get mentioned at the job interview or in the job description, yet once I start it's: "Oh btw, show these guys the basics! You'll find a way to communicate!"
These are African, Filipino, Indian, Nepalese, Syrian immigrants who barely speak a word of any of my languages. Every employer I find in manual work has a bunch of them. They are always a huge loss to productivity and they demand extra attention outside of work. They need company organized accommodation because they can't even take care of that themselves. Many of them are literally slaves and are in the country illegally via shady agencies. Inspectors and various other bureaucrats need to be bribed. Doctors need to be bribed to take care of their medical emergencies off the grid. Some need to be bailed out in the middle of the night for drunkenness and if they're the illegal ones that entails yet more bribes. Some have outbursts of rage spontaneously at work.
It's not racist to say any of this. In fact, the half-literate rural Croats and Bosniaks here are worse than most foreigners anyway.
These employers are damaging their own companies with irresponsible hiring and in many cases it's driving away their most productive employees to go seek work abroad. I can't shake the feeling at this point that most of them would rather have slaves to abuse to try to fill holes in their egos, than having efficient workers getting more things done.
Never once have I quit because of low pay. I just want some healthy conditions and I want to enjoy focusing on doing the damn thing instead of worrying about how to teach something I'm not very competent at yet to a bunch of lazy illiterate drunks. I own a house and have no debt and no addictions. I'd have already given up on the rotten system and just accepted the dole by now if my family didn't have too much income and too much property for me to be able to qualify for any category of it.
Free time and less money sounds way better than having sodding lead, glue, paint, thinner etc. in my skin and lungs 9-10 hours a day and worrying which scumbag might try to stab me or push me off a ladder or scaffold in their next temper tantrum.
I've had the same job for almost 6 years now and I can not find a relationship. That is something I actually want but it is something I just can't find and it's really making things seem like they are pointless and I basically just live the same thing every day
This Eberstadt guy is a member of the World Economic Forum. What a shocker.
Yeah i got an illuminati vibe from him. He keeps saying he can trace it all back to 1965 but never once talks about feminism.
Many say no work, no reward.
I say, "No Reward, No Work."
How is that working out for you? Because the video says these types are killing themselves.
I like the way you think......:)
@anniealexander9616 That's kind of going to be a problem for you, Annie, since males keep the lights and air conditioning along with a million other facets of civilisation going.
@@anniealexander9616 im chillin
@@dasit6034 I'm chillin too. The difference is I've built wealth. Yesterday, I used that wealth to day trade.
Last week, I was told off by a guy I won't see. He won't work and I don't want to support a man. He was working when I met him but he quickly got fired. He has got another job since then and quit. He lives off his brother. He wants to move with me and build a classic car in my garage. He wants me to get $200 cable. He also informed me he wanted his buddies to come over and chill. Meanwhile, he expects me to be working and paying the bills.
I am sick of bs, guys. I am an engineer. Got laid off for successfully completing a big project for the company that contracted me. Got a call from the agency on my way home, instructing to not come back. And I am never going back. This wasn't the first time this type of thing happened to me. Even worse, I've seen incompetent people rising thru the ranks like hot air balloon. The people who bugged me with questions and scenarios all day, one married woman who loved coming over to make inappropriate jokes and act thirsty. I am dreading the idea of having to look for a job again, answering the same stupid questions I've pretty much written a book on, carrying people on my back so they can make multiple six figure salary while I am left in the limbo. More men need to just say "fk it" and move out. The system hates us. Even if you are good looking dude that HR ladies can thirst over - you are nothing more than a number.
Rich & not working: OK. Poor & not working: Scandal!!!
Well, ya, that one is pretty explainable: rich and not working means you can still pay your own way. Poor and not working means others/society has to take care of you.
@@saintsword23 If illegal immigrants get paid for doing nothing, why shouldn't we?
@@PrivateSnafu14 No one should get paid for doing nothing. Rich and not working means you already DID get paid. Huge difference.
I’ve gotta throw in my 2 cents because I’ve had to personally deal with this over the last 3 years. It’s a myth, in my experience, that there are millions and millions of jobs out there at the moment. I left the military in 2019 and have had an impossible time finding a job. The only work I’ve been able to get is driving part time for my father in law. I was an aerospace engineering officer in the air force. I have a BSc in mathematics and am currently doing a MSc in Comp Sci part time. I’ve applied to hundreds of jobs that I’m qualified for, over qualified for, under qualified for. I’ve applied to many veteran friendly companies and used vet resources. Fuck all. I’ve had maybe 10 interviews over the last 3 years and none of them went anywhere. It’s actually crazy. I’ve tried to get help many times from people including HR professionals and everyone says I have a great resume.. but at the end of the day I’m still here driving a truck.
Its standard operating procedure to have a poorly designed ATS system and an incompetent HR department to filter out any competent resumes.
Most of the HR Admins I knew are cultural marxists and can barely read.
Have you learned about ATS systems by any chance? I had luck with worse credentials than you because I learned how to organically tailor my resumes to specific positions.
"Yo bro, you just like, have to want it man" - every podcast on earth
@@beneficent2557 got any articles you reccomend?
@@beneficent2557 That's not how ATS works, it just looks for specific words or phrases in a resume.
Man, why watch this for an hour? The answer is simple: you can slave for 40-80 hours per week at a "decent" job, sacrificing your social life and hobbies, and STILL not make it. I am not one of these unemployed men, but it's easy for me to understand why this group grows. All the money is continually funneled from our pockets to the top.
You people in the comments keep missing the overall point. Men have been over worked literally for thousands of years, but we’d always work. What changed? The nuclear family changed. There’s more single women/ men than ever before in history. Average women don’t want average men anymore so average men are thinking “ well why do I need to work? I’ll never have a family “
@@tommartyn524 Don't agree. There are many women who dream of a nuclear family with a good, average, working man (despite whatever unimaginable manmade horrors await future generations). For that matter, there are plenty among us who can accept being overworked so long as they can provide well for a family. Right now, for many, that's just not possible. Your woman will be working full time just to pay for childcare, and you'll be working overtime to just barely pay everything else.
@@spartansfan1026 you can disagree all you want but you’d still be factually wrong. Go look at the studies, listen to podcasts, look at the studies on dating apps. Women are setting their filters for 6’3 men who make 6 figures. The average women DOES NOt want the average man. That’s not my opinion, that’s literally what women are saying.
Furthermore, I’ll make the same point. Men have been overworked for literally thousands of years and those men were more than Willing to work ? What changed? The nuclear family changed. Average women have turned their backs on average men
@@tommartyn524 So why is it that women want a man making so much money? Because our so-called "job creators" have left the average population sorely lacking in jobs that can support a family. I can't blame women in trying to seek a partner that can provide.
