10 Hated Movie Performances That Were Secretly Genius
Vložit
- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
- The underrated acting performances that never deserved the hate.
For more awesome content, check out: whatculture.com/
Follow us on Facebook at: / whatculture
Catch us on Twitter: / whatculture - Zábava
Did anyone else catch the audio loop at 1:45? He says the line about grit and punch twice in a row.
Just thought my coffee hadn't kicked in yet, but nope. It's definitely the same line.
It happens a lot
If you've ever edited audio, you know how easy it is to make that kind of mistake. It may have been a second take, and whoever edited the video left it in. Or it was the same take and it accidentally got pasted in twice while chopping audio and moving it around.
I've heard podcasts that had a whole 10 minute chunk repeated. I thought I was going crazy.
I came to the comments to make sure I wasn’t the only one that heard that. 😂
@@jasoncowgill752 the only one that heard that. 😂
It does happen fairly often, it's not an uncommon thing when editing an audio. Try doing a long podcast as suggested in the replies here. You can get it sections or possibly almost all of it looping.
The lesson from Solo is that mysterious characters don't benefit from having that mystery removed. Han is appealing because he's taciturn and closed off. By showing us his back story, the storytellers cheapened what was compelling about his character in the first place.
Force awakens did far more damage to Han than solo story ever did.
YES!!! That is the same mistake that the prequels made regarding the Force (setting aside the urban legend that Chuck Norris was the Force in the entire franchise)!!! Rule #1-DON'T SHOW THE MCGUFFIN!!! We never saw in the box in "7," or the briefcase in "Pulp Fiction," or even ever saw "The Maltese Falcon." Solo's mystery helped drive the series because we never knew why he did what for-until he fell in love with Leia. These things help tell the story, don't show us what's behind the curtain.
I was an extra in Showgirls when I was fresh off the bus in Los Angeles way back when. I thought it was an awesome experience. And I always enjoyed the movie, but perhaps I was biased.
I love Dracula. Johnny Depp was almost cast as Jonathan Harker, curious how it would have turned out.
I'd argue Val Kilmer never was hated for his performance in Batman Forever, it was a big summer hit in 1995, made a lot of money...unfortunately this success lead to Batman and Robin, and Batman Forever has never been forgiven since. But, this view is not the "consensus" for the internet age of discussion. Bob Kane spoke highly of Kilmer's interpretation too.
Totally agree!
It's a pity Val Kilmer never nailed it as Batman, as Bruce Wayne however, I couldn't fault his performance. The opposite is true for Michael Keaton, a lousy turn as Bruce Wayne, but as Batman, the only actor to beat him in a live-action movie was Christian Bale.
Yeah: I don’t mind Kilmer in the role; just Joel as director.
@@anthonybreecher310no thank yoy. The only Batman that was worse than Kilmer is Clooney. Batman Forever was not a good film. Neither of the Shumacher Batman movies were any good at all...
Yeah Batman Forever was fine. Not sure what he's on about there. It wasn't the greatest Batman movie ever but it's certainly not worth dumping on. Kilmer did a perfectly fine job of what the script allowed him to do showing Wayne's suave side pretty well. He did a pretty generic job of playing Batman (as opposed to Wayne) but the script didn't exactly allow for much more than that and honestly it was good enough for what ended up being a decent popcorn movie.
I want REDEMPTION for Elizabeth Berkeley. Just like Faye Dunaway in Mommie Dearest, SHE DID HER JOB AND SHE DID IT WELL FOR WHAT THE ROLE REQUIRED. People truly think actors have that much control over their performances.
I view Showgirls as a twisted fractured fairy tale lowkey. Nomi is our princess who will do what it takes to become the queen. Elizabeth was OVER-EXAGGERATED AF. Yes, director “steered her wrong” in YOUR opinion; but I think people were too focused on the OUTLANDISH-NESS of the entire project and they just made Elizabeth the scapegoat. Idk how you can’t see that her acting FITS the wackiness and EXTRAVAGANT nature of the piece. Also, it was the 90s. Ppl were still trying to hold on to decency that was dying FASTER AND FASTER., so they more than likely projected all of their hate onto the character of Nomi and Elizabeth for playing her. I.E NOT MY JESSIE SPANO. She definitely took the most heat tho. Joe was still able to make movies.
