Chopard Alpine Eagle Vs Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711: A Comprehensive Luxury Watch Comparison

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    The Chopard Alpine Eagle Large 298600-3001 is encased in 41mm of stainless steel surrounding a blue dial on a stainless steel bracelet. Features of this Chopard Alpine Eagle Large include hours, minutes, seconds and date. This Chopard watch also measures 9.7mm in thickness and 47.2mm from lug-to-lug.
    The Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711/1A-010 is encased in 40mm of stainless steel surrounding a black-blue dial on a stainless steel bracelet. Features of this Patek Philippe Nautilus include hours, minutes, seconds and date. This Patek Philippe watch also measures 8.5mm in thickness and 48.1mm from lug-to-lug.
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  • @AmitPal-hj1ze
    @AmitPal-hj1ze Před 2 lety +123

    For me the Chopard Alpine Eagle is a modern steel sports watch marvel. It is sad many people do not consider Chopard a horology heavyweight.

    • @gyang333
      @gyang333 Před 2 lety +3

      It bothers me that Chopard made an effort to claim that they took extra effort to ensure the screws are aligned symmetrically around the dial. But clearly it's not. Some are better while some are worse (like this example).

    • @Pulsonar
      @Pulsonar Před 2 lety +7

      @@gyang333 I think you missed the point of what Chopard meant. If you analyse what they’re indicating is they use real screws on the bezel and make a ‘painstaking’ effort to align. Can AP or PP say the same of Royal Oak or Nautilus? No they cannot, so Chopard are already scoring points against ultra high end players in a subliminal way. In fact it’s even better that the screws don’t align the same on every Alpine Eagle watch, so each piece is then unique, and not just another clone. Sounds like a clever bit of marketing on a genuine Swiss masterpiece in my book.

    • @shuycg
      @shuycg Před rokem

      @@gyang333 is anyone else managing this feat? On a model that's roughly same price?

    • @gyang333
      @gyang333 Před rokem +2

      @@shuycg No, but no one else is claiming to do so. I don't know why that's some selling point? I don't care that screws are not aligned (in general).

    • @shuycg
      @shuycg Před rokem

      @@gyang333 it's clear to me that they've tried to align the screw heads. Maybe that's the best the could do. Maybe the machinery used to create those threads inside the bezel are the limiting factor. I think it's cool, I think it's interesting and I would support them if I had the budget.

  • @leonana11
    @leonana11 Před 2 lety +62

    I have this Alpine Eagle for a year. Became my daily and never get bored from it. Low profile, high quality (insanely accurate) and what's most important, it's freakin' beautiful.
    Could have equipped with better movements like LUC. But still, a very impressive steel sports watch.

    • @Kcseales
      @Kcseales Před 2 lety

      Yeah, I wish the movement was better. Debating getting it now. I love the steel they used. Looks like white gold. Which color face did you get?

    • @Pulsonar
      @Pulsonar Před rokem

      Good report, but why did you have it for only 1 year? If I praised a watch like that it means heirloom material, and my son would be it’s next guardian after I’m gone. Also what did you mean by ‘insanely accurate’ then ‘Could have equipped with better movements like LUC’? Seems contradictory, unless you’re referring to slimness of movement profile or simply with the aesthetics of the view of movement through the sapphire case back.

    • @jeremyeagles3237
      @jeremyeagles3237 Před rokem +2

      You said you never got bored of it yet only had it for a year?

    • @Pulsonar
      @Pulsonar Před rokem +1

      @@jeremyeagles3237 He never answered when I asked the same, maybe he lost his job, went broke and had to sell it.

    • @jeremyeagles3237
      @jeremyeagles3237 Před rokem +1

      @@Pulsonar yeah possibly. Doesn’t matter to me I just wanted to understand where he is coming from.

  • @prunesquallormd
    @prunesquallormd Před rokem +1

    You do the best watch reviews on CZcams. Knowledgeable, no nonsense and drily hilarious. Always a joy. Thanks for what you do.

  • @Pulsonar
    @Pulsonar Před rokem +16

    The blue dial on the Chopard AE is absolutely sublime. This watch has to be tried on to appreciate the exquisite quality, like I did at an AD whilst on holiday. Good thing the dial was
    the Grey sunburst that I tried, if it was this blue dial I would’ve angered my family by spending all my holiday money on a deposit and bought it on the spot 😂

  • @go.for.m.o.
    @go.for.m.o. Před 2 lety +7

    I LOVE this series - keep 'em coming!
    Couldn't agree more with your final determination, sir! Chopard for me, please.

  • @arklow3482
    @arklow3482 Před 2 lety +109

    The Nautius looks cheap next to the Chopard. Sad, but true.

