Creating the same track on MPC ONE and RS7000
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- In this video: creating the same track on both MPC ONE and RS7000. You'll hear the plugin synths, the AWM synth and see some sampling and time-stretching and pitch-adjusting on both machines. Table of contents:
00:00 Introduction
00:29 hardware comparison
02:02 creating a drum track: MPC One
02:45 ... RS7000
03:36 bass track & sidechaining: MPC One
05:02 ... RS7000
06:16 recording automation: MPC One
06:46 ... RS7000
07:09 recording an EP track: MPC One
07:22 ... RS7000
07:45 sampling, pitching & stretching: MPC One
10:02 ... RS7000
11:55 comparison of stretched&shifted samples: MPC One
12:19 ... RS7000
12:32 conclusion
13:05 finished demo track!
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Thanks for this comparison! I also wish Yamaha put out an updated RS7000.
Yes, you're right. Perhaps a bit smaller this time, though, and with that nice touch screen the MPC has.
Touch screens are terrible for music kit IMHO. Moving your hands from the controls to the screen and back. I think the touch screen is half the reason why the MPC Live I bought just didn't work for me.
I selfishly hope you do a basic tutorial of the RS7000 one day. There isn't one very complete or good one that I've found. You'd be the rs7000 hero of CZcams!
+1 really great idea !
Thanks for watching! The thing is, there's so much you can do on this box. So what would you like to see?
@@mr_floydst just the basics honestly! How to set up a basic pattern, get a groove going and play with some of the effects. Nothing complicated like the midi sequencing (which I heard is super powerful) and sampling. But just getting going and jamming out. You’ve already done a great job of that to be honest!
@@mr_floydst hello thank you for your request,
I have several tutorial ideas ...
The sequencer, the synthesizers, the effects, midi, outputs, building a song with each detailed step ... What are the particular sounds and curiosities of the machine ...
But if you had to start with one of them it would be the sequencer, it is the biggest asset of the machine and also the most complex to approach.
Thank you
This is very very well done !
Big fan of your videos by the way.
Great demo exercise.
My biggest gear regret is selling my RS7000 years ago. I’ve always considered it to be ahead of its time and quite underrated in general.
Thanks for watching! I can relate. Having all those hands on controls makes it really easy and quick to get results.
It has been the centre of my studio for years connected to tons of synths. the sequencer and capabilities are top notch and intuitive. ableton alike qualities.
The problem is this 20 year old gear is breaking down. I have an old Akai sample that Is like a sentimental attachment but it’s buttons are failing, oh well.
@@EFFbriskethead Tact switches can be replaced, the rubber domed switches can be replaced in the RM1x, MC505 and RS7000. I did my RM1x a while ago. Complete front switch replacement. Okay, if you aren't good with technical things it's not a DIY job, but modern kit is generally made much cheaper and won't last very long. Modern stuff is also using very small components which are hard to replace.
I have had a lot of synths/samplers/workstations and I can say that the RS7000 is by far the best piece of gear I've ever had. I still have it today.
Thanks for watching! If Yamaha'd release something like this today...
@@mr_floydst Have you ever tried/heard the Spectralis? (especially being from Germany)
@@fluim0102 Thanks for mentioning that! No, I never heard of that before. Will investigate right now! :-)
@@mr_floydst Sure do! czcams.com/video/u-47BzrVxuw/video.html this shows quite well what it can do I'd say (it's also the designer himself playing, who was also the designer of many quasimidi synths)
GREAT VIDEO -- love the idea. Owned an MPC Live that sat beside my RS for a while. The internal audio and fx routing on the MPC are insane. I find bass drums on the RS really muddy in a mix and it's hard to get it to thump (with stock sounds) like the MPC. Most of the other sounds are passable for bread and butter stuff.
BUT -- the RS absolutely destroys the MPC as a sequencer. The MIDI FX, groove editing, variable phrase lengths, plus the loop remix are absolutely stellar.
I agree. The RS7000 is a great "MIDI centerpiece" for your hardware synth collection. The internal samples are a bit on the short side, resulting in somewhat flat sounds, but the filters sound great, so sampling your own stuff will take this into the current decade, sonically.
This is the exactly my thoughts. RS7k internal sounds are really weak but nothing beats, even now, it's midi FX potential. Wants to buy again a rs7k just for the loop remix
@@Romaindeud The internal sounds are good if you know how to manipulate them. I had great results from the rs7000
If you want a thumping bass drum, a high pass filter on the bass drum with high resonance. You'll blow your speakers easily.