I love the risks she took. I loved her commitment to this crazy project. And I love that of everything that happens, SHE is the one to watch. That’s what great acting is suppose to do.
If ya don’t like the movie, that’s your opinion to have. But for her career to be STOPPED because of it was ABSOLUTELY LUDICROUS IMO. Elizabeth deserves a huge apology from THE WORLD.
SN: the Versace conversation is damn near David Lynch excellence.
Well, she never could act. If she could act she would have made a comeback.
Whatever, my guy... Showgirls was a shitty movie. Like it's literally a single step above soft core porn. In production value, acting, screen writing, the whole shabang. And Elizabeth Berkley was so miscast in that role that it wasn't even funny. Until you saw it for yourself, then it's hilarious... that movie fucking sucks and it gets worse every year that it isn't purged from existence.
@@deandrenicholas2545 great viewpoint! That’s what most people say.
I happen to feel the exact opposite. Most people just don’t get camp either. Never have.
@@Tanstaafl_74 not necessarily true cause most of “the business” is run by idiots. I can totally see her not getting another shot; not everyone needs a comeback
Ironically, we see my first point in Showgirls! 😂
I enjoyed Reacher and had no problems with Cruises acting. He just didn't match the physical description of Reacher
I liked several of these movies though I wouldn't call any of them genius. I do think poor Elizabeth Berkley got screwed (no pun intended) for Showgirls. The direction, Paul Verhoeven, TOLD her to overact and kept making her do it until it was ridiculously over the top and made it appear she couldn't act. He ruined her career for years because of that crap
That's such bullshit, we all watched Saved by The Bell, we all know Berkley can't act for shit. She did what pretty much every teenage girl who got famous in a wholesome family friendly show does: Got sexeh! Or at least tried.
I think everyone was coked to the gills on that set which didn’t help.
@@Chiller11 I'd believe that
Last Action Hero is a top 10 Schwarzenegger film and one of the best 90s action films, don't even @ me
Gonna @ you anyway because I agree.
The problem with the movie was the marketing. It was marketed as a family friendly action movie as opposed to a self-aware parody. A lot of people didn't like that.
It also wan't the change of direction in Schwarzenegger's movies. That was Kindergarten Cop 2 years earlier.
Agreed. When I got around to watching it to see a "bad movie", I thought:" Wait a minute, I like this one".
Just seeing Arnie as Hamlet makes this worth watching! And there's much more than that. I love this movie :)
I've always felt On Her Majesty's Secret Service and George Lazenby's performance were very underrated.
(Timothy Dalton, too.)
Timothy Dalton is often regarded as one of the best in acting department for Bond actors
I refuse to believe anyone didnt realise Starship troopers was satire when they saw it.
You severely underestimate the stupidity of the average American movie going audience at the time. People not understanding the satire was mostly a problem there, and much less so for international audiences.
My guy there are fascists *today* who don't realize (or refuse to realize) that Starship Troopers (and similar works like The Boys and Helldivers) are satirizing them and their worldviews.
@@TimberWolf99 Having witnessed only overseas military adventures employing disproportionately black, brown, and poor white soldiers, most American fascists have contempt for military personnel (and often for any kind of earnestness, in general). Why would they object to the satire in Starship Troopers? The in-universe propaganda makes them feel vicariously clever.
Spot on. Showgirls is a savage, funny (on purpose), cartoonishly vulgar and massively ironic takedown of Show Biz, specifically the rags-to-riches myth (genre) that permeates not just entertainment, but American culture in general. A recurring theme here is the increasing inability of critics to understand satire, especially as time goes on. Also, Keanu Reeves: always really thought that performance was hilarious (on purpose). HIs character has no "agency" (his entire function in the plot is to give Dracula a photo and react to his strange castle and behavior) so reading lines like a Cali stoner makes perfect sense.
