Why France Banned The iPhone 12
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- čas přidán 21. 09. 2023
- France recently announced that they would ban sales of The Apple iPhone 12 after it failed a safety test. So what exactly is wrong with the phone? And should people around the world continue using it?
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I’m French and everybody is talking about that right now. It’s not that big of a deal but the amount of misinformation spreading about it is crazy 💀 my sister said that she heard we could get it replaced with a newer model by going to apple but that’s clearly not true lol
@@TheErrorInBlack mais oui grave 💀
haha. apple don’t even give a mandatory charging cable. giving latest phone is obviously not true.
@@TheErrorInBlackde ouf ptn💀💀
Maybe your sister isn’t wrong…. Maybe there’s hope….
@@PrantikNathbro don’t be so negative 💀
Apple has 2 weeks to introduce an update. As a french possessing an iPhone 12, Thank you for giving the correct information to strangers rather than doing shorts insulting one or the other party of the problem. Great video!
@TheErrorInBlack Je suis d’accord.
Le gouvernement lui-même n’a pas réagi correctement. Avant même d’engager la discussion avec Apple, ils ont fait part de la possibilité de rappeler les iPhones 12. Pratique pour semer le chaos.
I use iPhone 12 too and my battery is not that great , how long does your phones battery last
@@kimjong-un5570 Personally I have a 12 mini so it’s very bad in terms of battery life
Wdym brother are they gonna give an update now?
It’s interesting that not many people are asking why this is being discussed almost three years after product launch. Did EU not certify all electronic devices before approving for sell in EU?
My thoughts exactly. How could they be sold if they did not go through certification that checks for these issues?
I think the problem came with an update but I'm not sure
@@omega3678 it’s an interesting comment. Assuming it was caused by the software update, that means it can be fixed by another update. Then there is no need for all the fuss.
@@ClaraJaeYay definitely need to add this to the check list
@@omega3678if you would have watched the video you would know that that is exactly what is happening
as an iPhone 12 owner, it damn well can burn you, if I play rec room for more than 2 minutes it gets hotter than the fucking sun
Ok true💀
Fr, its my first iPhone, thought it was a general iPhone problem. Maybe I need a new one...
it also gets so hot when charging with 15W
Mines never hot
mine is quite hot rn, it gets very hot when i’m charging aswell
At this point Europe is the biggest nightmare for Apple. First USB C, now this. 💀💀
But Apple keeps turning it into sales. What are the biggest reasons to upgrade to the iPhone 15? "It has USB C" and "emits less radiation". Apple doesn't even have to change anything about their phone in any meaningful way, Europe is basically marketing for them. You know I'm starting to think the people that run Europe have stock in Apple.
How is getting compliant with regulations after having been found not to be a marketing argument when the competitors' already are compliant.
But now it’s only in France and easier replaceable batteries are also coming for Apple and Samsung, that’s gonna be a huge issue for all manufacturers because they like using their glue on the batteries
@@TheRythimMan they made loss of switching to usb c otherwise they would’ve never switched because now they can’t charge companies for producing a proprietary cable and also they never advertised this „less radiation“ since it was only a problem with the iPhone 12, they fixed it with the iPhone 13 already
@@TheRythimMan "The people than run Europe" LMAO
You’re more likely to notice your iPhone feeling hot in your hand from the heat given off by the CPU than any warming happing from EM radiation…
3 years into owning my 12 mini, it will get so hot I can’t hold it 😂😭. I should’ve listened to the tech bros when they warned about the battery
@@ImThatGuy00wait you mean it’s gotten hotter year by year ? Or it was alre hot from the beginning
Replace the battery or get a 13 mini, as it has much better battery life
@@arm8636 phones are getting more efficient by the years so you'd hope they get less hot.. anyway just slap a case on and it'll get less hot
@@arm8636 I've been using a 12 mini since early 21 and it's never heated until very recently (seems to have happened after an ios 16 update a month ago). And it only heats up sometimes while playing videos on a very particular app.
my mom told me about this whole situation while i was watching mrwhosetheboss comparing the 15 pro max and s23 ultra and i was never this confused. i thought she just read another fake facebook post but after researching i found other proof but still didnt believe it. i am a fan of this channel since you explain everything very easily and is one of the most reliable sources to trust. love ur content man keep it up.
Every country has regulations about radiation exposure but this is not a health concern but instead it comes from regulations that forbid non authorized people to emit electromagnetic waves with more than a specified limit. Like you also are not allowed to boost a wifi signal beyond a specific amount of wattage
@@lordhelmchen100 thanks that was some useful info there.
