How to Mix Schluter® Thin-Set Mortars
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Check out this video to learn how to properly mix Schluter®-Thin-set Mortars! There are 3 types of mortars available: Schluter SET, a premium unmodified thin-set mortar, Schluter ALL-SET, a specialized modified thin-set mortar, and Schluter FAST-SET, a specialized rapid-setting modified thin-set mortar. All 3 Schluter thin-set mortars are specifically designed to work with all of our membranes and boards. Schluter® Thin-set Mortars! NOW YOU'RE ALL SET!
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Very helpful that you went into detail on many different aspects thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Sometimes lowes and home depot have open full bags of thinset you can get for a good deal i got 2 bags less than the price of one new bag
Great tip tho my local Lowes and HD NEVER EVER carry Schluter Set - only membranes. Floor & Decor, however, is my new holy grail store for anything Schluter. They have it all plus things you didnt know could exist. I found out they sell Ditra by the foot so if you need an odd amount you can buy a roll, then the extra loose.
Kerdi is not hard to work with, its a well thought out system....but....at least since the pandemic, its been hell to find the right products you need in the states. The thinkset you can find, and none in my area , is being sold way overlist price...this shower install for me a homeowner/handyman type has been hell...Question....can I put a small thin covering of easyset by Schuluter over the membane letting it dry, then used modified? Other unmodified suggest I can't use their product with Porcillian tiles.
Hi Joe, You can use any unmodified thin-set mortar meeting ANSI A118.1 between the DITRA and the tile or you can use any of our thin-set mortars, including the modified ones (ALL-SET and FAST-SET). Since we allow for any ANSI A118.1 in our detail and given our experience with porcelain tile and unmodified thin-set over our membranes you can be confident using any of those options. We're sorry to hear of your difficulties with access to our thin-sets. Would please reach out to our customer service team to see if they can help resolve that situation for you?
800-472-4588 (US)
800-667-8746 (Canada)
Thanks~
If I just need a small amount , can I just mix a smaller ratio , or do I need to mix the whole bag and throw out the rest ? Also , if it is possible to mix a smaller amount , would I need to mix the dry powder prior to using it ?
Hi Carlos,
You can use the same ratio as we provide for mixing full bags. Just weigh out a certain amount of thin-set (for example, 10 pounds), then use that same percentage of water (for example, 1/5 of the recommendation for tile or membrane installation) and mix as directed. Unless the bag of thin-set has been stored in an unusual condition that has caused the powder to separate, it should be totally fine. If it looks normal visually, you should not need to mix the whole bag prior to separating out the part to mix with water. Hope this helps!
How much water and thin set do I mix? And is it possible to be too thick or still have a window where I'm allowed to add water. Also can I use the same thinset for laying ditra and tile. Sucks being a newbie
They do not want you to add water once the batch has been mixed. There are directions on the bag for how much water to put in your mixing bucket prior to adding the contents of the bag. As this video states, maximum recommended water for membrane installation and maybe minimum water for tile installation.
Hi Gerald, You'll find the water to thin-set ratio on each bag of thin-set. The ratio differs depending on which thin-set you use. For Schluter membranes, you want to add the maximum amount of water shown in the instructions. If you are installing regular tile, you can go with the mid range amounts of water. If you are setting a large tile, you can choose to use the minimum amount of water.
You cannot add more water once you have mixed the thin-set. If you need the thin-set to be more workable during the open time, you can remix your current batch. If the batch you mixed is not the right consistency for your installation, you should make a new batch.
Over concrete, you can use any of our thin-sets to install the DITRA and tile. Over wood, you can use the same thin-set for setting the DITRA and tile if you choose ALL-SET or FAST-SET. See the DITRA Installation Handbook or the specific thin-set data sheet for complete details. Hope that helps!
@@schlutersystems1 So I mixed some thin set with a ratio closer to the tile mix recommendations. However, I was surprised to how soupy the mix was (after the 5 min mix, 10 min set and 3 min mix). Can i add more thin set an mix it a little more (for actual tiling the next time), or am I screwed.
The Schluter All-set describes mixing ratios for Kerdi membrane and tile. If I am installing a pre-sloped Kerdi shower tray (which is more rigid compared to the membranes and does not have the fleece underneath), then which ratio is to be used? The ratio for Kerdi membrane? Or the ration for tiles? Or something in between?
Hello! The thin set under the trays is used to support and bed the tray only. Either ratio would work for this installation. Hope that helps!
What is the water ratio to 50 lb bag to install the Schulter shower pan?