    • @watchok9813
      @watchok9813 Před 2 lety +10

      Exactly!

    • @casualsuede
      @casualsuede Před 2 lety +8

      Especially the logo. I own the Calatrava and the PP logo looks like something from a Chinese $50 special.

    • @488ferc4
      @488ferc4 Před 2 lety +1

      Agreed

    • @bigbrooklynite7058
      @bigbrooklynite7058 Před rokem

      Yup, I'm leaning more towards Chopards and Dietrichs now days, that Dietrich SD-1 🍯 🐝 honeycomb is 🔥, especially the tropical green one...Just wish they made the SD-1 in 40 or 41mm, it's a 38.5 mm.

    • @wengjai
      @wengjai Před rokem

      Opinions are not facts. Facts!

  • @thewatchguyinc.7429
    @thewatchguyinc.7429 Před 2 lety +3

    This is a brilliant review Tim…full of added value and good input. Thank you

  • @jrassuranceagency9810
    @jrassuranceagency9810 Před rokem +6

    I got my chopard alpine eagle in blue couple days ago and it’s more beautiful in person. Got a lot of compliments every time.

  • @cjginc31
    @cjginc31 Před 2 lety +8

    Have had the Chopard AE for about a week now. It is absolutely fantastic. A Rolex DJ is in the same price range but was looking to expand outside of Rolex. Having said that." Would love a Nautilus but couldn't ever justify the $100K grey market price on it. Great review as always!!

  • @fatTony666
    @fatTony666 Před 2 lety +62

    The Chopard needs the LUC movement, it would be a better comparison

    • @rousseau327
      @rousseau327 Před 2 lety +5

      Eh, I agree it'd be much nicer to have that better movement, but the metal finishing + that dial is enough for me to take a serious look at this over another sports watch in the same price range

    • @CYC_JP
      @CYC_JP Před 2 lety

      @cittadino di Zamunda Wrong. Although Caliber 240 or 324 are the inferior finished movements among all Patek movements, but they still used to have Geneva Hallmark before Patek went with their own PP Hallmark. This Chopard 01.01-C does not even meet the criteria to have the Geneva Hallmark stamped on it. Even some LUC movements don't meet the Geneva Hallmark criteria. "marvelous finishing" simply not.

    • @CYC_JP
      @CYC_JP Před 2 lety +5

      ​@cittadino di Zamunda Clearly you are just new into horology, learnt something and though you knew everything. You got so many of your facts wrong and you just assumed you are correct, and I don't even know where to start.
      First of all, I'm lucky enough to own some of these independent brands such as FPJ, Lang & Hayne (not Lange & Hayne), Dufour, Forsay, Parmigiani, Akrivia, Pascal Coyon. I also own some mass produced brands such as Patek, Vacheron, Lange and Breguet. I use my 20x loupe to admire the details on those movements almost every single day.
      Patek and Vacheron are THE best when it comes to finishing out of all the mass produced brands (all brands producing more than 500 pieces a year, so FPJ, Parmigiani, Lange are all included).
      Most of those brands you mentioned don't have Geneva Hallmark because they are not located in Geneva, for example, Dufour and Gauthier are in Vallée de Joux, De Bethune is in Vaud, Forsay is in La Chaux de Fonds, Voulaitinen is located in Môtiers. Just in case you did not know it, Geneva Hallmark is only issued to brands that are located in Geneva.
      FPJ on the other hand, does not meet the criteria of obtaining Geneva Hallmark when it comes to decorative finishing. For example, one of the criteria of Geneva Hallmark is that the tooth of all gear wheels made from stainless-steel must be chamfered and polished, that include the tooth on the barrel gears. Take a close look at your FPJ, the barrels are grained but the tooth are not beveled and polished (to be fair, the current production entry level Patek these days don't even do that, as they moved away from Poincon de Geneve, so they are under no pressure to do those difficult finishings).
      You said Patek "324 movement are crappish as design itself", and then you also said "In short, if you want a proper Patek you need at least a perpetual calendar", you knew you just discredited yourself because of that. Patek doesn't make integrated perpetual calendar movements, all of Patek's perpetual calendar are modules. 324 S Q perpetual calendar is just a standard 324 movement with a perpetual calendar module slapped on it; the same goes to 240 Q perpetual calendar and 240; and the same goes to 31-260 PS QL perpetual calendar and 31-260 REG QA. If you say 324 movement is crap, then 324 S Q perpetual calendar must also be crap, so you contradicted yourself there.
      Back to Chopard. Chopard has two manufacture based in Fleurier. One is Chopard Manufacture, which is responsible of movement production for all LUC movements. Non Poincon de Geneve certified LUC will be assembled there as well. However, Poincon de Geneve Certifed LUC will have to be shipped to Geneva workshop for some extra finishing to meet both the location and finishing standard requirement. Then you have the Fleurier Ebauches which is responsible for non-LUC movements production (aka the inferior Chopard movements), the production are more industrial and less hand-finishes are applied, the movement 01.01-C used in this Alpine Eagle comes from there. In short, LUC Poincon de Geneve > LUC non-Poincon de Geneve > Chopard.
      Patek, even after they became lazy in their finishing department of their entry level pieces, are still better than LUC non-Poincon de Geneve and is certainly better than a non-LUC Chopard.
      By just looking at some macro shots of the anglage on 01.01-C, immediately you can notice the anglage are not even rounded, they are simply beveled to a 45 degrees angle, and the gear spokes are not beveled and polished. The overall finishing on this 01.01-C movement is not bad, quite good to look at a glance to be honest, but not "marvelous finishing", and it isn't better than a Patek 324.