To add to what was said, all signals used are considered nonionizing radiation, so it’s not dangerous, won’t cause cancer, won’t hurt you in any way/shape/form, and it won’t heat you up from the inside as some people actually think. The heat mentioned is all from the chipset and the phone gets hot from heat dissipation. That’s it. Same thing happens to your computer, tablet, modern TV, etc. If you notice your phone getting hot form heavy use, the screen will dim to try and use less power to cool itself down. At that point, either shut your phone off, stop using the app that’s making it hot, or put it in front of a fan.
@@danielschmaderer phones could technically heat you up inside, but the amount is really miniscule. Probably the only way to have negative effects is when you infront if a 3000 watt antenna that is also focused on a small point on your body
@@soacespacestation8556 but it won’t damage your cells. It also depends on the frequency. A microwave, for example uses a frequency of 2.45 gigahertz because that’s the exact frequency that makes water molecules vibrate fast to the point of boiling and heating up food. Any other frequencies would render it useless. But, as you mentioned, microwave ovens also are at wattages as low as 700 watts and only go up from there, which can impact how quickly it can heat up.
Regardless, it’s all still nonionizing, so it can’t hurt you on a molecular level. The battery itself has a higher chance of hurting you if it’s poorly constructed.
I remember seeing this on the news a week ago. In the same report they said "it dangerously doubles the amount of radiation numbers imposed by France" and "but there's no evidence of it causing any real harm".
thank you for making consice and informative videos. it goes a long way
The other problem with electromagnetic radiation is that it can interfere with TV, radio and communications signals.
France is gonna ban flashlights and light bulbs with this kind of regulations.
Standing outside in the sun for literally seconds is considerably more dangerous than your phone could even theoretically be. The amount of complete misunderstanding of how the electromagnetic spectrum works by even mainstream publications is quite worrisome.
Exactly. Basic knowledge of the electromagnetic spectrum is key to understanding how ridiculous this is.
I high wattage lightbulbs can give you heat stroke if you’re close to it from the heat radiating out of it. Not gonna hold my breath for the ban of lightbulbs ever.
@@quantuminfinity4260what’s sad is that it only takes basic knowledge to understand that this is all ridiculous, yet no one seems to understand it at all, which adds to the problem and worrisome of the public’s basic general knowledge. I’m not the smartest person by any means, but when I’m worrying about someone’s basic knowledge, then there’s a problem. The comments prove the need to worry and why I usually engage in conversation about this.
@@danielschmaderer I agree with this worry, I try some times. But some times it feels like an impossible battle when almost every single comment on some news videos covering it are like "Apple can adjust the radiation some ones phone puts out with an update?! This is very concerning!" I really do enjoy helping people understand things when they are unsure or misunderstand. But I feel badly because I literally can not take the time to address even a fraction of them.
@@quantuminfinity4260 I do agree. I try too, but only so many people will understand.
1:48 I wonder how many people using iPhone, clicked their screen not realizing that that pop-up message for an update installation was a part of the video and not a part of their iPhone
Haha, they almost got me, until I thought, wait a second… 😂
Couldnt get me because it was full screen 😂
I was really really close to almost doing that…. They have us trained well 💀
Cant get me, i am watching on a ipad, dangerously close though
Almost had me for a minute and I'm using Android.
Well we all know that iPhone 12 is one of the few iPhone that have the issues like battery life, cosmetic issues and this one
Also, the frequencies of the electromagnetic signals the iPhone 12 is designed to be capable of receiving are several orders of magnitude lower than the PHz+ range of UVA and above. In an alternate history of the iPhone, in addition to being much easier for the end user to fix themselves, _all_ iPhone devices are also designed to be capable of receiving electromagnetic signals that are several orders of magnitude lower in frequency still than the GHz range of the 4G LTE/5G cellular and Wi-Fi networks they are able to connect to. Of course, these signals are at 64-108 and 162-163 MHz and correspond to FM and NOAA weather radio.
😂
The solution for overheating phone is by putting a case into it which the case would insulate some amount of heat. Depenting on what type of case you are putting it on👍
Sure, your hands won't feel as hot until the heat trapped by the case actually does damage to both the phone and your hands lmao
Phones get hotter with a case on. The only heat exchange that can happen is with some of the phone’s frame or back being exposed to air. Contain it in a case and temperatures will be much higher.