@@spartansfan1026 I knew you would do that. You literally just basically agreed with me and you’ve tried to justify women’s shallowness. “ well yeah women want men who make a lot of money but it’s justified “. Regardless of why women turned their backs on average men; you literally just agreed that they are IN FACT turning their backs
On average men. Women have done what I said they’ve done; as to why is a separate discussion entirely
When you grow up in a world that teaches you nothing about it for about 2 decades but expects you to know everything about it without ever providing you the means, you get the “manchild”. Because most of these men grew up without the guidance of men.
I worked for 6 weeks at a Las Vegas hotel in an entry level jov. I am a late 40s woman. The managers and coworkers were all 20 somethings. Out of 25 employees maybe 2 of them had a somewhat ok work ethic. One manager stood by for 8 hours doing nothing while I folded towels the whole time. Yeah. See ya.
I studied to be a geologist, 6 years. I love the outdoors, mountains, hiking. I ended up doing a mind-numbing desk job. I quit after 3 years. Building a career is also just torture. Low-income, no free time at some 'competitive' contractor. After a decade you can look forward to the fun stuff. Hell no. I was wasting my life. I was lost, bored and depressed. I sold everything, burnt all my bridges, went to Africa and volunteered in wildlife law enforcement. No proper income, but lots of fun, adventure and experience. Best decision ever. 20 years later I am now a comic artist, sharing my fun experiences. I've had a good life do far, but I couldn't have done it without first shedding myself of these social expectations.
wow!
So funny about the burnt all my bridges part 😂..
What a noble job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I love animals, but hate poachers!
Congrats to you! You came to the realization young and pulled yourself out of the matrix! I too am much happier after leaving the "cult" of main stream society. If you have a pulse you should have a bachelor degree, work in corporate hell America, married, 2.2 kids, house and strive to make the 6 figure salary. So glad I said pick a finger to that and never looked back and couldn't be happier, I love life!
So true!
Men don't want to work because the benefits don't outweight the work. Because Women don't value that a man is willing to work a shit job for them and don't care that they smoke themselves to provide for their family. Men went from being supported and held in high esteem to now be chastised and not appreciated. Men finally said, F it. The juice just isn't worth the squeeze.
So you want women to want losers because you bust your ass at a shit job that can’t pay bills??
Truth. Almost every man I know has been destroyed by divorce and child support. Women will divorce for almost no reason and family Courts will reward them for it.
I agree
You speak for the vast majority which is the right thing to do. Can't live off of exceptions.
I totally agree!! Because why would I want to be with someone who was insensitive and not able to articulate their feelings but instead want me to be below them in order for them to feel good I'm so not about being mistreated and unappreciated.
Work for what? To be hated by society and lose everything in a divorce?
I am 52 years old and had my neck broken and my back broken and I'm still working. Because it's work or starve because. I can't get any help. I'm in so much pain every day I can't stand it but denied my disability benefits. I think it's because there is virtually no mechanics left in our society.
I'm a university graduate in my mid 50's now, with a successful 30 year professional career. Many years ago I saw a future, a house, a good woman, a nice retirement. Now I see none of that, just total disillusionment as I watch everything being taken away and I see an old age of hardship. My dad taught me to be an honest, hardworking, responsible man. He was right to do that, but where does it get us? I watch terrible, lying people prosper. Why bother? There is no meaning in any of it and I'd walk away from it all in a heartbeat.
You could make a difference with 1 person and pass it on.
GED, non-college,blue and gray collar tasker, frugal, long term aggressively invested in large caps (until recently) retired 7 years ago under 50, wife works part time at a job she loves with good medical benefits. We are low income, high assets so we don’t get any government cheese but we don’t pay for so many other peoples “bad luck” any more
@@Savagetennis that is not guaranteed to be effective.
Why should the fact that an incredibly small minority prosper cause anyone to just "give up" and throw in the towel? Makes no sense whatsoever..
@Jonathan Bell you need guarantees? There is your own personal satisfaction that you can learn to seek through helping others.
Who said life is fair? Who said guarantees are included? Life is earned not deserved. And life isn't easy and it is tragic. But it was given to you. Seek and explore.
The majority of my friends are making over 110k a year, and THEY ARE ALL MISERABLE!
Most of them are burned out, PTSD, and extremely lonely!
That's why i moved to St Thomas in 2017 after being an engineer for 5 years and became a bar tender, making 35k a year. BEST DECISION OF MY LIFE! Now I'm truly connected to nature and happy people. 😁
No incentive to work. For me is not worth going to college. Is better to work.
Also people moving to Asia countries like Malaysia, Thailand, Philippines and Indonesia they are living comfortable life without headache
There is a price to pay for those high salaries.
do they still have open bar tender jobs in St Thomas? Since you're still there, it seems to be a sweet deal...
They shouldn't be miserable.
You're supposed to do that kind of work for only a few years, live like you're homeless and save all the income so you can quit asap and retire in your 30s. If they did that they would be happy for the rest of their life.
It seems to me that we all live in a super competitive society that is built around the promotion of the most highly successful people (i.e. the brightest, best looking, most athletic, highest educated, etc., etc.) It is like we are on a fast moving train that you must stay on at all costs. If you fall from this train, as in commit a felony, born physically unattractive, aren't financially affuent, uneducated, or are not gifted in some other socially acceptable way, you are going to find it extremely difficult to get back on socierty's train. And when that happens you are going to be left behind. The people around you are going to see YOU as the problem. How is any person in this predicament going to see how they have a path forward? They see a bleak future will little, if any, chance to change their life. No education, no job, no dates, no future. Society doesn't appear to be willing, or able, to throw them a lifeline.
I recently described it as being overboard, treading water - yet everyone on deck is sipping champagne, just staring at you instead of tossing in the rope ladder.
Well said sir!@@jcantonelli1
@@jcantonelli1 That's been life in a nutshell for me in my 38 years.
no one wants to be the battery for the matrix, duh...
If owning a home, having a young wife and a family seem like a pipe dream then men wont turn up for work. Society has to offer these men something, they don't owe us their labour doing these tough jobs.
Absolutely! Near where I live they're building new apartments practically as far as the eye can see in one area, it's how they'll get to Klaus' "You will own nothing and you will be happy", I don't want to be a rent slave, I want to own a house on some land someday
they will just hire mexicans and foreigners to do the work
@@dirankomorov then what you need to do is organized get politically active run for office be the change you want to see.
@@gamingforever9121You clearly don't know how the world works.
@@jakryan1497 I do it’s why I’m telling you stop being a black pilled bitch be the change you want. What’s stopping you consequences? If you feel things are truly bad then fuck the consequences. Do what feel you gotta do regardless.
The job market is the same as the dating market. Unreasonable demand while offering very little in return. When job requirements for entry level jobs are longer than the resume of its application, you know something is wrong.
