I’ve been shooting these bullets for a couple years now. I’ve never had a bullet that performed so well in the gun, in the air and best of all in a game animal. Thanks for the video!
I used to run a cnc turning center, but I never saw a lathe where the z was done by the headstock not the tool turret. That’s pretty cool, no need for a bar puller tool to move feed stock through the process. Also, it seems like keeping the cutting tools right at the face of the guide bushing practically eliminates runout due to the feedstock bending under cutting pressure. What a cool machine!
Great product and great guys!!! The thing that surprised me most about Hammer was that when I called to ask them a question, Steve answered the phone. He always answers the phone, or he calls you back when he can. I've been amazed at the performance I've seen personally as well as the performance that other hunters are getting with these bullets!
Great video yall. Hammer bullets are by far the best on game performance bullets I've ever used and hardly no meat damage to that is another plus.they are very easy to do load for.load work up has been pretty easy on all the rifles I load them in.keep up the good work and God bless
Thank you Ron for showcasing this new company and showing the process they use. Having worked in a machine shop, it's easy to see why these bullets would be higher in price than older designs. People don't realize the start up cost of a product when a basic machine can cost an easy $500K. Best wishes to these gentlemen for success.
People don’t care that they spent $1000+ on hunting clothes, $1000+ on a rifle, same for a scope, but they complain when ammo costs more than $20/box and it’s really the only part of the equation that touches the game animal to make your hunt successful. I don’t mind paying a little more for a quality product like Hammer bullets.
I had a client using these bullets last weekend. He had no problem shooting out to 600 yards and dropped a 300 pound Aoudad Ram at 460yrds with a shoulder shot.
I can watch these things being made all day it's amazing what goes into them... I haven't checked the price for these compared to Barnes but I can only assume they're quite a bit more just because they're a smaller company. But slowly I'm getting on board the copper bullet bandwagon especially with the smaller calibers like 22 because you can get an extremely tough lightweight bullet that will handle deer as easily as coyotes. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
I’ve been a fan of Barnes for years, I ordered some hammer bullets for my 7rm and .338lm because I couldn’t find Barnes in stock anywhere. I’m still doing load development for both but I like what I see so far. They are definitely comparable price wise.
Huge skeptic here. You tell me the sky is blue, I'm gonna go outside and check. When I first saw these bullets I was super skeptical about them. I put them off for a while, but when I finally got around to trying them I was pleasantly surprised. Blown away really. Easy to hand load, always in stock, always accurate and the most lethal bullet I've shot to date. Game DRT or die in sight. Hit up the Hammer Time Forum for technical load data from a great bunch of classy and friendly forum members!
Your synopsis is literally what I’ve heard from everyone using these bullets. I’ve had good luck myself with them. I’ve never heard a negative comment about them.
Great bullets and great people. A little pricey but they deliver. Watched Weatherby podcast with Adam,Steve, Steve’s partner, and someone else from Weatherby. Excellent podcast. On the price of bullets, Steve replied : 80K for truck, very expensive rifle, $500 camo suit, expensive hunt so can’t cheap out and not pay $1 for a bullet that is so critical in determining outcome. Anyways, he made a great point. Thanks
I know I love hearing from a guy with dozens of rifles and a nice truck and multiple redundant handguns and a kestrel an first lite gear that a 1.20 hunting bullet is just too much to bear.
It’s the only thing that touches the game animal when it’s alive to make it dead and guys want to pay $20/box of less for loaded ammo, but will complain when they don’t get the game animal they wounded. No doubt Remington CoreLokt have accounted for a large amount of kills over the years…but life moves on and better things come along.
Interesting design, it is similar to Lee's Tumble Lube lead casting mold design. Lee says they do not need sizing , I found that to be accurate. These guys take it much further to deal with the properties of copper and the much higher pressures and velocities with the challenge of conquering flight stability issues. Cool stuff.
You'll like them. I use them extensively in the 22 caliber. While the BCs may not be high as others, and possibly will fall short of advertised depending on your chamber and lead, they are some of the easiest bullets to load, they're easy on the throat, VERY accurate, and they hammer game animals! Definitely give them a try!
Missed the Premier by about an hour. I found something interesting about the 5.7 brass. It too is milled out of a brass rod and thus a reason it is not good for reloading. At least that is what I heard. Anyway, I have several different solid copper projectiles and have yet to try loading any. I need to give it a try.
Nice theory to bullet design, in 45 yrs of taking big game, I have recovered very few bullets, have had excellent wound channels. Bullet technology has come to modern times, with the introduction of Polymer tips of Hornady, Sierra, It is difficult to pay the premium price of lathe produced projectiles. I would have to see the claims made in Gelatin. Additionally would have 3 or more pieces of copper to possibly have to dig out as it breaks off the tip. Thank You for sharing this,
I love my hornadys too but I just shot some of these last Sunday. Unbelievably accurate. My pressure testing group was the size of my tuned ELDM group. They won't perform like an sst, much less explosive but still a little. I've heard a lot of good things.
Brain said at the end “on a small animal they will exit” I shot a Kudu Bull with my 146gr hammer hunter @2900fps from my 280 Remington twice and both rounds passed through the bull. Both shots past 150yds. Beyond impressive bullets
Love Hammer Bullets. I live in California and have to shoot lead free bullets. These bullets are hyper accurate and drop animals where they stand. If I move to another state, I would stay with Hammer Bullets. Good news for these guys with Weatherby.
