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TECH VIDEO OF THE YEAR.
It’s Tim Apple too,. Don’t forget… 😅
Definitely! This video gave me chills! Jon went from the official Apple leaker with good humor to a top tech video maker. And I’m glad he didn’t lose that humorous side too. Will never miss one of his videos again (at least while he keeps delivering these gems)
Agreed
I say stop selling apple products in the EU’s 27 countries.
truth
This is the worst take on tech regulations. If you were actually in the tech industry you would know that these policies are sustainable.
It's amazing listening to the mind of apple fans trying to justify the company's decisions.
@@kekagiso are you trynna say that Apple cannot make good decisions?
@@donDanDeNiro I'm talking about justifying decisions that are ultimately bad for the customer.
Finally someone makes sense
Totally agreed. Going down the walled garden approach only harms users and stifles innovation. We've already seen it... smartphones are boring because there is no competition.
USB-C and future removable batteries are very welcome changes. Fighting against it is peak apple fanboyism. Having said that, obviously there has to be a line when it comes to opening the echo system software wise.
Ecosystem*
we don't care bout your `merican values over here
Maybe for you… i do not want to swap batteries. That was flip phone days. And it is the SOLE REASON why I didn’t get a Galaxy S 3. I instead stuck with apple and got my 2nd iPhone the 5…
I do not want an android experience on my iPhone.
@@sprinkleddonuts6094 so just don't swap em. also, androids have fixed too, for years now
@@ViktorDelevski nah i want a phone like i have now… you guys can go buy an android that you CAN REPLACE the battery
I‘m a iPhone user. I ask for this. And after the news of their malicious compliance I hope the DMA gets even more strict and broader in range (to include more big companies that threaten open source devs and fan-organized activities).
and i'm with you
Yep. This is a smooth brain take from FPT.
@@Aether-Entropy brain take means??
@@XashA12Muskit’s “smooth brain” take, just means a terrible take without looking at many sides or just sticking to their own beliefs
Wow, peak iSheep video. They charge extra for proprietary cables that charge even slower than USB C, not only that, they make small variations making obsoletete their previous propietary cables, this isn't good for the consumer nor the environment. Having a universal charging and data transfer cable is the best for everybody
Ok. Don't buy it.. 😂
@@AndreFTSG don't worry, I'll never will. That's literally what "vote with your wallet" means
lmfao, the fact that you clicked this video with this title but got upset shows that you’re simply just hating. cause why else are you even here?
@@itaintcal dude I'm not remotely upset, it's a big ass corporation and the video stated "it was the end of it", it was clickbaity enough to get my attention. Little did I know that the guy thinks that the EU will be Apple's downfall.
They will keep selling like hot cakes and continue their hipocresy about being "environmentally friendly" or pro consumer when they are also being forced to let people do their own repairs and weld components to their motherboard to prevent upgrades.
@@JEscobarSV i honestly agree with you on that. too bad their ecosystem is good, otherwise i wouldn’t be locked in
No Jon you lost me with this one. Apple is and will continue to be successful because of their tight integration between hardware and software paired with unparalleled attention to detail. Not because of their monopolistic and anticompetitive practices. Competition drives innovation. Switching to usb-c was a great move for consumers and be able to sideload apps will be a great win for everyone especially developers. Apple will be fine they worth one trillion dollars after all
Not to mention the video has some basic facts completely wrong too - the EU is not a government.
Actually you are incorrect the EU is in fact a government just not a single state, they are in principle a Representative Democracy, and in fact have their own executive, legislative and judicial branches and each member state agrees to follow the laws set forth by the EU parliament.
And how is that integration between hard and software going to work if we can sideload and app or appstore on an iphone as what the EU wants? We'll end up with an Android phone.
And as for the competition argument, competition is what we have now. Not when everyone is forced to be the same.
@@thomas_xsg Apple is most likely going to make it a setting that you have to manually switch on to allow sideloading on an iPhone. Sideloading is on the Mac and that has worked perfectly fine for many years, what's the big difference with the iPhone? Sideloading is only a win for the consumer and the developer.
As Mr. Spock once remarked “sauce for the goose”. I don’t know about the EU but in the US we have had antitrust laws for at least 100 years. Companies like AT&T and IBM were forced to open their platforms to their competitors. Companies like Apple and Microsoft benefitted from that. It is fine to hold a position against all antitrust laws and actions but not to apply the same laws only to some companies and let others get a free pass.
Exactly! The guy in this video acts like an offended virgin. I would even say he has a stake in the company, but probably not. Just another offended person from the Apple camp.
nuh uh
@@Sunderas what?
Yeah but he just likes to be a crybaby
I think they are paid licensing fees for their tech. This isn’t the same thing. Forcing Apple to use usb-c is different. Although Symbian OS was open source the EU didn’t tell them what features or standards to adopt.
Damn, this is some great Apple astroturfing. I almost believed it was genuine for the first couple of minutes.
very possible, but OTOH Apple stans are just very dumb
Imagine if you could just take your USB-C iPhone and connect it to any computer and edit your photos/videos on any 3rd party-sideloaded app and post it wherever you like. Wouldn't that be crazy, it'd be like you actually own your $1000+ phone.
Yeah, i don't see this as a problem for anyone exept for appels wallet to be honest! Totaly agree with you
@@AggeNoobApple* and also it’s not a problem for Apple they just would rather not be given demands just like everyone else
you could just do that on android.
@@ibanezlaney There’s multiple different types that all are meant for individual purposes but are the same size and shape meaning either you’ll get one meant for charging or you could get one meant for uploading and random things that don’t need to be used on phones. Also if you charge your phone with one that is meant for something else than charging it’s gonna take forever to charge😂
The MacBook has side loading without an issue. I’m sure they can manage the iPhone without it loosing their identity
True but you'll notice they're more macbooks with spyware and viruses as compared to the iPhone. Ro me it seems that the EU wants to open everything about the apples ecosystem like the same way they do to their borders
True, the exaggerations in this video is unreal. 😂
The problem lies in the potential consequences of allowing side loading on the number 1 phone in the U.S. When this happens, it opens the door for companies whose primary business model revolves around tracking and monetizing user data, such as Meta and Google. They can circumvent the App Store, which is known for its stringent privacy regulations enforced by Apple.