Work hard and be rewarded I was told , well here I am at 54 having done that all my life and it has got me nowhere. All I saw at first was useless people who would creep their way to better jobs or be promoted because they were too incompetent. Now as a white man I have the diversity targets to compete against on top of these , which means I have no chance . Will never be able to afford to retire but I’m damned now if I’m going to be anything above anonymous, my pride in my work has been kicked out of me and now I just take the pittance I’m offered. My suggestion to young white men is work for yourself or in small companies with no diversity hiring .
Ive been asked by family so many times what my plan for the future is. Like im living it, i call it the 3 w’s: work, weights, warhammer. I have no wife or kids to motivate me to go to college and study day and night or go learn a trade and break my body to earn more for a family. Who cares. Lifes easy right now. I pay my bills, im healthy, my jobs easy as hell, i have enjoyable hobbies.
What's your job if you don't mind me asking?
People used to live in tribes, and the feeling of contributing for the tribe, being someone that people depend on and being appreciated is wired in our DNA. In today’s environment, whatever job you do, you don’t feel that anyone appreciates it. The problem is us. We do not appreciate when the server brings our food , or when the mailman delivers our mail or the moving company moves all our stuff. Any one of us can die or be replaced, and probably only a few people around you will notice, and that makes this society the way it is. We do not respect and appreciate each other. We see the world through the lenses of money.
And also there's too many of us thanks to overpopulation. Which makes us all easily replaceable and therefore undervalued. It's not that hard to figure out, simply supply & demand when it comes to manpower.
Wise words.
I have thought of this before. Another point of view is that all aspects of our lives are fragmented and compartmentalized, you work with people that are not from your neighbourhood or that take no part in the remaining of your life, to the point that if you change jobs you likely will never see them again. Compare that with living in a small village, being the local baker, you don`t only make bread for your own profit, you sell it to your neighbour who possibly does some service to you, carpentry or whatever and so on. It creates a web of relationships and not this situation that we are where everything is out of vanity, there is not the web of relationships around you.
Edit: Minor grammar corrections.
You said exactly what I've been thinking and feeling for so long
@@anuragchakraborty8766 I disagree we live in cities while there are huge amounts of land with few inhabitants.
What motivate men to work is to provide for their loved ones, if they dont have, they dont care to it and gonna live with the bare minimum for survival
I do think this is the norm. Many people would take any work to provide for kids, married or single parent. The indignity seems a bit east to swallow when the sun is to care for loved ones.
It's really that simple.
Johnny Paycheck, the comedy country singer said that 40 years ago in his song "Take this job and shove it"......
Or they will work 2 jobs.
Mans gotta do what a man's gotta be doing.
This. If the job doesn't even pay enough to allow you to support your loved ones, then what's the point? It's not that men don't want to work. It's that they don't want to work and still not be able to support their families. A man's wage is not enough these days. 2 wages are required just to get by.
Why contribute to a society that feels entitled to your labor and not only does it lack gratitude for your contributions but actively resents you, demonizes you, and works against you?
GREAT, SIT HOME and let me know how that works out !
PS- plan on living in your car or even less - a grocery cart
A few factors I've noticed:
1. Modern leisure is cheap. Videogames tend to take up a lot of the spare time in these men's lives, and so many of them are free (Apex, League, Overwatch, Warzone, Fortnite, etc.), you literally just buy a console or PC (a ~$1500 investment for hardware, monitor, mouse and keyboard), and then a good chunk of what you have available to play doesn't cost anything at all.
2. The dating scene is unbelievably garbage. It's a combination of factors, like women's standards being raised to levels that only 10% of men even meet (income levels, appearance qualifications, height "requirements", etc.) and not even mentioning the entitlement that many women project on social media about how they don't want a partner as much as they want a walking bank account. Hookup culture, while declining from what it used to be, is still around, with many women expressing the fact that they went through a "hoe stage", which is fine and dandy for them, but can greatly dissuade men from wanting that relationship, especially if you're bringing kids to the table. Men aren't blameless here either; a lot of them have zero clue how to talk to women, and for every honest, hardworking dude, it seems like there's dozens of creeps and pervs who can't stop talking about how they want to lick a stranger's feet or make their future "wife" some kind of slave.
3. Work is meaningless. For the vast majority of people, a job is a means to a completely unrelated end. You need money to live, money to eat and the only reason many people have their jobs at all is to avoid ending up starving out on the street. Ratios for the people who work a job they legitimately love and care about versus a job they work because they have to fall somewhere in the range of 1 out of 50, maybe even 1 out of 100. If, somehow someone is lucky enough to have a support system that keeps a roof over their heads and food in their stomachs and their leisures are relatively cheap and they have no plans to start a family (a surprisingly nearly universal life goal for most men) because the dating scene is garbage, then there's zero motivation for them to improve their life circumstances. They're comfortable coasting along in a mere existence until that runs out, and nothing is coming along to change it. Employers aren't suddenly directing their jobs towards fulfilling basic human needs for identity and meaning, they're only directed towards profit. You're a cog in a moneymaking machine, and it's all going to someone else.
4. Speaking of money going to someone else, the modern value system of the market is seriously out of whack. Teachers, one of the most important jobs in a country's labor force, are either quitting their jobs or supplementing their income with, of all things, online sex work. People with extremely valuable degrees in medicine or law aren't making anywhere close to what trivial jobs in entertainment are making. Granted, perhaps the workload of an actor or professional athlete is more demanding because of the stress and physicality, but looking at streamers, "content creators", and "social media influencers" whose job amounts to sitting around on the computer and being a moron for clicks and views, and seeing them make more money than a surgeon or a lawyer is insane. Yes, not everyone succeeds here, and the vast majority are not doing well at all, but when you see the big ones flex their earnings and 18 year old dropouts are earning more than your college educated, well-employed parents, you become very disillusioned with the system, and it inspires many to seek out these low-work, high-paying jobs that have emerged on the internet.
These are just a few factors among many, many more, but they all highlight the fact that men are not having their needs met by work anymore. They have cheap entertainment (videogames, porn, etc.), their relationship prospects are marred by their own incompetence as well as outrageous expectations from potential partners, and their jobs are thankless affairs for which they receive nothing but stress and grief and humiliation for what amounts to pennies compared to what a bunch of lazy, good-for-nothing internet personalities are being paid.
I had a job I loved and worked at for 9 years. Got laid off. Here's the breakdown, I have the same amount of money available to me not working as I did working after bills. Government has been lowering taxes on the rich and turning to the working class to make up the loss. The rich want us poor and focused on that being poor. If we're focused on fixing that issue, we're not focused on the bullshit they pull. I'm not on drugs, not on alcohol, not on disability or any government programs. I'm just sick of the system and don't waste my time taking part in it.
