Apple Responds to M4 Chip Crisis
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
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we dont need a new M chip, we need 16Gb of Ram lol
You can upgrade for just $200 + tax. But remember, 16 < 8
Get ready for "8Gb is fine your using the mac WRONG!." comments 😂😂
@@six-bobcats exactly, they are selling RAM below their manufacturing costs. On top of that Apple offer is cheapest on market, you will not be able to find cheaper memory upgrade for Macbook than directly from Apple.
@@heroofjustice3349You won't be able to find an upgrade at all, because M chips can't connect to external RAM, it's baked into the package. That's why there's a fairly low ceiling on your max RAM
16 GB ram costs $50 DDR5 that too
Not if you use apple math.
Exactly 😊
iMath, it’s sadly 100% more accurate than government budget report and companies tax reports 😢
Apple math is bad math.
More like Apple meth.
Computationally incorrect
Nothing can run crysis
only xbox 360 !
@@adredycrysis runs the xbox 360 and makes its fans scream in pain
Actually the mac m1 are capable to run ps4 games such as yakuza series and gta and tekken. But u need special software for that
@@wanterbaik
Is it a downgrade software to allow those games to be run-able?
@@MP-vc4nu its called Crossover. Its not free. Its basically allowing Windows software to open in native Mac OS. I run Yakuza 0 , kiwami 1 and kiwami 2 with no problem. Low quality graphics setting, of course but its very playable
If only Apple wasn't allergic to efficient cooling methods!
Yes , but their problem here is that they kind of they shot themselves in the foot with M1. Gen1 pretty much doesnt need cooling most of the time. Even my M1 Pro keepts the fans of until 75C. Since M2 they started uping the heat with more power. I actually used a corporate M3 air for short time - that thing is an oven. There is the problem , Apple marketed those things as the "cool" thing that doesnt need cooling. "its more powerfull then anything before" - yeah , that aged well :D
Most people in the know already knew this about "ARM".
@@mowtow90 they're victims of their own success
You mean like on windows when turning off lets the fans spin at 100db?
@mowtow90 Not only that... Apple being Apple, the brand is HUGE, so you know what happens when you start criticizing Apple..
The brainwashed fans try and convince you that they don't need fans😂
Sam, the only salesman who manages to work for every big company out there and still being honest enough to tell us what's up with tech now.
And here I thought he was Linus "I HATE APPLE!!!!" Sebastian's British cousin.
You are not broke from buying our items. 0 is more then 1,000,000
Apple: I math
The initial massive gain was going from Intel to Apple Silicon M1, and thereafter the year to year gains are naturally only incremental. No computer company can put out a new chip every year which is ALWAYS 3x faster and 50% more energy efficient than their previous years chip.
But didn't they switch from intel i3 to the M1? Of course it's going to be faster, just like the i5 and i7 and i9...
@@TheGrundigg The base M1's are at least as good as mid-tier Intel chips, but with significantly lower power consumption. A top tier i9 may well beat the M1 in straight raw performance, but the M1 handily wins in terms of efficiency of performance. There are countless online comparisons showing, for instance, the first 2020 M1 MacBook Air keeping up with good Intel machines, but the fanless Air stays much cooler and consumes far less battery power.
@@TheGrundiggMacs never used i3s; they only used i5, i7, and i9. All of these require more power than M1, so although your i9 MacBook Pro will perform slightly better, it will drain your battery hugely. Which is why Windows laptops cap your performance when unplugged.
They have to keep their investors in the game somehow
@@TheGrundigg It's not about intel to Mac silicon. It's about the massive performance per watt gains. They created a chip that is both using lower energy than all their competitors but also out performing them. It's equivalent to making a Porsche 911 use less gas than a Toyota Camry. The performance per watt is absolutely ridiculous for a chip of this level and it's creating serious competition. Intel's already released their own line of chips they never would have bothered with before apple pushed the bounds of CPU's
I can't wait for the next innovation where a HDD is faster than a SSD
🤣
The new super floppies will beat them both.
See, the problem is you havent applied Apple math to the performance, 10% year on year increase on a mac is equal to 250% increase on a windows pc
Not any more
See you are missing some additional Apple comparison there. The PC you are comparing it to should be ancient, the ugliest and thickest laptop ever made and not cost more than $150. It should also have the windows bluescreen as its screen image. That is what Apple would do on a comparison point
Which requires 50% price increase
And applying Apple math reveals the mac to be 10,000% the price of said windows PC.