Thanks for the video. My RS7000 was the best gear I had. I went on tour, it was stable and rock solid. The sample loading times were a pain but the rest was perfect. I hope to see this legend reborn by Yamaha , Korg, Novation, Behringer or whoever someday.
Thanks for watching! My unit looks like it's been on tour a lot, too. :) I have to say the MPC comes quite close, once you know your way around it's easy to create loops and patterns live. If only it had more knobs, but the touchscreen works well most of the time.
Yes! Been waiting for your rs7000 video all week! Can't wait to watch this after work!
Thank you! :)
Wow that RS7000 was quite advanced for its time. Very nice.
Hi, thanks for watching! It had a lot of great features, but one could also conclude that music hardare hasn't advanced that much for 20 years (there are of course reasons for that). Best regards!
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Great video. Love the gear from the past and your expertise.
Thanks for watching!
MPC One is so powerful. Great little box. Akai did amazing job with it.
Thanks for watching! I agree. It's really a great workstation and in can do nearly everything you need in music production.
Interesting comparison! I also am a RS7000 first adopter, bought it when it came out. I know that most folks back in the day bought it as an upgrade for the RMX.. The way to create a groove is straight forward, and applying swing takes less than a second. I always enjoyed the realtime modifiers, like swing, delay etc etc.. That really is what this machine is good at: real time creation. We take it in todays age for granted that every piece of new gear is 100% realtime, but 23 years ago, this was not a given.
Thanks for watching! You're right, that was a big deal back then (today, there still are some boxes around that won't let you edit everything while playing a loop/track)
The Yamaha for me, it just has the audio edge.
Thanks for watching! As with all of Yamahas hardware from that time, the bottom end of their A/D converters is hugely satisfying, capable of shaking the room. The MPC as a cleaner, more "surgical" sound. Both have their place, I think, but it's really a matter of personal preferences. I think the RS7000 really stood it's ground here ;-)
@@mr_floydst Its the old which is better real or VST. I must admit. I am no snob, I literally cannot tell the difference between a lot of the Roland Sound Cloud and the real actual hardware. There is a element of "audio snobbery" sometime at play. Not always, but a lot of the time. Nice video.
@@KarlBate Same for me, I can't hear the difference, and in the rare occasions I can, it doesn't really matter. :-) But I know having some hardware controls is more fun than pushing a mouse pointer...
I like the Yamaha, purer sound to my ears. I am trying to choose a dawless solution. I've looked at the mpc one, and Roland verselab mv-1, I'm worried they just sound too distinctly akai and Roland sound, polished and lacks individual character. I also like the weird approach of the arq-96, but it seems rather unreliable from what I've seen. I want the more " vinyl sound" rather than "mp3" sound. What would you advise?
@@MegaAshski Thanks for watching! There are two answers here. The first one is given from a viewpoint that's purely practical. The MPC does all the things, and with the 2.10 update, is does even more of all the things. Plus it's so much faster at doing these things and (most important) does not waste your time with deprecated storage media. It also can produce all the sounds if you're willing to create your own presets. Akai's presets are full of delay effects which they seem to love madly ;-) But if you're investing some time, you can create sounds that definitely don't sound "uh it's Akai".
It's not the best box for live tweaking, though.
Second answer is from a "musical" point of view.
The Yamaha is for people who love to play back readily composed sequences, adding variation by muting tracks, changing filters and effects and so on. It's a great box for playing live. Also, Yamaha's D/A converters are well known for their warm, powerful sound (in other words, B A S S).
The AWM engine in the RS7000 is one of the more limited implementations, though. You can't edit the actual "oscillators" (like in the EX5 for example) but you're left to work with the preset sounds or your own samples.
Cool, that AWM bass is nice and gnarly! 👍
I agree! That's a very nice bass sound. :)
great video !!!
love the RS7000 !!
Thanks for watching!
Really interesting to see how the tech has advanced - but also great to see how capable the tech of the past can be with some knowledge (and patience!)
Thanks for watching! I think, for some scenarios, the RS7000 is even more hands-on than the MPC (the sheer amount of knobs...). MPC has the upper hand on overall usability thanks to it's touch screen, faster CPU and larger memory, though.
I must say the comparison is not what I expected. I thought the MPC One would have been a clear cut winner, but the more vids I watch about the RS7000 the more I like the idea of getting it. I thought the touch screen interface on MPC would have been a huge advantage, but looking at the workflow as presented above I am not convinced. All the mod cons aside (USB, SD, network, CV) I think 20 years in tech progress does not equal to 20 years in interface improvement, and for a multi synth sequencer centre piece I am looking for, the MPC One does not seem to be the answer.
