Why I Stopped Doing Group Rides
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- From group ride enthusiast to solo cyclist, discover why I decided to leave it all behind.
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I almost always ride solo. I am that guy that says "I think I will ride 50 miles today" and then makes a 35 mile route. Then as I go along, I go down some of the side roads to see where they go, sometimes to an intersection, other times to a dead end. Then turn around and go back. This tends to drive other people crazy since they don't know where we are going, and what bike to bring. Because I will ride my gravel bike on just about anything, paved road, gravel roads, trails, fields, it doesn't matter to me. If I have to get off an push occasionally, even that's fine.
Exactly this 👏
YES!
thats why no one wants to ride with me any longer
too many shortcuts faild, too many new roads fails etc
ADD and I love it! Adventures unknown!
Solo rider. I cycle to get away from people and not have to talk
🤣 I can relate to this so much.
Same
I agree wholeheartedly
One of the reasons I commute by bike is because I can literally have it with me all the time if I want, so if someone I don't want to talk to tries to approach me, I jump on the bike and sprint away.
@@Rose_Butterfly98 note to self for the next wedding I have to attend
I'm going to miss living vicariously through the friendship that your channel always had, where it felt like a bunch of buds in the forest having a good old time, but also completely get the sheer amount of work that goes into every single one of those videos
I think he will still be doing that. He said "alone or with close friends is preferred" for the videography
Riding alone is my "me" time and I only sacrifice that if one of my kids wants to join me. Keep doing your thang, DK!
I find the solo ride zen and meditative, my therapy 🚴✨✨
Mind body soul!
Yes! Exactly this! Mindfullnes (or mind-emptyness, which is even better 😉) on 2 wheels! 🙏🏽😎
I'm a solo rider. I like riding whenever I feel like it, time-wise, and I like not worrying about anyone's pace. Added bonus that I get to spontaneous change where I'm going mid ride.
Recently came across your channel. I appreciate how hard you work on making the videos interesting and high quality as possible. I hate most peoples ride videos, yours are fabulous. Your voice over, b roll, funny questions and comments, and environment make them interesting. When you started this video I was a little worried that quality would go down without a group but your technique and style shine through! I truly dig what you do, group or no group, camping, tinkering, gear reviews, or studio tours. You are a talented storyteller!
In my 20'a and 30's, group rides were "normal" { just out of the military] and now I'm 75, I am the only person I can get along with! As a teacher surrounded by hundreds of people daily, solitude is earned!
Same here, as a retire from the military I find myself riding by myself all the time and loving it.
Ya people either don't like me or I don't like them Lol .but I'm taking it up with God because it seems wrong 😅
No way! I like your style! In England teachers hang out with other teachers talking about teaching and telling people who aren’t teachers that they’re teachers
Yes. I struggle with that "curated group "of friends to ride with, and it sounds lovely. Riding alone is also a critical part of my mental health. I wish I knew how to find more friends that ride, but local group rides can be absolutely reckless dick measuring contests. I have nothing to prove, I just love to ride.
Solo. Except for 1 guy sometimes. So, Brolo.
Brolo...🤣
I will definitely add Brolo to my language 😂😂
Yes...Brolo!
Another Brolo here!
Im most of the time solo, which I really enjoy. Me time.
I loved your OMTM group ride videos because they were such a beautiful fantasy during COVID lockdowns. I knew in my heart I'd never do anything like that, but they were still inspiring.
Sometimes I save the leftover bar and eat it next ride. Or forget and carry it around until it haunts my dreams.
Thanks for all the creative and inspiring videos!
You and Ron are the best! Ron is very funny so I hope you drag him along sometimes.
This is one of your best videos I think. Group rides are definitely a touchy subject. I live in NYC, and theres 8 million people here nad a very active bike community, so I have the opportunity to join group rides all the time. I also will almost always encounter some other cyclists doing the same route I'm on at the same pace, and almost every time that happens, an impromptu group forms until we break to go our own way. I think riding with friends and finding the group that works for you is the best. If you can somehow ride with a group that is slightly faster than you, I think that's the optimal setup, because itll push you to go a little harder than you would normally do.
I almost always ride solo, but do enjoy an impromptu group ride, but it can be a little awkward if you're not sure if someone is into it initially. If I get passed by someone I almost always pick up the pace to see if I can hang. Thinking about it now makes me excited for warmer weather.