100 degrees, Intel!? My god, have mercy on us all.
100 Degrees Intel -- is hotter than the surface of the Sun.
But don't worry - we'll be only landing on the dark side of the Sun.
Seems Apple have now surpassed intel in heat. 100° intel can change seasons from winter to summer.
That's sad, and stupid truth - 50% of their consumers buy the products for the logo.
Apple is discovering that computers actually require cooling
Apple could release the original M3, brand it as the M4, triple the price, and it would be their best ever selling CPU.
CPUs have reached the point where significant performance improvements can only be made through better architecture design. Can't make the transistors any smaller, can't feed them infinite power and can't increase the clock speed forever. The only way to make them faster whilst changing nothing is to do an Intel move. More power, more clock speed = more heat. We are at the point where such chips are impossible to cool.
AMD is on the right path with better architecture designs. Apple will probably also have to go back to the drawing board now and refine their architecture.
M1 was always an "Intel" move. They kept optimizing ARM for their phones, and one day realized a 4 watt processor cranked up to 40 watts would be hella zippy. Throw in some random accessory components like "neural processing" and bam, you look great. Until you realize that you just spunked your load and the well is dry.
Even if they release an M5, I am already happy with my M1 up to this day. It gets the job done.
Part of why is probably the side channel attack they discovered a while ago in M-Series chips, and to fix it they have to make some operations artifically slower (which is what all chipmakers do and should do, it moreso puts into perspective that some of the increased performance of the past Apple chips might have sacrificed security for that)
the side channel attack is such an obscure attack that it doesn't happen in the wild. Only carefully crafted code where the attack have physical access to the computer.
At that point, you have more problems when the side channel attack.
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu Yeah pretty much anyone with the resources to do that also has the resources to hire a few dudes with bats for your Face ID or fingerprint lol
Corporate won't like it when you use the exploit to disable their spyware.
They need to stop treating these generational desktop class SoC updates like yearly mobile refreshes lol. We should only be seeing a single refresh once every 3 years if you want more markedly notable performance improvements
2030 - Even thinner, improved retina screen, glorious M10 chip, 8gb of memory, 64gb flash drive.
2030 will be the year where 4GB > 16GB of memory
Hot MacBook is the best heater for my cats 😂
I’m going to get my ruler out and measure my nanometers.
Apple math, the math that gives Apple more money!
The move from Intel to M1 was a breakthrough. Now Apple desperately tries to convince people to move from M1 to M3(4) by offering no significant change for good. Hence the M4 delay. BTW the Snapdragon comes to PC laptops too. So Apple is in trouble.
Most people keep their Macbook for 5+ years. Apple is trying to convince Intel mac users with older laptops to make the switch which would be a HUGE upgrade. I don't know anyone except the most hardcore of tech reviewers and enthusiasts who upgrade every year or two. I am excited for ARM for Windows but I do not trust Microsoft to pull of a translation layer anywhere near the speed of Rosetta 2. Not to mention Apple does not care about holding developers feet to the fire to get them to recompile for ARM natively. Microsoft does not hold the same power. I think most Windows devs will refuse supporting Windows on ARM natively. Not to mention M-Series chips still blow the Snapdragon X out of the water in terms of efficiency.
@@ethanmyers6406 I completely agree about keeping HW as long as it works decently. Yet Apple can (and will) cut the support for old versions of Macbooks (as to security and system compatibility) to make ppl spend money on new laptops.
I was more thinking about Snapdragon X + Linux combos being perfectly aware of Win + ARM problems. In any case the intro of ARM to PC is a matter of time IMO.
Why would it need to convince m1 users to switch? It’s literally is selling m1 thought 3rd parties still. Also, I don’t think they are trouble at all, Mac share up good amount lately
@@TheWWWyrm why? to make more profits? of course it still sells m1 as there is the stock. The Apple sales dived exactly because nobody buys m2 and m3 as they have m1
Have someone noticed: Hot chips 🍟 Department
i do not watch tech news anymore i just listen to sametime
Not sure but thought transistors stopped shrinking at 7nm or 13nm a decade or so ago as a physical limitation. I thought the other nm designations is marketing for hard to describe developments. I'm sure other parts of the chips get to shrink down a bit though.
It depends on what you measure in the chip. The nm now is a “measurement” of how many transistors you can put on a 1 sq. mm. chip if they had been able to shrink the transistors as they used to. It’s a marketing term, but not completely misleading, since they are able to stuff more transistors in the same amount of space.