It’s actually the same issue you end up with when putting a hardshell case on a macbook
Well radio waves can easily pass through thick walls.
🙄
I wonder how bad the cellular performance degraded after the update was issued?
What iOS affects this issue? I still use the 12 mini as my daily driver and it’s on iOS 16.0.
I have the iPhone 12 and I am not going to upgrade it until iPhone 16 or 17. It works great and it is a perfect phone for my usage. It can get a bit warm sometimes but I am sure it has nothing to do with the radiation.
Sometimes The Warmness Can Have Something To Do With The Radiation
14 to 16 pro ?
I would normally update my phone every year to the newest iOS but I rlly do not know now since I have an iPhone 12 will it crash my phone..?
Probably gonna stick to iOS 16
It’s non ionizing radiation, so there’s nothing to worry about. It’s better to wait as you are. I have a 12 pro and I’m happy with it.
@@danielschmaderer should I upgrade it to iOS 17 idk
Not an expert or anything but this is probably due to the iPhone 12 having a strong 5G capable modem along with the fact that it is actually thinner than the iPhone 11 and the iPhones 13-15.
Some people freak out over 5G, not realizing how safe it actually is. Too many conspiracy theorists adding fuel to the fire of something that doesn’t need to be worried about and the French government is falling for it.
I've loved my iPhone 12 for the past years since release but these new updates seem to heat up my phone worse overtime. Nowadays I am being burnt by my own personal assistant over its own rages. My iPhone just be throwing fit even when it's off.
Are the 12 Pro series also included, or is it just the regular 12?
Every.. single.. iPhone.. before.. 14..
I have an iPhone 12 Mini. I don't know if it has this issue, but it's not gotten hot during the two and a half years that I've owned it.
I am an iphone 12 mini user in Africa. I noticed that the iphone 12 mini frequently heats up and once that happens, the phone will disable its functions and enter sos mode until the phone's temperature cools down. I often would rap a wet towel around the phone to help reduce the high temperature of the phone and stop it from entering the sos mode.
Dude ur literally in desert and jungles lol any phone will heat up!
iPhone 12 user in India
@@shashank8950😮 racist
@@shashank8950Didn’t know people this dumb still existed
İ think rather than blaming the phone for overheating,you should blame the climate for overheating,because you are in Africa
I went to France in May, my first every holiday abroad, and I have an iPhone 12 mini... good timing 😆
Holy macaroni, the amount of comments about the heat of the SOC/phone, really makes me doubt humanity. 😵💫
I’m in the US. I had so many issues with my iPhone 12 getting extremely hot, like, burning the skin hot. I brought it to the Apple Store and tried to demonstrate, and when the employee felt it she basically called me a wuss by saying heat is “subjective”. Like… what??? No honey I don’t think my phone should be this hot just from charging normally… but ok
why the fuck would you buy an iphone anyways
@@BobBark you should be able to charge your phone normally and not get burned when you touch it. You should also be able to charge your phone normally without it overheating in a normal environment. This was not the case with iPhone 12, which would regularly pause charging or completely stop working because it was too hot. The Apple Store employee just wasn’t buying it.
@@BobBark In my experience as well.
@@BobBark yes, that is the issue at hand.
@@QBQ98 I don’t understand why you are being contrarian in this discussion; I stated my experience and I have a pretty firm grasp on reality in this situation, because it happened, and this video is backing up what I experienced. So, what are you trying to say exactly?
Had me sweating for a bit till I watched the video 😂
Since i bought the iphone 12 two years ago i have turn off 5g to conserve battery and because i live a rural area where the 5g speed is not a chaging factor with the task i do in my phone. My IPhone 12 is still at 90% with avg 7 hours of usage. im still debating if i should upgrade but is more of i want to than i need too, but still i think ima stay with my phone another year or if there a good deal with my carrier.
Hi, can you do an episode how updating a softwRe could change a hardwares SAR?
Does this apply to ALL iphone 12 models? What about the 12 mini, pro and pro max?
It applies to all, but all the phones are perfectly safe. Don’t worry about it. It’s just being blown out of proportion.
all iphone 12 models will affect you?
Hold on, is this for all iPhone 12s, like the 12 mini, pro and pro max or JUST the iPhone 12??
They probably didn’t test them all
Literally watch the video. It doesn’t even matter
So can you keep your iPhone 12 just let it cool off when it starts heating up?
So it’s been out for over 3 years and they want to test it now?