    • @almac9203
      @almac9203 Před 2 lety

      @@CYC_JP so is this watch good or not? How does this compare to the Royal Oak?

    • @dragosb.5059
      @dragosb.5059 Před 2 lety

      @@CYC_JP What’s your opinion on VC Overseas, 4500v?

  • @neilmartin7776
    @neilmartin7776 Před 2 lety +24

    I'm finding myself more and more drawn to brands like Chopard and Piaget - true watch manufacturers who have somehow bypassed the mainstream collectors for now. If I'm honest, it's Chopard's LUC line that interests me more from their technical movements and exemplary craftsmanship, but this Alpine Eagle has got me rethinking their other watches. The Nautilus is just a pipedream now...
    Sad story, but a few years ago I had the chance to buy a blue dial Nautilus, at retail, for about £18,500. I had to pass at that time, it would have wiped out my savings. But if I'd known then what I know now... Bye-bye mortgage 😭

  • @mastermindmanagement6190
    @mastermindmanagement6190 Před 2 lety +7

    This makes me happy to my watch (Alpine Eagle) featured! I love waking up and voila, there she blows!! And to see it vs. a 5711 awesomeness. It’s happened this way 2x now. First the individual watch review a couple weeks ago, now the comparison; thanks, Tim! I also own one of the 20 piece Laureato (black dial, blue indices & seconds hand). As much as I like the bombastic approach of getting the “heavy-hitters”, high-key, I throughly enjoy having a great under the radar piece, more…if you know, you know, type of vibe.

  • @direction_west
    @direction_west Před 2 lety +1

    Truly a worthy competitor to the Patek Nautilus, more so I'm very proud and privileged to have several of these stunning timepieces instore (BHH Cape Town) Also this is a fantastic video, keep it up.. Just clicked subscribed and liked.

  • @christ6874
    @christ6874 Před 2 lety +34

    I'm placing my order for the Chopard ...... that dial is simply beautiful. Plus it's safer to wear it outside.

    • @johnpark7972
      @johnpark7972 Před 2 lety +3

      Quite a few muggings of PP in London recently

    • @rousseau327
      @rousseau327 Před 2 lety +1

      Wait till you see the lucent steel in person. I tried it on before, and thought the dial would be the most attention grabbing thing. But the lucent steel stole the show for me, it's just so much brighter than any of the other SS watches I have.

    • @christ6874
      @christ6874 Před 2 lety

      @@rousseau327 Chopard has a price increase effective tomorrow, I believe. My AD can’t get me the stock at existing price 😢

    • @christ6874
      @christ6874 Před 2 lety +2

      @@direction_west thanks Leslie! But Cape Town is a little far from Singapore 😆. My AD can get it but there’s a month’s wait and the discount is a lot slimmer now.

    • @tateshorts5042
      @tateshorts5042 Před 2 lety

      Great choice enjoy

  • @khoocheepeng
    @khoocheepeng Před 2 lety

    I love both .....The sparkling look.... Amazing works.

  • @randyallen2771
    @randyallen2771 Před 2 lety +4

    Nice job on the comparison Tim! As for the question of which to buy......is there really any need to ask?

  • @scottbrandon9390
    @scottbrandon9390 Před 2 lety

    Chopard apparently has a rose gold and two tone variation of the Alpine Eagle. The dial comes in grey and blue and now red. There is a regular and chronometer version. The price makes it worth much less than the Nautilus. However the price just keeps going up on the Nautilus, so it it a great investment.

  • @kahuhipajae4088
    @kahuhipajae4088 Před 2 lety +5

    The Alpine is a Very nice alternative to the Nautilus. Great job as always Tim.

    • @altorre5739
      @altorre5739 Před rokem +2

      Absolutely, the Girard Perregaux Laureato too.

