Brooklyn D and F Train Swap Explained
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- čas přidán 12. 11. 2020
- On select weekends, D trains run via the F, and F trains run via the D south of West 4 St in Manhattan. Jay Krantz, New York City Transit's Director of Rail Network Planning, breaks down how a confusing service change is actually a clever way to make sure that nobody is left without service!
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This was a good idea. People tend to be better about this when they actually know what's going on and aren't in the dark. You guys should post a QR code on your flyers so anyone who sees this can be linked to this video.
This is a great idea! It's so much easier to swallow the confusion when they explain what's going on and why.
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In the little graphic of a flyer that pops up towards the beginning of the video, there actually is a QR code with text saying it links to a video overview explaining the service change.
Whether or not that's the flyer that actually went up in stations I could not say from a few states away, though
They should be playing this video constantly rather than a fucking ad for the spongebob musical or whatever they do
I've always wondered why the MTA did this and now it finally makes sense! I feel like this video should play on the digital boards in all stations - would lead to much less frustration.
yeah agree with you. I feel that the new marketing people have realized that people want to know why and they are making these info videos. it makes so much more sense and will get make people realize what work is being done and why. I love that they are doing this.
More videos like this please. The general public can seem rather displeased as if service advisories on posters never existed.
OK this was actually great. Thank you for (1) acknowledge that it DOES seem like madness, (2) explaining why it is not
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Amazed you added visuals of the interlocking. That’s awesome. Love the transparency
This is good as hell. For our mental health, please keep doing this kind of thing. The more commuters know about how and why things are done, the easier time they'll have coping with the madness.
Appreciate the explanation! I really like the recent transparency regarding construction work on the subways.
Now I just wonder why these intersections weren't put in more areas of the subway in their original construction.
The IRT and BMT did not have the future foresight to build the proper infrastructure (in fact the BMT focused way too much on Lower Manhattan). On the IND side, they used the lessons learned from the other two and built a system with a lot of flexibility and express service in mind.
To go slightly more basic than the excellent above answer, nyc's subway system was largely built by 3 private, competing companies. It's the reason for a number of quirks
Just to add to the above, the reason why it is usually not retrofitted in more modern times as well is the cost and complexity of running these extra connections which are rarely used.
Whilst the workaround may not be ideal, its a perfectly viable workaround - so there is no incentive to "fix" the issue caused by what others have said above that created the issue in the first place.
@@Garfie489 to add a little more to what was said here, interlockings are a rather costly part of any transit or railroad system with a lot of emphasis on maintenance on the switches and signals that have many moving parts. So it isn't unusual to see RRs or transit systems eliminate redundant interlockings or switches to cut costs or to streamline operations, and NYCTA has done so multiple times and will continue to do so when need be. interlockings at very "strategic" locations are kept as an absolute necessity to not only route trains correctly but to allow movement of equipment when it is necessary on certain situations such as when track work is being done or even under emergency situations, or like the switches east of Queensboro Plaza on the N and 7 lines, which serve as the sole connection between the 7 line with the rest of the NYC subway system. The entire subway is like a big jigsaw puzzle and the pcs must fall into the right place. It is why you can run the E train down 6Ave and still go to WTC, or how the Q train can run down 6 Ave on the D line and still be able to rejoin it's line in Brooklyn. There is a method to the madness. Too bad that the front window has become a thing of the past now that R32s are going, because that was a very fun way to see the underworld and the mazes of tracks that make up the system.
Oh! This even allows the F Trains,now that they are running on the D line,to go back to Coney Island! And experience the Manhattan Bridge!
Why am I watching this video? It's December 2020. I've never even been to New York.
Same bro I'm from Seattle we got fucking 1 line here so no problems lmao
Im currently in NYC for the holidays
We always gotta respect the MTA! They do stuff to keep us moving
That's facts-
@Stephen no I don’t actually although it would be a dream to work for them..... but that’s becides the point
Before making a statement on something you gotta do your research on it.
