What if the F1 2022 cars have a V10 Engine?
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Recently we ran a pole on the channel asking which #F1engine you thought was the best. Well over 22,000 of you voted and a huge 48% percent of you said you loved the #V10 the most. So we started to ask ourselves, what would happen if the current cars were allowed to use #V10engine? Just as a warning, this is going to get a little ridiculous.
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You forget to take out the weight of the MGU-K, MGU-H and the battery... or to add the power of this to the car.
And, 12,5% increase in weight is not 12,5%slower! (Maybe decelleration)
Without taking in account roll resistance and/or drag.
Ah, pub maths🤔😆
Yeah its nothing.. the car can only got 1000hp on one lap :)
@@josvercaemer264
There would be no 12.5% increase in weight. The cars back then weighed much less,they didn't have all the stupid and useless extra safety parts that add weight, especially the HALLO.
Second, a V10 with modern technology will produce way more HP than it did 20 years ago. I don't see any problem in squeezing 1500 HP out of it.
There’s no reason to not also have those though. As it adds a lot to the sport with deployment being tactical it would be sad to see it go.
@@josvercaemer264 on Schumacher era, Cars were 475kg with V8 700+hp. The V10-s were a bit less than 520kg with +800hp. How do I know that? I've been standing next to them when private owners were weighting then on scales.
If F1 ever becomes an obsolete sport. Their final years should be a do anything you want just be as fast as possible.
Drivers would be liquified in the cockpit before the 1st Lap
That would grab my attention. I've always wanted to see an unlimited class in f1. Guess that why I like hillclimb cars.
@@shifty1927 Pike's peak is great to watch
@@raysat7256 hell yea. Back in 08 i got to go there with my dads softball team. Of course my pops had to scare the team by drifting the shit out of our big Ford econoline rental in the dirt sections🤣
I'd estimate that half the grid would probably be dead after the first few races
The new engine doesn’t make 1000hp. It’s a collective of ICE and electric
Yeah, if you take the modern v6 alone by itself, it can only produce 850hp
Power unit
@@MrOiram46 700 HP
Also at 3:12 he says early 2000's F1 cars were larger than todays F1 cars (Incorrect. Modern F1 cars are fucking huge, hence the complaints of it being boring with the lack of overtaking, no fucker can get past lmao). This video is a great example of positions of authority holding more power than truth. "No-one this famous/important would get it wrong!" the man's lying to make V6-Eco F1 seem better than it actually is lol
The v10 engine was a good 100 lbs lighter than current set ups.... And the new cars are considerably bigger overall.
And as far as I have seen the new cars still consume more fuel even being smaller and with hybrid spec.
Good concept for a video but i just cant get behind your assumptions.
True
How on earth did the author come up with these assumptions:-)? The V10 engine was tiny (no turbo, no battery, no nothing) at 95kg in 2005 and the cars were over 1m shorter in total length. Fuel consumption was at roughly 180l per race. I guess a modern car using a V10 would also get to approx. 800kg with a completely different carbon foot print.
It would weigh even less, we'd get rid of all the extra useless carbon parts (which are for safety) and of that piece of shit HALO.
@@michaeltrumph121 as much as I want to see the V10 make a return, the FIA would never allow the safety features to be removed from the car, especially the halo. I completely respect this too as the halo alone has saved multiple lives in the past couple of years and the backlash that would be faced if there was a fatality because of the removed safety features would be massive.
@@bendobbing7015
Fuck the FIA, Formula 1 should detach it from FIA.
@@michaeltrumph121 So you want to watch people die instead of racing?
Cool!
@@verticalflyingb737
No, I want drivers to have the choice to choose whether they want to race with that garbage HALO or not.
An engine developed around the 1998 ruleset 30 years later could be smaller, lighter, more powerful, more reliable and more efficient.
Plus, you neither removed the weight of the hybrid system from the equasion nor considered the fuel saving from it. Also, without refueling, they would run a more efficient engine mode in the race to not use up as much fuel as they did back then (also increase reliability, assuming this part of the regulation stays up-to-date) and therefore need a smaller fuel tank.
Worst case is the cars need 150kg of fuel for a race distance but the engines are at least 100kg lighter (without hybrid) or 20kg heavier and use max. 120kg of fuel with hybrid.
You forgot to take in account that the modern engines do not make their peak power all the time since a big part of it is the electric motors.
We should have atleast one race with those old engines. That would be epic.