  • @vadimdon
    @vadimdon Před 2 lety

    amazing review Tim and I totally agree with you

  • @freegibran
    @freegibran Před 6 měsíci

    Excellent review/comparison.

  • @benniboi75
    @benniboi75 Před rokem

    Chopard at the end of the day is just as attractive with great specs- if I could afford I’ll take both😅great review as always Tim!

  • @LlyleHunter
    @LlyleHunter Před 2 lety +1

    I’d like to see a comparison between an Alpine Eagle and a Royal Oak. That would be fascinating.

  • @AlexCovic1
    @AlexCovic1 Před 2 lety

    Genta's design has an clear edge but the execution on the Chopy is insane

  • @LlyleHunter
    @LlyleHunter Před 2 lety +6

    Now,.. I’d like to see an Aquanaut vs a Polo face off. They’re so closely stylistically matched and both from great pedigrees that I think it would be fascinating. I’m secretly rooting for the Polo.

    • @jumboJetPilot
      @jumboJetPilot Před 2 lety +2

      I liked the Polo S ever since it came out - far more so in person than in pictures or videos. The asymmetry of the bezel, polished bezel edge, and crystal, to me, make it much more art-deco themed than nautically themed like the Nautilus. I would like to see Piaget use a screw-down crown. But other than that, I think the Polo S is a highly underrated watch.

    • @LlyleHunter
      @LlyleHunter Před 2 lety +2

      @@jumboJetPilot I agree. I think it’s a great watch.

  • @richards6367
    @richards6367 Před rokem

    Brilliantly done. Thanks

  • @MegaRedbeanAlec
    @MegaRedbeanAlec Před 2 lety

    I like the Alpine Eagle it needs the LUC movement and maybe just leave off the extra bit on the side of the case that isn't necessary. Would also love to see more dial options.

  • @andrewgiblin3468
    @andrewgiblin3468 Před 2 lety +1

    Great review but I prefer the GP Laureato over both of them and I also have a 5711.

  • @user-cc3ix3te9v
    @user-cc3ix3te9v Před 2 lety +5

    The Chopard Alpine Eagle is so much nicer its not even close !!!!!! It has perfect balance of being gorgeous but yet masculine at the same time. Its steel shines brilliantly like gold yet harder then steel. Super high end looking and felling, great movement, great power reserve but yet decently priced. The Chopard Alpine Eagle is best watch on the market !!!!!!!

  • @bluturt8985
    @bluturt8985 Před 2 lety +15

    I think the Alpine Eagle is incredibly underrated. The overall look is brilliantly put together. Liked it so much I bought one and it now gets the majority of wrist time. Looks like the Nautilus and royal oak? Certainly shares some similarities, but it really looks like an evolution of the St. Moritz. The nautilus and Royal Oak have just become very dated. This watch looks fresh. Can't understand why this watch isn't in higher demand - it will be...

    • @watchmanplain5780
      @watchmanplain5780 Před 2 lety +2

      I ordered one as well as soon as i got it i will upload first video here so excited :D its such a nice watch!

    • @georgeii2629
      @georgeii2629 Před rokem

      Let's be glad that the watch isn't in such high demand. If only we humans didn't think so stupidly.

  • @tarasmathers7423
    @tarasmathers7423 Před rokem +1

    Bravo Tim Mosso👏......and I could not agree w/ you more. Either way, I would take the Chopard, handsdown. Honestly, I find the Nautilus to be a bit to svelte on the wrist, but that's just me

  • @jumboJetPilot
    @jumboJetPilot Před 2 lety +9

    I really like that Alpine Eagle’s dial. I’d like to see equivalent versions in green and red. And if they wanted to make a sportier version, do the bezel in ceramic, both brushed and polished just like the metal bezel version, in a ceramic color that matches the dial color, Omega Constellation-style.

    • @MrCliteatswood
      @MrCliteatswood Před 2 lety +4

      They made a red dial version and it looks like an asshole

    • @rousseau327
      @rousseau327 Před 2 lety

      @@MrCliteatswood What kind of bleeding assholes are you used to seeing?

    • @jumboJetPilot
      @jumboJetPilot Před 2 lety

      @@MrCliteatswood ummm, no. That’s the brown dial version.

  • @19NJS71
    @19NJS71 Před 2 lety +5

    At 3 times as much retail, the Patek should be offering more

  • @FFL3001
    @FFL3001 Před 8 měsíci +1

    To me the Chopard gained an extra dimension when I was shown that it matched up with Chopards "Ice Cube" jewellery collection. Not only is there then an opportunity to match your wifes jewellery with your watch or her jewellery with her own Alpine Eagle, but you also get a new perspective on that design.