Thanks for the video. 👍
Thanks for watching! RS7000 is great, but all in all, MPC One can do more things. But if you like the workflow, RS7000 is the right choice for you.
Great video, thanks ❤ the RS7000... imagine what a beast the 2021 Yamaha RS8000 would be !!
Yamaha seem to be very conservative with their hardware. No experiments, only thing that are 100% certain to appeal to an existing customer base.
Yam 20 years ahead of its time!!! I can't believe all these features were there back then....
... and I'm only scratching the surface in this video, really. :-)
I have both the live 2 and I'm an rs7000 original owner. The workflow on the MPC is a horrendous mess right now to me in comparison though I am still in the manual studying phase. The learning curve on the RS was pretty high. I think I've written about it a few times over the years. Today it is still a great piece of gear to own if you have the spare cash laying around. It is analog midi only so no usb keys! I had an Akai mpd16 and an Edirol PCR- 50(junk) connected to a diy switch box for external control. They had to have separate power. It was a nice setup for a few years.
With that, lugging even just the RS around was a pain. It is a large heavy unit. Not something you can backpack around.
I've noticed that there seems to be a big trend with "standalones" again lately.
I say that if you are hardcore about being standalone only and considering a RS7K as your command hub then you should be aware that it is a big commitment especially for a beginner to use and learn such as it was for my 20+year younger self. The nice things about the MPC are it's size, you can plug in and power cheap usb midi controllers, updated interface, and there is always the opportunity to interface with and control a DAW just in case...
Thanks for watching, and thanks for your detailed comment! You're right, both machines have a learning curve, and they are diametrical: On the MPC, the first hours are absolutely confusing and hard (thanks, CZcams - there are some awesome tutorials on here). The RS is much more approachable thanks to it's hands-on interface.
But as time passes, you get used to the MPC workflow, and it plays out all it's aces - the synth engines, the audio tracks, the quick editors, modern storage media and faster CPU, while on the RS7000, you start diving into the submenus. ;-)
Both are great machines with their own set of pros and cons. I think the size of the MPC is still a bit too big for my taste, around 3/4 of it would be great.
I guess i am a lucky guy, i just found an RS 7000 lying around collecting dust at my work place (Opera House) I'm gonna try it :P. Thanks for this video!!
Wow, haha! Yes, that's what I 'd call lucky. :)
Great song !
Thanks for watching! :)
definately keeping my RS7000, I was thinking of selling it to 'upgrade' to something more 'modern', though I might get an MPC at some point to run alongside the RS...Great video, just subscribed.
I think the MPC is a great synth workstation. I owned a lot of synths and workstations up to this point, and the MPC is best at not throwing stones in your way. A lot of people seem to complain about this and that, but overall, Akai nailed a lot of things with this box.
Great video. Almost funny how the RS-7000 does some production steps fastter.
Thanks for watching! Yes, some thing really are done faster on the RS7000 thanks to it's enormous amount of hands-on controls.
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Большое спасибо! :)
Great video! Honestly, I felt both were great, and that none had a clear edge, but I'm sure this just shows a tiny bit of what each of these two can do :) Still, the workflow seems nicer on the Akai MPC One, and that would likely be enough to choose it for a similar price (which I guess is the case right now, at least if both were used...).
Thanks for watching! You're right, this only showed a very, very tiny fraction of what these machines can do. The RS7000 has a really unique live sampling & chopping feature which I will demo one day. ;-) The MPC basically does everything a DAW can do.
I have the RS7K from maybe 8 years, and that's one of the gears whos never will be sold. ( ps take Your yellow buttons - put them in the plastic bag with Hydrogen peroxide, put this bag to sunshine or uv light and they will be brand new ). Here at my home studio, i use RS7K to work as a sequencer with Yamaha An1x + PC with Ableton.
Thanks for watching! That's a great setup. Perhaps I'll try your hint, but I'm not sure I want to unscrew the unit all over. :)
@@mr_floydst unscrewing is not a problem ;) - there are inside a lot of connectors. To know which was where - i use a colored marker on plug + corresponding socket. To make these marks unique, for each plug+socket. Here you can see the results + work around it. i forgot to put to the Hydrogen peroxide just the button from the sampling section. So you can see the difference. ps. Hydrogen peroxide was the 30% solution. The last photo = white buttons + this one who was a miss. The job was done during install new micro switches: photos.app.goo.gl/75WSTa5Ma2LaTDfP9 one more: for me, this Yamaha is like a never-ending journey. Cause of You, yesterday i know how to use voice edit + BMP Sync - works as harm !!! . And today i'll try to work around samples as in Your movie. Do you have a plan to make a tutorial? who can describe more functions?
on the wall - DiY midi merger - he merges signals from AN1x + UC-33 controller - UC have sliders, they control the volume of each RS7K channel. Knob's - efect's + Filters. This UC have 4 pages of settings = You see 3 knob's on each track but x 4 pages of settings = 12 knobs per channel.. The rest is at it is. photos.app.goo.gl/4wXt4EM4gCncfRBz9
a CZcams Brilliant track information movie about the MPC 1 and the Yahama RS 7000!