Since the the mortar is just for bedding and supporting the tray, it doesn't really matter. However, if you'd like to lean toward the instructions on the bag for installing Schluter membranes, that would be fine. 🍊
I wish you would show where to find the batch number on the bags! There's no where online. :P
Hi there! The batch code is printed on the side of each bag. If you need more assistance locating it or determining something from the batch number, you can contact Customer Service. You can reach them at 800-472-4588 (US) or 800-667-8746 (CA) Hope that helps!
So isn’t All Set kind of whitish grey? The bag I have says all set and is light grey. Your video shows all set as dark grey?
Hi there! Can you email us a picture of your Thin Set bag at social@schluter.com . Just to make sure which one you have! Thank you🍊
can this be mixed and sealed with lid and reused for later? Im assuming a remixing would be required..
Hi there! Once the ALL-SET is mixed, it has a pot life of 2-4 hours. After that, it would need to be disposed of.
Do the mixing instruction change for lesser amounts? Ie if I’m only mixing 10lbs of powered do I still need to mix the full 5 min, wait 10 then 3 more min?
Good question, but yes, if you mix lesser amounts of thin-set, you will still use the same mixing instructions that are on the bag. Hope this helps, please feel free to give our Product Support team a call for any questions on our thin-set. 800-472-4588 (US) or 800-667-8746 (Canada). Thanks!
Does the mortar work well without using the Schluter system membrane?
Hi Richard! Yes, for Schluter®-Systems applications, refer to the Schluter®-DITRA, Schluter®-DITRA-HEAT, and Schluter®-Shower System Installation Handbooks. For other applications, refer to the TCNA Handbook for Ceramic, Glass, and Stone Tile Installation and TTMAC Specification Guide 09 30 00 Tile installation Manual.
Is some kind of seam overlay membrane needed between 2 pieces of schluter ditra uncoupling membrane?
Hi Brittany! Good question! The use of KERDI-BAND over 2 sheets of DITRA is only required if you need/want to waterproof your floor assembly. Hope that helps.
@schlutersystems1 thank you so much for your quick response!! Love your product!!
Our pleasure, any time... and THANK YOU! 🍊
What is the cure time for the all set type? I did a kerdi floor pan and I don't want to step on it prematurely and damage it.
Hi there! Normal cure time in a ambient temperature of 40°F to 95°F would be at least 12 hours before grouting. Wait at least 24 hours before exposing the new installation to traffic. Hope that helps!
@@schlutersystems1 thank you!
Welcome!
Do I mix the whole bag in a 5 gallon bucket?
Hi Michael, yes, you can do that or you can do part of a bag instead. Just figure out how much powder you want to use and adjust the water ratio given on the bag. Hope this helps!
No but the water to mix ratio is still a critical issue. What I usually do is weight the mix I'm planning on using and then figure out how much water I need. For example in this video they show the water required for a 50 lb bag as 5.5 - 6.5 quarts. For 25 lbs of mix it would be 2.75 - 3.25 qts. It's a simple proportion after you have the weight of the mix.
For my Kerdi Band I just did 10 lbs of All Set with 51 ounces of water. I used two buckets one I filled switch the 51 ounces using a cooking Pyrex and drew a line on the bucket for later ease of use. I then set another bucket on a cooking scale and weighed 10lbs of All Set powder, then poured the powder into the water and mixed according to the instructions.
So you can use the al set to put the membrane and has motal to instal the tiles ?
Yes, Schluter's ALL-SET can be used both under and over our membranes and boards. Please check the appropriate Installation Handbook and/or Technical Data Sheet for details on your particular installation.
@@schlutersystems1 where can i see the handbook
Depending on your application, you can refer to either of these 2 Handbooks. Hope this helps! 🍊
DITRA Handbook (see pages 4-13): sccpublic.s3-external-1.amazonaws.com/sys-master/images/hcc/hd8/9474566750238/DITRA%20Installation%20Handbook.pdf
Shower Handbook (see pages 6-20)
sccpublic.s3-external-1.amazonaws.com/sys-master/images/hb8/hbe/9474529001502/Shower%20System%20Installation%20Handbook.pdf
@@schlutersystems1 what about using to install tiles on the ceilling
Yes, ALL-SET can be used to install tiles on the ceiling.
Love your products but these videos are so one-dimensional and really lack substance on alternative scenarios.
Schluter thinsets are trash and I won't name brand names but there are options that perform better for less money. Schluter All-Set in particular is a joke, it's so sticky it can be difficult to trowel and cleaning it off buckets, trowels, etc is no fun. The mixing time is more than double the standard of 2 minutes mix, 5 slake, 1 re-mix. It also sets up faster than the average modified thinset. If you have an application where you can or would otherwise use an unmodified thinset (e.g. over ditra) why would you ever use a $35 bag of All Set versus a $14 bag of good, unmodified that's easier to mix, easier to spread, and easier to clean up?