I’ve got some 124gr loaded for my 6.5 prc and it shoot .4 inch 3 shots.. only thing I saw different is that it requires couples thousands more neck tension.after I ran the neck through a mandrel and seat the bullets I can move the bullet a little so I had to give it 2 thou more neck tension. Haven’t use on game yet but hope so in few weeks. Most accurate copper bullets I’ve used so far.
Thanks for the update Ron, great interview and they look like great target bullets to me,but I'm not a bullition or whatever it's called Lol,I like to shoot anyway folks.
I like the concept as it’s presented, and am anxious at some point to try this new monolithic option. However I don’t think the physics quite add up with the company’s concept of a much smaller, but flatter bullet front doing more tissue damage than a much larger, but rounder fronted bullet. There is certainly a part of the concept you have correct, but you’re only telling half the story.
They make terrible bullets and try to spin them any way they can to make them sound good. Over on their forum they just posted a gel test of a 30 cal going 3,000 fps impact velocity. It went through two gel blocks, leaving a whopping 1” cavity all the way through. At that velocity any other hunting bullet would have shred the first half of the gel block.
Both flat-faced and mushrooming bullets can work well. Bullets like the Hammer use multiple effects since a great deal of energy is released as the tip deforms and shears off. The large sections of the tip cause significant damage by cutting the tissue that is stretched by the temporary cavity. The effect of a flat, large diameter face is well known and is used in many solid lead and big-game brass bullets where deep penetration is needed. The flatter nose accelerates the tissue laterally more effectively than a very rounded nose. FMJ round-nose bullets are known to penetrate much farther and cause less damage than other styles, for example. They push aside the tissue more gently instead of cutting or tearing it apart. For what it's worth, both the Army's EPR bullets (M855A1 and M80A1) and the Marines' SOST bullets (MK318 and MK319) rely on the nose section shearing off and the flat-faced base continuing to travel foreword to increase wounding effect. Things get more complicated however, with a mushrooming bullet when the max diameter of the mushroom is significantly larger than the shank. As long as the face of the mushroom is not too curved, the shear volume of tissue moved aside can cause significant damage. Interestingly, some non-bonded bullets like Hornady's ELD-X are designed so that the mushroom stays of moderate size to prevent the parachute-effect of too large a diameter. the outer edges of the mushroom continually abrade or shear away. Unfortunately, this means that particles of lead are left along the entire wound track.
@@veteranironoutdoors8320 What's your standard of terrible, what do you actually want out of it? They test on gel blocks themselves but only take stuff to market if it kills well in their own hands. Gel isn't animal, animal isn't gel, but they do put a high priority on humane terminal ballistics. They had a new higher bc design recently that didn't perform consistently on their cow elk hunts so they scrapped it. Sounds like you have a lot of time invested in somthing you hate, getting into their forum and pretty deep in the comments section here. Did you have a bad experience with them? Do you disagree with their design principles? I personally like that it's not a high weight retention bullet, I think barnes and other 100 percent retention bullets have too many weak links. Their whole point in building their own bullets to begin with was to have less shredded, blootshot meat than lead but more predictable organ damage than conventional copper, and also be effective at more ranges than other coppers. I think it's a great idea. Maybe they are a couple of sophisticated scammers but I think they are promising. What do you dislike so intensely about them? I've heard a lot of positive things from people who have really challenged them on shots on animals and heard consistently positive things. What have you seen? Sincerely asking.
@@jcarry5214 With the way they design their bullets, they’re not going to perform the same as any other copper bullet because the BCs are too low. The exception would be their bore riders because they can get more velocity out of them to compensate somewhat for the poor bc
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 Yeah they're not the best choice for shooting past 700 for sure. Even the owners would tell you that. They can shoot game at any range they want and they still consider 700 pretty long range. Inside of that the BC really isn't that bad. External and terminal ballistics aren't the same thing though. You are right about the lower friction bullets, I didn't have a ton of interest until those came along. Now I can shoot a 140g as fast as a 28 nosler out of a short action. I'm dropping about half as much and only drifting about 6 " more at 600 compared to the sleekest bullet I can shoot in my gun. Inside of 400 it's no contest whatseover. I mean, It's not for everyone but I think they're worth exploring. It's another tool in the shed.
Don't get them too oil free! Those "hammer trails" are freaking awesome!! I'm ordering some 128gr 257" hammers next week and cannot wait to see what they will do to hogs down here in Texas.
Have they tried making a copper alloy with a cheaper metal perhaps to save some costs and get an almost good of a product or perhaps even a stronger alloy?
They had to go far out of their way to find an alloy that soft, they wanted a design that loses weight. They do have hard alloys tha they only use on target bullets. Cheaper alloy wouldn't bring their costs down that much, a lot of the cost is in the lathing process. It's slow in comparison to other bullets. And a cheaper alloy would be much less predictable in terminal ballistics, there'd be a bigger chance of maiming or slow killing of game animals.
They've said they're not going to skimp on costs since they're producing a premium bullet. They're pretty much in line with all the other boutique bullet companies.
Looks like a swiss/citizen cnc machine.... nice I use to program and set up on them bad boys.. holds excellent tolerance 👌. Though about buying me one and machine my own copper bullets.