A notable example is when Apple implemented changes that required apps to request user consent for tracking, resulting in a significant blow to Meta's stock. Meta, like other data-centric companies, would go to great lengths to avoid such privacy restrictions.
The concern here is that we may end up with a situation similar to a cluttered Windows gaming PC, where different game launchers like EA, Epic Games, Riot Games, Blizzard, and more are scattered all over. This could lead to a fragmented and less secure user experience on our smartphones, which is far from ideal.
@neobow1 no one tracks and use your data to generate revenue more than APPLe 😂😂😂 Apple is all up in your personal stuff so what are you talking about? Iphones are not private as apple uses your information the way they want and you cannot change anything about it so stop it.
@@neobow1mac doesn’t have this problem and it does great w sideloading
If I remember correctly, this isn't about consumer choice. It was about the environment and how Apple is causing people to buy chargers separate from the universal standard that Androids bring. I believe this is more about creating a seamless experience for everyone regardless of the device they own.
Yep, it would've been awsome to ban single-use plastics on the EU level as well!
Even if its was for that reason for some of the corporations you give them an inch they take a mile and if this was a test to see if they could make apple do it even if it’s for the reason you stated they will go after a lot more
You get a cable in the box and almost everyone nowdays uses a usb-c brick, don't really see a point in it being bad for the environment.
Not just Android. Tons of devices use USB-C now.
Exactly 💯
Dude, breaking down that wall will do nothing but help apple users. They'll still have that same ecosystem they can take advantage of, but on top of that a plethora of more options. The whole "security" argument is quite hollow and really could just be solved with a switch in the settings on the off chance that the grandmas who use iPhones don't download something malicious
They already do it on the mac. You sideload something, you have to go to your security settings to open it, because it may be unsecure. But then you can open it. Why not the same on iPhone? I imagine endless possibilities.
What's weird is that if you look back, Apple implemented (and helped develop) USB-C fairly early, but for some reason they expected everyone to continue to use USB 2.0 speed Lightning cables. Even the iPad got USB-C 5 years ago!! It sure was nice when even if I didn't have a phone charger handy I could just plug in my iPad charger instead. They deleted the headphone jack. They have been anti right to repair. They refuse to implement RCS (rather than switching to SMS) when Apple users text anyone other than Apple users. Tim Cook snarkily told someone to buy their grandmother an iPhone.
Surely if user security was a top priority they would be concerned about their users texting the majority of the world without iPhones. I applaud their refusal to break encryption for any government, or share private user data, but they left this huge vulnerability in place.
The point I'm trying to make is they have given their haters SO much ammunition. They failed to think tactically and now it's coming back to bite them. I do not support what the EU is trying to do, even though I was glad to see USB-C in the iPhone a reality.
Disclaimer: This is a multi-platform household. We have PC's, Macs, iPhones, iPads, and Android phones.
Lightning is only usb 2.0. You had to buy ipad pro to get usb type C, 4 years ago.
Why don't you support what the EU is trying to do? Could you elaborate on that?
@CrisssCross they're trying to break the entire business model Apple uses. They have always operated as a closed garden, and it seems to me that the EU is basically being a bully.
While I don't really oppose these features being enabled, I oppose forcing them with legislation unless they are actually breaking laws (antitrust, anticompetitive, financial, monopolizing, collusion, etc.), not just because one guy has a personal vendetta.
Personal vendetta? If I remember correctly, a large number of people need to vote for it to pass.
@Obstidian nobody in the EU voted for this. Officials made the call
Holy shit. This is the best FPT video. Very well said and I hope more people start talking about this.
Agree… and if this keeps going..we will look back on this and it will too late. Too far gone.. incrementalism at its best
Another example of gross government overreach and people celebrate it which is baffling.
Agreed.
Me too
A great video excluding the part where FPT complained that Apple actually gave in to using a better port and how companies can actually be answerable to government oversight.
Look, I agree that the recent EU consideration to simply tell Apple to open up its platform for 3rd party apps is straying from the actually good pro-repair laws and I get that this is the main point of the video. But to liken the USB-C port to something as nefarious as the beginning of the "giving a mouse a cookie" is stupid when it is, in every way, superior to the lightning port it replaced. Heck, Apple contributed to most of the engineering prowess behind USB-C. And 9:10-10:00 just sounds like every company when its trying to defend questionable practices - "Oh, this is how we work, why do we have to answer to laws?"
EDIT: After having done some reading on the Digital Markets Act, I think FTP actually has less points going for him than before I did the reading. DMA applies equally to all big tech companies, includes clauses that prevent monetisation of data and uphold privacy (which is FTP and Apple's main complaint), and does some pretty important work in making sure bigger companies can't just toss start-ups off the technology train before they even get a good grip. It seems to me that FTP has just bought into Apple's eternal claims of superior privacy, although I may be reading DMA wrong.
In the past 5 years I’ve gone through about 10 lighting cables. But my iPad Pro’s USB-C is still using the same cable after the same 5 years. That says a lot to me.
Sideloading can be a good thing! Emulators have been banned on the platform and those can make their debut. It’s also great for Open Source apps too! There could be a collection of FLOSS apps finally available too! Plus it’ll be disabled by default anyhow so Sideloading is no big deal for those that don’t want it. I’d love to see some good Music players for those that want to use MP3s without iTunes.
EDIT: Yes, Sideloading can be dangerous, and I'm sure Apple will have pop-up warnings that attempt to dissuade users from enabling it. These users may heed the warnings and back down. The rest of us will use Common sense and avoid "modded" versions of proprietary Apps.
can be?? it IS a good thing.
People could do that on android. Leave Apple alone for the rest of us. USB-C port and perhaps even removable battery is somewhat understandable. But dismantling the Apple walled garden is unacceptable to me
You're argument towards the end of the video makes no sense! Apple will still be a walled garden but with a option for sideloading
@@arisumegowhat if a user downloads the wrong side loaded app and ends up with malware, or bricks their phone etc. Apple will probably find a way to prevent this eventually or maybe there is already a way. But ultimately most things that are good also have a bad side.
@@gafsakg So what? thats your fault
For anyone thinking this is rational information : It's not! It's verry pro apple and pretty manipulative alongside that.