Mostly solo, or with one friend and the occasional charity event. But it is nice to know there is safety in not being alone sometimes. That said, I miss Ron.
only child (single parent) and an overwhelming amount of time by myself. when i learned to ride a bike (self taught) it open up my eyes to the rest of the world. cycling has given me a lot and taken a lot as well. i couldn't imagine my life without it. 90% solo rider.
I’ve become a solo rider out of necessity the past couple of years (avoiding toxic groups, good friends quitting cycling, moving far away to a sparsely populated area, etc). I do enjoy it, though.
Good points. Nice inception effect. Excellent edit!
I rode mostly single at age 73. Not many group rides for groceries early mornings. Not many pannier carrying riders willing to carry a gallon of milk and a full bag of groceries.
I love exploring, stopping and doing what i want. I've returned to spinning lower gears and feeling energized.
You've summoned it all up most adequately. Though watching you and Ron tear around reminds me of rides with a good friend in the 1970s. We rode similar bikes, pedaled similar gears and we both enjoyed Fig Newtons.
Love the one you're with even if it's being alone.
I have half a bar in my saddle bag for the next ride. Waste not want want not.
I'm 15 years behind you and I worry, how old will be too old to ride? I want to ride until the last day. I have a friend your age who is a killer mountain biker. Love having guys like you around to show we can keep doing this as we age. There aren't many of you/us.
The last group ride I did was a gravel ride about 48 miles, halfway through the ride. The guy that invited me just took off and I didn’t see him until we got back to the car and the end we did a 14 mile an hour pace and he did a 14.5 mile an hour pace, now come on was it really worth it to ride away from your friends like that? Needless to say that was my last group ride as that kind of stuff just doesn’t make sense to me, I have no problems, riding solo, I can hammer when I want, and I can just chill when I want, I love my bikes, and I love riding still to this day at 61 years old!
Still lovin the videos. Never a dull moment and learning something new every time
Riding bikes for me is 60 percent social. I love riding with people. Slow or fast. No breaks....lots of breaks. All good.
Same here, slow or fast. Without the group rides, I'd miss the rich social aspect of cycling, even as an introvert (that's what my solo rides are for)! Maybe I'm just addicted to the feeling of a smoothly rotating paceline, which, IMO, is simply one of the most beautiful feelings anyone can experience! Personally, I feel that many solo riders are terrified of riding in a group, which I can understand as I certainly was in the beginning but it's hugely worth it.
Ive always rode alone,helps clear my mind
So many valid points. My thoughts exactly. Thank you. 😊
This was spot on!
What got me hooked on your channel was the grouprides almost felt like I was riding with you. Great filming, awesome music and good vibes. You tube needs more Ron Lewis 🥸🙏
Group rides are a means of conveyance to the post ride noms and hangs.
"Lets get this group ride out of the way so we can hang out already"....🤣
great vid🙌
I too have given up on large group rides but will gladly go out with a few friends that have a similar pace and shared expectations on what type of ride we are doing.
Same, group of less than 5 is best for me, for road cycling it is also way safer
I was fortunate to get hooked up with a ride leader who was passionate about teaching safe riding, i.e. calling out road hazards, cars, pulls, eschelons, etc. So now when i ride with my daughter on organized rides i can show her who she's safe to be around and who is to be avoided.
Love this! Makes me feel better that I’m not the only one that enjoys riding alone. I’m always catching grief when I get home and friends see that I shredded a park without them….
Funnily enough, I've ridden solo (not counting events) most of my riding 'career' because that's just what I did and not enough bike weirdo friends. But lately, I've been curious about joining group rides because I'd like to find one that pushes me a bit (without dropping me).
One thing you didn't talk about though is safety when riding solo. So many rides end up in the boonies without cell coverage (even road rides in the hills) that it is important to either go old school (tell a trustworthy person your plans and check in ) and/or modern (app activity tracking and/or satellite communitcatore like an InReach) to make sure you don't end up dieiing in a ditch somewhere.
We miss Ron. Is a group = you & Ron? I think not🥸
Don't be a safety nerd.
@@felicetanka hey, I'll be any kinda nerd I want 🙂🤣
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never really cared for group rides until i started riding with the Vancouver (wa) Fixed gear guys. Absolute blast every wednesday. great dudes that love weird adventures, getting really muddy and makin me a better rider.
This one was great. Gosh, the disappointment on the gloves was palpable. And you absolutely nail the part about why alone-time just feels right - no planning, no explaining, no worries.
I used to commute NYC for work, after much experimentation (including a pair of heated gloves) and many winters I found the best combo by far for keeping hands warm was glove liners plus waterproof mittens.