Did you know it only costed 5 cents to ride the subway back in 1904. And 5 cents in 1904 is equivalent to about 2.75 in today’s world........ the prices of things NEVER get cheaper
@Stephen it’s alright. Feel free to hit me up anytime as I can answer many questions about the MTA. I may be a kid but I have spent hours researching the ins and outs of the MTA
I’m glad you guys did this video cause I always asked why they do this if it’s construction
Although I don't even live in NYC, these explanation videos are very interesting...
This video made me ridiculously happy. Thank you Jay Krantz!
PLEASE make some more trivia videos with this quality I want more of this sleek animation
Keeping people informed is great. Anytime someone says "why is the MTA doing this, it's so stupid", I will be directing them to this video... and hopefully more to come.
Wow! Animated graphics to explain! I'm a daily D line user and I wondered about this very subject. It looked so arbitrary. Thanks for explaining.
Great video. Never would have someone thinking that actually explaining things was a good idea back in the TA days.
You guys need to make more videos like this. 👍🏾
Nice explanation. Good luck trying to get ppl to understand it.
Wow the MTA actually admitted to the public that there are track connections and they don’t just want to ruin your commute. They should make the track maps public so rides don’t have to buy them.
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Nice F trains via Manhattan Bridge!
Yep
Thank you. This was helpful.
This is the best thing to come from the MTA since the Q Diamond.
Damn this was an excellent idea from the MTA. Not sure why I was recommended this but I appreciate it even though I don't take either subway lines
Well this helped a lot with my confusion, thanks MTA😃
Thanks for the info MTA
Old service maps exist; they show that the D train once ran down the McDonald avenue line to Coney Island, back in the days before the Christie street connection.
YESSS I'm going to get clips
Oh we know you
Thanks for the info! I'm excited for NTTs temporarily running on the West End Line. I've started to become tired of those plain old R68s.
Also, recap for the people who need it. 7th Avenue has some stuff going on, so *(D) trains will run via the 8th Avenue Line from 59th to W4th.* Since (D) trains can't go from the 8th Avenue Line to the express 6th Avenue Line tracks, *(D) trains will run via the (F) line from W4th to Church.* Since (F) trains _can_ switch the (D) train tracks at W4th, *(F) trains run via the West End Line from W4th to Coney Island.*
Hope this helped!
Lmfao! This is both informative and kinda hilarious. These videos are wonderful, as they educate us as to why subway, bus, n other Mta things happen as they do.
I love riding the F Train! Thanks Mtainfo.
Wish I was back in New York to witness this switch! I would of enjoyed looping around the West End line to get back to the Culver line. New Yorkers have one of the best transit systems in the country. Some people just like to complain and not see it as "glass half full".
Nice!
I remember when the D ran via 8th Avenue Express 2 years ago back in 2018. Now it's running via 8th Avenue Local.
I bet somebody from another state or another country didn't know how New York works and just heard that the D train went to the Yankee Stadium so they didn't even bother to read all the signs that said the F and D train got swapped and they went on the D train and went through the whole route but couldn't find 161-Yankee Stadium and wondered why.
Basically Like in LA that the Gold Line closed Little Tokyo station that route is closed that Bus Shuttles replace that portion to the nearby stops except in NYC the D Line running via the F Line rather than its usual D line is basically a work around Like LAs workaround is replacing the portion of the rail line with BUS shuttle services near those stations while the affected line is being worked
I was just as confused about this until I saw that D trains are running on 8 Ave and it's the 53rd St tunnel that's being worked on. Then it all made sense from there because I know about the W 4 St interlockings. So now I know what I needed to know 😂
Here’s a good idea, how about you make the face where the train logo is on the front, digital? That way, you can change it to whatever line you’d like. Less confusing I’d think.
then (F) trains would be running to the bronx and (D) trains would be running to queens
Any update for OMNY November 2020? I kinda like when the OMNY videos are up
I think the next two months are a little bit self explanatory, as much of the system is already installed. Only a handful of stations in Brooklyn need to get it installed.
However, on the bright side, the Rockaways and much of Southern Brooklyn is up for November m.
that was a great idea
Now they are doing this for 47-50 street Rockefeller center station to upgrade the tracks D to F F to D
Makes sense. The routing of the subway system is complicated as hell
D trains used to run on the Culver line from 1954 to 1967. Who says you can't go home again?