Comrade! Come join the revolution! Join us commies
Take all the money from government you can, get your taxes back and stuff.
So who's paying your bills or are you living with a WORKING parent?
@@BruceLee-xn3nn Grandfather. I'm on call 24/7 for any assistance required, handle his bills, meds, meals, etc... He's 88yo. Unfortunately, I can't get paid for the position as there are restrictions on who qualifies for those programs. (namely, he makes slightly more than allowed for the program.) It's complicated and frustrating and involves government saying, 'nuh-uh. we don't wanna.'
But what do u do for money?
I've worked all my life, and am currently changing jobs for the 1st time in a decade and the application and recruitment process is insane now. Inflated requirements and credentials, multiple phone and in person interviews, long and invasive background checks including my wage, medical and credit history, passing their drug tests (which I understand for some types of work). It's been almost a month! It feels like they try to starve you out so by the time they extend you an offer they can low ball it and you're too desperate to refuse. Not to mention you need to tailor each resume and write each company a little fluff peice with the right buzzwords so you get their attention.
The job application process is broken. No one will talk about it because HR so wants the online job system to work but it doesn't. It is a waist land of unqualified applicants and favors only people with some connection or relationship with the company or employee.
Or how about they interview you 3 times and say you are at the top and then you don't hear from them for 3 weeks and you ask what happened and oh they decided to go with someone else.
@@ch-yq5yn or, they want you to do a special report or project unpaid?
i've been jumping through jobs every 3 to 5 years. mainly because every single employer i've worked for has been nothing but toxic and abusive. i've set a number of rules for myself, the first one being to always keep looking for a better paying job. rule 2, the longer i stay, the more work they dump on me and refuse to compensate for it. this has happened every single time. rule 3, constantly update resume and develop a network of contacts for references that are guaranteed to provide positive feedback to the morons in HR. rule 4, always tell myself never to be loyal to any company. the cup of coffee worth in raises is not worth it always find a new job that pays $10k to 20k more than the previous job. because the 3% raise really helps so much when food costs are up 300% and rent goes up 15%. remember, these corporations raised prices on their products, so they are making huge profits, yet they are keeping salaries low. never ever thing less of yourself. i am tired of this foolishness, tired of being in this game.
@@BobRooney290 Amen
This isn't a mystery. Unmarried men with little to no skills simply don't want to work shitty jobs that pay very little.
No one is willing to train either. As you said, no mystery here.
@@jcantonelli1 Yes from my experience hardly anyone is willing to train. Which IMO seems very detrimental to our country. They cut off alot of people who could become valuable, contributing members of society simply because they don't want to train people. Think of the negative consequences this has for our whole society. No matter where you live, this is pretty much how employers are. People who would normally grow their skills over the course of their lives and contribute back to society are cut off and not allowed to participate in a more meaningful way, and instead stuck with low paying jobs all too often.
I've been saying for years that we need to restructure training and careers, and make it actually work. Why in the hell shouldn't we? The current system clearly does not work and it's time to change this nonsense. But nope, I don't see any signs of that happening.
I'm a 32 year old software engineer in this boat. Incredibly tired of the insatiable growth culture, lionization of work as life's purpose, and emphasis on hype over quality. I'm financially stable and have very little expenses so it's hard to convince myself to go back to work when I was largely miserable when working.
Look at your assets and do some math, you might be able to retire soon. I'm also a software engineer with low expenses, and should be able to stop working around 35 and live off investment income, although I might go a bit longer since working from home is pretty chill.
@@elmateo77 If I stay single forever and could reasonably get by without medical insurance I could probably retire now. I own my house, my mortgage is fully paid off, live in a state with very low taxes, and my total expenses are under $10k a year (outside of vacations). I do want kids at some point and / or would like to continue to vacation so I'll probably return to work soon but I certainly don't see that lasting too long.
@@elmateo77 locking down 10 year CD's between 4 to 5% will help with supplemental income. having a 2nd home/apt you can rent out also helps.
@@elmateo77 Exactly what I did...I retired last year at 31 having sold my share (40%) of my 8-year-old business to the remaining partners at a huge discount & I've done well with my property/stocks/crypto too. I've always maintained that we should only work for a secure future & to do things that we want to do, not to get ludicrously rich...ergo attaining financial freedom was the catalyst for me to exodus the 60 hrs/wk grind.
The only real downside is that I don't get that fantastic Saturday morning or holiday "Ahhh no work today" feeling when I wake up anymore! 😁
I have seen early retirement people go two ways. The first cohort cannot stay still and they volunteer or seriously pursue some long term project to fill their schedules. The second cohort just stay stagnant and only do the bare minimum -- this cohort almost always end in tragedy if they don't switch to be productive because they essentially become zoo animals bored out of their minds. Often it was either suicide or drug overdose or some other form of death.
I know a few older men that have given up on everything, but basically their life. Each one of them got screwed over hard by their spouse, were forcibly estranged from their children by the courts, lost and lost most of their assets ending up on someone else's futon after a lifetime of working hard for those people. They ended in deep debilitating depressions. It's amazing they avoided suicide. These men do not leave their home for any reason avoiding people at all costs. They are basically agoraphobic now. I believe that if they were forced out of there homes they would probably end their lives.
btw, they are all on anti-depressants and none smoke weed or drink alcohol.
In all the religious scripts, there is the idea of feminine submission to their man. So women in the West got duped into thinking they were strong and independent and that any form of submission is a sign of weakness.
It always haunts me to see how the Asian immigrants who come here behave in comparison with their local counterparts. You just know they make better wives than their argumentative Western counterparts.
I'm genuinely surprised that Western women have not begun a mass awakening of how they've been played. Then again, it is men who are the true truth seekers, not women. Just look at the amount of women who believe in Astrology lol.
exactly, men are lazy when they no longer have skin in the game. They no longer have anything to live/fight for. they are attacked an vilified by society. And I don't blame them for it. they feel helpless, and see work as pointless, and it's not by their own making.
Just sitting in the house sulking will make everything worse. Get up and go outside.
@@SoloRenegade Its a perfect storm of the HR automated resume system, feminism, information destroying the bubble of our nation being the greatest, and addicting screens. Hopefully AGI can improve and build replicating robots so that we don't need to work as much and can live in a VR heaven.
@@aoeu256 it's Far more than just that
I am a woman and even I do not want to work in corporate America which is why I started my own business. When I was going through interview processes I noticed that HR was more concerned about who they liked than focusing on actual skills and talent and had no idea what they were actually doing. One day I just said screw this and used all of my talent and skills towards my own business. Now I am making 3x-4x more than what those corporations were trying to pay me AFTER business expenses. Moral of the story is don't let corporations sell you short. Your skills and talent are worth more.
Can you talk about how you started your own business & how you managed to be successful?