Solo Lunch Rider for those daily workouts here. Whatever you do, enjoy your ride Player!
Right there with you. 98% solo with the occasional curated yet small group is my jam. Love the channel.
🤜❤️🤛
wonderful content 👏🏻, definitely solo dolo:)
Love the vids! Thanks for the knowledge and content. Watching you blast thru the woods by yourself, I wonder if you ever come across a grizzly or some other big wildlife?
Hey Dustin, your mates are super fun, and I have enjoyed many of your videos where you're fucking about with them on some sick ride. Sorry the love is gone a bit. I got inspired to get into gravel because of you (got my Grizl in 2023 and then did a 4 day insanity gravel group tour in Autumn up the Palouse to Cascade trail). This year gonna do STP. I think you had a huge part in getting me to do all this. Thanks mate. Hope you're doing okay, and this video isn't a sign of something bringing you down.
Such a great vid! Real true!!! 🙌🏽🔝👏🏽🤣
Thank you!! 😁
I ride solo probably 99% of the time, mainly due to my schedule, but like some of the points you mentioned are some of my reasons for being solo. I do have a few friends that ride on the road and we try to get together one day a month, some times we plan a route, some times we don't, or better yet, we wing it by taking turns deciding which way to go at each intersection....makes for a fun or unusual ride. What's nice is that none of us are competitive cyclists, we just like to ride for fun, make frequent stops, and aren't afraid to just stop at some random store or if we're lucky, a coffee shop.
I typically like riding solo on the mtn bike because I tend to just take random trails or sometimes, I have been known to just do exploratory rides in places that more than likely never see mtn bike riders, I have even gotten lost temporarily. One ride was only 14.5 miles, took nearly 5 hrs, I carried or pushed my bike at least 3 miles of that, but I had a general idea which direction I needed to go. I thoroughly had a fantastic time because the views made me forget that I was in cougar territory and on "trails" that probably weren't really trails. If I had someone with me, they more than likely would have ruined the experience by complaining 😅. Some of my riding buddies say I am not normal 🤪.
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This is so rad to see!
I know a little about shooting video for work and I get exhausted thinking about the amount of work that goes into your amazing group ride vids.
I have the same issue as you Dustin, I am constantly stopping to set up shots and then getting enthused and excited about the shots I've set up, no one else should have to endure that!!!!
Although I'll miss your group ride videos I totally support you going solo more, or with a select small group. I have one person I ride with, or I go alone. I've mostly done things alone till recently because I wanted to go deeper not faster. Like you said, you can just do what you want. I'm a senior these days and with no work, rural living, no wife, riding with someone else is part social, part backup as we're in our seventies now, yeah, it happens. Anyway, " you can go your own way", da da da dit da.
Love this
There's great camaraderie in exploring together and suffering together. There's also something magically exciting about going full gas in a well organized paceline. That said, the main reasons I ride solo are 1) don't have to wait for slower rides or feel bad about holding up faster riders, 2) most group rides near me start in the mornings and I like riding in the afternoons or after work in the evenings, and 3) specific to gravel and MTB, I go into the trails to feel secluded and away from people, so riding in a group on trails feels counterintuitive. As we get older and gain more experience riding, we understand better what we enjoy and what we don't, and it's difficult to find people who enjoy the same things and are available to do those things with you when you want to do them.
Solo, for all the same reasons you gave. Plus, it's the only time I can hear myself think. Solitude is a magical thing.
Solo. I ride an old Fargo and usually can't keep up with the "weekend warriors." I too ride to get a break from people and conversations. It's my meditation. Maybe I'll ride with a friend or two but not with the groups.
LOL...maybe it's a Fargo thing?...me too.
Spot on. Sometimes its just better solo. Plus once again tip of cap for gear review thats not fluff.
I actually got into biking thinking I would enjoy road riding and group rides. But then I got a mountain bike, tried doing group rides, and learned that I enjoy stopping a lot to enjoy just being outside and in the moment. And felt bad that I was just slowing a lot of people down. I'm not really there to break Strava times or be KOM. The only time I do a group ride is if someone else shares the same passion about being "there."
Absolutely the reason I ride as well. Thought I was the only one. 😂 Enjoying the moment and being out with nothing to prove.
I fully understand. But also I really enjoyed your group ride videos.
I like the ride videos of you and one or two of your buddies especially Ron.
Oh you know I’m always racing ahead and then playing catch up game! 😜📸
I guess this build character!?