There is no reason why they shouldn't allow sideloading apps for enthusiasts who might want that. In fact, they could become a viable option for many users, for who, not beeing able to side load is allready a dealbreaker, by doing that. Some nerds want to programm their verry own apps just for themselfes, so why stop them from doing that?
For everyone else, the feature could be disabled by default. They could even say that you lose the security promises and what else is unique to their ecosystem, software wise, if you activate the feature.
Don't paint the picture black and white, cause it isn't.
I ve said this b4 even b4 the EU asked them to switch to type c, i said the security option and option to side load from third party stores or sites should be an option for the consumers to decide rather than default. Its like criticizing someone for buying or making a unique custom case for his iphone make it look different or jailbreaking its ios to tweak it as they like, a lot of apple users do that and its sad that apple ignores them and these customers are aware of android phones make no mistake
you can decide to not sideload apps by.... not sideloading them.
You can not to jailbreak an iPhone... By not buying iPhone
@@ahbarabraham6154bro it's cool if you want the default but some of us want more options. Sideloading won't break apple.
Exactly, nobody forces anyone not to use Apple apps.
My question is, why doesn’t anyone force Mercedes or Rolls Royce to depart from their company DNA? Apple has made great products and now the government wants to tell them how to change them. Something is wrong with that.
I don't get people defending not allowing sideloading. If you don't want to sideload, just don't do it, you are not obligated to sideload anything.
but haven't you hear what Tim Apple has said? if they open their app ecosystem to sideloading, it will then automatically mean that all Apple users data wil be hacked and be sold onto dark web.
or that is how Apple has painted the whole thing and sadly some people defending Apple clearly has bought their lies.
all i have to say to that is, if Apple can't make it so that sideloading is an opt-in feature like it is on Android.
then how safe that iOS really is then?
Biggest facts I've heard all day
Yeah, but that's not the point. If the EU keeps winning against Apple...Apple will have no control. Sideloading is JUST the beginning.
@@OscarZhou511 Yeah but these changes are good, we should stand with EU on this one. If EU does something bad we can side with apple. Siding with apple to help them maintain monopoly is just stupid.
@@sukhmandersingh4306I get what you're trying to say, but if people are choosing to use an iPhone, they just know that they're not going to get the customizability of Android. They're getting a polished iPhone.
I disagree man, sideloading should definitely be allowed and I'm glad EU is pushing for it. There's so many apps that could be on the App Store like emulators and fan-made games but because every app has to go through Apple's gates, this never happens. Sure put your warnings up, but definitely allow that freedom!
I mean imo you have the freedom to get another phone from another manufacturer that would allow these things.
@@C018y_ And you even can sideload nowadays "not confirmed" iOS apps, just marked as a developer app and the app works for 7 days before you have to connect the iPhone to the computer again to reactivate the app, so pretty unconvenient yet but still safe since the apps have as little low level access as legit app store apps.
It's not really companies allowing for that, it's more Apple making efforts to PREVENT that, so they are in control of the cash flow. Look at Mac, how well sideloading works. It is secure, and if you are not a fan, you just don't do it. These fundamentals of having freedom in virtual environments should be not dependent on a profit-orientated company.@@C018y_
@@C018y_ now he doesn't have to. Problem solved.
AltStore
Hiring Brian was the best thing you’ve ever done. He’s changed your channel for the better.
Who's Brian?
@@kl2991 Is this a joke? If you genuinely don’t know….
14:28 Brian aka bern is Jon’s best friend who was with him from the start of FPT.
FPT always has been jern+bern.
Jern shoots the video, bern edits, makes it funny, censors controversy, add annotations, export and upload it.
Around 2020-22 they had a misunderstanding and went ways apart. Recently jon hired Brian shoop as the writer of fpt. Most if not All the fart jokes we enjoy are written by bern.
He is the other part of FPT we don’t see.
If you wanna know bern better listen to the recycled bin podcast where jern and bern hangout.
@@sriraamkrishnanthey actually split from each other for 2 years due to John moving out of state (and his previous engagement to Corina Garcia). When John and Corina split, Bern came back into the picture
@@sriraamkrishnanwho’s Brian?
@@slob5041your daddy
Wow. I actually saw a video of someone protecting the monopoly of Apple. Apple is already a different company. Their values changed from making the best product to making the most profit while still keeping their reputation. If Steve Jobs was still alive he would have stopped selling iPhones in the EU but for Tim Cook its too much sales to miss for him so he complies with the regulations because he has no choice. You said it will come to whose market is more important to who but obviously the European market is a lot more important to Apple than Apple to the European market. Btw I heard somewhere that sideloading is available in IOS 17.
exactly
I don't undersrand what the issue about sideloading is. Like, you don't have to sideload shit if you don't want to. Boom! You're still secure!
I don't undersrand what the issue about sideloading is. Like, you don't have to sidleload shit if apple doesn't wanna do it than don't make them do it. Boom! You're still welcome to buy any device you want!
The issue is the government is telling them they have to do it because the government thinks it can control everything. We are smart we have brains and we know what we want and we know how to shop for our preferences in a phone or anything else we buy dont let the government make everything the same, sounds boring.
It hadn't started in 2021 by EU mandate. It was the voluntary agreement in 2009 that "standardized" USB connectors in phones (first micro-USB, then USB-C). Almost all adopted it, but Apple. That is why it is just Apple that needs to change now; that is why it had to be a mandate. The rest of the market adopted standard USB connectors a way ago.
There is a major flaw in the USB-C line in this video. Apple hasn't been the only one targeted by this regulation, and it didn't start in 2021. The idea is way older than that.
Do you remember the time before the iPhone? Phone manufacturers like Nokia, Ericson, Siemens, Motorola, and so on all had their own charging/data ports. In 2009, the biggest mobile phone producers of that time made an agreement with the EU to use a common charging port, the micro-USB. Since around 2011, most of the market has adopted standard micro-USB connectors. No hard regulation, no enforcement. Almost all but Apple ...
Instead, Apple came with the Lightning. Basically, the proprietary two-sided USB 2.0 with added accessory identification and licensed by Apple. Technically, there is almost no benefit to the user over micro-USB (apart from the two-sided design). However, there is a huge benefit for Apple - license fees and a higher price tag. Anti-customer behaviour in my book. Also, it was a bit funny to hear from Apple that the USB-C mandate would hold innovation when they are the ones still using USB 2.0 (in their connector).