Classic race style.
They do something like that, check out BOSS GP
Just give them an N/A inline-5 cylinder with a powerful hybrid component. That should keep the weight and fuel consumption in check without losing overall system horsepower and it should sound very similar to a V10.
Nah not inline engines pls
5 cilinders won't Rev as high, and the spooled -up turbo's will muffle even that sound still.
Curious, with current technology, how crazy powerfull could we produce a NA V10
there's a reason 5 cylinder engines are very uncommon
Or an in-line 6. Check out the Honda CBX 1100
Audi has enterd the chat.
I saw the v10 in person the last year it was used, 2005. My first F1 race I attended. It was NUTS.
F1 should have kept V10 as standard engine.
I'm sorry but you made too many mistakes. Last v10 raced in 06 in redbull, next generation was 2.4 v8 not 2.8 v8, old v10 were well bellow 100kg today's engines with the hybrid systems are approaching 200kg that extra fuel is in different form of weight so today's cars are unnecessarily heavy for old v10. Also effectiveness of the engines made huge progress so assuming the development wasn't frozen in 05 today's v10 would need much less fuel to achieve same power. Sidepods were wider due to cooling not engine size and even though I agree that v10s would need more cooling it wouldn't be significant so the huge side pods wouldn't be an issue in my opinion.
I agree. But I believe Cooling is more of a factor now with air to air or to water intercoolers in addition to engine cooling . He compared the whole weight of the V10 but forgot to include the weight of the complete PU yet he compared power rating of the ICE vs the complete power of the Power unit in today’s cars.
@@350gtboi I don't think that today's engines require more cooling simply because they're much more efficient, that lost energy with N/A engines was mostly in form of heat therefore larger radiators had to disapate that energy. Today's engines cooling is running in much higher temperatures under much higher pressure so they require smaller radiators. In those 17 years engine cooling made huge progress but yes additional radiator in form of intercooler had to be added.
Agree! The Naturally Aspirated V8, V10, and the V12 were glorious sounding power plants. Can you imagine what the engineers and teams would come up with today!!
A V10 NA F1 engine with 19,000 rpm redline and more modern technology could crack 1100 hp
They did, look at the Aston Martin Valkyrie, that's what a modern N/A F1 would be like today
V10’s we’re the best for me
Why would a V10 need so much more fuel? Fuel consumption is the function of power output, not engine size. Small engine is only fuel efficient if it is running at fractional power, like a regular car. F1 engine runs at peak power all the time.
Maybe it is not as efficient, but it means we need 10% more fuel, not 100% more. That’s ridiculous.
The current V6 hybrid is the heaviest engine in history. Because of the complex and heavy hybrid system.
The V8 engine was a mere 95KG. While the V10 is likely to be under 120KG.
Even with a bigger fuel tank. The car will be much faster under low fuel.
Not to mention they don’t need so much cooling because it is NA. Turbo engine always demand bigger radiators. So the V10 could easily have a much smaller side pods.
I would actually put a turbo on it :)))
The lightest V10s were barely above 90Kg. ;)
@@darkclaudiu121 hell no, a turbo would ruin the v10 for sure, the good thing about it was that jt was NA so i had to rev high to be powerful and thus the sound we got from them. Also a turbo muffles the sound kf the engine somewhat
@@sidewalkere nope, the 2005 bmw engine the p85 weighted only 82 kg and the 2002 p82 weighted 86 kg
Man your maths hurt me sorry. Top speed is nothing to do with how much you weigh. It only affects how fast you can reach that top speed. Top speed is mainly dictated by your aerodynamic drag and power. So your logic of weighing %12 more means going %12 slower is wrong. But that means if you can reach 200kph in 5 seconds with 900kg, you would reach that in more than 5 seconds with 1000kg with the same engine power. Hope I helped with future video pub maths :)
Thx, i'm not the only one. Then again, pub maths 🤔
Your figures don't sense. Those cars were lighter and shorter, so why would today's car with a 2005 V10 be bigger and heavier. Those engines were lighter than today's PSU.
guys, the 412 t2 of 1995 had a v12 that revved up to 17.6 k. it sounded like a mesmorizing song.