@@NoX-512 That makes sense, thanks for elaborating
Since they control all the chips, they don’t need to make the cpu that much faster. They can make it faster by putting cores in it that do things faster than a lesser cpu. Maybe it can process certain things better, like graphics and ai computations. Or some other thing they can make run slow on older Mac’s. It’s like when Mac’s got chips that could decode video faster. You didn’t need a faster cpu, just that decoder chip.
The performance jump in the M1 chip was just due to a clever trick in the architecture, but its not an actual increase in performance. It makes development more painful to get the desired performance from those chips. Just run a non M optimized application and you will see how bad its. in the end, its a RISC CPU!
But it worked, didn’t it?
My battery lasts 14 hours, 8 more than any other windows device.
@010falcon Cap
@@jordzking6330 I literally study at the moment, whilst we are programming I just program, whilst my friends and anyone with a windows laptop searches for an outlet.
Go look up any video on battery life. It was one of the reason why back then I chose the Mac and not the Dell XPS 15. Additionally by the time I added all the stuff I wanted to it, it cost me 2200 and the Mac 2500. (same stats)
@@010falcon from an abstract perspective, yes it worked. from a technical standpoint, its just a trick. as i mentioned it would take so much effort to optimize the SW to run with good performance on this chip. you are basically using a tablet in the shape of a laptop. as long as you are using a closed set of apps, you will be fine. microsoft also is releasing a low power RISC chip laptop like the M1, i expect it also to be garbage. you can read RISC vs CISC from architectural perspective and how they work without any bias and you will get it. CISC CPUs are not going anywhere.
@@Format090 Cool info man, I will read into it.
Please don't forget, there is a difference between the enthusiast and the people that just use this stuff. I'm studying physics, I don't care how they did it, I am impressed that they did, and that I can use it. Just like most people.
It's also the reason why I got the Mac and not the XPS 15, not only was the battery life twice as good on Mac, but also as soon as you decked out your XPS to achieve simillar performance you'd be 100 bucks of the Mac.
the reality is this: If it has an apple logo on it, does less than a normal PC and cost 6 times as much, you know eveyrone with a room temp IQ, or lower, is going to camp out over night to buy it.
I would actually still get one because of the OS. I'm really fed up with Windows, and got not enough time for Linux. And Gaming isn't an issue. I'm also gonna build a PC to game, with the same budget I'll spend on the MBP.
It is nice that Windows works for you, but if you ever try to make a Hackintosh or install Linux, you'll wish Windows was more usable (at least in my case).
@@VoidPaul97 Just try PopOS or Linux Mint, if you can't install either of these systems then fair enough buy a Mac. It is so damn simple to install, the only problem then is convincing people of how much better installing and runing apps is, plus the (very small imo) troubleshooting you have to do from time to time. You won't be able to use some apps of course, but there are close enough alternatives 99% of the time. Bonus: using printers and scanners is a breeze with PopOS from my experience, far better than Windows or OSX.
Bonus: you can run Linux on a potato. Recommend the Lenovo T480 for the best laptop keyboard imo.
@@VoidPaul97 I am curious to the advantages. We run Window's 11 PCs and MacBook Pros on the latest Pet Detective at work. We have more stability and connectivity issues with Mac's and are limited to more basic use cases due to inability to run certain equipment.
@@Spoonfed78as a student apples iPad are just goodly. I have a surface and regretted that buy so hard, way to expensive and too much driver problems for that price range
@@VoidPaul97 There are laptops that are sold with Linux installed and full compatibility guaranteed by the manufacturer.
Apple will just turn to the 👽s to see how they are defying the limits of physics.
2:14 or they could get their programmers to write more efficient code, reducing the system's resource usage, and potentially extending battery life.
Excuse me, please don't try to insert logic into this discussion. Stay on topic whatever it is, or might be, or something. Logic is just muddles
up the Apple excuse mongering process.
Do most users really need this speed? A few do, but do they really? Computers are vastly more powerful than we truly need.
You could cook your breakfast on the new M4 chip.
Lol, I watched an actual Apple ad before this.
I have a M4 running at 125 degrees hot but I can toast my bread good every time
Old laptop, first thing i do is upgrade the ram.
Apple HATES the environment.
RAM aside, there is built-in batteries and no support for the stuff that still functions. Wait, I see a pattern!