As for the sideloading, it is just an option. If you want to sideload, you will be able to do so in a few clicks. Android does have sideloading, but it doesn't mean that most users use it. We will see how it will go - the EU doesn't like to get screwed, and this halfway compliance usually ends up with fines.
great comment, thank you
This goes against what Steve Jobs believed in. The secluded OS etc with Apple is what makes it special. Man Steve is rolling in his grave.
There’s no evidence supporting your theory of Steve Jobs rolling in his grave. It’s more likely that he’s stayed very still.
Steve Jobs literally said that FaceTime and iMessage will be open to all when it was announced.
@@dollarn9neand then it wasn’t sadly
@@rokie-senseiaccording to who?
Huge Apple fan but Apple went to shit since Steve died
Jon, not sure what has happened, but your videos of late have been absolutely some of the best on CZcams. I am so impressed by the content, editing, and vantage point. Truly compelling and excellent in subject and presentation. Keep it up sir!
No needs more violins
I absolutely agree with you on this one. I was a subscriber for a very brief period then unsubscribed cos it seemed a bit childish, then I can across his recent videos and he seems a lot more mature and insightful to me now, so I’m back to being a subscriber.
Great video editing but i have to say that i almost disagree with everything you've said.
I think usb c is great(although something can be said about if its here to stay or not,
but i hope by that point eu can maybe change that law, who knows we'll see)
Having batterys be replaceable by anyone is also a huge step forward(although for a while phones might be a bit less water resistant)
And i think opening up the walled garden is great for the consumer
Imo it's less of a slippery slope and more of a slide of success (at least so far)
Although i really have researched enough to be making this comment i hope i havent said anything too dumb 😅
You haven't said anything dumb, but I do side with Jon on this argument. The post is that a government should only be able to go so far when it comes to controlling how a private company handles its business. It's OK for you when it's for something you want or against a company you dislike, but when those governments come after something you care about. Also, regarding Apple's walled garden: if you dislike walled gardens, just go with Android. The EU have no business demanding Apple change their principles.
@@AzizRahman1 it's hard to balance consumer an companies rights when they are at odds at each other. For instance, I agree that the government shouldn't have forced Apple to adopt usb-c.
But if apple thinks iphones should use lightning, and I disagree, I should be allowed to open my iphone, de-solder the lightning connector and install a usb-c connector. It is complicated, and I could damage it, but I should be allowed to do it.
In the same vein, if apple thinks certain apps shouldn't be allowed and I disagree, I should be allowed to side load on my own risk.
Companies like GoPro and Insta have been putting removable batteries on waterproof electronics for years. It's not that hard for the biggest company in the world.
@@AzizRahman1You seem honest and not a shill, so I'll just assume you are too young to remember that ATT had a complete monopoly on the US phone network. ATT only allowed phones that they sold, using network security as the excuse, same as Apple. Luckily, the government stepped in and broke up the ATT monopoly. It's one of the functions of the government, which sadly is not used enough, allowing corporations to get too big and influential. So it's absolutely their business to regulate how business operate. If not, children would still be working in coal mines and workers would be dying in flammable factories.
Seriously, have you ever used any Apple product?
With the introduction of USB-C, it's been fantastic to have a wider array of options for port compatibility. Being able to sideload opens up numerous possibilities.
I'm currently enjoying playing retro games on my iPhone, all thanks to the AltStore loophole, a feat that wouldn't be achievable without sideloading. It has the potential to unlock various opportunities and might even entice Android users to consider giving Apple a try, which can be a positive development. I'd say, "Open the gates!"
yes! But Altstore is limited to only two apps and you have to re-install the apps every 7 days. Also, you need a computer to re-assign the apps. After a while, I didn't bother anymore.
thats why i wish we could side load like android, so we can even bypass the altstore being locked to only ios app store really limits the device as one has to obey the apple rules, but as we saw with the altstore device could do so much more.@@swifty1969
Why do people do this? Bro, you're missing the whole point. This is not about downloading an app and updated every two days the point he's making is there is limited possibilities with side loading apps. He just used that one example to prove a point and you're making a big deal about that and getting way out of context.
finally, someone who did 0.00001 bits or research and found out Altstore was a thing.
Great video. While I understand (and partially agree with) your point, I think that the option of sideloading applications would be great for some users. Perhaps the best implementation that would satisfy most users is if it were disabled by default with an option in Settings to enable it after going through a security warning prompt.
I don't think this would strip Apple of its "Appleness"; Mac OS has allowed the installation of non-App Store programs for years. This definitely is a pro-consumer move, and it's not like the EU would target Apple simply out of spite: rather, some of the actions Apple takes are simply anti-consumer. As someone who has owned Apple products for over a decade, I believe that this change as well as a possible integration with RCS-if handled correctly-would result in a better user experience.
In my opinion, the proposed changes seem perfectly reasonable. Having said that, I believe that there is a fine line between beneficial government regulation and overreach. While I support the EU's current legislation regarding Apple, if future mandates cross the line from pro-consumer regulation into the territory of unreasonable overreach, I hope Apple puts its foot down and refuses to comply.
I very much agree with you, great statement!
It needs powerful regulators like the EU commissioners to force Apple to become more consumer friendly. On the iPhone 15 Pro even the glass backs are serialized. That means no repair shop can switch the glass plate without Apple approval. They act like they own the iPhones, but the owner is the consumer. Apple will also force ALL smartphone manufacturers to make batteries easily replaceable by the consumer. Apple days that would harm protection against water, but that is a lie. You just need some rubber to make a phone water resistant.
sideloading especially for the pro models, like make it a thing
This is how it is done on all of the Android phones I have owned, you have to enable it per app store to allow it to install anything. Samsung phones by default have both google Play and their own Galaxy Store. To enable others, you have to download the APK, allow that app to be installed, then allow that app to install stuff. Basically you have multiple places you need to agree with installing them.