The simple solution in the future, which actually should have been done back in 1967 when the Chrystie Street Connection first opened, is to install an interlocking Southbound right before the Broadway-Lafayette station.
There was a switch between the southbound tracks at Broadway-Lafayette Street, but it was removed during the Chrystie Street connection as immediately after, the express tracks now rise over the local tracks to go under Chrystie Street.
Plus what’s wrong with having D trains go back to the Culver Line?
@@TheRailLeaguer They need to put it back then
@@marta814 Why should they put it back? That would result in more confusion and delayed train service? Plus the track grades in the area would make it possible to do so.
Having D trains go via Culver (the original route) and F trains go via West End provides the exact same service as before.
Also, the other switch between the northbound tracks after Broadway-Lafayette needs to be removed as well. It’s also not needed.
@@TheRailLeaguer A very simple reason to add the interlocking back, to keep things simple for future projects. We are just going to have to agree to disagree on this. No disrespect intended, just stating my opinion.
@@marta814 That’s not simple, especially given that that switch would serve no practical purposes. It would be like that switch at Northern Blvd on the M and R that was removed last year: useless and a waste of money.
Having routes swap in Brooklyn as well would keep things simple for future projects.
Short answer: Trackwork on certain portions of each route.
*Welp the foaming starts tomorrow, great. Now the 6 Is gonna be running with R142/As due to it stopping on 149th street grand gaycourse, And F Trains are running via West End. And D trains running Via 8th Avenve and Via Culver to Church Avenue*
5: HEY I HEARD THAT
Why, the 6 don’t need extra trains, they don’t need R142A. They will still terminate at City hall. It’s just the northern terminal that will be changed
@@pubggamer2022 i already know that, but "GAYCOURSE"???
@@pubggamer2022 Lack of yard access for the other end.
I remember when the D train ran on the F line in the 1960s and 1970s. I'm surprised no one else remembers. Ha!! I recall riding the A train as it and the D left the then Jay St./Borough Hall Station in tandem, when the D train would suddenly drop as its tracks went deeper underground.
I remember when the D train ran from Stillwell Avenue to 205 Street and the F train ran 34 Street to 179 Street. Those were the times of the privately-owned Independent Lines (IND). I am a railroad buff.
MTA is still trying to figure out how to carefully deliver the R211 test train to New York.
Oh it is nice I see this Dec. 1st... you know. Unless the construction was extended and is still ongoing. Which. Wouldnt surprise me
The first thing I checked is if it is April 1st. 😂
Lol.
Man that tunnel sucks to work on right south of culumbus its definitly not fun to place flagging lights under traffic. .
So a D train at Jay St and F train on Dekalb av in Brooklyn
Kinda wish they had a switch to have the 8th Avenue lines connect with the B and D south of West 4th...
Same thing with the F once in Brooklyn, a new switch from York St to the B and D (plus the N and Q?).
A switch in Brooklyn at York Street would be disruptive to riders on the Manhattan Bridge, as there is nowhere to add it.
@@TheRailLeaguer i get ur idea, but this would ONLY be used on service changes...
@@toters2724 These service changes only happen every once in a while and it’s too redundant with other switches (there’s another switch between Broadway Lafayette and the the West 4th Street tower between local and express and honestly it should be removed). Plus what’s wrong with having the D via Culver and the F via West End? It’s essentially the same thing as the current pattern.
@@TheRailLeaguer well there is nothing wrong, just saying it shall be a bit more efficient
@@toters2724 Adding that interlocking could end up making things with the D and F during service change worse, since during this change, if you had the interlocking, the designations in Brooklyn would remain but you would receive less service compared to any other weekend. Swapping the two routes allows to run as much service as possible.
Wow. How do you get to 18th Av in Brooklyn.
nice
Whenever any of the 6th avenue trains are rerouted to the 8th, it's always to the local tracks since the express tracks don't connect at West 4th. Since it was before my time, I wonder how the train to the bus to the plane was routed. I know it ran express on 6th ave but after W4 went to Chambers. I guess JFK-bound trains switched from express to local north of W4, then bypassed Spring and Canal on the local before using the normal crossover that the C train does after Canal. Does anyone have memories of that service and know how it ran?