I agree, but not everyone has the skillset and minset and raw IQ and starting capital and health necessary to start a business. It's a great option for those who do, but not everyone is in that position.
It's called Only Finns
Women in a tech field with HR are completely CLUELESS AND STUPID
It is simply amazing to see these two guys discussing the serious problems young men are having without even mentioning the real culprits: feminism and hypergamy. To those men who are DISINTERESTED in our society, someone's gotta explain why they should choose to work as a slave with the prospect of not even having a girlfriend (plus being called "toxic" and all that...).
Why should they like our modern society? For what reason they should be motivated to work hard with a low pay?
As we all know, this is a society who is totally failing young men, and is totally and uniquely concentrated on what benefits women. Even the (very recent) interest in men's problems is only because men's problems start affecting women.
When you devalue the money, you devalue the desire to work. It’s simply not worth it anymore.
Your right on the money Dixon you can’t hardly own anything anymore because wages are not even close to where they should be!!!
@@jimclark9790
The supply is too great, and nobody wants to work when women get the house, the car, the kids, and whatever you might have scrapped up in the meantime.
This is what happens when the sugar rush is over from the pack-of-candies economy.
It's certainly worth it if you're not a lazy fuck and have actual goals and purpose in life. That's why, even though money is being devalued, there are still millions of successful men and women.
Well said; more from you sir !
A guy in the US sitting on a couch with zero ambition still lives a better life than most of the rest of the world. 🙄
I remember the day I walked out and retired at 55. Nobody believed me. I had a great deal of responsibility. I left the company phone on my desk. Never looked back. Corporate greed made the decision for me.
tell me more
💯!
I did precisely the same thing at 48 years old! Worked at a failing biotech start up in L.A. One day, had a meeting with the boss, and he had the balls to say that I need to get more done (I was middle management). I was utterly offended and disgusted. Fortunetaly, I had been at some very successful start ups before this one, so I looked up all of my investments and savings, called my wife to tell he what I was about to do. I went to my boss, handed him my resignation, laptop, phone, keys and badge, and never worked again! That was June 21. Moved to Florida, and living the dream!
@@unkorichie2029 I resigned/unofficially retired when my employer started requiring the covid vax . Best decision of my life.
I've retired at 28. Just need to eke my savings out for the next 50 years
Nah.. not taking a job for crap pay. "Nobody wants to work" = everyone is smart enough not to take crap wages
Why work when the government paid you to sit at home on 80% salary.
Men are checking out. They've had enough of working hard, being treated like crap and being at the bottom of the food chain. It's a bad trade.
My brother worked all his life and supported his wife through 12 years of studying only for her to kick him out at the end and take him to the cleaners. He was virtually homeless. Why would anyone bother will conditions like that ?
@@johnashley6858He is retarded for not having any hidden assets. And for paying for someone's "education" for 12 years. What did he marry, a preschooler? Nobody needs that much "education" and you should marry a woman who paid for her own education.
that's an indictment of females and marriage... no one elses fault.
Mikedowning4869 I'm not saying thats not true as I've heard too many similar stories to think otherwise but I also wonder is it always as one sided as it seems. A lot can happen in 12 yrs in a marriage so its not necessarily as using someone as it seems.. though certainly that's possible as well. Even if not the main reason a woman gets married. It may very well be that she has little to lose by taking a chance. Courts really seem to favor women/mothers. I am a female who is mid 50's but did not marry. I simply really didn't find the right guyvn didn't want to just use someone until he came along or for financial reasons. Certainly not all women do this but far too many do.
I try to warn my sons, but they won't listen. There is literally no reason to get married as a man!!!!!!!!!
@@mkelly4042 Marriage takes a lot of work, lots of pushing through bad times, and is easier with 2 having similar goals and attitudes. Unfortunately, even though courts favor women, most women who divorce really end up worse than the man, a house doesn't pay for itself.
My wife and I had almost 40 years together before she died, and not all those years were perfect bliss, believe me, but life is a mess no matter what.
Yes, It's so hard to understand why a man would not want to spend his entire life working for a company that simply doesn't care whether he lives or dies and will sack him the moment his paid time off runs out, whether he's lying on a beach or in a hospital bed.
Wow. It's almost like businesses have something better to do with their time and energies than hold your hand.
If you want a company to REALLY CARE about you; start your own business. If you want people to really care about you; start a family.
If you really need a friend; get a dog.
@@joeBishop866
Very true and yet most of these comments here think a random business is supposed to be your friend/family. Its a job you do for money.
You can find a business that you make friends in or what have you but in the end of the day.. Its a job.
Its as if people today want a business to be a parent or something. Society is collapsing.
That is spot on. I agree that corporate life can be soul killing, but then learn a trade. Be a plumber, set tile, shoe horses, drive a truck, train to be a police officer, etc. I live in a very blue collar area, and all the men are working, have families, throw parties, go to sporting events, and they all seem at least reasonably happy with their lives. Not to mention the fact that many of the make pretty good money.
id rather be lying on a beach, so take this job and shove it lol
@@joeBishop866 This is a heavily culturally biased mentality that is not the be all and end all mindset of how the world of work and business should work.
It is merely the mentality that America itself has chosen to follow and these are the consequences.
It's not how things have always worked. While there obviously has always been a bias towards self-interest throughout time, the way systems worked have changed over the years for numerous reasons that have ultimately lead to the state of the world we see today.
Back in the middle ages, you ploughed fields and lived on the edge of poverty with the possibility of getting murdered by invaders or you willingly put your life on the line and fought battles for glory, wealth and status. Times were more simple back then for better or for worse. Nowadays things are complicated.
Mo matter which way you look at it, life has always been about survival of the fittest but now we live in a world where veterans who have been released from duty are struggling to adapt to civilian life because of how complex it is.
To do anything in life nowadays, you have to fill in a billion forms and go through a ton of legislation and people are both intimidated and fatigued by this. Therefore, they choose to instead turn to the few things that form filling and legislation is not a barrier of entry, things they can just go and do immediately.
When you look at videogames for example and the instant gratification they bring when you accomplish something that would take ages to accomplish in real life, you can clearly see the problem.
There's too much red tape and legislation, too many forms, too many registrations and other complications of the like. You didn't need to have qualifications back in the day, college was a luxury, now it's become somewhat of a mandatory gateway that more or less everyone goes though and by the end of it, they are no better off because their competitors all went through the same process and came out with the same results and when they apply for the job, they are turned down because they don't have the necessary experience. Qualifications are worthless in that regard.
The world has become too clinical and legislation is what has caused all of this. Attempts to improve social systems over the years has brought upon too many complications. People look at employers as heartless and evil but they too are a victim of this clinical environment of over-legislation that presents a huge minefield for them to navigate and therefore the nature of employment has changed as a result of legislation.