Couple of random thoughts from a geezer who still has to work for a living. I remember when all copper bullets first came out. I tried some Barnes offerings in different calibers and in my rifles, they were incredibly accurate. I've taken deer and bison with them, not that I am much of a hunter (darn it!) I remember getting into a conversation with another customer at a gun store who had exactly the opposite experience with accuracy with all copper bullets. Until watching this video, the thought of tight versus loose bore never even occurred to me, even though as a degreed engineer I could easily see the issues with pressure for longer, less dense bullets that needed ribs to lower the bearing surface area. I haven't tried the Hammer bullet... YET. Great idea, machining a radius into those ribs! Lastly, as a guy who earns his living enforcing environmental regulations, I would beg you to SHIP to California, but please don't MOVE to California, because I would be forced to regulate you out of business somehow. One of my staff recently cited the indoor pistol range that I am a member of... groan! You'd probably be shocked at how many 2A supporters there are working in jobs like mine. ;)
Thank you for the excellent excellent information of course I'm not going to be the only one that's going to ask this but what about the 370 a 300 win mag and the 270 on this product on the on the solid projectile what what are their brass out already for these calibers.?? And thank you once again for this information.
Reminds me of the old Nosler Zipedo’s and 300 Winchester designed screw lathe partitions from the 60’s and early 70’s. I’ve shot Barnes in over a Donne of my rifles with several ladder tests and never received acceptable accuracy. To me they are just like hard cast bullets. If they are the wrong diameter they won’t group worth a darn.
I've asked that a bunch. Some people say as low as 1800 fps, but few people have tried that. All long time users agree 2000 if 100% good. That's way farther away than 2400 fps or whatever most coppers start getting erratic at. just to be clear, they don't expand they partially fragment and hole punch. Weird combo but it seems to be working.
@@jcarry5214 that flat front without the soft edges of a mushroom creates a much larger permanent wound cavity than something that mushrooms or is rounded would.
Ever tried to use solid carbide gun drills for the hollow point? Super accurate, no deflection, unpaired precision. Costs less than a spiral drill and it's easier to regrind. Probably last 4000 hits until it needs regrinding.
From that explanation the rounded nose of the remaining shank acts like a hydrostatic solid does….creates a leading wound groove through surrounding tissue much greater than the diameter of the bullet. Then there is the damage of the petals that slice rather than push.
I’d love to see Federal pick up Hammer in their premium line. It’s cool that Weatherby is on board but they only chamber for their cartridges. We need a regular ammo company to pick up the rest of the cartridges most of us are shooting.
as a small biz owner myself and bagging a big account is very vilifying! where can we get load data for these and where to buy them i always want to support small businesses
If you are in the USA purchase directly from Hammer, your bullets will arrive in just a few days. For load data Steve recommends using Nosler and Hodgdon lead data of same weight. Worked out well for me. Some rifles the velocity will be faster than what you expect, others will be normal. Buy lighter grain bullet than lead and usually faster burning powder off the data chart. Also know your rate of twist each bullet has that posted on the page and stick to the recommendation.
I just watched the previous video of the video conference between Ron and Steve, so a hammer bullet is designed to shed petals at or above the “minimum speed” would that mean that at lower velocity’s like 13-1500 fps the bullet would likely retain its petals? If it retained its petals it would then behave somewhat like a barnes after barnes expands with its petals attached…?
To say something for hammer, they basically cost the same as a accubond bullet.. I paid something like $120 for a box of 210 nosler accubond Lr. give or take $5.
You automate the machining for volume. Divert the people to quality of the product. If you are a new company that already sees employees as a liability, you've already failed. You are doing the hiring a skilled set up man is making $40-$60 an hour plus good benefits. But that guy can make you millionaires.
Lathe turned monolithic bullets are definitely the future!!! I think the big thing will be “fluid transfer monolithics” or “FTM”. FTM projectiles have better penetration than a FMJ or flat nosed monolithic. But hey also have a snow plow effect that sends material shooting outwards in all directions. This is similar to putting your thumb over a hose on full power. This is achieved through flutes cut in the bullet that redirects the fluid outwards. These bullets do not need to expand so this effect is achieved at any velocity. So it’s really the best of all worlds. The only limitation is the lighter weight of the copper/brass which results in less sectional density and resulting less ballistics coefficient. However this really isn’t a big issue and could be overcome with a tungsten alloy that would give it the same density as lead or better. Also it would harder due to the tungsten added. This would cause less deformation and even more penetration. Obviously driving bands or a jacket of brass/gilding metal would be necessary to work in the bore but it’s fixable. Also for certain countries it would be a way around expanding bullet prohibition.
Tungsten would absolutely destroy a rifle bore. Copper is muuuuch softer than tungsten, and is still rough on a bore, not to mention copper fouling. The drive bands reduce friction and reduce fouling. The more friction, the more heat. Anything harder than copper would be a bore-killer, unless it was in a sabot.
@@scbane sorry I should have clarified. I was referring to a tungsten alloy core not monolithic just a chunk in the shank. Barnes has done this with one of their bullets.
Sounds like a good new bullet design. But in theory, Old School. The concepts behind DRT bullets seem revolutionary. I wonder why so few do not want to use, test or talk about DRT? I've seen 2 big game animals taken with 1 DRT shot each. Ones eyes open when a 243 Win effectively takes elk! More field research is needed, because DRT bullets could be a real game changer, where energy and caliber are not as important. Magnums only needed for longer ranges? For instance, say it turns out a 30-06 150 grain DRT bullet can take most big game, at normal hunting ranges, with 1 shot similar to a broadhead which creates overwhelming terminal damage... like an arrow does... well, the need for big cartridges may decline. Like why shoot a 338 when an 06 does the same? Or for that matter a 270, 243 or 223? So, either DRT bullets are not 100% reliable- which still needs to be further tested, or hunters just can't wrap their brains around a bullet designed to explode for use on big game... or quite possibly every bullet maker fears DRT? Because it might mean a new Era in bullet technology and they could go under? I know many will scoff at all this, but others embrace the DRT technology. This fall I intend to take a black bear, deer and elk, shooting 150 grain DRTs in my 300 Win. My buddy will try to do the same with his 270 Win and/or 30-06. We both hope those bullets to perform as expected. If they do, then I'll build a custom 243, shooting DRTs for any NA game. Heck, they're using 223 DRTs on plains game in Africa! I believe a related video is on the DRT site.