I just realized that Johnny Rico was from Argentina as well. With what starship troopers is based on, that makes things darkly hilarious
In the original novel by Robert Heinlein, Johnny Rico turns out to be Philippino. His wealthy parents owed a house in Buenos Aires, among other places, but still spoke Tagalog at home.
@@user-mg5mv2tn8q oh wow! That’s interesting!
Dolph Lundgren as Frank Castle in The Punisher. He played Frank Castle with a cold detachment, as though something was dead inside of him. While this was because of his self-admitted limited acting ability, it fit the character perfectly.
Dolph lundgren as sgt Andrew Scott in universal soldier is fucking awesome
Is this commentary AI generated? There's repeated dialog and terrible pronunciation throughout the list.
There are a lot of problems with this, of course, but my head canon is that the Jack Reacher shown is a vacationing Ethan Hunt.
David Arquette As Gordy "The Law" Briggs Ready To Rumble (2000) as a young Wrestling fan I loved this movie It was entertaining also I watched WWE Smackdown every Friday In High School David Arquette made that movie very funny and I found his performance not too offensive honestly
Defense of Keanu Reeves in Dracula: "hehe, Keanu sound funny."
The funny thing about Cruise as Reacher is he nails everything BUT the appearance. The problem is that Reachers appearance is a large part of the character. He is supposed to be a guy that us visibly imposing and intimidating, someone that is ridiculously strong. Watching Cruise carry himself in this manner, which he totally does, is a little distracting. As is portions of dialog that refer to him looking strong enough to kill a girl with one punch.
I love the movie, but it was a poor casting choice on those grounds.
00:50 "Reacher?" Really?
The Amazon show's actor *looks* more like the book character, but *acts* so vastly differently, especially by comparison to Tom Cruise's portrayal in the films, I'm sincerely a bit baffled. Looks matter more than writing & acting to many, I guess? 🤷🤷♂🤷♀
I loved the 1st Reacher movie too, it didn't matter that Tom didn't look the part because he's such a great actor and gave wonderful presence.
For the Tom Cruise version, they changed some things to suit him better. For example, the fight outside the bar-that was just for Cruise. People who liked the books complained because that wouldn’t have happened. In the books, he’s so big and intimidating that those three men would have run off scared. But since Cruise is smaller, they doubt him and he proves them wrong. That’s the difference and why you didn’t notice it just watching the movie.
I love that Paul Verhoeven is on here twice for his campiness.
Never realised last action hero was considered a flop until it was on a what culture list a little while back. First saw it as a kid, loved it, friends love it, family love it. One of his best roles
Paint Your Wagon is the only musical film I like - and I consider it one of Eastwood's best roles.
Personally, I thought it was just okay, but my mother could watch that movie over and over.
Poor Lazenby! OHMSS is a cracking film, Savalas is awesome and Lazenby gets to crack probably one of the best Bond one liners, right at the start before the credits when the girl scarpers, he ponders with a wry smile, 'This never happened to the other fella!' Brilliant.
Did I just hear a reference to Bowling For Soup' s Val Kilmer?
I love Bowling for Soup! They played a show in Knoxville, TN and hung out and drank a few beers with me and my friends afterwards. Super nice guys!
I thought that Kilmer played Bruce Wayne well, the issue why Batman Forever probably made him regret it is the over the top acting of Tommy Lee Jones and Jim Carrey.
I dont care what anyone says, i loved Showgirls. The camp made it what it is and its a fun watch. Not every movie has to be so serious.
He’s grown younger is the Keanu line that lingers in my head from Dracula. I know I’m one of the few but I enjoy him in the movie!
Paint your wagon makes me 100% certain that if someone ever makes a Clint Eastwoood bio-movie, Hugh Jackman should play him; he's tough enough, can sing, can act, and most importantly it resembles Eastwood (IMO)
Once again I am forced to accept that my tastes in movies is diametrically opposed to the mainstream.