It's no secret that many people out there who are working low income jobs are employed solely as a result of legal loopholes and their careers are literally hanging by a horse hair. How can we have a world where we have connection and empathy when over legislation has created this clinical void?
You can't even volunteer for unpaid work without filling in forms anymore. It's all because of people using the court systems to file lawsuits for compensation and companies have to cover their backs and they need to get solicitors to do this which adds more to the costs.
Why do you think so many people go to law school? That's where all the money is, because Law plays a role in everything and knowledge of Law is in high demand because Law is so complicated now.
On top of this, you have companies that are mostly owned by wealthy people in the middle east, some of which have never run a business in their lives who are greatly influencing the decision process of how companies operate for the sake of short term gain so that they can profit from trading stock. When companies are publicly run, who is ultimately going to be held accountable? The CEO can't be held accountable because they're just an employee and they can resign at any time with a guaranteed job position elsewhere offering the same wealth and status. If no one is being held accountable, it means that these shareholders can get away with basically anything they want at the expense of both employees and customers of the service.
What irks me is that despite all of this legislation, we still do not have a law that forbids companies from allowing public shareholders and requires shareholders to be connected to the company in some way, requiring them to work a station of some sort. If you aren't working in the company, why should you have any rights of ownership? It's all wrong. Yet somehow we have all these other regulations that are constantly bombarding both employers and employees. We are being suffocated by it.
You're so wrong about almost everything in this video. First, men do want to work but not for peanuts. Working at McDonalds is NOT a job so stop counting that as employment. McDonalds is a "Joe Job" for high school kids. Men want to be paid fairly for an honest days work. Too much money moves uo to the top executives while those at the bottom or even the middle struggle to go see a movie at the cinema on the weekends. I have 2 degrees and 5 certificates. I graduated with honors and still couldn't find a job that at least matched with the cost of living. So I had to leave the country to be able to live. I'll come back to the USA whenever things change for the better. Second, You mentioned drugs at the beginning of this video. Drugs is not as big of a problem as the media makes it out ti be. Yes drugs exisist but it's not something found in every household. I don't smoke, drink or drug. Maybe it's because I've chosen to live a clean, conservative christian life.
Learned helplessness! Ive been shouting this from the rooftops since 2012
I can't blame people when even for a mundane job at a supermarket they put you through lengthy tests designed to weed you out if you don't fit exactly what they want. it's very demeaning to be rejected constantly without hearing anything back - bit like online dating really!
yep those questionnaires are wild. if you don't commit every answer to making yourself out to be an obedient little slave with no discretion for circumstantial adaptation, you're basically forfeiting your chances of getting hired.
@Roger McMillan "online dating" was likely implied as a passive comparasion. Let's stick to the topic!
My favorite one is "would you break a rule, EVER?!" Which the answer is, "well is the rule written in blood, or in black ink. I'll break the latter, the former is sacred. Where's my options... ah yes, [yes/no]. How granular."
@@jackr2287 A stupid rule, sure I'd break it.
Sadly the only person who would employ you after that answer is Elon Musk.
@@goodlookinouthomie1757 And alas he's also existing in a bear market.
What I really like about this discussion is not only that Nicholas pointing to statistics, but also explains how it needs to be questioned. Very good, thank you for sharing.
I highly doubt people just woke one day and didn't want to work. The more important question is why was a one income household the norm in the 60's , and now you need the 5 year old baby working just to put food on the table? in other words. Real term wages have diwndled. And employers want someone with a Masters to sweep the floor and pay them 5 dollars an hour.
Diluting the money supply, abandoning the gold standard,...
Let me say this. A lot of companies are simply unpleasant to work for these days. At every single job I’ve been to people say “it was so good back in the day, we were treated well, we got shown appreciation, we had events, sports teams, double pay on sundays, etc…”.
Now most of these companies suck. They don’t give a shit about the employees anymore. I don’t want to say this is 100% of the reason, but it’s a big chunk of it. People don’t want to work for a company that treats them like dirt.
I'm 27 all I've ever heard is how awesome everything used to be.
@@jimmyjones2185
The 80's were the best time in the USA.
And here I thought, children and women had it bad working in factories and coal mines for pennies. Refugees having to start over from nothing, after fleeing war torn countries. Only for men of this generation, to complain about corporations not being "nice" to them. Or feeling like they are owed success, for being undisciplined and not putting in the work required to be successful. The men of this generation are absolutely sad and pathetic. You are starting out with basic opportunities that are denied to so many around the world, yet you sit around bathing in self-pity and complaining..
It's like that in the uk as well. I recently walked out of a job cleaning buses because there's no respect for the employees you're there to make money for the directors of the company for minimum wage and you're expected to work backbreakingly hard for your money. I'm 62 and pissed off about the decline in job quality that has occurred over the last 20 to 30yrs in the UK. I am no longer engaged with work. I'd rather work for free for a good cause but I've got to pay rent etc. Unless you have savings or some valuable assets that can be cashed in you are a slave to the system of work It's been designed that way to make the way out as punishing as possible.
In my opinion when there's a problem at the bottom its because of a problem at the top, government has probably changed alot since the "good old days."
I love how they jumped over low wages and lack of training.
It's evident that neither of these two has filled out a job application in a long time.
You can work 100 plus hours a week in this country and still be homeless.
At 52, I have decided to stop working. I have no kids,no mortgage,no car payments; and live very cheaply. And with the direction government has taken, I have no desire to pay income tax to further fuel their stupidity. I am actually really enjoying it. I can actually do things I like to do.
where does the money come from?
I am 51 years of age. I have been investing in metals since 20 years of age and keeping the metals in a remote location, locked up very tightly. My job pays extremely handsomely, even more than what college graduates make. That allowed me a lot more income to buy metals. I believe I have just under 4 million dollars in various metals, under estimating the cost of the various metals. I am so close to never working again. My vehicle has been paid in full for 22 years. My house has been paid in full ten years this year. I have no debt at all. I do not use banks. I have absolutely no credit accounts at all. I pay everything cash. It may be time to bring my vast metal investments to metal brokers and have a lot of cash to live the next ten to 48 years, depending on when I die.
@@theessentials450 Savings/inheritance
Hope you have health insurance.
@@genemartinez2833 Go to Mexico a lot lot lot cheaper there. You are being milked dry in the US medical mafia enterprise
I always laugh when I hear about employers complaining about not having people for their jobs. The reason why jobs go unfilled is because the employer does a terrible job at posting the job, adding qualifiers above what is necessary, and never actually going through the applications that they do have. It's really very simple- employers do not have a clue what they are looking for and they put almost no effort into getting employees. Secondly the usual way that people would traditionally get jobs is through families, one relative would recommend their relative and they would be hired on- this isn't happening anymore.