DRT is a massive change from the conventional. And there's all but nothing out there on them. All but nothing from the company themselves. They need to show a crap ton more testing, in videos and get those out there before I'd risk a hunt on something that new.
That's not what is being explained to you in the video. If you have a look at the barnes bullets, they cut the bands square, and so does every other manufacturer. These are cut on a radius, has nothing to do with the bullet being round.
As a manufacturing engineer and six-sigma productivity guy: I gotta say that 20seconds surprises me. I'd eat my shoes with ketchup if I can't get that down to 2 seconds each. (in other words, 30 per minute all day and all night seven days a week.
Where am from we have alot of copper and when I say a lot I mean a lot. Am thinking how would I get there Or how would I get those machines here to make copper bullets
Hey guys, I ordered a sample of some 358 220 gr bullets for a very unique rifle I’m loading for. It’s essentially a wild cat adaptation on an old cartridge that doesn’t exist anymore. I currently have to swage them down to .356 for the bore I’m working with to keep the pressure reasonable. Is it possible To order them from you slightly under sized?
Is that small drilled-out hole enough to spread the metal petals? I would think that hole could easily become filled with tissue and fail, some many other makers take a lot more material out of the channel.
What percentage of animals would you say the petals exit from? I’m currently shooting Hornady‘s new CX bullet simply because I don’t like the idea of petals getting lodged in meat somewhere and finding it on my plate. I’ve been interested in Hammer bullets for a few years now but the all copper petals worry me. Let me know your thoughts guys. Thanks!
I use Barnes bullets and have only found one bullet in the last 25yrs of hunting deer, elk and hogs. Made a "Texas heart shot" on a pig and found the bullet perfectly expanded and intact under the hide in the right shoulder. 180gr TTSX bullet weighed 180 grains when recovered and cleaned. Yes, monolithic bullets sometimes fragment, I've never found any fragments in any bite of meat on any animal I've ever taken.
I’ve bitten into enough copper jackets that I’m not too concerned about fragments of anything but lead, which I’ve also bitten into. Copper doesn’t frighten me as much as lead.
@@dr.froghopper6711 I don't knock anyone for using lead. To each his own where permitted. I prefer copper for the fact that I think copper bullets work better and there's no concern about toxicity. Particularly Barnes bullets, after 5 elk and scads of deer and pigs without a loss with a 257 Weatherby, I'm convinced!
@@dr.froghopper6711 I know what your saying, had a family member that shot deer with vmax and happened to have bitten down on some lead when eating some meat he gave me 😐
Good luck with the new bullets. However, Barnes has served me exceptionally well and I see no reason to change. With handloading components so rare and horribly expensive, I can find no viable reason to start the load development process to replace an already great result. Sounds like you have a good product, maybe I'll try them if the price gouging on reloading components ever stops! As for now, I have enough bullets, powder, primers and brass for all my calibers to last me the rest of my life. Again, good luck with your product.
I’ve been shooting these bullets for a couple years now. I’ve never had a bullet that performed so well in the gun, in the air and best of all in a game animal. Thanks for the video!
I used to run a cnc turning center, but I never saw a lathe where the z was done by the headstock not the tool turret. That’s pretty cool, no need for a bar puller tool to move feed stock through the process. Also, it seems like keeping the cutting tools right at the face of the guide bushing practically eliminates runout due to the feedstock bending under cutting pressure. What a cool machine!
I second this as a machinist myself
It's known as a "Swiss Screw Machine", or just a "Screw Machine". It uses a sliding headtsock, allowing for machining long, slender parts accurately.
I wish them great success and admire them for getting into a somewhat crowded field with a new idea.
Great product and great guys!!! The thing that surprised me most about Hammer was that when I called to ask them a question, Steve answered the phone. He always answers the phone, or he calls you back when he can. I've been amazed at the performance I've seen personally as well as the performance that other hunters are getting with these bullets!
Great video yall. Hammer bullets are by far the best on game performance bullets I've ever used and hardly no meat damage to that is another plus.they are very easy to do load for.load work up has been pretty easy on all the rifles I load them in.keep up the good work and God bless
Meat damage is good.
At 5:20, I believe the term you are searching for is "ongoing concern" (not "real company").
Thank you Ron for showcasing this new company and showing the process they use. Having worked in a machine shop, it's easy to see why these bullets would be higher in price than older designs. People don't realize the start up cost of a product when a basic machine can cost an easy $500K. Best wishes to these gentlemen for success.
People don’t care that they spent $1000+ on hunting clothes, $1000+ on a rifle, same for a scope, but they complain when ammo costs more than $20/box and it’s really the only part of the equation that touches the game animal to make your hunt successful. I don’t mind paying a little more for a quality product like Hammer bullets.
I had a client using these bullets last weekend. He had no problem shooting out to 600 yards and dropped a 300 pound Aoudad Ram at 460yrds with a shoulder shot.
I can watch these things being made all day it's amazing what goes into them... I haven't checked the price for these compared to Barnes but I can only assume they're quite a bit more just because they're a smaller company. But slowly I'm getting on board the copper bullet bandwagon especially with the smaller calibers like 22 because you can get an extremely tough lightweight bullet that will handle deer as easily as coyotes. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
I've looked before, and they are actually comparable.