I'm in the same boat of it being before our time, and I'm not a New Yorker, but I am an avid fan of transit and the NYC Subway.
If memory serves me correctly, the Train to the Plane ran on the 8th Avenue Line, and served a now abandoned lower platform at 42nd Street-Port Authority Bus Terminal stop.
I like to think of that service as a super-express A Train for the time.
Hope this helps.
Actually took it once. IIRC, it just basically skipped stops.
They forgot to mention that they usually operate shuttle busses from Surf Ave to Church when this reroute happens
That’s actually part of the Culver Signal modernization, which is something for another day.
F Train is going on the Manhattan Bridge
D Train is Going on the F Line
Is it done?
1:48 correction:
(D) via (A) and (F)
also will they switch to local at 145 st, 125 st, 72 st, 59 st, or 34 st?
The D is on the C Line to go to F and if it goes on A line it won’t go on F line to 2 ave
Northbound (D) trains can actually run normally.
Northbound trains clouds run normally but headways would actually be a lot lower compared to if they didn’t swap in both directions.
D train run vid C or F lines
Alright
I think you should bring the B back on the 9th ave elevated line.
Why?
Okay, so if the issue is the fact that the existing infrastructure warrants a swap, why have you swapped the 1 and 2 trains in the past? Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there infrastructure in Manhattan that can allow the trains to run their normal routes? Also, why terminate the 3 at 14th street?
The switch to between the local and express tracks at Broadway-Lafayette on the 6th Avenue subway was removed when the express tracks were realigned to go via the Manhattan Bridge (the express tracks originally went to 2nd Avenue, but when the Chrystie Street connection was built, the tracks ramp up over the local tracks to head to the Manhattan Bridge.
As for the 1, 2, and 3 lines, it depends on the certain situation. If the South Ferry branch is closed, they will have 1 trains terminate at 14th Street and 2 and 3 trains go local to avoid elongating the 1 route. However, during the 56 weekends the Clark Street Tunnel was closed for Sandy Repairs, 3 trains terminated at 14th Street to prevent trains from being backed up.
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Why don’t they just build an interlocking that would allow the D to run normally. And maybe one that allows trains to go directly from Crosstown to Manhattan without having to either reverse at some point or loop around Cindy island.
True; adding a full interlock at Broadway-Lafayette would allow them to reroute 6th Avenue service in Manhattan more efficiently without disrupting service in Brooklyn.
This swap, which returns the D to its original route via the Culver Line, is more simpler as trains can stay on the same track all the way. The less switching the better.
I'd much rather they work on adding more interlockings than spending $200m on making several subway stations look nicer.
F train return to Coney Island on Weekend yes
@DAVID WONG yea F train Stuck Church Avenue On weekend
it good to switch d and n line put n to west end put d to sea beach
Does this mean there will be D trains and R68s at Roosevelt island?
D trains will not stop at Roosevelt Island as they do not go to Queens. D trains go to the Bronx. D trains are running on the F line south of West 4th St.
Service is not affected in Queens and Bronx.
No
Well the swap is in Brooklyn
We don't have this confusion in San Francisco. Our lines start at J.
What?
@@TheRailLeaguer Joke
I know this is a weekend, but can we pay respects to the (B) train running on weekends
Why?
The video says it...
Always has been
Ok....
Now please explain the 2 & 5 swap in the bronx cause that one is annoying and makes no sense
That’s usually to reduce the train crews used for the service change, especially if there is no 2 train service going to Brooklyn.
It's sad how the government agencies that have youtube channels have almost no viewership.
What do you mean? This video has 29k views.
@@TheRailLeaguer But the D and F lines have more than double that in ridership daily!
@@farmerlucas1853 Views don’t always have to exceed ridership. Not a lot of people watch CZcams anyway.
Keep in mind that not everyone uses a microcomputer, as in PC, nor a smartphone.
ok, this is unusual.
OMG church Ave bound D so D will get G train cars from church which are basically the same cars the D usually uses lol
Not really. The G operates 4-car units so those trains will not be on the D route, which uses full length trains.