I sure if they built a V10 today, would be well above 1500 hp, naturally aspirated
The modern V6s by its self do not produce 1000 bhp. I believe it's around the 500-600 mark and the added batteries and such make up the rest
Then they would sound incredibly asmr…. The V10 era was by far the best if it’s going to be down to the engine… what a violent noise came out of those beauty’s, but writing of multiple engines in one weekend was insane so I understand the path they took
I think they should bring back V10's because todays cars only get 2-3 mpg more than the V10's did. V10 got 3-4mpg, V6's get 4-6mpg. I'm more than sure today they could make a more reliable, and more fuel efficient V10 than they did 25 years ago. 2-3mpg more? Kinda not really any better.
Yes , I was lucky enough to hear the V10 powered F1 Racers up close on Racing Circuit back in the 2005 season! The loudest were the TOYOTA F1 & the Mercedes V10 powered McLaren Racers! 🙏
As Alonso and Lewis said the (v10) cars Moore extreme and also lh reaction when Alonso was driving his old car think it was last year. All the mumbu jumbo h k ers drs blabla makes the car huge and bulky. Never ending argument but the fact is v10 is legend today’s cars fast big and bulky
You can solve some of the challenges by simply bringing back refueling, and all the strategies that came with it.
1.6l v6 doesn't produce 1000bhp. with the electrical boost yes.
Just bring back the old rules 1.5 turbo or 3 litre n/a whatever config you want
Surely after 20 years of development, the V10 would be light smaller and more compact, and pumping out more BHP.
If they ever did bring back the V10 it will be a hybrid engine which means it wouldn't need that much fuel like u said.
still more than a V6
Should be bring back high revving engines v8/10/12 regardless they sound like demons unleashed from hell >15k revs.
No driver aids, aerodynamica grip and 1500 Hp, why not
V10 ENGINE IS THE SOUL OF F1
Be a lot cooler if they did
jusr turbocharge sportbike engines and use 400KW hybrid power. Great noise and loa emissions :)
The engine is lighter.
V6 weight 145kg
V10 weight 95kg
If you went by minimum Base weight 798kg
With additional fuel
110kg
908kg for modern V6
F1 fuel weighs 0.75kg per litre
A V10 will use about 160-180kg of fuel.
So weight will be 958-978kg.
However, if you allow the car to be at natural weight with engines swapped
The car will actually weigh 748kg
908-928kg with fuel.
When you make the statement that the current 1.6 l V6 produces about a thousand horsepower, I think you're referring to the total horsepower the car makes, not the % of power that the gasoline part of the power unit makes. The gasoline unit on its own I think makes about 850 hp with turbocharging. This is a more comparable number to the V10's and in fact is not that much different.
V10 became mandatory in 1996, not 2000
Sooo many mistakes. Beside the heavy hybrid system will be gone and so the cars wouldn't be heavier at all and also more weight barely affects the top speed.
Right. Weight affects acceleration (in any direction) ask Bugatti.
Lighter smaller cars would make racing so much better.
@@TheBlackopsbeast360 I was talking about top speed, not acceleration.
*Imagine that sound in the last #MonacoGP tunnel.. 🥹
anyone choosing less than a v10 should be burned at the stake.
Are we talking about 1.6L V10? That would be fun:D
"while it might have a bigger backend than Kim Kardashian"
Doubtful
Omg one of the best YT channels
to be serious i would just take away the electric part because it makes car greener but not by much
i am one off many people on planet that stop watch F1 when they put that V6 coffee grinder inside..when i heard that "scream" off that disaster engine i just give up.
Why not just change the 1.6 Litre to a 4 litre V6 turbo change the rev limit to 19000rpm again no restriction on Turbo boost make the cars Twin charged Turbo + Super Charger or a turbo for Every Cylinder use of race fuel double the Octane level the Noise came from how fast the engines were Screaming
Revert back to V10 cars, no need to swap engines or add higher capacity fuel cells
they just need to receate the sound...
there motorbikes that have that sound with 6 cylinders....
CBX 1100 for esample....
It would be better for everyone, but I think newer generations of fan does not even care since they did not live those seasons.
I think your napkin math is wrong
12.1% of 323.3 kph = 39,1193 Kph
So the topspeed of the 2022 car with a V10 would be 323.3 - 39,1193 = 284,1807 Kph
And not 208.009 Kph
Please correct me if i’m wrong
What if it snows?
Well V10 engines are much more lighter than V6 since they're not hybrids, and also V6 engines can't go to 1k Hp if it didn't have Hybrid and Turbo so V10 is stil a lot more powerful than V6.
Everyone needs to organise a petition for the FIA we need the sound back
Been saying for a while the 2026 regs should be v10s.