Thanks!
I’ve owned the RS7000 New from release...
I also own the MPC live new from release...
Both incredible machines, but given the choice if the RS7000 was developed and updated it would be RS7000 every time....
but comparing a veteran and OG, of 20 years to the new boy is certainly interesting 👍🏽😂
Agreed. I wish Yamaha returned to releasing daring and somewhat flawed products from time to time :)
“Much wow” indeed
Thank you! :-)
genial!!
Thanks!
I wish akai paid more attention to how OS looks and feels like. New MPCs are really powerful machines, but their new OS look like a kids toy, comparing to older machines with more direct interface. User interface is everything, i think. Yamaha looks like a pro machine, and sounds good - so yeah, it's the winner imho
Thanks for watching! Overall, and personally, I'm quite ok with the way the MPC user interface looks and it's general workflow. There are some obvious flaws (for example, the way they hid portamento in the 7th layer of menu hell is one of those head-scratchers). But overall, I can transfer my musical ideas into actual music quickly. But the same can be said about the RS7000. ;-)
Akai is hiphop based ...Grab another machine! The os doesn't suck you are using it wrong
Subscribed for RS7k wisdom
Thanks! There's more to come, I didn't have the time to cut the videos yet. :)
I mean, both made my head bob.
That's what counts, right?
For a more serious answer: I really dig the Akai, and that's coming from a Yamaha fan-boy...
Plus, the Akai has a bouncing duck for the sidechaining. That's just a massive win in my book!
Thanks for watching! They really went all in on that joke. :-)
Dad can still keep up with Son!
Absolutely. Son is much faster and has all the latest bling bling, though. That's life, I guess. ;-)
Nice tutorial! Any idea how to extend the storage through the scsi connection on the RS?
Thanks! Yes, you can buy a SCSI2SD adapter. The newest version (V6 I think) can also act as a USB drive so it's easy to transfer samples.
OMG I think the RS sounds better, a bit more colored but in a charming way.
Thanks for watching! I think this is down to the way Yamaha's designers like their amps and d/a converters: lots of bass and low end. (A person more knowledgable than me in this topic should perhaps make an essay on the impact of the amplifiers in synth on the overall sound, comparing different brands and models).
RS7000 has so much more life- those LFO's are rad. My MC-707 takes similar amounts of time dealing with samples, so would not be a downside me (other than having already paid for the 707).
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great video-thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for a really interesting comparison. What I especially liked about your approach is that you used all those plugin synths on the MPC (which if I remember correctly, the MPCs from the RS7000 days - 2000/2000XL etc. - couldn't even do). Do I have a preference? Simply from watching this video: no.
Thanks for watching! As always, each machine has it's own strengths and weaknesses. The RS7000 is much more hands - on and thus more fun to play. It's also a great sequencer and inspiration machine, as it comes with thousands of "phrases" built in. But I find it's overall sound more than a bit dated, you will have to work with your own samples a lot, which can be annoying due to it's dated storage media.
The MPC is a very good allround-does-everything synth workstation that doesn't get in your way with arbitrary limitations. In fact, I think it's the best "groove box like" machine you can buy at the moment. It also sounds more "precise" overall. But if you don't like tapping the screen a lot, then it's not the box of choice. :-)
You mentioned there were modern USB converters for the RS7000. Do you have an example of this? I hacked in a USB XD card reader and added a 128MB XD card to use mine.
Hi, thanks for watching! I made a video on SCSI2SD some years ago: czcams.com/video/wpuNQ4tSwTM/video.html
This will also work on the RS7000.
Excellent video! Any chance you could please make an RS7000 tutorial video? I'm having trouble getting my head around the sequencer, & I find the manual is not very well written.
OK, I'll do. :)
@@mr_floydst fantastic! many thanks!
Great idea and execution, Floyd. Can you speak a bit about how the sounds in the 7000 compare to the EX5? Does the EX5 make the 7000 redundant?