F train is (F)ast in West End
Yup 😂
That you very much for this explanation. I'm tired of the conductor saying "we will be moving shortly thank you for your patience." Like I'm not really patient sooo..
At least they go to Coney Island
You should talk about the MTA surplus budget that keeps disappearing when the fare hikes happen. Or how about the worker that was fired for showing the world pictures of the homeless epidemic in the subway system during a pandemic. Or how the MTA is planning on cutting service and planning to fire thousands of employees in 2021. Or how about that worker who was indicted on charges of running guns during all the shootings that were happening in the last few months. Please don't try to make the MTA into anything other than what they are a corrupt private for profit corporation that has City and State contracts. I'm an actual City employee and we all know that the MTA is not a government agency.
Is that a complete joke?
Commuting to and from the outer boroughs on weekends has been a nightmare for a while now and it seems like this is gonna go on all winter. It sucks. Got me contemplating doing the unthinkable... buying a car *shudder*
Is that a joke?
Plus nothing in Brooklyn is changing, except for the designation. You’ll get similar service, so no need to buy a car yet.
Why did I get this recommended when I don't even live in New York? And why did I click this even though this probably won't be useful?
Ugg r68 d trains on culver line.
What about 4th Av 9th st, Will the F still run on there
The F will bypass 4th Avenue-9th Street. For service to that station, you can use the D or R train.
How about this question.
Picture this morning rush hour from E F lines from Jamaica heading into Manhattan. Make 3 tracks heading south. AndNorthbound run Express. .
Huh?
The line is already 4 tracks no need
You know what would a good idea MAKE A NEW EXPRESS BUS ROUTE X40/43 From Pelham Parkway BX to Annadale SI Weekdays x40x43 Rush Hours via Manhattan but x43 Via NJ Turnpike Lincoln Tunnel
What?
That shit sounds too long, and who tf is taking a bus all the way from Pelham Pkwy to Staten Island?
Why? That's a complicated express bus route that no one would probably take.
Brooklin in São Paulo better than Brooklyn in New York city, I, speak since here Vila Remo neighboard São Paulo city of Brazil South América
Why did the algorithm recommend this to me? I don’t even live in New York.
Omptimize service
This service change does do that. Without swapping the D and F in Brooklyn as well, service would become less and less efficient.
Then yah need to add an interlocking so the D can go back on its line from 8th Ave. Simple lol
Nahhhhhh a bit more work then commutors would be willing to wait for.
True; adding a full interlock at Broadway-Lafayette would allow them to reroute 6th Avenue service in Manhattan more efficiently without disrupting service in Brooklyn.
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@@MTARaylz So what. They building the Second Ave subway. Adding an interlocking won't hurt right
At West 4th Street, the express and local tracks are at a different grade, so that will be impossible.
Even if they added a switch further down, you would have trains crossing in front of each other, so trains would be in the way. Swapping the F via the West End Line and the D onto its original routing via the Culver Line would keep things much more simpler for the weekend. It’s also not worth it.
Can you pls put the old S79 bus back on the S79
NO!!! it’s a full limited stop now sorry
this requires some serious engineering degree to understand...
How?
all this to say "because the entire system is poorly designed and we're too invested in it to actually fix it"
It’s actually more complex that that.
@@TheRailLeaguer its actually not
@@BasedBrooklyn What do you mean? The track system is very complex.
Director of Network Planning for the MTA? So basically a job that hasn't done anything in 50 years. I mean, that's about the last time something changed. Total incompetence.
You joking, right, because they’re responsible for coming up with any changes in service if needed. They’re the guys that are responsible for the Manhattan Bridge changes in 2004, and recent changes to the Second Avenue Subway in 2016, including the R train extension to Whitehall Street during overnights that Bay Ridge residents were asking for. Essentially, they’re a branch of the larger operations planning division.
Who else did you expect to come up with service changes?
M train to 6th Av? That was a pretty big improvement, and only about 10 years ago. Also abandoning the 1/9 skip-stop that cost riders time on average (basically because the stations skipped were busier than those at the outer end of the line).
@@nendwr I agree.
That's nice but, did we ask?
The MTA notifys commuters so they know about this.
we did
LMAOOOOO