I just realized that I had an iphone 12 haha. I think the update was the newly relased ios 17.0.3 which is supposed to fix overheating of iphones and probably fixed the SAR as well
are other iphone 12 variants also affected?
It hasn't been discontinued already?
Let’s all take a moment to appreciate this soothing theme sound in the background all the time.
does this include any of the pros and mini
Is it the Standard iPhone 12 or all iPhone 12 Models?
Thanks 😊
Too bad, that's the only cloth iron I have, and it just got cold by an update....
Dagnammit
Note: Is it only on the iPhone 12 or all versions of the iPhone 12 min &pro&pro max?
I have an iPhone 12 Mini and hope this update France wants doesn’t inhibit my phone’s capabilities.
Another reason why I upgraded from the 12 pro max. That’s what I tell myself 😂
the real reason is because you want the things you don’t need when everything works perfectly fine
Is the 12 Pro series also included, or is it just the regular 12?
@@XeZrunnerit’s not dangerous. It’s radio waves. Watch the video before panicking
@@cjjk9142 No panicking is happening. I don't own an iPhone 12 either.
I am merely curious, from a technical perspective, whether all 12 series models have this issue, or just the base model.
So far, I have only seen the base 12 model mentioned.
Wondering if I could get a note from my doctor telling my wife I need to upgrade to 15 Pro Max due to safety :)
Please make a video about why Apple slowly remove all Gold finished in all products. I'm kinda wondering
Is this thing also for Pro models ?
this may be unrelated, however, as someone with absolutely no family history of cancer of any kind, i developed and was diagnosed with cancer when i owned an iphone 12. MAYBE it’s just a coincidence, anything can happen, but this video got me thinking
France is enforcing his policy no matter what, they are doing a good job.
Same for 12 mini?
Is it just 12 or all 12 models?
Won't this update impact signal strength and speeds?
Yes
Yes, because they have a hardware issue that's existed for the last three years- and they want to take the easy way out.
I just bought an iphone 12 its so cold in our country so yeah gotta warm up my hands a lil bit
Just do little bit search. You showed short term issue but there are long term health issue if you use phone
Its impossible to have the radios heat up your skin, its simply too weak and unlike a microwave isn’t specifically designed to heat up something
They already discontinued the iPhone 12 in the US, so…
So other models is ok?
It's not like there are any new iPhone 12 models on the shelf in France anyways, right??
how come a safety test happens 3 years after release?
My iPhone 11 gets hot when I do something extra performance taxing, and yet they haven’t banned that one in France.
Big difference between soc heat and antenna radio wave heat
Why would they ban a now 3 year old phone?
*Me literally watching this video on my iPhone 12 rn ☢️:*
I've had a 12 for over a year. Never noticed a problem.
A year isn’t long
Yes, and this has been a pre-existing issue for the last 3 years, where they have been 'only' 1/3rd of the way to causing burns on skin, and halfway to causing damage to the eyes from extended exposure.
Well there's a limit for a reason..
i have a iPhone 12, does i need to change my phone? pls suggest me,
I called apple (store) when I discovered and they literally said nah thats just France that makes very weird tests... I was like okay but its still over the legal limit?!
only the legal limit in france tho
You do know that each country has their own legal limits?
…in France.
Don’t worry about it. It’s perfectly safe and nothing to lose sleep over at all. I’m using a 12 pro and not worried about it one bit.
dude, legal limit in france
France is a bullshit country, so theres nothing to worry about
It's cause the croissant emoji looked goofy
They took it personal😅
Ehh I was planning to upgrade my iPhone 12 Pro to an iPhone 13 pro , but I will stick to my iPhone 12 Pro for a while sometimes it does heat up I got it like 2 years ago 😅
Does this include 12Pro etc?
What what presumably relevant is, how many other iPhone 12s were among the 139 that did NOT exceed this legal limit?
0, interestingly- the number of iPhone 12s that were tested in previous years- was also 0.
If i am going to france next week amd i have am iphone 12 what they will do?
Why this is appended in mid 2023?
When iPhone 12 was launched in 2020 it wasn’t any issue related to this… 🤔
I have an iPhone SE 2016 and I think that sometimes when on charge or when on a App that demands lots of power of battery, the phone burns the hands!
Way that the France authorities don’t see any problem with the iPhone SE?
Maybe because is classified by Apple “vintage”? 🤔
it happened in 2023, because france test a few hundred phones at random each year- and ironically enough, included 0 iphone 12s in previous years- instead accepting Apple's documentation on how high its SAR was.
as to "how the difference happened"- Apple tests, in such a way that it assumes you don't have anything in contact with your Iphone, France tests phones assuming you have them in your hand or pocket... in both cases, it came up at near twice their legal limit.