Nah. The biggest reason is that they just don't pay enough. Hell, I make over $300k/year, not in some major, expensive coastal city, and I live in a fucking townhouse. But at least I get to own it, and it's in a really nice area. I could get a really shitty old house with a small yard, or I could move way out into the sticks away from groceries, airports, etc, but...nah, I'd really rather not.
Capital is simply too powerful right now. People withdrawing labor from the market because the juice isn't worth the squeeze isn't just a reasonable thing to do, it's also a very moral thing to do if you're able to, because it increases the bargaining power of everyone else.
The Wise Man's Law of Conservation: "If there's nothing worth buying - don't waste your money. If there's nothing worth saying - don't waste your breath. If there's nothing worth doing - don't waste your sweat. If there's nothing worth climbing - don't waste your steps. If there's nothing worth fighting for - don't waste your strength. If there's nothing worth loving - don't waste your passion. If there's nothing worth saving - don't waste your tears. If there's nothing worth pondering - don't waste another thought. If there's nothing to fear - don't waste any sleep. And, if there's nothing to gain - don't waste your time." - Jack Squat (May 1, 2023)
Poetry which will define the common modern man of this era.
I sure hope you copy and pasted that. You probably have it in a folder for comments on YT.
Why would young men maintain with their hard work and taxes a society that hates them, belittle them, slave them, and have to pay for children not 9f their own?
Paying for children not your own? What are you even talking about?
@@donttreadonweeee9478 child support, they can chain you to pay for HER kids no matter what paternity test say, it's paternity fraud.
@@donttreadonweeee9478 Taxes go to welfare mommas with several kids.
Taxes also go to defense/airspace CEOs and their kids.
@@donttreadonweeee9478 your tax money is given to single mothers.
Dur
@@Macheako Takes a man and a woman to produce a baby. Do you think these women are getting pregnant magically from god? If you are going to punish women and children you need to also punish the shitty men that impregnate them and leave them.
Simple. Men who busting their butts at work aren’t getting compensated enough to where they would be attractive to mates and start a family. So they are giving up instead.
Realistically that wouldn't be possible. A lot of these men would need to be millionaires cause women's standards are so crazy
Outside of large metro areas, most people don't make much money, so if a man can figure out how to make at least $80k a year in a smaller town/city, he'd likely be earning 2x or 3x what the average woman is making. Most of the women who seem to have very high standards and only want to deal with men who make well into the 6 figures or more tend to be in large cities with a high cost of living.
Most jobs suck sadly, maybe not financially but workplace environment and moral matters.
Men have been systematically demotivated. It’s not the lousy pay so much as the fact that working gets them nothing they want. College educated men are in this group, too.
Well, when sex is easy to get and when men figured out that getting educated doesn't get you girls anymore, many don't bother. Looks are king nowadays women earn their own money. Women's mate preferences shifted so men acted accordingly. It's almost like keeping women out of the workplace was good for society and not just "the patriarchy" being mean.
When people work full time, they are left with little time after their hard days at work. I never understood how the world does that
@@Warbr33d Sex is only easy to get for 5-10% of the male population. The rest get very little if any. 63% of all men 18-29 are single. More young men are virgins than ever before.
@@Warbr33d most men are not getting sex either these days.
@@Warbr33d yeah but what about lesbians?! If you keep women out of the workplace that’s ok for straights but how will lesbians earn a living? We should NOT have lesbian only UBI. I refuse to let the government create any new policies
I think many men are partially giving up on working because they don't have the incentive of marriage/partnership anymore. Lots of single males have just given up on that with what dating looks like now and without that incentive it feels meaningless to so many. I don't know what can be done about that at this point.
Marriages are also down
We could address the issues causing so many men to be single. But thst requires admitting the truth about how women are behaving. Can't do that now can we
They would have to change all the gynocentric family laws and that is not going to happen anytime soon so men are walking away in droves.
The great reset requires less people involved thus the depopulation scheme implemented by the elites of the planet because they are moving to AI and robotics
Capitalism needs to collapse before we can move on from this train wreck
I'm one of the 7 million. I quit my job after being so miserable for 3 years. It got to the point that I didn't even wanna get up in the morning. I worked in collections where there was endless productivity. Every week was the same. If we made goal, we got cookies or a pizza party. The day before I quit they wanted to train me as a supervisor but without the title or pay. That just meant they'd be able to stick you with more work. Plus, the 1 hour 20 minute drive in bumper to bumper traffic was a whole other story. Basically, if you've seen the movie office space, that was my life.i knew i needed out. Been unemployed for 4 years with a few seasonal jobs in 2022 and 2023. Moved out of state and trying to find something new.
I feel your frustration. Good luck.
I normally quit jobs until I run out of money and the cycle repeats
GREAT JOB ..... now you can sit home and scratch your baalls all day
Yes, usually the pay is not enough and the employer doesnt treat the worker with the respect that they deserve. But also, theres no feeling of accomplishment or pride. Especially for single men without children. For what reason should we work hard? Who are we helping, what are we accomplishing? Everyone needs something to fight for, and appreciation for the sacrifices that they make.
Its hard to be absolutely childless, but the problem is to maintain ourselves we need 2.1. So just even having 2 isnt enough anymore for most young people. A large number need to now have 4 or 5 to compensate.
It doesnt happen of course, the old countries like Italy and Spain are good examples where they are well below 2, and its hard to see any end in sight.
So true. People don't feel appreciated, hence this situation.
I turned 65 last month, and I work both a full-time day job, and a part-time evening job.
I work in industrial sales in my day job, and I deal with a lot of industrial accounts, and some construction accounts.
I get an earful of “nobody wants to work” frequently.
Truth be told, I can say unequivocally, that I wouldn’t work for the vast majority of my accounts if you held a gun to my head.
That said, I can see why millions of men are work avoidant.
It is because of the industry you are in. There is huge demand for sales, retail and hospitality. You are not competing with as many college grads. College grads want high paying white collar jobs. Anyone discussing the job market should differentiate that.
Dude, why’s true world like this?
It is definitely dog eat dog out there. I'm a full-time caregiver and have been doing ride share like Lyft and Uber for the past 8 years. I tried to up my earnings and worked for three different chauffeur companies and each one of them bait and switched me. Telling me I would make a certain amount and then end up taking all of the tips and paying me pennies on the dollar. I completely understand why you say you wouldn't work for many of the accounts you work with.
Yes, it is really hard to hide how vile a firm is from sales reps. 😂
You often end up seeing their true colours.
@@moonknight4053 Because these kinds of jobs used to have union protections, and now they don't.
I'm 59 college educated, and worked my whole life but in my 30's everything changed, my healthcare suddenly had to come out of my check monthly $820, and vacations were reduced to only 2 weeks a year, and we're not accumulative, in addition you couldn't take the 2 weeks at once. Raises became few and far between. Wages stagnated for 25 years. I left the hourly traditional employment work force working for someone else in 2006 and jumped into the gig work with several different sources of income. I make my own hours and actually work more, but much more gratifying, and happier. There are so many variables that are not mention in this discussion, especially wages in comparison to growth and wealth of the US, it just doesn't add up, it's appalling. We have all been hoodwinked.
what field are you in?
