Thanks for the video. An interesting finding is some people are posterior weight bearing which has to do with their spines. These people tend to wear their sock heels out in street shoes and they tend to be unable to get a lot of pressure forward. A small lift under their insole and under the heel is a big help getting pressure onto the balls of the feet.
I have an "absurd" amount of dorsiflextion; is there any boot with low ramp angle and generous forward lean that you would recommend to me? I'm currently riding the softest flex version of the full tilt descendant. I basically don't even set the power strap and set the top buckle super loose so I can flex the tongue piece and get the dorsiflexion I need. Obviously this sloppy connection to the boot is not ideal, but on steep terrain or at high speeds i am able to flex the tongue adequately to lock my unusually narrow heel into the pocket. For this reason, full tilts have been far and away more skiiable than anything else i've tried, because when they do flex, the don't deform in a way that squashes my VERY high instep, flattening my arch, the way that 2-piece boots do. I wish I had stuck with the classic raichle mold, like my previous pair of drop kicks, because it's flex charicteristic was even better at keeping flex pressure off the instep, but, topping off the list of unusual foot traits, I have an extremely wide toe, which is why I opted for the descendant at the time. Boots have been a lifelong struggle for me. I can feel how it holds my skiing back, and makes me more prone to knee injury. help me please!
Thanks a lot for your help. I recently noticed this when I switched to Full Tilt ski boots; original shell. the toe height must be lifted so much that it creates a feeling of having something lifting your toes and a weird angle for me. I can typically carve fast GS turns with no problem. Also, I bought longer skis...178 - 》187 ....could it be that I am just not strong enough to drive/bend the ski?
Hey there. Ive found your video very instructive and I wanted to ask; I’ve been struggling with too much forward lean and haven’t found the right boots. I’ve been taking advanced ski lessons and my instructor pointed it out as well. I have a lot of dorsiflexion and thin calf muscles, so I’m order to engage the ski fully when going fast. I have a pair of Fischer Vacum 130 and it’s horrible. We lit the spoiler at the front over the shin. So my Scott Cosmos III are 110 and I feel I can engage the edge with less effort. Any suggestions for Alpine ski boots?
Hi, great video! I'm currently skiing a nordica speedmachine 120 with a forward lean of 12° and I only ski on piste. I feel that i would benefit from a much higher forward lean, it feels like I get pushed back too much. How much more angle does a spoiler give and what do you think about the heelpad?
I have the same boot but with a 130 flex. I added a spoiler and it really helps with my ski tip pressure and never get kicked into the back seat. I like the boot tight for carving and looser for off piste. I continue to play around with the settings to get them right. I have 20 days full days on them so far.
Hello, finally have my boots fitting perfectly after a lot of experimenting. The issue I have now is I do feel slightly in the back seat. I do have heel wedges in my liner, I don't want to mess with the fit volume wise. My boot is the Salomon X-Max Race 120 which has a fairly upright stance, and furthermore I don't want to mess with such a good fit. Would bindings with a steep ramp angle help in this situation?
Hey, thank You for explanation :) I have measured 24 degrees range of ankle motion. My boots are setup on 14 which should be right in the middle(the mechanism of boots alowing setup from 10 to 18). Do you think its fine or should I go for 10 degree setup? Thanks mate
Hi Andrej, yeah great mobility that you have! I would think that you would benefit from setting your cuff a bit more upright. But it is always best to experiment to see what feels best for you. :) Set the cuff to 10 for a few days and see how it responds. It should help you find a good balance point. If it doesnt improve, you can always change it back, but go for what feels best when skiing!! Cheers
I am having a hard time driving the front of ski due to toe height adjustment on Marker Griffon Bindings - definitely not my boot; as I can flex no problem. Should I add heel wedge under my ski boot liner? or would a different binding help?
+Froggy Definitely something you can experiment with. A wedge is a quick, cheap option to see if it would help. Binding wise, the toe height from the ski is about 20mm on the griffon. Other bindings in the same realm will sit lower, such as the fks, sth, are about 14mm. This is a fairly big difference. Also consider the mounting position as moving the binding forward can help too.