  • @styx4947
    @styx4947 Před 2 lety +1

    That dial on the Alpine Eagle is virtuoso performance by Chopard. they could justify making the watch just as a vessel to display that dial. And yeah, Genta created the first "homage" Watch. He gets a pass because it's a homage to himself. LOL good show

  • @perudolux
    @perudolux Před 2 lety +1

    I d like to see a comparison between the chopard and a laureato 👍

  • @5OclockSharp
    @5OclockSharp Před 2 lety +4

    Maybe it’s different in person, but the nautilus dial can’t even hold a candle to the alpine eagles dial.

  • @tateshorts5042
    @tateshorts5042 Před 2 lety +1

    Honest would be the chopard for me. Many people would go for the patek only on the fact it’s got a huge return on profit. I feel there aren’t many true watch enthusiasts around. For many it’s just how much it’s worth on the grey market

  • @petereriksson6287
    @petereriksson6287 Před 2 lety

    By the looks I would go for the Chopard, will try it on next time at the AD. Hav'nt payed this watch any attantion until now.

  • @edwardblack7133
    @edwardblack7133 Před 2 lety +2

    Always enjoy your Vs videos and this one speaks to me. Am contemplating the Alpine Eagle but hoping they will make a green dial one...for less than $450009😂

  • @dannysimenauer5745
    @dannysimenauer5745 Před 2 lety +11

    Great in-depth comparison. The fact is 99% of us will never have a chance to buy the Nautilus probably speaks for itself. I love the Alpine Eagle's dial, and would like to see Chopard add several more colors.

  • @leoberg2390
    @leoberg2390 Před 2 lety +2

    I think chopard has enough of it's own design features to not be called a homage, and the dial is just mind blowing and looks just as good as patek but lean more towards sporty rather than the dressy nautilus. I just wish the eagle was a little more thinner if not as thinner as nautilus

    • @almac9203
      @almac9203 Před 2 lety

      @AM Conquer is a homage created by the same designer still a homage? He kinda gets a pass because Genta designed both watches.

  • @mwojciak
    @mwojciak Před 2 lety +14

    If not the name on the dial and the movement I would go Chopard without any doubt. Much, much better looking watch. It is absolutely stunning in person. However movement dissapoints a little. Chopard is capable of making movements at Patek level, and they should do it in Alpine Eagle too, even for higher price tag.

    • @wjs1
      @wjs1 Před 2 lety

      Totally agree!

  • @rousseau327
    @rousseau327 Před 2 lety

    While I agree the Chopard is noticeably larger than the Nautilus, I don't think it wears larger than it suggests. In my opinion, it wears true to size, and perhaps even slightly smaller. The Nautilus just wears really, really well.

  • @Odysee505
    @Odysee505 Před 2 lety

    Chopard Looks SOOOO GOOOD omg

  • @EtherealSky
    @EtherealSky Před 2 lety +3

    Chopard did a great job overall, but it's just that the date window at 4 o'clock was quite out of place for a simple dial.

  • @bennychen7433
    @bennychen7433 Před 2 lety +4

    In practise with my limited budget, it will be Chopard

  • @watchmanplain5780
    @watchmanplain5780 Před 2 lety +3

    I purchased mine :) in rose gold

    • @SunsetSheen
      @SunsetSheen Před 2 lety

      How have you liked it so far?

    • @watchmanplain5780
      @watchmanplain5780 Před 2 lety +1

      @@SunsetSheen its a great watch ! But mine is 36 mm its very flat and still a heavy watch since its made of 18k gold. Its not a everydays watch. But i am very happy with it very high quality piece and the warm bright look in the sun is just amazing! I am going to purchase a steel modell as well but waiting for another dial colour to be released 🙈☺️or tune it with some after market sapphires on the bezel?🙄🙄🤷‍♂️

    • @SunsetSheen
      @SunsetSheen Před 2 lety

      @@watchmanplain5780 great choice on the 36. I actually like the smaller one much better, both for the size and also the cleaner dial without the date window.
      Strongly considering the 2 tone but my only apprehension is that the bracelet barely tapers. Do you know the width at the lug, and also what it tapers down to at the clasp?

    • @watchmanplain5780
      @watchmanplain5780 Před 2 lety

      @@SunsetSheen sadly i dont know the exact sice of the lug to lug. For the tone tone model i can tell u that i personally didnt liked the silver screws on the bezel, made the whole watch unbalanced, but i recommend u to try it on before u buy it. But design wise i would say its a great unisex piece it has a strong male and female site. I am just 30 and wear it with street wear. So i dont think it will make you look too old, so dont worry;) but for sure its an elegant watch.

  • @itskyyuuuu
    @itskyyuuuu Před 2 lety +5

    Chopard is much more visually appealing.