Difference is when Apple does it and something goes wrong or the person it's hacked or has malware the headline is Apple has a problem they get dragged. If it happens in android. They will say android has a problem never pointing at a certain company. Apple kind has to look at that. Sideloading on apple is just what everyone will do to get around the apple App Store and get your information that's what it will be used for and they will just pull their app from the store to not give you a choice. I think it's a slippery slope If you want to side load buy something that does it. Forcing apple to share. Imessage just is stupid. A company doesn't need to give up an asset to make other companies customers happy. As a business owner all of this rubs me the wrong way
I do agree with your message that a line must be drawn for governments abusing their power in this case. But saying side-loading is not pro-consumer is quite a reach. You want them to show you how side-loading is beneficial but you don't really say how no-side loading is beneficial other than saying you don't want an android like experience (which it doesn't have to be). No side loading just let's apple control and baby you on how to use a smartphone, virtually taking away your freedom of making your own decisions when you want to explore other options. Imagine buying a car, but it's designed to only take gas from Shell, I doubt anyone would appreciate buying from Shell when other gas stations may be cheaper. You haven't mentioned Macbooks which allows side-loading just like windows, if control top to down is what makes apple products great, why would they allow side-loading on a Macbook. I would wager you downloaded something from Safari rather than from the app store, according to your ideology you would prefer it if apple took away that option and only allowed you to download how they see fit. What if you need a driver to be installed? What if the app you need is not on the app store? I just don't see how not having freedom of something you purchase and own is better for you.
On my mac I can download and install Applications from anywhere. I don’t understand why it should not be possible to have the same freedom on my iPhone.
So the iPhone got USB-C 5 years before it normally would have? :)
Interesting approach. I feel what's left forgotten is MacOS. You can easily "sideload" applications and use numerous App Stores. So if they have successfully dodged the bullet there, I don't think there shall be an issue with other OS Apple has.
Exactly. If sideloading was so dangerous, why is it possible on a Mac?
Aside from that, if you don't want to sideload apps then it's your own decision to make. It is not being forced to each users.
I think they sell android phones that allow side loading if that’s what you’re looking for
@@applea.m.h.3560 People should not have to choose between freedom and privacy. They should get both at iOS and Android.
@@applea.m.h.3560 What a foolish response: the "If you don't agree with the President, why don't you leave America?" argument from low-IQ fanboys. Answer: THIS IS MY COUNTRY.
Just by having the option to sideload doesn't mean you have to. This can also be beneficial for users looking to get more out of their phone, for example, if someone wanted to install an emulator and play classic games such as Gameboy games on their phone, they'd have the option to do so. This can actually be beneficial to smart users, so I think it's unfair to assume that this would be bad for everyone, and it may even help some people become more tech savvy by introducing options that weren't previously available on their phone. Don't blame the phone for getting a virus: blame the user for downloading it. Who knows it may even teach some people accountability. I also think that this won't impact people that won't want it to, for example, android gives you the option to sideload, but it gives you a warning message before downloading something off that internet, so if a user doesn't feel comfortable with the download, they can decline the download. This does not force the user into downloading unwanted/malicious content onto their phone, but rather opens up the platform for those that feel restricted by it.
Totally agree. Common sense is the best security
@@JorossChrist I worked in a cellular retail space. I can promise that the majority of people I saw on a day to day couldn't figure out how to get into their phone because they couldn't remember the password/pin they had set. They also couldn't use the internet because they had turned off cellular signal in the quick menu. Most folks don't have common sense especially in the tech space.
Thank You bro this is the comment am Looking for Android gives you options 2 times first when downloading the app it gives you option to either accept or decline secondly while installing u have the option to allow any app instal an app for me I only give that option to my File app only it can install an app on my phone by me and then while installing it will ask u if you want to go on or decline u still have the Choice apple know they can make their phone secure at the same time adding sideloading they just lazy to do it
and yeah giving option to sideload definitely helps, it's even available with the macbooks
There is Android for that, apple doesn't need to become Android. That very control is what makes people appreciate it's simplicity & ease of use. Not everybody wants to be tech savvy or cares about technology. They just want it to be simple & not have too many choices. Those who want it there is Android for that. I'll say that again "Apple doesn't need to be like Android".
I bet you're an Ayn Rand fan. All of this is good for consumers. Good.
People really should be able to sideload. That part really doesn’t have anything to do with privacy. Corellium should be able to develop their software without the fear of being sued. There’s a lot of good in this change.
This is honestly such a nice and a fresh outlook on the whole EU x Apple controversy. It is so positive to see this channel and Jon grow from sticking to news to making such opinionated videos with a high production value and a beautifully worded script. I'm sure many with disagree with his views, but I hope everyone can appreciate the way he has presented his views on this.
Cheers, Jon!
I truly believe Jon is a closet conservative.
It’s not a liberal vs conservative issue. It’s freedom to choose vs doing what they tell you.
What's the name of the mic u used in the headphones test?
Interesting video but I strongly diagree
You disagree with what exactly?
I think this argument is tapping into people's "big government" fear, and it is a little far-fetched to say the least. On the argument of opening up iphone access to competitors' versions of Apple's App Store, no consumer is being FORCED to use those same non-apple app stores. In other words, just because the EU would like to give Apple consumers the CHOICE of accessing apps from competitors does not mean that apple consumers MUST use the non-Apple app stores.
Greedy corporations need to be held accountable. I just wish they put more effort into passing legislation to end poverty. Living wages & higher corporate taxes would be sufficient
Your comment is underrated, l support you my gee
Ignorance ☝️. Federal Reserve banking makes you poor, Fiat Currency over time loses buying power, eventually your broke outside in the cold. Has Zero to do with greedy corporations. Even though USA is a Corp that is another story way to much for my target to comprehend.
I got an iphone 14 pro here in europe around two months ago, first apple device for me and I gotta say I couldn’t care less about the charger, though it would be nice to have usb-c, it’s simply a direct upgrade anyone would love
anyways the hardware is really great, but there are many things that bother me about iOS, main thing being just how closed down everything is - I can’t look at files I download, moving them to and from my windows laptop simply… doesn’t, instead of usb I have to use cloud storage which is dumb, in short everyday tasks I used to do on android now require me to jump through several hoops every time
also, another thing that bothers me is the lack of a dedicated “back” button in the bottom corner at all times, instead iOS has this weird swiping thingy which is… fine, and another annoyance is the keyboard and autocorrect, sure it takes time getting used to on any new phone, but after two months of daily use I still haven’t gotten used to those two things, in my subjective opinion that’s just bad design
and that’s only a few things
TLDR, after 3 years or so when I’m switching phones again I doubt I’ll go for another iphone so if they want to stop selling them here that’s fine by me lol
Thanks for your objections. You know, you can get other keyboards if you don't like the apple one (GBoard for example, I think it's mostly used with android phones).