Thanks for watching! The EX5 is (by a wide margin) superior in sound. It has 4 instead of two AWM "oscillators", for example, plus a ton of extra effects (and synth engines). The RS7000 does what it does in a more convenient, "fun" way, due to it's many knobs. The sampling part of the RS7000 is a lot more sophisticated than the EX5 sampler. It can do a lot of useful stuff automated.
I owned the EX7 and still won the RS7000. it depend of your style of music and if you are more a presets player or if you prefer to create a sound from scratch. Accoustic sounds like pianos or strings were better on the EX but the RS does contain many more electronic sounds that were very good 20 years ago, but today some people find them cheesy. But the main difference is that the RS let you modify your sound in real time, EX is more for studio and RS for live AND studio.
I miss my rs7000. I have not been able to find comparable sequencing like beat stretch, clock shift, gate, midi delay(with transpose), and remixing
Thanks for watching! None of the current "grooveboxes" has all of these at once. MPC comes closest, but it's workflow is not as elegant as the RS7000's
Cool video! I am biased, I love the RS and I had an Akai Force for a little while before I got rid of it. Didn't like it one bit unfortunately. It's not exactly the same as the MPC One but comparable. Aside from not liking the workflow on the more modern Akai machines, I find it a pity that they have touchscreens. IMO, touchscreens are only good for phones. If there is space for knobs, it should have knobs. If there's no space for knobs, make the machine larger! ;)
I'm glad to see some new RS videos, good stuff!
Thanks for watching! *Everything* is a matter of personal preferences, I guess. :-) Personally, I'm always baffled when synths that clearly need a screen to tell you what's going on come with one that looks like it's straight from the 80s: tiny, two row, 1 bit lcds. Knobs are great and everything, but they don't auto - adjust when you load a patch from disk, so a screen can be a user-friendly way to show the settings a sound uses, among other things. Drawing envelopes by swiping your finger, for example, is a really fun thing to do: the visual representation makes you anticipate the ebb and flow of the sound.
But generally, I agree, the more physical controls, the better!
@@mr_floydst Hi, I really liked this video. I have been admiring these Yamahas for a while. There don’t seem to be too many in the used market. Sound wise, and this is just based on this video through a TV, I liked the Yamaha. I’m curious how you feel about work flow, it seems you have to fast-forward the One a lot because you are digging through so many menus, whereas on the Yamaha, it’s a few keys. Would you say that, even with the touch screen, things move faster on the Yamaha or did you do set up in advance on the RS that you didn’t do on the One?
@@DiGiT626 Hi, thanks for watching! The Yamaha is more hands-on, though both machines have they learning curve. The Akai can do a lot more things for you, so getting around is a bit more work, as there are more decisions to make. Yamaha's UI is very straightforward and inviting.
Yeah I sold my MPC One for the same reason. My fingers did not go well with the touch screen. I ordered a MPC 1000 to replace it, and it showed up broken. That was a bummer, but I got my money back. I then settled with a Digitakt and I’m really liking it for all aspects. I also just preordered a SP 404 MKII. Can’t wait for that to show up. Between the two samplers I’m all set. But as far as the MPC touch screen goes, I couldnt agree more. It’s a shame because it has crazy flexibility and options for what it is. I thought I was gonna love it. Turns out my clumsy sausage fingers do not.
@@thedeepblueskys oh yes the Digitakt is a good piece of kit - straight to the point. I’ve also been looking at the new SP. It might actually make a decent companion to the RS as a kind of phrase recording box to make idea generation (even more) intuitive!
I hope you’ll make some great music with your 404.
hey man, can u upload some more videos with exploring RS7000? btw RS7000 is a killer machine, even nowdays. Maybe the learning curve is a solid conundrum sometimes, but when you finally get the answers, only sky is the limit. Same thing with Yamaha RM1X. Stay healthy, bro!
Thanks for watching! I'll do, next thursday. ;-)
OMGOSH! GOT my rs7000 from synth Dr. and it's a superior beast for creating 🎵. I forgot about two card slots for additional sounds? 0:26
Congrats! :) The card slot is for smart media cards, you can use them for storing your own samples.
What math are you usting to strech the audio to match the bpm?
Hi, thanks for watching! The original "Run like the wind" is 124bpm, while my demo track is 120bpm. So you need to divide 124 by 120 and multiply the result by 100. Best regards!
¿There will be that multicomp effect that yamaha uses in a rack?
I'm afraid I didn't understand your question. The RS7000 has a multiband compressor (one of it's global effects). The MPC has not, but as you can insert up to 4 effects per track, you can build a workaround.