  • @just-inedc2381
    @just-inedc2381 Před 2 lety +3

    Price no issue I like the patek

  • @onceuponascale
    @onceuponascale Před 2 měsíci

    Check out the chrono version. It is stunning.

  • @AndreyZakharenko
    @AndreyZakharenko Před rokem +2

    Chopard all the way, the dial is great!

  • @gyrovague
    @gyrovague Před 2 lety +10

    I had a craze for the Nautilus for about a month but it's not that great a work of art and would actually be boring to look at. The Chopard is smart yet dynamic. Quite cyberpunk or the sort of thing the tragic elite heads in Gibson's novels might wear. Perhaps someone could do a four figure watch that acts like a Reverso but with a smart watch on the other side.

  • @tackontitan
    @tackontitan Před 2 lety +4

    Hacking seconds on a Nautilus?! You spoil us, ambassador!!

  • @ronaldward5620
    @ronaldward5620 Před 2 lety

    That was a great comparison. Probably one of the best he has ever done. I plan to purchase the Alphine eagle based on the video.

  • @vipinsuriya007
    @vipinsuriya007 Před 2 lety +1

    If I didn’t know anything about these watches I would chose the chopard 💯.

  • @peterrichardson9248
    @peterrichardson9248 Před 2 lety

    Is the Patek the Emperors new clothes in this company. Lovely watch but the movement could be considered almost prehistoric and badly in need of an update.

  • @ikemouser2580
    @ikemouser2580 Před 4 měsíci

    how many grams is the chopard?

  • @frank1roland
    @frank1roland Před 2 lety

    The Chopard is beautiful!!

  • @cy4624
    @cy4624 Před 2 lety +1

    Many people complain about the value and street sale price of this watch but it is selling on the same principle why RM sells. Its instantly recognizable and everyone knows it goes for an absurd price . But, that is what the the majority of the new generation of Patek owners are looking for, ability to flaunt the price aspect. It wouldn't sell nearly as well if it was priced to be commensurate with the material, finishing, or technology. Yes, its a legendary design but if we are being honest, there is nothing special about the finishing or technology used in this watch in comparison to others in the same retail ballpark or even fractions. It sells because celebrities wear it, rap about it, and priced absurdly and Patek has according sold out to cater to these targeted clients.

  • @gabrielpyh5608
    @gabrielpyh5608 Před rokem

    CEA is just gorgeous vs the Patek! Unless given an opportunity to buy from Retail then Patek is a must buy for future investment.

  • @costelloandsilke7321
    @costelloandsilke7321 Před 2 lety +2

    The Patek is the best of the Genta designs for me, but I could not countenance what Patek charge for it, not even at retail never mind aftermarket. I think the Chopard is a fine effort in many respects. It's a pity they decided to use the screws because the fact that they don't line up would probably drive me mad over time. I would prefer if the bezel had been secured from behind. I've seriously considered an Alpine Eagle but, contrary to your view Tim, I find the grain on the dial a bit overdone. A bit like the screws, it's a design feature that tries too hard, whereas the Patek has an effortless quality to it that I really like. Sadly, it's a quality that is negated by the price.

  • @defenstrator4660
    @defenstrator4660 Před 2 lety +1

    I honestly do not understand these prices for some watch brands. The prices for the Patel makes me want to barf as a value investor. It is entirely driven by people playing status games.

  • @EdwardViaTomato
    @EdwardViaTomato Před rokem +1

    I really like the Alpine Eagle on a rubber strap

  • @nukiepoo
    @nukiepoo Před 2 lety

    Ouch! Said the 1st link in that bracelet

  • @Barnaby_bo
    @Barnaby_bo Před rokem

    Looking at the bracelets I think the Chopard is a league above the Patek

  • @Nefville
    @Nefville Před 2 lety +5

    Money no object, Patek, my money, Chopard. The Chopard is 90% of the Patek for 10.9% of the price. So if you want to make this fair it should be 1 Nautilus to 10 Alpine Eagles.

    • @LlyleHunter
      @LlyleHunter Před 2 lety

      You can buy Chopard for your whole family if you really like all of them.

  • @poopy_fingers3324
    @poopy_fingers3324 Před 2 lety +3

    I don’t agree that the pin sleeve bracelet on the Patek was done secondary to cost cutting. I don’t know the reasoning, but there has to be another reason.
    They hand finish the movement and use white gold indices, but conclude they need to save some extra pennies by using pin sleeves over screws? That seems logical to you?

  • @extremejoy
    @extremejoy Před 8 měsíci

    If Grandson of LUC had a child; it would still be a family/independently owned… Chopard took the time to focus a lot on details down to the screws so I’ll have to give it to Alpine Eagle. But if I’m acquiring to flip then Nautilus all the way!