V10 will never come back
V10 have basically disappeared from automotive... the only V10 left are the audi/lamborghini one and some still used in some pick-up maybe... V10 is a mess of an engine since it's an unbalanced design
@@giovannibalsamo6178 It's basically 2 i5s together, which you know the reason already.
@@minecraftveteran7410 if we talk about road 72degrees V10 I would agree, but f1 V10 of early '00 used more extreme angles.
We have to demand v-10s and models at the paddock *MF1GA*
Huh??? If Perez was going 323 kmph and he was 12% slower he would be going 208kmph??? Your maths is a little off there
I'm not a v10 fan
The v10s weighed about 95 kg
Current V6s weighs 145 kg
That would do a weight decrease
V10 engines were light because had to last just one race or a single qualifying session... despite lower displacement, even V8 2.4L were heavier than V10 since they had to last for more races.
@@giovannibalsamo6178
In their last season the V10s already had to do 2 races. Still kept getting lighter and more powerful.
V8s were heavier because the rules said so. Minimum weights are specified so that the teams don't blow stupid amounts of money just getting the engines lighter. That remains true to this day, the 145Kg of the current PUs are a mandated minimum.
@@sidewalkere v8 were made heavier because had to last more races, so they were made with more robust parts. Not to mention that V8 were frozen after the very first season, so no reasons for manufacturers to invest on.
@@giovannibalsamo6178 Right, they were frozen for 2007. Per the RULES. The same rules that specified a minimum weight. To cut costs.
@@sidewalkere I just explained why v8 engines were heavier than v10 despite being smaller and less powerful.
F1 is evolving to formula E
The FIA kill the v10 engine nearly kill Formula 1
Not realy as the car lose the MGU-K, MGU-H and Battery makes them lighter again. Also they only produce around 1000hp peak over its lower. So in qualyfing the car is lighter and over the races has more powery
I dont watch F1 anymore because I miss the V10 sound. Cant they use smaller capacity V10's?
3.0L was mandated in 1995.. not 2000.
Sound like turbo hybrid era boy here
The v10 engine doesnt need all the hybrid power to make it fast, so you can get rid of it to get less weight. And the think the v10 engine need from the current f1 car is the slick tire, drs and the aero. Other than that you can keep it
Oh yeah the current v6 engine can even go over 300 kph without the hybrid power, while the v10 can reach 360 kph without drs without slipstream
First of all, the car is going to be definitely shorter by 40cm
Wtf is that vidéo there is so many mistakes. Maybe the v10 was huge in those car but they were so tiny compare to now. The battery and electric weight is monstruous now.
What if 2022 F1 cars HAVE v10 engines? They don't. Problem solved. Oh, you mean, "what if 2022 f1 cars HAD v10 engines"
Unpopular opinion, but I prefer the late 80's turbo v6's
V10 > V12 because newer, a 19krpm V12 would sound better
The V10 was the only reason for me to go to the Circuit... Now its just like watching Vaccum Cleaners pass by
Oh man. Had a good laugh. Thank you
V10 perfect
When the battery dies modern v6 is nothing
Just go back to v8 instead of going double back to 10
TWO POINT FOUR NOT POINT EIGHT!
V10 power
5.2l v10
Lol 12.1% more weight doesn't mean you will be 12.1% slower
it is not how the "power to weight ratio" works.
What if F1 had Boxer, Wankle, Or Pendular?
Wankle would be dope lol
But it will never happen again sadly :(
V10 all day, every day !!
The V10 is Formula 1
It like loosing the best woman or job you ever had
What crap ! After over 15 years The V 10 s were faster then todays cars , sounded divine and were lighter…where is the progress with todays F1 !
Who cares how 20 F1 cars affect the environment, do they now genetically engineer race horses to have less impact on the environment?
With todays technology we could build an incredible V10 F1 car at 700 kilo with all liquids and driver …with refueling during pitstops.
So no modern more powerful re-imagined v10 for your ( What if the F1 2022 cars have a V10 Engine?)
I don’t care about top speed or how quick the lap times are. Give me the damn V10 and the sound ! F1 nowadays is like Sex with 2 condoms. Fucking emotionless.
it's stupid to ban v10 because of safety or the environment, F1 sport is extremly small that it will not make a dent positively or negatively in any environmental issue, as for safety there is always accident no matter the restriction of power is. for god's sake stop ruining every last drop of happiness we ha've left in this damn era of human chaos civilization
2.8L V8?????