@@SDMacMan that's pretty cool I thought for sure they were going to be a good bit more...
I’ve been a fan of Barnes for years, I ordered some hammer bullets for my 7rm and .338lm because I couldn’t find Barnes in stock anywhere. I’m still doing load development for both but I like what I see so far.
They are definitely comparable price wise.
Huge skeptic here. You tell me the sky is blue, I'm gonna go outside and check. When I first saw these bullets I was super skeptical about them. I put them off for a while, but when I finally got around to trying them I was pleasantly surprised. Blown away really. Easy to hand load, always in stock, always accurate and the most lethal bullet I've shot to date. Game DRT or die in sight. Hit up the Hammer Time Forum for technical load data from a great bunch of classy and friendly forum members!
Your synopsis is literally what I’ve heard from everyone using these bullets. I’ve had good luck myself with them. I’ve never heard a negative comment about them.
Good afternoon Ron from NY
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That’s so cool 😎 I will try them in my 257 Weatherby Magnum. God bless Hammer Bullets.
Great bullets and great people. A little pricey but they deliver. Watched Weatherby podcast with Adam,Steve, Steve’s partner, and someone else from Weatherby. Excellent podcast. On the price of bullets, Steve replied : 80K for truck, very expensive rifle, $500 camo suit, expensive hunt so can’t cheap out and not pay $1 for a bullet that is so critical in determining outcome. Anyways, he made a great point. Thanks
I know I love hearing from a guy with dozens of rifles and a nice truck and multiple redundant handguns and a kestrel an first lite gear that a 1.20 hunting bullet is just too much to bear.
It’s the only thing that touches the game animal when it’s alive to make it dead and guys want to pay $20/box of less for loaded ammo, but will complain when they don’t get the game animal they wounded. No doubt Remington CoreLokt have accounted for a large amount of kills over the years…but life moves on and better things come along.
Interesting design, it is similar to Lee's Tumble Lube lead casting mold design. Lee says they do not need sizing , I found that to be accurate. These guys take it much further to deal with the properties of copper and the much higher pressures and velocities with the challenge of conquering flight stability issues. Cool stuff.
They seem like a couple of good humble guys. I think I'll give there bullets a try. All the best.
Cheers, Jeff
You'll like them. I use them extensively in the 22 caliber. While the BCs may not be high as others, and possibly will fall short of advertised depending on your chamber and lead, they are some of the easiest bullets to load, they're easy on the throat, VERY accurate, and they hammer game animals!
Definitely give them a try!
Excellent work guys, was talking to Steve a few days ago, about getting some product over here in Aussie-land... looking forward to trying them out...
Great video. 👍👍
Missed the Premier by about an hour. I found something interesting about the 5.7 brass. It too is milled out of a brass rod and thus a reason it is not good for reloading. At least that is what I heard. Anyway, I have several different solid copper projectiles and have yet to try loading any. I need to give it a try.
Those things are fast 💨 cool video, thanks for sharing 😊
Great interview & product, want to put some through a target now & see how they handle.
Looking forward to trying some.
I visit both those guys a few times a year in their shop. They are great guys who make great bullets.
Nice theory to bullet design, in 45 yrs of taking big game, I have recovered very few bullets, have had excellent wound channels. Bullet technology has come to modern times, with the introduction of Polymer tips of Hornady, Sierra, It is difficult to pay the premium price of lathe produced projectiles. I would have to see the claims made in Gelatin. Additionally would have 3 or more pieces of copper to possibly have to dig out as it breaks off the tip. Thank You for sharing this,
Pretty cool.
Very cool video! I can’t wait to put some Hammer bullets to work, in my trusty .257 Weatherby.
Very simple to explain but genius
Thanks!
very interesting.
I recently switched to Sinterfire Duty loads in my M&P .45 Shield and in my wife's Kahr P380.
Wow what timing on this video. I'm relatively new to rifle shooting and I just read about these guys for the first time yesterday.
May have to try some.... but I really do love my sst
I love my hornadys too but I just shot some of these last Sunday. Unbelievably accurate. My pressure testing group was the size of my tuned ELDM group. They won't perform like an sst, much less explosive but still a little. I've heard a lot of good things.
Brain said at the end “on a small animal they will exit” I shot a Kudu Bull with my 146gr hammer hunter @2900fps from my 280 Remington twice and both rounds passed through the bull. Both shots past 150yds. Beyond impressive bullets
Engineering & Machining at its finest
Love Hammer Bullets. I live in California and have to shoot lead free bullets. These bullets are hyper accurate and drop animals where they stand. If I move to another state, I would stay with Hammer Bullets. Good news for these guys with Weatherby.
Awesome you can get rid of heartbeats but can’t fire the mind, it keeps discovering!
I’ve got some 124gr loaded for my 6.5 prc and it shoot .4 inch 3 shots.. only thing I saw different is that it requires couples thousands more neck tension.after I ran the neck through a mandrel and seat the bullets I can move the bullet a little so I had to give it 2 thou more neck tension. Haven’t use on game yet but hope so in few weeks. Most accurate copper bullets I’ve used so far.
I enjoy the process of hammer bullets, how and where do I try this new bullet ?
They seem like good honest guys.
Thanks for the update Ron, great interview and they look like great target bullets to me,but I'm not a bullition or whatever it's called Lol,I like to shoot anyway folks.
Pro! Very pro!