If you had the multiband compressor enabled, the Yamaha would have hit harder and sounded better (adjusted to taste). Great video though! The RS7000 has it's own groove for sure. I'm about to go through the videos to learn mine to get it down pat
Hi, thanks for watching! You're right, should have done that, given how easy it is.
which one do you like better? I dont need and will never use a groovebox, but why not
Personally, I like the MPC better overall - it has modern storage media and a lot of RAM, which arguably is important for sampling. The Yamaha has more hands-on controls, though. :) So it's not a 100% win for the MPC.
This seems to be about workflow only? Where can we hear a final track made on one thing vs. the other?
Hi, thanks for watching - yes, this is about workflow mainly. Thing is, how good a track really sounds in the end is 90% the person that plays the instrument, and while filming this, I knew the MPC more than the RS7000, so my track would have been biased. I will search my archives and upload the RS7000 track to soundcloud and get back to you. :-)
Love the rs 7000 wish I never sold it
Thanks for watching! You can find them on ebay occasionally, but they're usually quite expensive...
How can I get to know more about this RS 7000 cause you have a lot of knowledge about this machine. I don’t play a keyboard or drums.
Hi, thanks for watching! I made a couple of videos on this box: czcams.com/play/PLN55_-YN4bzhZNYB6CeQXIAMB6Vjla9J5.html
Thank u for this great video. Is the RS7000 upgraded in any way? it looks much faster than mine (at least on this video). I love my RS7000 and would love to upgrade it to the top.
Hi, thanks for watching! It's not modified (apart from the screen that I replaced). I've sped up some parts of this video so people don't get bored. The timestretching part is real time, as are most button presses and screen reactions, but I've axed some of the loading screens. Got to make some compromises to keep that viewer retention up. :-)
@@mr_floydst Wich screen did u get? Mine got vertical bars)
@@aerosilla I bought mine from that guy on ebay: www.ebay.co.uk/itm/154100435328?hash=item23e11a0980:g:exQAAOSwsR5fa3~a
Screen is really easy to install and the quality is superb. But it's not cheap. :) I heard there are other options around which are much cheaper (please read the comments on my video on the screen replacement, one of my viewers linked a pink screen which was around $20 or so)
yamaha master effect lo utilizo en todas mis composiciones fuera de la misma rs 7000
Thanks for watching! Yes, those are quite handy (especially the compressor makes everything sound fatter)
Floyd…I’m very sad to say I just sold my EX-5 :(
I had to get a Korg DSS-1.
Now I’m missing that Yamaha Virtual analog and sample capabilities and you got me looking at one of these over the MPC live!
For me you can’t beat the sound of Yamaha converters. It’s why I have a Reface DX OVER an OP 6.
Thanks for watching! Let's be straight here. If given the coice between an MPC One and an RS7000, the MPC One wins by a wide margin. The RS7000 is superb, but as some viewers pointed out, it's sound engine is getting a bit long in the tooth, as the internal samples are very short due to the lack of RAM. RS7000 go for around 650 bucks on ebay, while a new MPC is roughly in the same range and not only gives you 4 synths plus a highly sophisticated sampler, but also access to modern and fast storage media, which will really save your precious lifetime if you're planning to work with samples. :-) If the RS7000 used market prices were lower, this would be a different talk (due to it's abundance of controllers).
I bought the RS7000 because there was an opportunity to get it really cheap and I was curious to see what it is. There's not a lot of material on CZcams...
My EX5 just arrived yesterday .. was already following Floyd, but even more so now :)
I’ve already told myself I need to put the vintage samplers and sequencers down and join the 21st century! I may enjoy the sound of Yamahas ADC more than the current Akai, but the functionality of the MPC makes it more flexible. I’m definitely getting the MPC (Live v1) mostly to be the brains of my studio as well as controlling my live set. It’s a shame the MPC one doesn’t have just a couple more outs or it would be perfect for my needs.
I have the RS7000 and by far nothing comes close, especially the effects that it has.
Back in 2011 and already owning the Yamaha RM1X, RY30 and the Roland MC505, I went out and bought the RS7000, MC909 and MC303 and linked them all together.
It was the box that included all the ideas Yamaha had at that time - you will find many ideas in other boxes they released at that time in other devices, too, but only the RS7000 has all of them. If only they had made the sounds fully editable like on their workstations.
It would be great to see these sequencers in a live situation. In that case the mpc should be swapped with a Force but even then I doubt the Force has the same deep midi (groove) tweaking on a sequence being played. I love my rm1x but it also has to stop and save a phrase before playing it. Apparently the rs7000 solved that but I cant find that on youtube.