  • @Innovativeindustries
    @Innovativeindustries Před 2 lety +2

    $120k or $10k 5711 all the way for me. The non timed screws on the bezel of the Chopard would drive me crazy.

    • @nishantprakash5928
      @nishantprakash5928 Před 2 lety

      They are screws not bolts.
      It's impossible to line up screws.
      RO has bolts, Chopard has screws.
      Although, I agree with you, misaligned screws drive me crazy as well, but we can't do anything about it.

    • @Innovativeindustries
      @Innovativeindustries Před 2 lety

      @@nishantprakash5928 they can. It’s not cost effective or feasible though.

    • @nishantprakash5928
      @nishantprakash5928 Před 2 lety

      @@Innovativeindustries to do that, they are gonna need another batch of screws under side the case, now these screws won't line up.
      And the bolts on the bezel will line up.
      If they do that, they will be called out for copying RO.
      So no brands usually go in that direction of aligning screws

  • @hatchegg80
    @hatchegg80 Před rokem

    i know the trend/bragging rights is for thinner watches but it has to suit your wrist, i feel like for me, the nautilus sits a little too low

  • @saidbb
    @saidbb Před 2 lety +2

    i like the chopard

  • @jonathanstallickhomeopathy

    I love the Chopard dial but have to say all the other elements look a little clunky to me whereas the Nautilus has an integrity which is pleasing but no way would I pay $100k for it.

    • @rousseau327
      @rousseau327 Před 2 lety

      Nothing against you personally, but it's really funny to see people say that about the Nautilus, when not even 10 years ago, people didn't vibe with the Nautilus design at all.

  • @johnm5131
    @johnm5131 Před 9 měsíci +2

    Just remember the dark side of owning a Patek. First, they think that they own your watch. You'll understand that comment when you own a few. Second, they won't re-polish the Nautilus cases anymore. They decline nearly every request. The work is simply too great for them. You'll need to send to one of the high end refinisher/restorers. A shame really. They want this to be their "Sport" watch. Yet they cater to people who leave them in vaults.

  • @kevinh5349
    @kevinh5349 Před 8 měsíci

    I really like the PP Nautilus. Heck, I might even go as high as $5k for one.

  • @fikaimu
    @fikaimu Před 3 měsíci +1

    36mm non-date Alpine Eagle is the best

  • @gmshadowtraders
    @gmshadowtraders Před 2 lety +2

    Why are there screws on the bezel?

    • @anthonypipia6990
      @anthonypipia6990 Před 2 lety

      Same reason they’re on the AP

    • @polarbearsc3952
      @polarbearsc3952 Před 2 lety +1

      The screws are functional, they lock the bazel, case and case back at once to have better water resistance.

  • @Norman-mn7gp
    @Norman-mn7gp Před 2 lety +2

    The price of the Nautilus is ridiculous, point by point the Chopard is better; I like it a lot more and I don't care if a seller loses money; the bubble will only harm a few ...

  • @uropy
    @uropy Před 2 lety

    Yeah at current price of two I can’t see how one would choose 5711, unless you are a Patek diehard fan. Look very similar. Both brands are legit makers but both lack brand recognition among general public. If you want to impress, none of these two models is good. If you just wear for what it is, the Chopard one is as good as 5711, with a much lower price.

  • @asura2545
    @asura2545 Před 2 lety +4

    Alpine Eagle vs GP Laureato vs Bulgari Octo Finissimo?

    • @feedthefatrabbit1073
      @feedthefatrabbit1073 Před 2 lety +2

      I'd take the Eagle or the Octo. The GP is a baby step down IMO

    • @TheDrewski88
      @TheDrewski88 Před 2 lety

      @@feedthefatrabbit1073 I’m curious as to why you think that regards the GP?

    • @asura2545
      @asura2545 Před 2 lety

      @@feedthefatrabbit1073 The heritage of GP can be a factor too though

    • @feedthefatrabbit1073
      @feedthefatrabbit1073 Před 2 lety +1

      @@TheDrewski88 just personal preference from a design standpoint. The GP is the best of the three in terms of heritage, and the movement is outstanding on them. I think all too often we lose why we buy crazy watches in the fist place - for the look, because we like them. Why is Rolex king, for instance? Because ppl are wrapped up in what other ppl think about their watch and public perception in general, when in actuality - nobody *really* cares. That's why the old saying 'buy what u like' is underutilized in today's market. JLC is my favorite brand for this exact reason. They check all my boxes while flying ever so slightly under the radar.