Hi, I have skied almost my whole life. I ski hard and love quick fast turns . I had kids and took like 5 years off. Back in the scene,a little older now but still thrashing like the old days but so off balance l just can’t get foreword on my skis. I have some Volkl bash 89 w marker jester bindings. Dalbello panterra boots. No forward lean adjustment “2018 version “ You said bindings could be an issue as well. If anyone can help would be great. I feel like a beginner standing straight up when I’m hauling ass and off balance when hitting jumps. I pray I don’t all of a sudden just suck because of my age but I’m feeling that I need to lean way further foreward. Any boot/binding tips or brands to go with would be greatly appreciated.
Race/slalom style boots with plenty of forward lean might help you. I try voykl ski's when there's a demo day at my local ski field I always find them difficult. The bindings are back to far for me. I never tried the race tiger would like to. I ski on piste mostly on Fischer RC4 carving. I can not get going hard into turns without forward leaning boots personally.
I want to experiment with a spoiler for a bit more forward lean and to reduce some volume. Where can I get my hands on a spoiler if my boots did not come with one? What materials can I use to possibly make my own spoiler?
Hi Aaron, If you have a ski shop near by it is highly probable they would have some available either very cheap or free. A tongue shim will also work well for reducing the volume in the cuff. If you have no luck finding any, please let me know and Ill gladly send you some spoilers. If you would like to make your own I would recommend an EVA foam. In fact you could grind the bottom of a tongue shim to match the shape of a spoiler. Thanks Craig
Patriot Footbeds Hey, thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I've already got some tongue shim action going on but I have super low volume feet so while my well fitting boots fit well I feel as if I need just a bit more material behind my calves, so I'm thinking some small foam inserts behind my boot liner will be perfect for a bit more forward lean and a bit less volume. I've seen sheets of EVA foam online, where can I get that cheaply? I don't need much of it. Will a local shop sell me some if I ask? Looking at my boots, I think an existing spoiler will be too big.
Aaron Shaver Hi Aaron, No problems. Yeah i totally agree with you for the solution if a spoiler is too big. Some foam there will work a treat. I can help you with it. Send me an email at info@patriotfootbeds.com and ill reply with some pictures and instruction. Thanks
QUESTION-Thanks for the video. I have just purchased several tongue shims from you guys just recently. They seem good and looking to see how they feel soon. I wanted to add some rear spoilers to my Tecnica Mach 1 MV 120's. Question is regarding placement of a rear spoiler in a ski boot. If you raise or lower the rear spoiler above or below the plastic rear of the boot does the higher you raise it increase the forward lead and conversely if lowered? Please explain the information regarding the functions of spielers. Thanks in advance! Tom
Been binging your videos lately...great stuff! I just bought a 130 K2 Recon boot, but it's forcing all my weight to my heels, resulting in back tail skiing...even if I try to leaning forward, or extra knee bend...having a real hard time getting pressure onto my toes. Is it as simple as getting a heal bed?
@@PatriotFootbeds Thanks! I started with spoilers to void the calf gap, but it seemed to cause it's own issues including being uncomfortable, and awkward stance...and still felt as though my heals were heavy. I measured the foot bed and showed 0 degrees, compared to my old salomons which showed 2 degrees.
What are today's boot models allowing 15 deg flexion range ? I'm looking at improving my ankle flexion looking for a boot with natural high foward lean but also a wide last of 110. What would be the most appropriate boot in the market today ?
Hi Yoni, Sorry for the delay, I missed this message. I would suggest fore next season, look at the new Salomon S Pro HV, the Atomic Hawx Magna, or the Head Edge LYT. All three should provide what you are after and be good for widening to your wider feet. Cheers
Have you tried the spoiler without the wedge, or the other way? Sometimes that will have a better effect. Also some spoilers will be better than others. Which boot are you in mate?
Thanks for the video. An interesting finding is some people are posterior weight bearing which has to do with their spines. These people tend to wear their sock heels out in street shoes and they tend to be unable to get a lot of pressure forward. A small lift under their insole and under the heel is a big help getting pressure onto the balls of the feet.
It's been a long time since I have laughed as hard as i did from your dorsiflexion animation. 10/10
As always an excellent explanation and well done vid, hope you're enjoying the season 👍🏽
Very useful and informative. Thanks!
Thanks Sarah, glad you liked it.:)
Great intro
Brilliant! Thank you so much!