Apple's gatekeeping is not for the benefit of the customer, it never is, the biggest reason behind the gatekeeping of their whole ecosystem/software is to keep the customer trapped into their ecosystem, making it harder for them to leave without loosing out on all the features, while also making the experience of the close ones of that customer who use android an absolute nightmare by not allowing them to be able to using nice features such as airdrop or their messaging app (the whole blue and green bubble thing), it's more annoying than anything.
it's not only annoying on an individual people, but people who use android actually get teased, bullied for not having apple products
Yep...very well said and the Video is looking great too
Yoo it’s zollotech! I’m surprised nobody replied to your comment yet
Incidentally, the timestamp 9:41 is where the great argument is in! Applause for the whole video - You guys verbalized what’s in my heart right now. Thanks, Jon and team FPT.
If you are convinced by those "arguments" then you're a npc
@@inversebrah okie!
Peak Apple fanboyism
My Chromebook uses USB-C and so does my work Windows laptop. Making the 15 use USB-C too is a game changer. I could use the same charger for everything. That's one of the things I miss about having an Android phone is the charging port.
How is the iPhone able to side load apps different from downloading programs on MacOS? I don’t see how the option of downloading programs outside of Apple’s is a bad thing, considering as you say, most people aren’t going to take advantage of that feature to begin with. People who want to would be able to AND keep using their iPhone, as opposed to switching to an entirely different ecosystem.
“People don’t want an Android with an Apple logo.”…. Very well said sir. If one wants to have Android, then one can! This debate is ridiculous and EU is being an @$$
They do what needs to be done
Yepp, like the communists@@-_YouMayFind_-
@@romarechords3568 You don't know what communism is, so don't use the word.
I know because my Parents grew up in communism und me too some years. So I will allow myself, if you dont mind.@@mariuskavaliauskas6649
@@mariuskavaliauskas6649 communism is when sideloading.
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this channel: lots of cliffhangers for... nothing.
Saw the title on my homepage, cackled at its absurdity, then moved on with my day.
This is beyond TECH ... FPT crosses over all the limits ever here to bring us all to the attention that no other is talking about . This is the Best FPT video I have watched in years and they are all great.
👋 I really appreciate the quality of your videos. While I typically don't comment when I disagree, I must say that, as an Apple customer living in the EU, it's important to consider why these changes can also be beneficial. Apple is an exceptional company, but regulations often encourage companies to innovate and improve the same way competition fosters innovation. ⬇
For exemple :
SMS < RCS
lighting < USB-C
Big Data < GDPR
Close Source < Open Source
Email or Messaging < E2E encryption
App Store Tax (for developers) < Open Stores
…
Bro that deeper connect thing looks dangerous af it’s peer to peer connections that power their network meaning someone is using your connection unless you disable it.
All the hyperbole. All of it. Providing the key to the walled garden doesn't mean everyone has to open it. They are ensuring people can do what they want with their own devices.
Great video! One of your best written and edited videos ever and on such an interesting subject. 🔥
Love this longer form content. You make some of my favorite documentary-style videos.
companies lobbying governments to do their bidding: i sleep
government does the uno reverse: real shit
I'm an apple user all round, but I want to be able to install apps without having to worry about losing a wifi connection (or not being home) when trying to refresh an app over the network or paying an extra 100$ a year in order to not be limited to the week long signing certificate (even then it only ups the limit to 365 days). I want companies to be able to make apps and not be limited by apps obsurd regulations of not even being able to redirect users to a seperate website to sign up for the service. This can also open the door for more developers to distrubute there apps elsewhere, for beta testing or any other reason, Apple's Beta Test program limits the amount of users who can be signed up to it at once. Until the EU makes a clear attempt to go against what would generally be better for everyone, I see no issue here. This is the first time that the government has actually made a good substantial change, and I hope the right to repair laws also follow this.
That being said I do understand your concern, and comment beyond this point is uncertain as I do not have enough knowledge regarding the topic, but doesn't government have to go through a bunch of different votes with a bunch of different people involved? Some of whom are probably also users of said products? Wouldn't they themselves be making votes towards a better product, things being open overall could lead to more innovation.
I so much prefer these videos over the regular tech news. They’re real and deep. You very obviously care and spend a lot of time considering these. I’ve listened to every episode of Genius Bar and your takes are always so thoughtful. You’ve even changed my mind before back in the iPhone csam days. I was okay with it until I listened to your opinion
I remember jail breaking iPhone was a thing. Are people still doing that?
Your channel is my fav. Love the way the videos are written and put together. Great teamwork
Didn’t they opened up the firmware for enabling the agency to get into your data long before introducing this sustainable change?
Wasn’t Apple already in transition to USB C before being “required?” Like with their laptops and tablets and stuff? I agree with everything else though.
I love the standard fpt videos, but whenever you talk about something you are passionate about your videos are on a different level. Good job to you and Brian for knocking it out of the park
Thank you for saying this out loud. I really love this type of content from you as well!! Sure the tech news is fun and all, but I like your actual thoughts and opinions on things (hence why I watch Genius Bar)
...and why I've gone through effort to find all sorts of interviews/podcasts with him, because there his analytical side is so much strongly present. Now Genius Bar gives that side of Jon as well.
They are gatekeeping, if I switch today from android to apple I have to repurchase everything that is not transferable again on the app store and they make sure that you only use their Marketplace I mean imagine you buying a house but when you buy that house they tell you, you can only shop at the walmart down the street not publix or whole foods just walmart how would you feel not only that why can't I get my apps straight from the developer or be able to install my own apps that's why it's such a pain in the ass to install Netflix on iPhone
100% Facts. Gate keeping is the NICE way to put it. They make it IMPOSSIBLE to transfer apps, but thankfully allow regular files to be transferred. Regardless like you said, you’d have to rebuy EVERYTHING that came with your phone if you buy an android. And no, I don’t want to buy 2 fucking phones. Apple should be the first company to make gatekeeping redundant, and they would make WAY more when everyone knows they can upgrade to iPhone but it will support android apps, or android backup
Someone might be pissed for losing his blue bubble 🙃
The only reason they get to sell you last years phone for today's price is because of people wanting only iPhones
FANBOYS GATHERING
I think Apple is better off under pressure. This way they’ll have to go above and beyond to remain competitive. A win for customers.