Both boxes have different strengths in this scenario (for example, MPCs flexbeat tool is quite unique)
But I'm really not the right person to show this off. ;-)
Great content. Makes me want to dust off my RS and work :)
Thanks! You should. ;-)
I have used MPC since the standed rack s900 and to day use a MPC renacance but think the RS7000 is the winner here. Im moving away from Akai as I have to may problems with them today. Slows production down. Its good to see them go back to stand allown unit but it may be to late.
Thanks for watching and commenting! I'm on team MPC. The slower CPU and storage media on the RS7000 are the main factors here.
Bought my 2nd rs 7000 yestarday.
Congrats!
Could you please do a beginner friendly workflow video for the RS7000? There is nothing decent on youtube. Thanks for making this video.
Thanks for watching! Well, the problem is there are so many places one can actually begin doing something in this machine. So what would you like to see? Creating a track? I kind of did that in this video. Creating your own sounds? Sampling? Best regards! :-)
@@mr_floydst Would love to see a breakdown on how the machine is put together, wrt workflow. How does it differ from a 'modern' workflow. The 'step sequencer' seems pretty clunky from what little I've seen. How does quantization work? People rant and rave about the RS7000's midi capabilities. What's that about? I think one can time stretch over midi, though I'm not sure. Can you chain patterns? Is there a song mode? How do the effects compare to modern grooveboxes? Can it techno? How does it fare for sound design? Starting from an init waveform, how easy is it to create, say, a lately bass? How much of the AWM engine do you gave access to? Would love a start to end workflow overview, giving particular attention to the quirky bits of programming this machine.
Yamaha giving up making grooveboxes is such a pity. Love your videos! Thanks again.
Would love to get my hands on the RS7000 and they seem to be increasingly scares right now.... Would take that any day over the MPC One.
Did you join the RS7000 Facebook group? You'll find some offers there from time to time.
@@mr_floydst wow thanks so much looks like someone is actually selling!
rs7k! the rave machine
I wasn't there at the time, but a lot of viewers told me this! I can see why.
also i know it was one of most capable sequencers at the time. You could do complex time sigs etc.
Nice comparison, but it's weird that you name a section 'conclusion' and there's actually no conclussion at all.
Thanks. It's a running gag, I don't want to name that part "the part where I ask people to subscribe and stuff". ;-)
I need to get my rs-7000 keys fixed. I like the work flow better. I like the memory volume on the mpc better but I love my yamaha.
Thanks for watching! The MPC could benefit from an extra row of encoders for sure. :)
All goes to show that modern doesn't necessarily equal better quality when it comes to sample processing. The MPC version sounded rough. If you don't get the algorithms right then it will sound bad no matter how fast or slow the processor the process is using is.
Thanks for your feedback - well, ok - I'm certainly not an audio engineer but merely a hobby musician, but catering to my personal tastes, I like MPC and it's clicky drum sound. But I guess it's a takeaway from the video, so it wasn't useless ;)
The synth enginne from Yamahas is way ahead........MPC series are based on Hip Hop producers...and theres its limitation as a " groove box" - all in one gear. MPC is much limited for those who wants to modulates sounds / synth ....
Hi, thanks for watching - in this case, I have to disagree slightly. MPC in it's modern incarnation is basically a VST host / Linux computer, and depending on which plugin you use, the synth engines are more (OPX4) or less complicated (Juno). The RS7000 is more hands-on as it's user interface is much better with it's 1:1 knobs and buttons, so it's more fun to play.
Shure ...MPC is actually a computer DAW. But Theres no faders or controling knobs enough for shaping sounds like a Synth.....Its a hard deep dive into menus and assign faders...as a synth i do think MPC is not intend to it.......its not designed to work as a synth
Maybe use the same drum samples?
Thanks for watching! That would've been the icing on the cake, but filming this took way more time than I had planned and I just wanted to push this out of the door. :-)
The MPC One for me, but not by much.
Thanks! It sounds more "precise" (I'm a bit lost for words here).
Did the same with a syntakt, i returned the syntakt in the end. **shrugs
RS7000 is a great box no doubt. (Though I favour MPC personally, it's a great DAW without the distraction factor of a Tablet or PC)
I Love the RS7000! But the new Akai ist better….
Thanks for watching! I'm not going to disagree with you there. :)
obvious difference..The Yamaha is for those who are not going to just rip records to make beat collages..The Yamaha is for songs, more towards electronic/fusion jazz workouts...Plus, you can easily see more control over synthesis..