Yep the 8GB MacBook Pros are proof that Apple does not care about the environment.
or you can cell the laptop and buy a new one.
One mans trash and another man's treasure.
@@RunForPeace-hk1cuAnd what's the first thing I want to do when I buy that device? Upgrade the RAM, SSD,and, if possible, the battery.
did they at least fix the unfixable security flaw?
You do make me laugh & the M4 chips is supine. 🙄 The M1 was the game changer & the M2, M3, & M4 are juts small incremental changes & nothing much to write home about 👍
It's pretty much just like Windows laptops/PCs. Year to year performance increases are now minor. I'm still using the 2020 M1 Macbook Air and it serves my purpose well. If however, snapdragon's X chips can perform as well as M1, I will consider switching. To me the difference between M1 and M2 is only hype and design changes. Nothing significant.
Graphics are a significant change but you may not have a monitor for which it would matter.
They can always improve performance the way AMD and Intel do by increasing the amount of cache.
Apple uses the most cache out of the bunch, even more than intel and AMD. Adding more cache (especially when it's already that much) will bring only a slight improvement while making the chip bigger and more expensive to manufacture.
@@fidelisitor8953 Actually in a comparable computers Apples have less cache, but more than I thought in their high end ones. As I have only used the M1 and M2. Apple’s level 3 cache is shared with the GPU. Where in an Intel or AMD comparable computers don’t share their level 3 cache and they also have large cache in their video cards.
"...the competition is about to catch up soon." "Soon", as in we'll just pretend they weren't left in the dust 4 years ago...
God, I love this channel…His comedy style is as subtle as it is hilarious … you know it coming…, but for few seconds - it’s good ole tech news and just as your mind gets settled - blink - Sam got roasted, …😂. ROFL
Dude I remember when I bought my m1 Mac for 200 bucks off for early Black Friday deal the year it came out. Best deal I have ever gotten on a laptop. That thing still runs so well and can do anything I punch at it. Obviously I wish that there was more game support but aside from that everything else is covered.
If its 8 gig minimum AGAIN for M4, Im not gonna buy it
This is the same problem Intel has where to make it more powerful they have to keep throwing more power at the chips
Did u have a hard time cleaning your mac after the grilled cheese scene 😂😂
The M4 chip is not a crisis. It is a feature.
but, having Mac with Apple logo on fire would be way cooler than current not-even-backlit crap
Not even Apple can escape the harsh realities of quantum mechanics
Who expected the same speed improvements in chip evolution than in changing a complete chip technology? 🤷🏼♂️
Ah yes, the Mackook Pro, I still have one of these in a cabinet somewhere, with all the other useless cooking machines I never use......
Snapdragon I pray makes a solid arm architecture laptop
They need to make their Mac screens touch, in those Mac desktop colours. With magsafe for the phone to be a pc camera and no notch. That mirrors the phones screen on the pc screen that will work like a phone. And with Apple pencil that has mouse controls. And all magsafe Apple symbols for all products
Apple is a relic.
100 degrees Intel sounds high. Is that high? I don't know the conversion to Celsius. 😂
100 intel = 100 Celsius.
@@mikem9536 haha
It's a 100 hot intel chips. Using Einstein's relativity formula, the derived temperature equates to 10,000°C 😂
Things are going to get hotter again!🔥😂
"Oh actually don't worry we'll be fine"
Yeah that pretty much sums it up
But unfortunately, the Qualcomm X Elite SoC uses a lot of power for its SoC size from the reports I've read. It makes the M3 look power efficient in comparison.
Believing unconfirmed rumours isn't the best thing to do, besides MaxTech tested it in Qualcomm's HQ and measured about 28W for the entire reference laptop.
There will always be rumours both good and bad but in the end all we can do is wait for actual products to launch with it and do the testing there instead of believing baseless rumours.
The "intel effect"
I am just supriced Snapdragon made a Laptop chip just now.
They would tried to do it like in 2019.
They've been making laptop chips since 2016. X Elite is the 4th laptop chip they've made.
Hey sam.. did you heard the R1 Rabbit was just an Android 13 based application. Please make a video about it with your humor brother
Ah the law of diminishing returns
Interesting, when my first gen m1 Air finally dies I'll get a direct replacement from Walmart of all places. The M1 does the work I want it to just fine...
Need to run a heat sync to the aluminum body so the whole chassis acts as a heat sync.