I thought Val Kilmer was the best of all the Batmans.
And though I got the symbolism in Starship Troopers I thought Casper Van Diem played his part with the appropriate degree of stick-up-my-butt tunnel vision that I have associated with the Nazi agenda.
George Lazenby was actually offered the role of James Bond after the one movie he made but he turned down the offer. That is why they persuaded Connery to come back
0:14 Well put! 😎 A lot of people need to give subjectivity some serious thought. Pleased to say I haven't seen any damaging trends from this channel's audience, though.
So 2 things
1 I absolutely love last action hero, the movie is great and it's a shame it wasn't as loved then as I love it now
And 2 the way George lazenby reacts to Tracy's death in ohmss is the most devastated I've ever seen James bond and made me feel for the character. I haven't seen a such heartbreaking bond moment from then till no time to die
Keanu Reeves performance in Bram Stoker's fit perfectly for his character and Last Action Hero is such an underrated movie but as always that's just my opinion
Showgirls is a brilliant movie.
Great story, nice cast, good performances.
And Elizabeth Barkley is GORGEOUS.
Also, Starship Troopers is a great movie too in every aspect.
Jemes Bond were never my thing.
I find them boring and nonsensical.
But with good cast most of them.
I prefer the Johnny English type of movies.
There's a difference between the cartoonish Bonds (Moore & Brosnan) and the more grounded, gritty Bonds (especially early Connery & early Craig).
The latter don't deserve to be brought down by the silliness of the former.
@@smartalek180 I know. But Bond's movies never "got" me for some reason.
I don't hate them but I will not watch them if I can do something better.
You know, I really liked the vintage Get Smart tv series.
That was great.
LOVE seeing On Her Majesty's Secret Service on this list! This has always been one of my favorite Bond films and is on my yearly Christmastime Action Flicks watchlist.
Also, Last Action Hero & Starship Troopers - but both finally started getting their much deserved respect a few years ago.
HellDrivers 2 also made people give StarShip Troopers a 2nd look which then lead people to Finally Realize the Sub Plot you spoke of
Another correction for WhatCulture, Paint Your Wagon is a great movie with brilliant and is better known for Wanderin' Star and Clint Eastwood singing 😎👍🏻
This episode was more a critique of criticism.
I saw Starship Troopers in highschool when it came out in the cinemas. I knew going in it was a satire on fascism. How critics of the time may have missed that is baffling.
None of those performances were SECRETLY GENIUS. Those are examples of "Movies that aren't so bad, according to our author".
From a headline like this, I expected to learn about actors putting extreme effort, like method acting or body change, into a role that won them a Razzie or something.
Performances, not movies. Hated, not underappreciated. Genius, not "quite okay".
I really liked Val Kilmer’s performance in Batman Forever, too. I hope that the Schumaker director’s cut is released one day (though that is unlikely).
Another performance that could have made the list is Jared Leto in House of Gucci. I know, that one is really hated, but, like I’ve heard someone say, he seemed to be the one person on the cast to have “gotten the memo” (knew what the movie should have been going for).
I think it's a mistake to dwell on a director's intentions. It's just not a good sign for a movie when there is a decades long debate about whether or not it is satire.
Listened to the narrator repeating himself verbatim in the Tom Cruise/Reacher segment, like he did not really have anything else to say. However, he is a Simpsons fan, which says it all IMO.
Whenever my friends and I watch starship troopers, we make fun of it the whole time. However it is a fun movie.
0:00 anyone else think John Rambo walking in here reminds them of SF6 intros?
George Lazenby as James Bond is second only to Daniel Craig.
I actually enjoyed the Solo movie and think it suffered from poor PR vs being bad itself. As someone said Eckhart was playing a young Hans Solo not a young Harrison Ford and the word of mouth killed it vs people giving it a chance.