Thanks Nina
Thank you for this video.
I would like to know what is the difference between forward lean classic method and new method.
I have an "absurd" amount of dorsiflextion; is there any boot with low ramp angle and generous forward lean that you would recommend to me?
I'm currently riding the softest flex version of the full tilt descendant. I basically don't even set the power strap and set the top buckle super loose so I can flex the tongue piece and get the dorsiflexion I need. Obviously this sloppy connection to the boot is not ideal, but on steep terrain or at high speeds i am able to flex the tongue adequately to lock my unusually narrow heel into the pocket. For this reason, full tilts have been far and away more skiiable than anything else i've tried, because when they do flex, the don't deform in a way that squashes my VERY high instep, flattening my arch, the way that 2-piece boots do. I wish I had stuck with the classic raichle mold, like my previous pair of drop kicks, because it's flex charicteristic was even better at keeping flex pressure off the instep, but, topping off the list of unusual foot traits, I have an extremely wide toe, which is why I opted for the descendant at the time.
Boots have been a lifelong struggle for me. I can feel how it holds my skiing back, and makes me more prone to knee injury. help me please!
Thanks a lot for your help. I recently noticed this when I switched to Full Tilt ski boots; original shell.
the toe height must be lifted so much that it creates a feeling of having something lifting your toes and a weird angle for me. I can typically carve fast GS turns with no problem.
Also, I bought longer skis...178 - 》187 ....could it be that I am just not strong enough to drive/bend the ski?
Hey there. Ive found your video very instructive and I wanted to ask; I’ve been struggling with too much forward lean and haven’t found the right boots. I’ve been taking advanced ski lessons and my instructor pointed it out as well. I have a lot of dorsiflexion and thin calf muscles, so I’m order to engage the ski fully when going fast. I have a pair of Fischer Vacum 130 and it’s horrible. We lit the spoiler at the front over the shin. So my Scott Cosmos III are 110 and I feel I can engage the edge with less effort. Any suggestions for Alpine ski boots?
Hi, great video! I'm currently skiing a nordica speedmachine 120 with a forward lean of 12° and I only ski on piste. I feel that i would benefit from a much higher forward lean, it feels like I get pushed back too much. How much more angle does a spoiler give and what do you think about the heelpad?
Hi Alexander, Yeah depending on which spoiler you can utilise, on average you can get about 2 degrees more of forward lean.
I have the same boot but with a 130 flex. I added a spoiler and it really helps with my ski tip pressure and never get kicked into the back seat. I like the boot tight for carving and looser for off piste. I continue to play around with the settings to get them right. I have 20 days full days on them so far.
Hello, finally have my boots fitting perfectly after a lot of experimenting. The issue I have now is I do feel slightly in the back seat. I do have heel wedges in my liner, I don't want to mess with the fit volume wise. My boot is the Salomon X-Max Race 120 which has a fairly upright stance, and furthermore I don't want to mess with such a good fit. Would bindings with a steep ramp angle help in this situation?
Hey, thank You for explanation :) I have measured 24 degrees range of ankle motion. My boots are setup on 14 which should be right in the middle(the mechanism of boots alowing setup from 10 to 18). Do you think its fine or should I go for 10 degree setup? Thanks mate
Hi Andrej, yeah great mobility that you have! I would think that you would benefit from setting your cuff a bit more upright. But it is always best to experiment to see what feels best for you. :) Set the cuff to 10 for a few days and see how it responds. It should help you find a good balance point. If it doesnt improve, you can always change it back, but go for what feels best when skiing!! Cheers
I am having a hard time driving the front of ski due to toe height adjustment on Marker Griffon Bindings - definitely not my boot; as I can flex no problem.
Should I add heel wedge under my ski boot liner?
or would a different binding help?
+Froggy Definitely something you can experiment with. A wedge is a quick, cheap option to see if it would help. Binding wise, the toe height from the ski is about 20mm on the griffon. Other bindings in the same realm will sit lower, such as the fks, sth, are about 14mm. This is a fairly big difference. Also consider the mounting position as moving the binding forward can help too.
Hi, I have skied almost my whole life. I ski hard and love quick fast turns . I had kids and took like 5 years off. Back in the scene,a little older now but still thrashing like the old days but so off balance l just can’t get foreword on my skis.