Yes yes and yes! I completly do not agree with that argument that this is anti consumer. Apple has benefited from their innovation which they should! but they have a walled garden that traps users once they are in. Maybe some are blissfully ok with that, but there are many, I would even argue most, that aren't! There is nothing from stopping apple from being apple in these requests with the only exception that if you find yourself deep in the apple koolaid and decide you don't want to be there anymore you have options to branch out if you wish without having to change everything.
They do what they do to provide better products, what we want, impacts their bottom line and impacts that ever make better products.
8:56 if allowing sideloading on ios makes it android then according to this logic macbooks are windows laptop with apple logo?(ofc not)
I don't think Apple's hardware and software ecosystem being opened up is a bad thing. In fact, open sourced technology tends to outperform closed source tech.
This will ultimately play into apple's favour as time goes on, especially on the software side of things seen as how Apple doesn't manufacture 1 billion variants of the iPhone every year unlike say, Samsung or Huawei.
Android for the longest of times was clearly the superior OS for mobile devices, this was due to users being able to flash custom rom's and tweak the source code of the OS directly. This led to a proliferation of bustling online communities dedicated to producing the best and most feature-packed android distribution for a particular device and group of devices out there. The OEM's then caught up to what the custom rom guys were doing and started to implement some of those tweaks and features into their own standard android distribution. Look at how Samsung's One UI has become so great, it literally took features that many custom rommers were creating and coming up with and implemented them into the base phone's system. As such, nowadays on android, one doesn't need to even install a custom from due to the whole thing being open source and a 2 way street between users and OEM's.
Apple in recent years has gone on to increase the customizability of iOS, one could say these were things seen on jailbroken iPhones finally being implemented but nonetheless the OS is developing and can be seen to be on par with android. If it does get opened up we could see stores like Cydia and all make their way onto being officially supported in so far as one can install them without needing to jailbreak or do any funny things to their device. This is going to be good for the user.
Exactly...well said. Apple's own mindset will be their downfall if they continue to be exclusive. Like they own the mobile industry. Teamwork is everything. Google samsung and Microsoft are working together while apple wants to stay in their wallgarden
Spot on Sir. Probably the best show you have ever done. Keep driving it home until the idiots in charge hear you. New and deeper respect for what you do.
Steve Jobs would go apoplectic if he saw the iPhone 15 Pro Max as it is nothing special & it has nothing to make it their flagship like yesteryear!
Dude FTP has officially reach a new level of quality and validity. Remarkable work Jon.
I agree with the hardware changes, it's about time apple starts putting Usb-c on their phones, they have it on everything else and it's their own tech. User servicable batteries are also something that all companies should have. Opening up the ecosystem is something I have mixed feelings about. I'm an android user because it's easy to load apps from outside sources, if I make my own app, I can use it. That being said, Apple has always been a better choice for older people and people that don't do technology well, the technologically impaired if you will. They tend to have less weird issues during general use than android, I think this is largely because Apple is in control of everything that is installed on the device. Opening it up to other sources is also opening it up to security issues and stability issues. So I like the option of opening it up for other stuff, but it needs to be done in such a way that the user is aware of the risks. I don't know how they could do this and still protect Apple as they will still have to provide warranty for the device. Maybe a way to format the phone and reinstall the OS like you can with a computer? Who knows. I have mixed feelings on this.
I really don't get people who have a problem with side loading. Like if you are scared of your privacy just DON'T side load like what ??????
DUDE, this may be one of the best videos you’ve made. Absolutely spot on.
I would agree completely IF and only IF iMessages was changed to RCS chat. There’s just way too much bullying and social pressure to have blue bubble that makes it go beyond just privacy concerns for having iMessage when RCS can replace it.
What bullying and social pressure is there to have a blue bubble? First I’ve heard of it. That’s more of a society/wherever you are thing than an apple having to replace their message app so that it includes everyone thing. Or maybe I misunderstood what you were saying.
@@ca678.4 first you've heard of it? Time to move out from under that rock.
It’s not just digital markets. Europe’s gdpr laws for private, psd2 laws (forcing banks and payment services to open up their APIs to each other) in the payments space… everyone is already adapting in many different areas of consumer protection.
You're asking for a company to overrule a government... You're begging for the most dystopian future possible.
Awesome video Jern! Keep up the good work! I love these particular videos you make.
Been waiting for this patiently since Genius Bar! These are always your BEST videos Jern keep it up!
All I want is for apple to give us the right to reuse devices that are icloud locked that are thrown away without the owner thinking that it will get reused.
Conveniently forgetting that € 2.4 billion fine to Google for anti-competitive practises when you're talking about them "targeting" Apple aren't we?
You’ve gone from putting out silly (but entertaining) videos to THIS. An important message that everyone at Apple needs to hear.
everyone on this planet is way more accurate... over reaching government is an issue not only for apple
Finally one sane person in this comment section.All theese Apple fanboys are only doing the iPhone monopoly bigger. Apple is succesful because of their name. Not because their quality.
Thank you Jon, for such a refreshing video, that I couldn't stop watching! please stay on this course!
Hey, I want to put Ford parts on my Chevy - Right???
Imagine you would only have the windows app store. No sideloding allowed.
While I think that companies are in the right to have their own ideas and experiment with them, I think that there should be some standars to follow like the phones charger, to benefict the customers and raise an standard that companies should follow.
Also in the video you reference sideloading, personally I think that the costumer should have the right to modify the system like they want, after all it's their product. Sideloading could be introduced without having less security, for example in Android you have to choice to do it and the system warns the users with the posible dangers to do it, and it's at consumers eleccion to do it or not. Without sideloading you would have only the stock phone store making a monopoly for the company that distributes it.
Usb C was in some part created by Apple so it's not like they didn't idealize it in the first place.