  • @loweewolwed9834
    @loweewolwed9834 Před rokem +1

    Back in the fall of 2001 I had the opportunity to buy a used PPN 3700 with box & papers for 7000€ plus my 16600 in a WEMPE store in Hamburg but having just started my 3 year WOSTEP watchmaking education and with a girlfriend and 7 month baby back home it just didn´t make sense at the time. Note to younger me; "F*cking buy it already"
    As late as 2012 getting a 20% discount on any AP-RO was pretty much standard and once in Barcelona I had 6 of them in different sizes and dial colors lying on the desk front of me at an AD. Another note to younger me; "If you leave without at least one of these watches your an even bigger idiot now then back in 2001"

  • @iftikharhusain6286
    @iftikharhusain6286 Před rokem

    Good

  • @sanghoonlee5171
    @sanghoonlee5171 Před 2 lety +1

    Both are handsome watches. But Nautilus doesn't make me stare at it. Alpine does.

  • @MrYutbe57
    @MrYutbe57 Před rokem

    I don't know that anyone would say the differences or improvements are worth even the retail difference let alone gray market. The Chopart is more sporty with the case dimensions as well as more elegant with design and overall more interesting in general. It has a lot more going on with indices and screws and dial but not so much that it takes away from it at all or that it just screams for attention.

  • @jonathanng9318
    @jonathanng9318 Před 2 lety

    Chopard mainly because of the detail and design of the dial!

  • @constantinmiron6980
    @constantinmiron6980 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Chopard for sure!

  • @johnjohn3274
    @johnjohn3274 Před 2 lety +2

    I cant believe you get push pins for 34k from dealer, even worse that you get push pins for 110k used 😂

  • @Ex.zed.
    @Ex.zed. Před 2 lety

    That Chopard would've looked so much better without those screws.

  • @SevGW
    @SevGW Před 2 lety

    This one was fun!!

  • @reelrocknrolla4251
    @reelrocknrolla4251 Před 2 lety +1

    I wished they kept the Saint Moritz name...

  • @thegorn
    @thegorn Před rokem

    The Nautilus design makes my stomach churn. It looks like a 70's TV set which is dorky. Another thing - the corner facets on the crystal annoy me as it's not quite round but not very jagged either. It's so subtle that it looks like an imperfection.

  • @craig2100
    @craig2100 Před 2 lety

    Chopard even if i had the budget is the better deal

  • @philippe4106
    @philippe4106 Před 2 lety

    Nice, but give me a Casio Oceanus t200. Finishing on par with these two, the major difference being is that it's much more accurate.

  • @onceuponascale
    @onceuponascale Před 2 měsíci

    The dial is fabulous indeed. You need to see it for yourself. The camera does not render true to life.

  • @flo3000
    @flo3000 Před 2 lety +2

    I love how theses reviews make you think that any other other watch doesn’t show you the time. Compare it to a used Mercedes S-class that almost drives by it self while massaging you with probably 10000 times the parts costing used less than half of this watch that shows date and time! :-)

  • @thatmexicanguy2989
    @thatmexicanguy2989 Před 2 lety

    Can’t decide if I like the alpine eagle or not, I do but I wouldn’t buy it

  • @inscrutablechicken
    @inscrutablechicken Před 2 lety +11

    At these prices, the only reason to get the patek is if you want to show the world you can afford to spend 6-digits on a watch.

    • @Armoer
      @Armoer Před 2 lety

      Actually, historically that is correct. A steel sports watch that is more expensive than a complicated gold watch. That was exactly what GG originally designed and the brands planned to bring to market.
      For me? If you want to show you have money enough. Please buy something interesting. Impress me not with money, but with taste and consideration

  • @Khanh.Nguyen369
    @Khanh.Nguyen369 Před 2 lety

    The chopped should be named the Kermit rather than the Rolex. Can’t get past those bolts.

  • @BlagoP
    @BlagoP Před 2 lety

    Chopard should've made the effort to align the screws.

    • @liamliffey8258
      @liamliffey8258 Před 2 lety

      Agree. It would drive me nuts .

    • @wjs1
      @wjs1 Před 2 lety +1

      It’s actually - and surprisingly - extremely difficult to do. Unless some of the screws are not tensioned correctly.

    • @almac9203
      @almac9203 Před 2 lety +1

      @@wjs1 just use bolts like the Royal Oak.

    • @wjs1
      @wjs1 Před 2 lety

      @@almac9203 yes but that would be a bit too much plagiarism right 😆

    • @almac9203
      @almac9203 Před 2 lety +1

      @@wjs1 it is difficult to get the appropriate level of plagiarism. You want to produce a RO but not be accused of being a homage so you have to change a couple of details. Perhaps produce a Royal Pine or King Oak!

  • @Milan-xm6fz
    @Milan-xm6fz Před 2 lety

    Chopard Alpine Eagle 📈

  • @darrenanderson2014
    @darrenanderson2014 Před 2 lety +4

    Alpine Eagle hands down a better looking watch.