Next apple event
If it’s slower it is better
Apple has allegedly peaked. Time to discount shop for the M3s.
The new Mac Sandwich Pro.
3,5 > 3,0 ! 😂 Toasted!
Haven't worked with Apple computers since my Apple II GS, I was happy with that one, after that they just got way to expensive for someone who uses computers as hobby.
Oh they're doing the fanless thing again. Jobs tried that with the Apple III and the G4 Cube. Have you tried dropping it to get the chips reseated?
"I'm sorry Hercules" 😂Was hoping for a bit of Xena in there too.
So they are putting guns in the macbooks?
i didn't knew apple started using assault rifles for their chips
M1 is fine for 99% of users. What the people want is 16-32Gb RAM and more storage. Keep the fast 256Gb SSD and then use fusion drive tech to add nvme SSD to the unit.
0:27 the Apple society's Hercule Poirot? 🥺🥺
🔥🍎🍏 fried apple fries 🍟
I'm just cheering for Apple so they can keep pumping money into TSMC xD
They're going to be fine, people will still buy it for the reasons mentioned at the end.
Thats crazy my Intel Mac still runs bootcamp windows natively and apple is going to end support for the m1
Sounds to me like Qualcomm's going to hit that same physics wall, and a lot quicker than Apple did thanks to being so late to the game and needing to catch up fast.
Good one Sam. Cheers!
Very cool tech review.
Sad you can’t even upgrade your mac ssd
how about building two computers into one case? :)
so rather than making one CPU having more cores and or smaller transistors, actually double up the hardware. double cpu and double ram with some bridge hardware for copy paste and accessing screen memory.
so CPU one could run the OS and some Apps but the extra CPU would solely responsible for running the difficult apps like the adobe suite or whatever image and video processing. that way one CPU’s heat would not affect the other, the crash on the secondary CPU would not drag the main System down.
I get that the battery would be affected…
but the point is that shared workload would keep the individual cpu cooler the size of the die would not change therefore thermal limitations would not kick in and since they are independent computers in a sense all they have to solve is the merging of the screens and sharing the IO ports and with their dedicated 8 or 16 gb of ram they could manage it without swapping or waiting for one process to finish to free up the bus…
and with clever management the secondary CPU could be powered down if not needed.
in a way its scaling like we scale hundreds of GPUs to work on AI or bitcoin mining…
It's a real shame the transputer lost relevance due to corporate troubles, it would be pretty cool if it were still around. As a programmer I wish I could have experienced it.
The os doesn't add that much overhead, additionally - most of the load on the SOC comes from GPU workloads. It's just that some company makes their computers as cheap as possible by making the SOC instead of traditional CPU + GPU configuration.
That’s how it’s already works. Look up pictures of M1 Max and M1 ultra. M1 ultra is just 2 M1 Max chips glued together.
They can give marginal performance upgrade but bump the baee specs to 16gb ram and 512ssd and people will buy them like hot cakes. Problem solved.
Just got the new iPad Pro with M4. Turned out to run cooler than even M2 despite running quite a bit faster 😁
"Actually, dont worry, we'll be fine" is way too true
too many people would still go for an apple product just because fancy apple even if it is significantly worse
the neural engine is where it is at. Here comes local LLMs.
That's just incredible!
Same chip as the note 7
Fireworks, baby!
the exynos version of the note 7 was fine but the battery wasnt
@@KamiKazeD Those sadly never release in Europe to my knowledge.
@@MegaManNeo to be fair qualcomm was releasing shitty cpu's after the 805 until the 845
Look someone that doesn’t understand how computers work.
2:08 Gosh I hope that wasn't your wife's macbook 😅
Funny as heck Sam 👍😂
Last time we had 3.5, it was claimed it was 4. But that was from the nvidia calculator.
Shot horizontally:)
Maybe Apple could chuck ARM and develop a more efficient RISC chip.
The M2 to M4 is not really that much faster than the M1.
Very funny, 1B-samtáka!
The best guy on CZcams!
Yes
If Steve Wozniak was still involved or became ceo apple would be the fastest and best
I still use my 2020 MBP M1 Max with 64GB every single day. It's still an absolute beast. If the M4 is even 50% more powerful than the M1, that's still way more than I actually need. It sounds like what Apple wants to do is add AI capability to the M4 so it can do edge compute. But as for sheer speed and compute, maybe Apple should just stop at the M4. At some point, do we really need even faster computers? I'm happy with more RAM and faster disk.