For yesterday please
The drs didnt exist at the Time so the top speed is irrevelant. Pls next Time put a décent work before uploading
There are so many logic holes in this video but I'll allow since ur not an engineer
This video is full of assumptions.
The old V10 was a lighter engine, the whole car was smaller because with the NA V10 we did not need turbos, bigger engine cooler, or intercoolers.
We have batteries now, KERS devices that incurs even more weight, the whole car is soooo much bigger now and has not gone faster.
With all this extra weight, now we need bigger tyres, that now need bigger wheels, we have unsprung mass problem increasing now. We needed all of this areo in the modern day, all to overcome mass, we have lost our way IMO from lightweight F1 cars and chasing our tails. Number 1 thing in all racing is mass, less mass the better and no other mod can overcome this.
With older V10's with the modern tyre, they would smash current F1's, Ferrari has just released data on this. Yes fuel efficiency is much better now than ever, but...........
Ik he said don’t @ him, but you got a bunch of shit wrong in this video
Who the hell made this video, this is absolutely stupid, if we swapped only the engines and kept mgu-k mgu-h and the battery the car would most like have more than 1500 bhp, that is what we want as true F1 fans
Any engine is better than the shite they have now.and the V8s were 2.4 not 2.8
With todays engineering, I’d bet an NA non hybrid V10 could produce over 1000hp with the same or better reliability with added simplicity.
If Indycar can do refueling, F1 can….
We need a new concept. F1 is boring.. Too many rules! Just make a new formula and call it Formula Extreme, you can use whatever engine you want without any limits, no budget cap, no stupid penalityes about changing parts. it never gonna happen but, for sure it would be awesome.
Yes yes yes
i wish for the day to come when the world would stop this climate/enviroment sillines, especially in motorsports. U cant make F1 carbon neutral when they use massive planes and ships to haul their "ecofrendly sustainable" cars. if we continue to give in to enviromentalists, f1 goal in 20 years would be to dissapear. And going electric is still not viable and not as economic as they thought it would be. I cant wait for that day to come when people would wake up to reality and hold to the origins of the sport
why not inceasing the rev limit of the v6 if y'all want a high pitch sound?
because the only reason i always hear is "haha V10 goes fiiiiuuuum!"
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aspirated V10 engines lack of torque for >800kg heavy nowadays f1, those engines were ok for light 600-640kg cars as were f1 of early '00s. Not to mention that a close to 20K rpm NA engine will never be as efficient as turbo engine with variable turbo pressure. Those kind of engines are just an echoo from a distant past.
Torque at the crank is irrelevant, that's what gearboxes are for.
@@sidewalkere sure... good luck for a so low torque engine to move a nowadays f1 that is >900kg at the beginning of the race... but yeah, they could be using a 10speeds gearbox with first three or four speeds extra short to compensate, but then would be required >300L to finish the race, making the car in the meantime even heavier... as you can see, a V10 powering nowadays f1 cars is a no sense.
@@giovannibalsamo6178 Ever heard of clutches?
If you think 400Nm would not be enough to launch a 900Kg car... Not much point in trying to convince you otherwise.
Just wanna be "right", right?
BTW, you unnecessary 10 gears would make the cars more efficient, not less.
@@sidewalkere 400Nm can move a 900kg car, but are not enough to push the car to reach f1-tier performances on acceleration and speed... there is a reason if nowadays engines are on 2.5-3bar boost levels all the time... but yeah... compared to a random YT sidewalkere user... what do f1 engineers know about? lol
I don't want to be right, it's you who are just wrong... as you're wrong twice about this: I wrote that a 10speeds gearbox would need extra short ratios to compensate lack of torque, this would not be more efficient at all.
@@giovannibalsamo6178 they are on boost because that's a turbocharged formula. What does that have to do with anything?
And did you know that they could be on 5 or 10 bar boost and still wouldn't make any more power? Know why?
I'm no F1 engineer, but I am an engineer. And all I've said so far is somewhat basic stuff, really don't need any degree to understand, if you put a bit of time in reading about the relation between power and torque.
How boring
Unpopular opinion: personally, I'm not a fan of the v10 sound. It sounds like a harsh scream. The new v6 just sounds more refined to me.
So for you tractors sound better than supercars? 🤡
Sorry, forgot I'm not allowed to have an opinion in 2022