I agree insofar that the RS7000 is 1) more hands-on and 2) a great instrument for making music overall, but the MPC is a complete DAW and can all in all do a lot more things than the RS7000. Maybe this video format didn't show that enough, and maybe it's because the video is quite old now and MPC One received tons of updates in the meantime. But nowadays, it's my go-to device for making songs free of distractions. ;-)
That being said, I love Yamahas late 90s/ early 2000s instruments. I've tried a lot of those on my channel and all of these instruments were innovative, somewhat experimental and forward-looking.
@@mr_floydst i explored the MPC4000 at a friends' house, and it's a great machine..By the time the MPC5000 was out, here started a lot of bugs,and I need machines that just work. I have the Roland M8800 and I like what it can do,work standalone or with computers,etc. I already has the ASR10 and that's my undisputed fav when I spin live on the turntables. I have only used my Tracker standalone so I dont personally know it's ability to work with computers yet.I had the Yamaha A4000 yet i gave that away with all that menu diving,and actually someone needed a sampler.I would be interested to see the EX5/7, the Isla2400, and whatever innovative might be out..
I'm guessing menu diving is bout the same ? I would stick to Yamaha haha. I prefer fun with knobs
MPC is a DAW, so you're working with the screen a lot, and there are thousands of menu screens depending on the complexity of your project. MPC has a clever "group of 4" control assignment scheme which always assigns the knobs to the screen you're looking at.
So, all in all, there's more menu diving on MPC, but it's always clear what you're looking at and how to get somewhere.
I know which one I like better! *Runs to reverb, searches the rs7000, sees cheapest one is $1800 + 200$ shipping from France + tax, sighs heavily* I guess it's the mpc one 😔. No but Really though it's cool to see how capable some of these old grooveboxes are, I really didn't expect unlimited automation in overdub mode on the rs7000 as well as slow but capable timestretch.
Hi, thanks for watching! Uhm, $1800 is quite the announcement, so good luck to the seller with that. On eBay they go for around 650. I managed to pick up mine for around 250, but with a broken screen... And I think even that 650 price tag is a bit high. 450 would be an ok price.
@@mr_floydstyou're right $450 is very reasonable! I think reverb has been running a little high for just about everything lately 😂. To be fair to the reverb seller it did get discounted to 1500 + 200 shipping, but it's still high for what it is. I'll definitely watch eBay prices more often for vintage gear, I didn't realize there was such a discrepancy, but eBay is looking like the place to go for vintage. Enjoying the vids as always 👍👍👍
Mpc is meh for this.. i have 5 mpc.. old new.. for this sounds. The rs and roland are the ones for goa. That tight rs clock tho. 0 jitter like akai. But we love em all right:p
Thanks for sharing your insight! I think that's the essence of most of the comments on this video. I'm just a random CZcams dude and not a professional musician, so what do I know ;-)
MPC has it's strength in being a portable, no-nonsense DAW in it's current iteration. If you tend to be distracted by all the computer stuff on an actual computer, that's a nice thing to have.
@@mr_floydst very true. I have the x and taking it for forest raves and dungeons live hardware. It has its sins it does died on Me twice and frozen. And all that back and forth worflow makes me hate it all the time wanting me to throw it away right at the pisser doom haha but on a good day and with my jomox 999 next to it all thru an elysia and tc electronics units. Man they boom any sound system proper.
I am the same as you brother. We just ex vinylists and ex djs seeking redemption away from pc and daws and practical enthusiasts that's all . I love your channel ive discover it today. Keep em coming.
ahhhh i was there... trying to trade MPC one for RS7000... no such fool existed in the world... i mean MPC is cool but RS7000 is a classic device with distinct OG sound
Thanks for watching! I get that, but I also think that MPC gets way too much Flak. :-) It's the only hardware box that makes producing complete songs without pc/tablets possible. If you don't get the sound you're looking for out of it then most likely you have missed something :)
@@mr_floydst MPC is not bad at all, no hate whatsoever, but it simply don't have that retro-sound that i'm after, but i have a hunch that in 10 years time it will retro too!
But the rub is the music style is also from 20 years ago so both machines should be able to produce it well. Lol 😝
Thanks for watching. Yup, I'm catching up rather slowly. ;-)
@@mr_floydst All music is an experience, and tells a person’s story. I enjoyed it! Thanks for the post!
RS7000 sounded musically nicer than the mpc
Thanks for watching! I think both sounded good. Yamaha certainly likes BASS in their D/A converters. ;)
The Yamaha RS7000 has better time stretching ability, it locked to the beat better.
Thanks for watching! Or my timing was really bad. ;-)
@@mr_floydst Lol
Boring
polite
Not as boring as a bored troll though haha. I hope you got over yourself eventually Tony.