“… running around some blue inferno…” -Johnathan Harker
The only Tom cruise movie I like is Legend and as for Val kilmer and Nicole Kidman i loved their performances in Batman Forever, then agian I was the age demographic at the time.
Lazenby was a great Bond in a great film.
Yeah it's well known Verhoeven had no idea what the premise was for Heinlein's novel so he just made up a thing with the writers and it totally back-fired. The casting of Van Dein did kind of jar as chisel-jawed Argentinian with the Book's Johnny Rico being Fillipino
I've always heard it the other way around, i.e. that Verhoeven hated the message of the story and deliberately made the movie version a mockery of the book.
I still really like the Han Solo movie i think to me it is atill one of the best Star Wars movies since Disney took over i have not been a big fan of the rest of rhem really Solo is awesome
Never had a problem with Jack Reacher as played by Tom Cruise. Just another case where people stupidly get worked up over "It's not true to the book!" when the movie is just perfectly fine on its own merits.
How cod anyone have taken Starship Troopers be taken seriously?
I dunno, maybe, just maybe, some people expected the movie to bear some relationship to THE BOOK IT WAS SUPPOSEDLY BASED ON!
It isn't, in fact everything about the film especially Verhoven's admission that he did not read the book, is an insult to everyone who ever read the book and the memory of Robert A. Heinlein who also wrote Stranger in a Strange Land aka "the hippie bible" and invented waterbeds and robotic manipulator arms (Waldos, a term he also created), and 37 plus other things he created in enough detail in his books for the patent office to give him the patent.
The Siskel and Ebert (the most popular critics at the time) review can be found on CZcams, if you are curious. The satire went over their heads. It seems that they had watched so many low-budget, bad sci-fi movies, that their first reaction was that this was just a high-budget, bad sci-fi movie. The satire part went over their heads. They just complained about an overly long movie with uninteresting aliens.
@@jfess1911 I stopped caring what Siskel and Ebert thought about movies in 1986.
Trying to justify Keanu's performance in Dracula is just stupid. Yes we all love him, but that performance is terrible and by far the worst of the film.
It wasn't a terrible performance, he was just terribly miscast. He wasn't miscast in Speed or the Matrix Trilogy or the John Wick movies.
I think Keanu Reeves is one of the best human beings in Hollywood but his acting range is relatively limited. He was just miscast.
In fairness to Reeves, it's not his performance that's bad, so much as his accent.
It's just that his accent is so overwhelmingly awful, it overshadowed the rest of his performance, which was basically okay.
His performance is on par with Winona Rider's, but her accent isn't nearly as bad as his, so it's not as jarring.
@@gregbasore2108I lay the blame fully on Coppola. The moment he heard Reeves's accent, he should have done a quick rewrite and either
A. Have Reeves speak naturally and change the character to be American or
B. Let Reeves keep the accent and explain Harkness was an Englishman who was schooled in the US during his teenage and early 20s, resulting in a Trans-Atlantic accent.
A couple lines of dialogue could have easily fixed the problem.
Don't y'all remember what this story is about and why that character might had been like that?
I love last action hero
I think that its funny how Tommy Lee Jones couldent stand Jim carrys buffoonery but he portrayed two face as more comically homicidal then serious homicidal.
I agree with a lot of points made in this video but there are 2 stand out movies here that I think get way too much flak. Batman Forever and Last Action Hero. Allow me to explain;
Possibly because I was in the pre-teen/mid-teen demographic when these movies released and therefore the exact target audience but I personally love these films. Batman Forever has the perfect mix of camp comic book over the top performances and action emblematic of 90's films, think about The Mask, a film hated by comic book purists but fondly remembered by most kids from the 90's. BF also keeps some of the dark brooding from the Burton films, introduces Robin with a suitably tragic back story. Really it's the villains that sell it, Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones are pitch perfect, for this film, that doesn't mean they are the quintessential portrayals of those characters but they turn in the best performances for the film they were making. Imagine swapping Jack Nicholson and Heath Ledger, 2 amazing Jokers but they would be totally wrong in each others films.