@@EverythingsBeenDone always hopeful it builds character + a decent photo 😂
I’m signed up for Cycle Oregon Gravel and frequent solo runs on Banks-Vernonia trail is my training plan this spring. Long cardio uphill to the middle route distance and a glide down through forest and farmland without any cars is pure zen.
Thanks!
I doth my Cap to you! Thank you!
DK you've got some of the top cycling content on the tubes...thanks for that. For me variety is the spice of life...I like all of it. Big events are cool a couple times a year. If you can find a good group ride...love it, so much fun and comradery. But like you said...the wrong group...yeah I'm out. Love riding with my wife and or a couple of friends. And solo can just release you..let it all out.
All of this YES!!
Yeh...The older I get the most solo rides I love, or just couple of really close friends with same mindset ( like Ron! ) ....Nice Video and landscape!
I never get to do group rides cause I live in a very remote rural community. I lived vicariously through your group ride films. I loved them and appreciate your production work. Can you at least do a few rides. I MISS THEM.
Got back into mtb about ten years ago. I tried it in the 90s and I would spend more time fixing the bike than riding it. So I went deep into street and park bmx for 20 something years. I had a small crew I would ride with here and there but I mainly rode by myself. I could session something for as long as I needed to figure out my lines. I ride mountain bike now by myself, same reasons that most days I like to session a section of trail or a feature till I figure out the lines or it feels right. Some days I just blast. I stop when I want, go where I want. Best days are in fall, bright colors everywhere, air is dry and cool, it’s solitude at it best epic levels.
Only child, grew up in the bush, always ridden by myself, love it that way. Riding alone and tinkering with my bikes in the seclusion of the shed is my meditation. I’ll go for rides with my kids that’s all good but I still take any opportunity I get to hit the trails or the road alone.
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Your reasons really resonate with me other than the video reasons. I often ride alone.
Amen, brother, all of the above. Well, maybe not the filming challenges, but all the rest. Part of it is 1) my innately solitary nature, 2) partly a constrained schedule that doesn't align with others, and the rest is 3) just being slower now, for a variety of reasons, a lack of consistency being primary. I also prefer a select small group of riding companions, but that's been a struggle to get everyone back on track since the pandemic. Retirement beckons, and with it the promise of consistency. I'll see where that leads.
I usually finish the tidbit in the wrapper, love to ride solo and with select groups. Large organized rides are great motivators for training!
Overall I believe I get where you are at. I followed the same path with motorcycle group rides, and now mostly ride alone or with a small select group. I LOVE your videos with Ron, and co. so I hope we still see more of those. I don't have a cool group of friends like that to cycle with, so I get my group ride fun vicariously through you. I enjoy the personal battle cycling alone, pushing my envelope, being 'out there alone'; but at times I also enjoy the social of sharing the experience with others - there's no rule that says we can't enjoy both.
i've been cycling for just 3 years, and it's been 90% alone. i discovered and fell in love with it that way, and when i started to try and join group rides, at first im really excited, but then its just that: chasing all day with my tongue out and feeling miserable or wait constantly. i love showing new places to friends though, and try to create routes for that purpose.
have you thought about leading a group ride that's at your pace?
I always envied you guys going out together on your group rides as I nearly always ride on my own, but as you point out, you are your own best partner.
The last piece of the energy bar...... I find them several months later in the bottom of my riding bag......a visual/sniff test and sometimes they go back in rotation, LOL
I've never been on a proper group ride yet so I don't have much to compare to. I love solo riding but getting out with a few buddies is always a hoot. Have you ever considered trying the Polar Roll up in Marquette in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan? Great video! Thank you for sharing.
"One of the only times I feel the most confortable with myself".
I can relate to that!
Always been a solo rider. Could imagine riding with a friend, but not in a group. I walk my dogs alone, I run alone, I ride alone. Wouldn‘t have it any other way!
Great video! I agree with everything you said, but I think cycling in a group is safer in case of an accident, mechanical problem... i keep doing group rides in some cases
I agree on the safety side of things!
especially for mountain/gravel rides. 20 miles out is not a good place to have a serious injury.
Dustin is leaving the groupie life to enter the center stage! 🎉
Yeah, I stopped going to my club rides because it wasn't safe anymore. With new people coming in and riders I'm not familiar with their riding style, it just made it too sketchy, when all I want to do is ride. I started going solo again and loving the freedom of just going, not worrying about others, and having peace to myself. I don't have to hear others' stupid comments, I don't have to try and keep up or wait for others, I just go. I think it's best to go and have 1 or two other people to ride with that you know really well, but solo is pretty liberating and that's the feeling I want when riding....freedom.