If you like sideloading, then go to Android, and sideload all you want. It is Apple's right to not do that if they don't want to, whether that be for privacy/security or for profit motives, just as it is our right to go elsewhere if we're not OK with that.
@@AzizRahman1 I think that should be decided by thd customer.
@@AzizRahman1 xD
No lie, this might be the best and most important video you’ve made, not only for FPT but for the Apple User as a whole. Well done!
Love when you do these videos. Great insight into all of this. Keep up the great videos! 👌
Even though I was wanting USB-C there was a part of me that just hoped that apple would refuse to do it.
What cookie? Literally, the EU is saying, or you change the USB port, or you can't sell here. They don't have more options 😂. But that's a good thing, Apple core values are not going to change because of sideloading. Actually it's the opposite, no one can imagine a Mac without sideloading (p.e. brew), it would be useless. In a few years, we will look back and see all the advantages we got from the sideloading and the USB-C
Possibly the best episode you ever made. Thank you for being more than a simple tech channel today. Crazy that it was even called for but it most definitely was. Sh*t got real today.
EU 💩
Disagree, EU is just forcing apple to put on its big boy pants.
You have covered an extremely important topic! This is indeed a slippery slope. And it is not just the EU, other countries are seeing what just happened. Expect such regulations dictating even the implementation going forward from EU and other countries😟
It will not be the Apple Car or Vision pro, it may be the stance Apple takes on this that decides Tim Cook's legacy before he retires.
It's really not that bad. around 2010, all phone manufacturers were deciding to settle on just one connector for their new models (to avoid regulations from the EU). They decided on micro USB. Except Apple. They announced lightning. They are the reason why there is a need for this regulation.
To sideloading: Imagine windows without sideloading. You can only download programs from the windows store. Would be pretty restrictive, right? People couldn't customise their software if they needed to. Mac also allows sideloading, resulting in millions of little applications that are designed to help you and to solve specific problems, made by anything different than huge companies who can afford getting their apps approved by apple.
And if you want to sideload then you can Jailbreak or get the Altstore.
Heavily modifying your phones system and destroying the warranty in order to avoid restrictions that apple made just for their profit. Long life the free market!
Genuine iOS on budget devices with native side-loading is exactly what everyone has been asking for from Apple for over a decade, but now everybody’s jumping ship just because a larger entity than Apple is the one trying to make it happen. This is literally everything people were asking Apple to do just a few years ago. The literal reason actual fans that are tech oriented jailbreak their devices. Official side-loading will change the game and make so many android users (like myself) make the switch. It’ll probably be off by default like android and be just as secure as now with the 3rd party install setting off. I use an iPad for music production and the OS is amazing feeling. If I could natively side-load without using a developer account, it would be the best OS both in look and feel, and in its customization and expandability. And I’ve personally been saying for years that if we had 3rd party phones “powered by iOS” along with the iPhone it would be an insane increase in their profits. Just like how there’s the Google Pixel and then 3rd party phones “powered by android” which Google owns. It would be a huge win. Genuine iOS on genuine budget devices with native side-loading is exactly what everyone has been asking for from Apple for over a decade, but now everybody’s jumping ship just because a larger entity than Apple is the one trying to make it happen.
Literally the best FPT video I’ve ever watched! I think you raise amazing points, and the fact of the matter is, the consumer should get to choose with their money, and not be pushed around by the government. If the EU wants to make their own phone company with all their requirements, they should just do that, instead of forcing other companies to comply with what they think consumers want. Theres a fine line between forcing a company to operate ethically (like just not using slave/child labour) and forcing them to do whatever you want because they’re winning. Also the clips of Steve really showed what Apple’s core values were and how this essentially targets those directly.
The author of this channel is not educated in economics. If he would be, he would QUICKLY realize the bad effects of a monopoly (like Apple's).
It's not children's games anymore. Because someone's winning, lots of other people suffer. One can't liken this situation to a game.
As a minimal apple user I see all these changes as good and would make me consider buying more products. I think replaceable batteries are on the cards that's a good thing
In contrast, that is actually bad for you.
Let's scale this up a little... Would you ask them to force electric car companies to make the batteries replaceable by you the user, without any tools required? Safety in technology is best when sensitive parts are tightly enclosed out of prying hands. This is why you gas cylinders have thicker walls than your regular water- bottle, or tighter caps too.
Humans really cannot comprehend scale and I perfectly understand. Throw this deep into the future, you are going to find out that leaving the battery more exposed is actually bad for you as the user.
The best way is to make them bring down the price for repairs and replacement parts. It shouldn't cost more than 10% of the original unit value during assembly.
But the moral of this particular video is that it is actually wrong to force companies to evolve out of their core values all because you want to exercise control or something. I have friend who will never consider Apple as a primary device.
I am an apple ecosystem user and completely disagree with allowing side loading and other companies to involve themselves in apples ecosystem. Apple is a company that has end to end control. It’s a company where you get a phone and have minimal options to change but optimal security features to keep your data safe. Apple was built on these principles and has became incredibly successful on these principles, like the video says, if you don’t want those principles, there are other phones to go to.
you're in the minority. This would kill the very reason I've been an apple customer for 20 years. Everyone in my family including my in laws are now apple users because of me. Most people buy into Apple for the walled garden. Apple has pissed me off several times over the years, but when I look at PC's and Android and the wild wild west of component difference between one thing or another, I lose all interest in dealing with Frankenstein products.
You all made good points. I guess there should be a choice for people who want the walled garden as there is plenty of choice for people like me. As I said I'm a apple super casual user.
@@kevin2028Samsung has huge issues of burnt in screens. Everyone says iPhones and all crash after two years, I disagree. Every android product I’ve owned falls apart within a year. Their ecosystems are beyond buggy. Risk of virus and malware is high. My iPhone lasted me 3yrs (12) before the back glass broke down to a bad case… I only consider windows because of steam gaming, but Mac supports the few games I do want. So it’s a battle in my heart but I lean towards apple more because with windows 80% of the market is computers that’ll bust within a year, overheating etc while apple does focus on quality of their products. Microsoft surfaces are the only windows I support, not razor, or third party stuff.
one of the most insightful "tech" videos i've seen. kudos!
how do you know?
this is before watching video (: it's a way to put my comment and place it down on a notepad that's public :)