I like the concept as it’s presented, and am anxious at some point to try this new monolithic option. However I don’t think the physics quite add up with the company’s concept of a much smaller, but flatter bullet front doing more tissue damage than a much larger, but rounder fronted bullet. There is certainly a part of the concept you have correct, but you’re only telling half the story.
They make terrible bullets and try to spin them any way they can to make them sound good. Over on their forum they just posted a gel test of a 30 cal going 3,000 fps impact velocity. It went through two gel blocks, leaving a whopping 1” cavity all the way through. At that velocity any other hunting bullet would have shred the first half of the gel block.
Both flat-faced and mushrooming bullets can work well. Bullets like the Hammer use multiple effects since a great deal of energy is released as the tip deforms and shears off. The large sections of the tip cause significant damage by cutting the tissue that is stretched by the temporary cavity. The effect of a flat, large diameter face is well known and is used in many solid lead and big-game brass bullets where deep penetration is needed. The flatter nose accelerates the tissue laterally more effectively than a very rounded nose. FMJ round-nose bullets are known to penetrate much farther and cause less damage than other styles, for example. They push aside the tissue more gently instead of cutting or tearing it apart.
For what it's worth, both the Army's EPR bullets (M855A1 and M80A1) and the Marines' SOST bullets (MK318 and MK319) rely on the nose section shearing off and the flat-faced base continuing to travel foreword to increase wounding effect.
Things get more complicated however, with a mushrooming bullet when the max diameter of the mushroom is significantly larger than the shank. As long as the face of the mushroom is not too curved, the shear volume of tissue moved aside can cause significant damage. Interestingly, some non-bonded bullets like Hornady's ELD-X are designed so that the mushroom stays of moderate size to prevent the parachute-effect of too large a diameter. the outer edges of the mushroom continually abrade or shear away. Unfortunately, this means that particles of lead are left along the entire wound track.
@@veteranironoutdoors8320 What's your standard of terrible, what do you actually want out of it? They test on gel blocks themselves but only take stuff to market if it kills well in their own hands. Gel isn't animal, animal isn't gel, but they do put a high priority on humane terminal ballistics. They had a new higher bc design recently that didn't perform consistently on their cow elk hunts so they scrapped it. Sounds like you have a lot of time invested in somthing you hate, getting into their forum and pretty deep in the comments section here. Did you have a bad experience with them? Do you disagree with their design principles? I personally like that it's not a high weight retention bullet, I think barnes and other 100 percent retention bullets have too many weak links.
Their whole point in building their own bullets to begin with was to have less shredded, blootshot meat than lead but more predictable organ damage than conventional copper, and also be effective at more ranges than other coppers. I think it's a great idea. Maybe they are a couple of sophisticated scammers but I think they are promising. What do you dislike so intensely about them? I've heard a lot of positive things from people who have really challenged them on shots on animals and heard consistently positive things. What have you seen? Sincerely asking.
@@jcarry5214 With the way they design their bullets, they’re not going to perform the same as any other copper bullet because the BCs are too low. The exception would be their bore riders because they can get more velocity out of them to compensate somewhat for the poor bc
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 Yeah they're not the best choice for shooting past 700 for sure. Even the owners would tell you that. They can shoot game at any range they want and they still consider 700 pretty long range. Inside of that the BC really isn't that bad. External and terminal ballistics aren't the same thing though. You are right about the lower friction bullets, I didn't have a ton of interest until those came along. Now I can shoot a 140g as fast as a 28 nosler out of a short action. I'm dropping about half as much and only drifting about 6 " more at 600 compared to the sleekest bullet I can shoot in my gun. Inside of 400 it's no contest whatseover. I mean, It's not for everyone but I think they're worth exploring. It's another tool in the shed.
Don't get them too oil free! Those "hammer trails" are freaking awesome!! I'm ordering some 128gr 257" hammers next week and cannot wait to see what they will do to hogs down here in Texas.
25-06?
@@cheifbrownrabbit3986 25-06AI
@@kirkmartin2223 hell ya that's what my 270 is going to be once I burn it out
Good luck with blastin hogs man.
120gr HH out of a 7mm-08 DRT TX hogs!
Brilliant! I love it!
Amazing bullets. Extremely accurate. .280 Remington shot 2/8” group for 3 shots.
What the hell you talking about? Are you saying quarter inch groups or two eight inch groups?
Nice bullets, I would like to see something from them for my 41 mag...
Have they tried making a copper alloy with a cheaper metal perhaps to save some costs and get an almost good of a product or perhaps even a stronger alloy?
They had to go far out of their way to find an alloy that soft, they wanted a design that loses weight. They do have hard alloys tha they only use on target bullets.
Cheaper alloy wouldn't bring their costs down that much, a lot of the cost is in the lathing process. It's slow in comparison to other bullets. And a cheaper alloy would be much less predictable in terminal ballistics, there'd be a bigger chance of maiming or slow killing of game animals.
They've said they're not going to skimp on costs since they're producing a premium bullet. They're pretty much in line with all the other boutique bullet companies.
Great explanation and great innovation
Looks like a swiss/citizen cnc machine.... nice I use to program and set up on them bad boys.. holds excellent tolerance 👌. Though about buying me one and machine my own copper bullets.