WHY did you not WALK!!!???? I am same age. Same background. If my employer cut my wages and dumped my Healthcare. GOODBYE !!!!The only good thing about having a McJOB. Is it is disposable.
Here in Europe you can work teaching English but you will never get rich. You need to do private lessons. That is , you have to be self-employed. Here is the catch. You need to declare the lessons . Otherwise , parents instead of employers steal from you. It is like a Catch-22 situation.Everyone wants to cheat everyone else...
@@dragorn3212 yes what field/company were you in that changed your benefits? I'm working part time right now and I don't even get ONE full week off.
@@billnotice9957 maybe cause she needs money to survive, gotta at least work until you get a better job.
Also, social scientists have been predicting for at least seventy years that many men would choose to drop out of society but I can’t recall the titles on this topic offhand. Many prominent best sellers have been published on this theme. For one thing, obtaining employment is more complicated than it once was.
Yep. It was pointed out decades ago as a negative consequence of pushing almost all women into the labor market. Men can no longer provide, women don’t need them, so men have much less incentive (or opportunity) for productive work.
One of the first things the Nazis did in power was offer marriage loans to young couples to start families and households and then deducted a quarter of the principal for every child they had. They coupled this policy with tax incentives for women to leave the workforce, which freed up jobs for young men who could then attract wives because they were gainfully employed. The policy worked, of course. One wonders where they got the idea for it.
Many men are going their own way and thus not dating women let alone getting married and having kids. With this in mind they have way more options. They can work just long enough to build a passive income portfolio and/or have their own business. By 2030 it is estimated 45% of women over 35 will be single without children. It is not really that hard for a single guy, if he has got anything about him, to piece together what he needs without taking a full-time job. A small one-person lawn business, pressure washing, car detailing. It goes on and on. Many guys are packing their bags and living the country altogether. Not only because of western women, the cost of living and quality of life. A guy who has $2,000 a month in passive income and emergency fund of $50,000 can live much better life outside the US.
When I see men who are well-trained and experienced in their fields, and with track records of success, being laid off across many industries and fields and enduring months of unemployment and stressful job searches, I know there's an agenda at play.
Its nothing new. Men have always been useful objects that get thrown away for society. Women too. We don't value people just products.
Oy vey!!
Well a lot of companies are LEGALLY REQUIRED, to put SHAREHOLDERS above EVERYTHING! Now in the real world, this bullshit, wouldn't fly..
But thanks to Some Government group of friends, this is what were dealing with. And I'd say this is the "Agenda" you mention.
It's capitalism. You don't have to look very hard. When Jeff Bezos is worth $160 billion it's not because he works millions of times harder than other people. He's an economic warlord.
WELL, TIMES HAVE CHANGED, FIRST COVID AND NOW THE WAR, THIS HAS DISRUPTED THE NORMAL LIFE OF EVERYONE, THE LAST 50 YEARS HAVE BEEN VERY GOOD, NOW MOST PAMPERED AMERICANS CANT HANDLE A LITTLE DISTRESS, IF YOU HAVE TO MOVE TO ANOTHER TOWN OR CITY, FOR A JOB, THEN DO IT, I DID IT 20 TIMES IN MY LIFE TIME, THATS THE WAY IT IS, LIFE IS NOT EASY, AMERICANS HAVE BEEN PAMPERED LONG ENOUGH, THEY NEED TO GET OFF THEIR ASS AND PHONE OR VIDEO GAMES AND GET A JOB,
The last few generations of men have been subject to social institutions that are hopelessly broken. We grew up in broken homes. We got fed to vicious stepmothers, and quietly bore our mom's baggage from the divorce. We went to schools that couldn't teach; went to colleges that were scams. We got jobs that were filled with knob polishers and blowhards. They got promoted and celebrated. We got crapped on and abused. We were given women who are unmarriable. We got politicians who are corrupt scallywags, and who rob us at every turn. We got banks who blow up the world economy and award themselves bonuses when they do.
We didn't create any of this, but we did get blamed for it all. We got blamed (and drugged) for disrupting class. We got blamed because our girls were unhappy. We got blamed because our mom was a mess. Blamed because our Dad wasn't getting enough when we were around. We got blamed for not being enough like the knob polishers and blowhards. We got blamed when our job got shipped overseas and we couldn't find another. We got blamed for voting wrong, eating wrong, spending wrong, investing wrong, exercising wrong, buying trucks that are too big, making too much trash, exhaling too much CO2.
There comes a point when you say, "I didn't create this mess and I can't fix it when everyone keeps yelling at me. What I can do is withhold my participation." And that's what has happened. Men have said, "Good luck with all this. Call us when you need us."
Now you need us real bad, but you're still blaming us, so things will continue this way. You don't get the men you want. You get the men you get, and you hope to encourage and inspire them to become better. You give them precious wives, who give them precious kids. You give them a patch of land and a mule. Give them something beautiful to protect, something honorable to aspire to and they'll give their last drop of blood fighting for it. Everyone seems to have lost sight of that fact.
I have been very intentional about withholding my participation from evil. I checked out of school after I got my BA. I checked out of dating in my 30s. I quit my evil job and spent 5 years unemployed rather than go back to evil. I finally found a place that isn't evil, with great people who respect me, value me and do the right thing. I've done miracles for the company. Sadly, I'm working far below my potential. But that's how it is when everything is broken. I won't joint this merry-go-round to Hell. So best of luck, call me when you need me.
And all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "No."
''Everyone seems to have lost sight of that fact'' This fact is nevertheless engraved in the DNA of every man on this earth, of all cultures, religions, philosophies and ages. Whether he realizes it consciously or not, homo sapien has always been governed by this immutable law... In the event of the hypothetical scenario that this can no longer be achievable or at least dreamed for EVERY individual undoubtedly leads to only 2 situations: the 1st and usually opted one (the happy ending) is a ''rectification'' called: Mayhem. The 2nd situation (unhappy ending) much more permanent and irrevocable is a ''suppression'' called: Extinction..........
Drsnooz8112 this is very well written n u make some solid points. Part of me and likely part of any group that has been disadvantaged in their lifetime possibly thinks to say "welcome to my life. Nobody cared when I had it bard or harder " this is true n understandable n maybe you haven't either but I think the point is that is the problem with this revolving shell game of who society favors n promotes n who they sort of punish or allow to fall by the wayside. Its always unfair to someone n I've never felt 2 things can't be right at the same time. Understanding n empathy cost nothing n we should not be in competition with one another.
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