Major Questions in Qur'anic Studies with Dr. Gabriel Reynolds
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- Major Questions in Qur'anic Studies with Dr. Gabriel Reynolds
Dr. Gabriel Reynolds, Luis Dizon and Michael Lofton discuss issues related to Qur'anic studies such as the textual transmission of the Quran and how the Quran compares with Biblical accounts of Biblical figures.
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The Quran was initially compiled well before Uthman! Here are three original independent compilers:
1) Ali ibn Abi Talib
2) Abdullah ibn Mas'uud
3) Ubayy ibn Ka'b
Uthman's was a later compilation. So the original three compilations above were in the life of the Prophet. John Wansbrough was totally wrong!
Great series hosted by Luis. Thanks Dr Lofton
The Quran itself tells you how to read it correctly, the example he mentioned about is it [Maliki] Possessor or [Meliki] King:
It is mentioned clearly in other chapter that (the OWNERSHIP that Day is to Allah) Quran 22:56 So [Maliki] the Possessor is the right reading which is also confirmed in other chapters of the Quran like 25:26, 40:16
Which that is how most Muslims read it.
Thank you for this fascinating conversation.
There have always, it seems, been many who will quibble about what’s written, who wrote it, and when. What they fail to recognize , whether they are religious or not, is that the sacred writings are always written and compiled much later, and often with the intent to create uniformity in outer social structures for political purposes. This isn’t a bad thing. In fact it’s necessary. The one thing which the golden age of Islam demonstrates is that it could be done so well. And it is an example of profound human achievement. I wish more people were aware of these early Islamic contributions to our Western culture.
The seminal event, the actual mystical “event”, however, will always be a mystery, unless one has experienced it for oneself. Otto Rank referred to this experience as the “mysterium tremendum fascinans”. This divine element is not easily articulated to others, and is often difficult for the community to bear. Hence the necessity for scripture, be it Jewish, Christian, or Islamic.
So despite the controversial aspects of having more secular analysis of the Qur’an as initiated by Dr Crone, those of us who “know” aren’t angered and triggered by the supposed “arrogance of philosophers “. For as Gershom Scholem noted in ON THE KABBALAH AND ITS SYMBOLISM, “ in order for the indescribable to become the foundation of religious authority, it had to be translated into human language… every statement on which authority is grounded would become a human interpretation, however valid and exalted, of something that transcends it.”
Seyyed Hossein Nasr, puts it another way in ISLAM, THE UNTOLD STORY: There is an old Arab proverb: “Not being able to know something is no proof that it doesn’t exist.”
Thanks again for posting!
Luis’ question at 25:00-26:00 is 🔥
Great conversation Gabriel's point of how Shia Muslim thought being more open to God's morphology and spiritual connection to man offers interesting insight Christians ought to utilize as the walls of Islam are coming down in Shia minority countries.
BTW, what is the so-called 'apocryphal' material. Who decided these to be 'apocryphal'? I mean many Gospels have things that do not agree with each other, so they too could be 'apocryphal' as relative to one another!
BTW, that letter by the fellow called al-Kindi (not to be confused with the famous philosopher) I thought was shown to be a later forgery! No?
The Church created by Christ decided what was legitimate and what was illegitimate, just as the Calpihates decided what was a real hadith and what wasn't,
@@Kassalawy56789 I’m assuming you’d say that the scholars decided upon Hadith authenticity; those scholars appointed by caliphs who your fellow Muslims (Shia and otherwise) denounce as corrupt tyrants.
Luis, what do you think about PfanderFilms and Dan Gibson?
I've only done a little bit of digging into the Arabia Petra theory but based on what I know of the topic, I'm disinclined to accept the theory. The evidence isn't really convincing.
@@luisdizon2486 Petra waffle has been thoroughly discredited, esp. from the point of mosques supposedly in the wrong direction. David King has much to say on this, all about direction finding an object on a distant curved surface:
*Science in the Service of Islam*
czcams.com/video/dzdYc2St3fc/video.html
Other works by him similarly blast Dan Gibson out of the water.
I know R and T is geared towards converting Eastern Orthodox but I think there is a massive need for a focus on converting Muslims like Orthodox Shahada.
Catholic evangelization became feminine, lost its masculinity!!! Busy Inside, lost the battle outside, in the fields.
Nobody wants your missionaries. We'll defend ourselves
The hypocracy of Rynolds is aparrant at 33:30 when talking about curroption in bible.
*DEAR CHRISTIAN*
The Quran does not claim to be a new message, it claims to be a reaffirmation, and confirmation, of the scriptures that preceded it. So, it's not about what book came first, or who copied who, it's about presenting what is 'TRUE.' ... And the Quran claims to confirm what is true in the previous scriptures.
Watch my Islam playlist where we show they the Quran makes false claims.
The Quran claims to be a verbatim word of God (Allah). Muslims everywhere be like: Allah dictated those words to Muhammad via Jibril. So, When there's a parallel story or some weirdness or whatever, it's only natural for someone to question that claim.
@@ReasonandTheology it doesn’t.
@@abd-almasih4413 Quran consists of innumerous contradictions, repetitions, false claims, violent verses, incomprehensible and is written so haphazardly that even any children's story book will put the Quran in its place, let alone from a God of our Universe. It's a disgrace that Muslims are brainwashed since childhood by their parents and mullahs that they blindly keep parroting the verses and can't or won't study, research, understand and think for themselves.
Wanna debate this? The Bible makes way more false claims@@ReasonandTheology
THESE GUYSCWRE COMPLETE IGNORAMOUS. QURAN WAS MEMORIZED FROM THE BEGINNING . WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT ?
Christian Prince is a nightmare to Islam, the best Debater in Quran, hadiths and Islamic early sources...
I have listened to some of his videos and I find him very unimpressive. He tries to explain stuff in Arabic but his Arabic explanations make no sense, e.g. saying the word ال is derived from the Hebrew word for God (אלה). This is a phonetic fallacy, and no real Semiticist would make such an elementary mistake. This is just one of many mistakes he's made that make me think that he doesn't actually know what he's talking about.
@@luisdizon2486 Just call CP to explain your opinion!!! The origin proto-type of quran came from syro-aramaic...see Thomas Alexander Channel or prophet Murad...Al-lah, the moon god with 3 daughters, Al-lat, Al-usza and Manad? That's very impressive.
@@rensiusmnainggolan5210 The problem with the moon god theory is that it relies on the mere fact that the name "Allah" is used by Pagans before Islam. But that's a very weak argument. It's incidentally the same reasoning a lot of liberal Bible scholars use to argue that the ancient near eastern god "El" is the same as the God of the Bible, since He is also called "El." What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
Also, I don't know a single reputable scholar of Islam who endorses the moon god theory, and I would advise you to stay well away from that theory and not use it in discussions with Muslims.
As for the Syro-Aramaic theory, I advise you to watch the interview I did with Marijn Van Putten (who is a historical linguist specializing in Semitic languages) in this same channel, where we discussed that theory and he gives his reasons why it does not work.
@@luisdizon2486 I watched several experts in Islamic study, including Van Putin, but no one straight forward to the point, to the contents of the Quran, hadiths and early Islamic sources, except Christian Prince. Islam is a cult and Anti-Christ, denied the Father and the Son. Period.