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Couple of random thoughts from a geezer who still has to work for a living. I remember when all copper bullets first came out. I tried some Barnes offerings in different calibers and in my rifles, they were incredibly accurate. I've taken deer and bison with them, not that I am much of a hunter (darn it!) I remember getting into a conversation with another customer at a gun store who had exactly the opposite experience with accuracy with all copper bullets. Until watching this video, the thought of tight versus loose bore never even occurred to me, even though as a degreed engineer I could easily see the issues with pressure for longer, less dense bullets that needed ribs to lower the bearing surface area. I haven't tried the Hammer bullet... YET. Great idea, machining a radius into those ribs! Lastly, as a guy who earns his living enforcing environmental regulations, I would beg you to SHIP to California, but please don't MOVE to California, because I would be forced to regulate you out of business somehow. One of my staff recently cited the indoor pistol range that I am a member of... groan! You'd probably be shocked at how many 2A supporters there are working in jobs like mine. ;)
Thank you for the excellent excellent information of course I'm not going to be the only one that's going to ask this but what about the 370 a 300 win mag and the 270 on this product on the on the solid projectile what what are their brass out already for these calibers.?? And thank you once again for this information.
Reminds me of the old Nosler Zipedo’s and 300 Winchester designed screw lathe partitions from the 60’s and early 70’s. I’ve shot Barnes in over a Donne of my rifles with several ladder tests and never received acceptable accuracy. To me they are just like hard cast bullets. If they are the wrong diameter they won’t group worth a darn.
What is the lowest velocity your bullets will expand at ?
I've asked that a bunch. Some people say as low as 1800 fps, but few people have tried that. All long time users agree 2000 if 100% good. That's way farther away than 2400 fps or whatever most coppers start getting erratic at. just to be clear, they don't expand they partially fragment and hole punch. Weird combo but it seems to be working.
@@jcarry5214 that flat front without the soft edges of a mushroom creates a much larger permanent wound cavity than something that mushrooms or is rounded would.
Any work hardening or annealing getting done?
Nice.... I'll give'em a shot... PUN INTENDED...
Great video Ron! "If you build a better mousetrap....." Congratulations to the people at Hammer! Thanks Ron for making this video for us.
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This is very cool
Ever tried to use solid carbide gun drills for the hollow point? Super accurate, no deflection, unpaired precision. Costs less than a spiral drill and it's easier to regrind. Probably last 4000 hits until it needs regrinding.
I like it
That .375 cal 410 gr bullet looks nasty!!
Do we have a Canadian distributor for Hammer?
Love them, just cant afford them.
Swear to god...I clicked on this video because the thumbnail looked like a one hitter. I was like "That's a sweet bat."
From that explanation the rounded nose of the remaining shank acts like a hydrostatic solid does….creates a leading wound groove through surrounding tissue much greater than the diameter of the bullet. Then there is the damage of the petals that slice rather than push.
I’d love to see Federal pick up Hammer in their premium line. It’s cool that Weatherby is on board but they only chamber for their cartridges. We need a regular ammo company to pick up the rest of the cartridges most of us are shooting.
as a small biz owner myself and bagging a big account is very vilifying!
where can we get load data for these and where to buy them
i always want to support small businesses
If you are in the USA purchase directly from Hammer, your bullets will arrive in just a few days. For load data Steve recommends using Nosler and Hodgdon lead data of same weight. Worked out well for me. Some rifles the velocity will be faster than what you expect, others will be normal. Buy lighter grain bullet than lead and usually faster burning powder off the data chart. Also know your rate of twist each bullet has that posted on the page and stick to the recommendation.
Both Elmer Kieth and Jack Connor would agree with your design.
That's saying a lot, considering Elmer Keith and Jack O'Connor disagreed on almost everything and quite frankly couldn't stand each other 🤔😄
Oil in the hollow point is a good thing.
Were these distributed everywhere in the 50s?
I just watched the previous video of the video conference between Ron and Steve, so a hammer bullet is designed to shed petals at or above the “minimum speed” would that mean that at lower velocity’s like 13-1500 fps the bullet would likely retain its petals? If it retained its petals it would then behave somewhat like a barnes after barnes expands with its petals attached…?
Man these guys are doing a grade 3 show and tell, they started of so nervous.
Good Video.
To say something for hammer, they basically cost the same as a accubond bullet.. I paid something like $120 for a box of 210 nosler accubond Lr. give or take $5.
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What machines are those?
What caliber bullet is that? Thanks
You try brass or bronze???
You automate the machining for volume. Divert the people to quality of the product. If you are a new company that already sees employees as a liability, you've already failed. You are doing the hiring a skilled set up man is making $40-$60 an hour plus good benefits. But that guy can make you millionaires.
Lathe turned monolithic bullets are definitely the future!!! I think the big thing will be “fluid transfer monolithics” or “FTM”. FTM projectiles have better penetration than a FMJ or flat nosed monolithic. But hey also have a snow plow effect that sends material shooting outwards in all directions. This is similar to putting your thumb over a hose on full power. This is achieved through flutes cut in the bullet that redirects the fluid outwards.
These bullets do not need to expand so this effect is achieved at any velocity. So it’s really the best of all worlds. The only limitation is the lighter weight of the copper/brass which results in less sectional density and resulting less ballistics coefficient. However this really isn’t a big issue and could be overcome with a tungsten alloy that would give it the same density as lead or better. Also it would harder due to the tungsten added. This would cause less deformation and even more penetration. Obviously driving bands or a jacket of brass/gilding metal would be necessary to work in the bore but it’s fixable.
Also for certain countries it would be a way around expanding bullet prohibition.
Tungsten would absolutely destroy a rifle bore. Copper is muuuuch softer than tungsten, and is still rough on a bore, not to mention copper fouling. The drive bands reduce friction and reduce fouling. The more friction, the more heat. Anything harder than copper would be a bore-killer, unless it was in a sabot.