I have some Volkl bash 89 w marker jester bindings. Dalbello panterra boots. No forward lean adjustment “2018 version “
You said bindings could be an issue as well.
If anyone can help would be great. I feel like a beginner standing straight up when I’m hauling ass and off balance when hitting jumps. I pray I don’t all of a sudden just suck because of my age but I’m feeling that I need to lean way further foreward.
Any boot/binding tips or brands to go with would be greatly appreciated.
Race/slalom style boots with plenty of forward lean might help you. I try voykl ski's when there's a demo day at my local ski field I always find them difficult. The bindings are back to far for me. I never tried the race tiger would like to. I ski on piste mostly on Fischer RC4 carving. I can not get going hard into turns without forward leaning boots personally.
I want to experiment with a spoiler for a bit more forward lean and to reduce some volume. Where can I get my hands on a spoiler if my boots did not come with one? What materials can I use to possibly make my own spoiler?
Hi Aaron, If you have a ski shop near by it is highly probable they would have some available either very cheap or free. A tongue shim will also work well for reducing the volume in the cuff. If you have no luck finding any, please let me know and Ill gladly send you some spoilers. If you would like to make your own I would recommend an EVA foam. In fact you could grind the bottom of a tongue shim to match the shape of a spoiler. Thanks Craig
Patriot Footbeds patriotfootbeds.com/products/tongue-shim
Patriot Footbeds Hey, thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I've already got some tongue shim action going on but I have super low volume feet so while my well fitting boots fit well I feel as if I need just a bit more material behind my calves, so I'm thinking some small foam inserts behind my boot liner will be perfect for a bit more forward lean and a bit less volume. I've seen sheets of EVA foam online, where can I get that cheaply? I don't need much of it. Will a local shop sell me some if I ask? Looking at my boots, I think an existing spoiler will be too big.
Aaron Shaver Hi Aaron, No problems. Yeah i totally agree with you for the solution if a spoiler is too big. Some foam there will work a treat. I can help you with it. Send me an email at info@patriotfootbeds.com and ill reply with some pictures and instruction. Thanks
Patriot Footbeds Sorry Aaron, just to be clear. I have foam. I will send you foam.:)
QUESTION-Thanks for the video. I have just purchased several tongue shims from you guys just recently. They seem good and looking to see how they feel soon. I wanted to add some rear spoilers to my Tecnica Mach 1 MV 120's. Question is regarding placement of a rear spoiler in a ski boot. If you raise or lower the rear spoiler above or below the plastic rear of the boot does the higher you raise it increase the forward lead and conversely if lowered? Please explain the information regarding the functions of spielers. Thanks in advance! Tom
Thank Tom, I will do a dedicated video on spoilers and yes you are completely correct on placement and height directly affecting your forward lean! :)
Been binging your videos lately...great stuff!
I just bought a 130 K2 Recon boot, but it's forcing all my weight to my heels, resulting in back tail skiing...even if I try to leaning forward, or extra knee bend...having a real hard time getting pressure onto my toes. Is it as simple as getting a heal bed?
Thanks Ben! Sometimes it will make all the difference.
If you can source a Spoiler, I would start with that first.
@@PatriotFootbeds Thanks! I started with spoilers to void the calf gap, but it seemed to cause it's own issues including being uncomfortable, and awkward stance...and still felt as though my heals were heavy. I measured the foot bed and showed 0 degrees, compared to my old salomons which showed 2 degrees.
What are today's boot models allowing 15 deg flexion range ? I'm looking at improving my ankle flexion looking for a boot with natural high foward lean but also a wide last of 110. What would be the most appropriate boot in the market today ?
Hi Yoni,
Sorry for the delay, I missed this message.
I would suggest fore next season, look at the new Salomon S Pro HV, the Atomic Hawx Magna, or the Head Edge LYT.
All three should provide what you are after and be good for widening to your wider feet.
Cheers
new boots with 13 degree forward lean and 4.5 degree ramp angle. added heal lift and spoiler. still feel to upright anything else to doubt?
Have you tried the spoiler without the wedge, or the other way? Sometimes that will have a better effect. Also some spoilers will be better than others. Which boot are you in mate?
Hahaha the intro