Is it just for the 12 or also 12 Mini 12 Pro And 12 pro max ?
Every model
Im on 12Pro and dont plan on changing phone soon, so I hope the update comes soon😢
The update is going to make it WORST
@@FoxLadyQueen what do you mean?
@@hennibsdp9528 every software update is just an excuse for apple to download software into your phone that slows it down. Especially since the iPhone 15 releases making the devices worst
Yeah my iphone 12 heats up immensely with my usbc 20W cable and port. Thats the only time i seen it heat up so much along with games and random times which i assume it is uploading things to my cloud (?)
Fun fact: iphone 12 does not have a usb c port, only a lightning if you didnt mod it
Does the iPhone 12 Pro and Pro Max effect too?
No only normal
Watching this on my new iPhone 12 in France……ironic
Who’s watching on a iPhone 12?
Omgg me 😂😂😂
Just iphone 12 or all iphone 12 models ? I have Iphone 12 mini is this count ?
It isn’t only iPhone 12, but yes all models!
Is it just iPhone 12 or is it also iPhone 12 Pro and pro max?
If you're worried about it then get rid if not keep it.
I guess when I am a cold I can use my phone as a heater lol
I do quite agree with this, I once owned an IPhone 12 mini, there are moments that my phone heats up than normal to the point that it really is concerning that I have to stop playing and cool the phone for a while, to think that Iphone 12 carries a powerful chipset. I used to own an XR and now downgraded to the 2020 Iphone SE, They don't heat up that much. This is concerning.
This is the most stupid comment.
It’s not about a hot SOC/Phone.
The SAR is about the antenna signal radiation, that slightly heats YOUR body’s tissue. 🤦♂️
@@fr3ddyfr3shStill was concerningly hot even if not to do with antenna
@@SK-lo6drit’s hot due to the heat dissipation of the chipset. The same thing happens to a computer or tablet. The difference is that most computers have fans and heat syncs. The phone is in your hand, so of course it’s going to get hot if you do some heavy work on your phone.
@@danielschmadereryeah, plus the last thing you dont want to not feel is the heat from your phone when playing intensive stuff, like that means the heat isn’t getting outside and is being trapped or the chipset is just really effecient
@@soacespacestation8556 the heat dissipation can definitely be uncomfortable when not using a case during heavy usage. I’ve had that happen when I was doing some photo editing on the go once. It’s apparent because the screen starts to dim.
So just to clarify, it is just iPhone 12 and not the iPhone 12 Pro right??
all Iphone 12s.
I was going to trade in my 12 pro max to 15 pro max today but this video came.
I’ll do the update after winter
So... once Apple releases an update to fix the SAR, does France get to sue Apple again for releasing a software update that makes their phones worse again?
good that this is only for 12 and not 12 mini
I don't understand EU regulations sometimes. The heat produced by microwave will be nothing compared to and will definitely be surpassed by the heat produced by the CPU and display under normal usage.
Do you hold an active microwave everyday in your pocket and carry it with you to bed?
@@BobBark Are you an Apple executive by any chance?
Does this radiation effect in iPhone 12 Pro
Even bad news is used as a advertisement.
Watching this on an iPhone 12 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Not me watching this with one😂
Not me watching this on my iPhone 12 😂
Because of 5.74 watts/kilogramms. France fixed that's does have 4 w/kg (2 w/kg for head and members)
Sorry for english i am french.
As a french Samsung user, 'I see this as an absolute win'
Why samsung has higher values?
France never took science class seriously, bc RF radiation is not ionizing radiation. Clowns going to start selling 200 euros paints to block “wifi” lol
@iphone8fan1a basic understanding of the electromagnetic spectrum and a general knowledge of physics shows it’s perfectly safe at the power levels used.
@iphone8fan1 strong username to post related content. Also, your phone isn't Chernobyl. IDK wtf France version of "FDA" is smoking, but it must be strong
Just put a case on it and make it a cooling case
I need the background song
I honestly love France for having such a power to control the radiation and battery decreasing in Technology companies… they should keep up the work!
its frances fault lmao
Even if this is a joke, I agree. I think a bit of pushback can keep Apple’s products in check, such as the “user replaceable battery”. I think many of these can bring good to Apple customers, although some may not.
@@ChristianSchu it’s not a joke! They definitely need some pushback to stay conscious.