@@scbane sorry I should have clarified. I was referring to a tungsten alloy core not monolithic just a chunk in the shank. Barnes has done this with one of their bullets.
@@danielcurtis1434 the MRX which was dropped a while ago. Difficult to work, and very expensive to produce.
Sounds like a good new bullet design. But in theory, Old School. The concepts behind DRT bullets seem revolutionary. I wonder why so few do not want to use, test or talk about DRT? I've seen 2 big game animals taken with 1 DRT shot each. Ones eyes open when a 243 Win effectively takes elk! More field research is needed, because DRT bullets could be a real game changer, where energy and caliber are not as important. Magnums only needed for longer ranges? For instance, say it turns out a 30-06 150 grain DRT bullet can take most big game, at normal hunting ranges, with 1 shot similar to a broadhead which creates overwhelming terminal damage... like an arrow does... well, the need for big cartridges may decline. Like why shoot a 338 when an 06 does the same? Or for that matter a 270, 243 or 223? So, either DRT bullets are not 100% reliable- which still needs to be further tested, or hunters just can't wrap their brains around a bullet designed to explode for use on big game... or quite possibly every bullet maker fears DRT? Because it might mean a new Era in bullet technology and they could go under? I know many will scoff at all this, but others embrace the DRT technology. This fall I intend to take a black bear, deer and elk, shooting 150 grain DRTs in my 300 Win. My buddy will try to do the same with his 270 Win and/or 30-06. We both hope those bullets to perform as expected. If they do, then I'll build a custom 243, shooting DRTs for any NA game. Heck, they're using 223 DRTs on plains game in Africa! I believe a related video is on the DRT site.
DRT is a massive change from the conventional. And there's all but nothing out there on them. All but nothing from the company themselves. They need to show a crap ton more testing, in videos and get those out there before I'd risk a hunt on something that new.
Of course your drive bands are on a radius, the bullets are round. 😆
They had to do that to avoid infringing upon existing patents. Their 'new' concepts were based on existing patented bullet design.
That's not what is being explained to you in the video. If you have a look at the barnes bullets, they cut the bands square, and so does every other manufacturer. These are cut on a radius, has nothing to do with the bullet being round.
As a manufacturing engineer and six-sigma productivity guy: I gotta say that 20seconds surprises me. I'd eat my shoes with ketchup if I can't get that down to 2 seconds each. (in other words, 30 per minute all day and all night seven days a week.
Where am from we have alot of copper and when I say a lot I mean a lot.
Am thinking how would I get there
Or how would I get those machines here to make copper bullets
Thanks guys .Awesome video! What drill do you use and do the drills often break, what is the feed rate
Is it possible to make a .650 b.c. 80 grain .338?
20 seconds? I need to upgrade my tools! It takes me 25 minutes to single point a bullet on my manual lathe
Hey guys, I ordered a sample of some 358 220 gr bullets for a very unique rifle I’m loading for. It’s essentially a wild cat adaptation on an old cartridge that doesn’t exist anymore. I currently have to swage them down to .356 for the bore I’m working with to keep the pressure reasonable. Is it possible To order them from you slightly under sized?
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Will cut petals be on future projectile designs?
They had me until they said the petals break off, I will be sticking with Barnes.
Is that small drilled-out hole enough to spread the metal petals? I would think that hole could easily become filled with tissue and fail, some many other makers take a lot more material out of the channel.
I want a 100gr 5.56 please! The heaviest I have found is 77gr
Sounds like that would be 2 inches long.
What percentage of animals would you say the petals exit from? I’m currently shooting Hornady‘s new CX bullet simply because I don’t like the idea of petals getting lodged in meat somewhere and finding it on my plate. I’ve been interested in Hammer bullets for a few years now but the all copper petals worry me. Let me know your thoughts guys. Thanks!
I use Barnes bullets and have only found one bullet in the last 25yrs of hunting deer, elk and hogs. Made a "Texas heart shot" on a pig and found the bullet perfectly expanded and intact under the hide in the right shoulder. 180gr TTSX bullet weighed 180 grains when recovered and cleaned. Yes, monolithic bullets sometimes fragment, I've never found any fragments in any bite of meat on any animal I've ever taken.
they would be much easier to find than all the lead dust that breaks off a conventional bullet.
I’ve bitten into enough copper jackets that I’m not too concerned about fragments of anything but lead, which I’ve also bitten into. Copper doesn’t frighten me as much as lead.
@@dr.froghopper6711 I don't knock anyone for using lead. To each his own where permitted. I prefer copper for the fact that I think copper bullets work better and there's no concern about toxicity.
Particularly Barnes bullets, after 5 elk and scads of deer and pigs without a loss with a 257 Weatherby, I'm convinced!
@@dr.froghopper6711 I know what your saying, had a family member that shot deer with vmax and happened to have bitten down on some lead when eating some meat he gave me 😐
Good luck with the new bullets. However, Barnes has served me exceptionally well and I see no reason to change.
With handloading components so rare and horribly expensive, I can find no viable reason to start the load development process to replace an already great result.
Sounds like you have a good product, maybe I'll try them if the price gouging on reloading components ever stops! As for now, I have enough bullets, powder, primers and brass for all my calibers to last me the rest of my life.
Again, good luck with your product.
Once again I beg you to please do a video on 264 win mag
"On a radius"
Do you make flat base bullets
They do
@@noahhorinek ty so far iam not really sold on their bullets.
I still prefer copper expanding bullets over fracturing ...
What cartridge is that .375 caliber 400 grain bullet designed for 😳😳😳
I'm not sure, but probably a 375 CheyTac, maybe 375 RUM.