I love solo touring/bikepacking
That trail looks amazing. Even in the rain
This is Gales Creek in Tillamook National Forest. Really good stuff.
There’s room in the world for both. I will say I get flats almost infinitely more often on group road rides than when I’m riding by myself. I also have a history of injuring myself on MTB group rides, where I’ve only toppled at zero mph a few times when riding by myself.
Being comfortable with yourself and being alone is something i fully agree and understand - so does my sister. So i don't think it relates to being an only child.
I'm an old person (45) and have begun road biking and easy gravel 4-5 years ago as well as commuting. I love it and want to do more. And last year i bought an emtb and want to get riding on it - i've taken a few technique courses to get the basics right and i'm going to try a group ride soon. But i want to go solo, but worry about getting injured on a trail or even worse off a trail all by myself. Being with a buddy or two must be safer and better. What are your thoughts on getting injured on one of your solo rides ?
Ive mostly done solo rides, but when I finally find a welcoming and laid back bike community it's the best thing
Watching this to kill time while I prep for my group ride later today :P
I think I'm in agreement on basically all points though! Makes me appreciate the groups I've found even more; no-drop 'casual' group that tends to be just slightly faster than me and takes a consistent weekly route up some climbs and down some descents I might avoid if I was solo, and it's helped me immensely. Haven't had any friction so far, made a couple friends in the process.
But for the rest of the week, I'm out solo. I like to dictate my own pace, I like to stop and take photos every so often, explore new routes and areas. I'd like to have more friends I can just go 'wander' with, but otherwise, I just like being the one who decides how far I feel like going and when I want to turn around that day. I'm trying to be fit, not become a top athlete.
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What glasses are those?? They look super convenient for cycling!
Been a solo rider since I started riding in 2008. Only been on group rides a handful of times. I’m an introvert so getting out on the bike and away from people is right up my alley haha. But in those few group rides I did do, found myself pushing my limits more.
I've been using and riding in Volt Heat heated gloves for years... game changers. They work incredibly.
another great vid! always prefered a ride on my tod. dude who makes those forest camo gloves youre using? i need them in my life
That’s why I just wait at the top of hills or at road splits for the group to catch up. I do ride solo most often but I enjoy riding with friends.
Interesting 🤔 D! Covid forced me into a better solorider where I hated solo rides before. Nowadays I appreciate the solorides without realizing, you gave me some insight ✅🤟🏻
I use Outdoor Research Prevail heated gloves on my cold weather rides. Not bike specific, not cheap, and a touch on the bulky side, but I find them to work well even on my hands, which have always struggled with the cold.
I ride 80% solo,I ride 8-10 Randonneur rides a year some end up being solo a couple are just me from the start. I do have a few riding buddies at different levels, with post ride coffee or Beers. Videoing the Brevets turned out harder than I thought. Every time I sit up with the GoPro I slip back and have to catch up. Great video. Cheers.
You’ve got to continue riding with Ron; he’s the best!
This reminded me of an old Dave Chappelle show with Rick James "I didn't put my boots on his couch.....well heck yes I put my puts on his couch"
Love the videos! Follow what your passion is and sounds like that is doing larger videos with bigger rides!
is this gales creek you're riding? trails look like they're in awesome shape for all the blowdown and rain we've been getting... i want to go to there!!
I’ve tried to stop being a solo rider, but I just love my alone time.
I cycle alone almost exclusively, 1. my ride is for me. 2. I wana ride at the speed I want to when I want to. 3. group rides often times can have that abrasive person.
A little of both. Standard Saturday group ride with some of the issues listed but it mostly works and is nice to be social. We have a standard rule of no drop but that means if you are in a mood to hammer, you do so for awhile and then loop back and pick up the rest of the group. If I have specific training goals, then I'm off on my own for those days. Left over ride bars??? I didn't know you could do that....
I get it. But your group rides are so good to watch!
Group rides I think you need to have a mindset of just take it easy and be willing to adapt and make changes. Great way to meet new people and find different areas you may not know about. BTW, what trail is that. Forest looks amazing.
Exactly the same for me when it comes to adventure motorcycle rides. Compromising stinks. Sometimes one good buddy can be fun though.
- Tim
Used to always ride alone. But managed to get my big brother into cycling. Now we ride together - he does the hard work into headwinds and I just chill behind lol.