Then we have Last Action Hero, to me this film is Schwarzenegger's Demolition Man, it's quotable, it's got great action, it's got social and pop culture commentary, genuinely good performances by every cast member. It's magical, it's fantasy, it's fun. 'nuff said.
I didn’t know that people hated Jack Slater and Johnny Rico.
I liked Solo, just really can’t get on board with Emily Clark in anything, and seriously hated things like the way he got “solo” as a name. uhhhgh really?
Reeves plays himself no matter what role it is
Someone shouod remake Showgirls into a TV show
Stallone never won an oscar, he was just nominated trice
Critics don't know anything!!!
10) I liked "Jack Reacher!"
09) Never saw "Paint Your Wagon,"
08) "Starship Trooper" was pretty damn good! Then again, I saw the lampooning,
07) Keanu Reeves did well as Harker, but his accent was lacking...
06) OK, "Rambo III" was milking the franchise too far. "First Blood" did tell a very important tale, but was a bit of 80's machismo,
05) I enjoyed "Solo: A Star Wars Story" but I am really tired of the whole Disney-fication of Star Wars-to the point that I've bailed on anything Star Wars,
04) Kilmer did a poor job as Batman, but he was great as Bruce Wayne and Jim Carrey was great as the Riddler,
03) Lazenby didn't doo too bad a job as Bond, but as the host noted; he had to follow Connery and that was a Herculean task for anyone,
02) I love "The Last Action Hero!" It was the pinnacle of parody films!!!
01) OK, "Showgirls" is a guilty, campy, naughty pleasure...
Paint Your Wagon is a good movie
Lost me at number 10. Tom Cruise shouldn't even read Jack Reacher novels.
Is it bad that I always liked most of these performances?
Also... AsterISK not Asterix... Asterix is a Franco-Belgian cartoon Gaul from 1959, an Asterisk is a *
Personally, I believe that the Joker's /Costume/ was pretty bad in Suicide Squad....But Jared Leto's performance as Joker was pretty fucking solid.
I always loved Last Action Hero. OHMSS had more problems than just it's unfortunate casting for the lead role. The music, for one, was ABYSMAL!
Trying to reevaluate showgirls is like trying to turn a turd pile into a diamond.
Let's be serious though the real reason Solo failed was on the shoulders of the pile of shit that was The Last Jedi
If anyone says Last Action Hero is anything less than a masterpiece, we are throwing down.
You repeated the same sentence twice at 1:45 to 2:16.
Wait.. When did this come out? Are you talking about how "woke" Rambo was? Like how it total pointed out PTSD and how it got people in the 90s to care?
You included Clint Eastwood's performance as "Partner" in "Paint Your Wagon".
While his performance may have been good, his treatment of Jean Seberg certainly wasn't. He gave her the impression that he would marry her when he never had the remotest intention of doing so. In fact, he had another woman with whom he had relations during the filming while using Seberg as well.
This provided just one example of how Eastwood treated women throughout the years.
Luckily this is a list of performances, and not a list of most ethical dating patterns.
So treatment you disagree with affects your opinion of their performance. Strange
Lol the editing on these videos is so half-assed
Stallone has never won an Oscar.
It's hard to give an Oscar for playing the same character in every movie. But Tom Cruise got one, so Stallones is still possible.
@@1leadvocal When did Tom Cruise get an Oscar?
@@1leadvocalTom Cruise has never gotten an Oscar
@@DanielOrme @Joyono I am wrong. Thank you for informing me.
@@JOVONO I am wrong. Thank you for informing me.
So….Genius=not bad?
Sure. Ok🙄
Bram Stoker's Dracula is not even Bram Stoker's Dracula it was rubbish. Every time you have the authers name in the title you know it has eff all to do with the book.
Hi. So... "unlikely polycule"... I haven't seen Paint Your Wagon, but now I want to for sake of context.
It has one of the best scenes ever. As their under city gold dust scavenging tunnels start to cave in, the preacher falls underground and Lee Marvin, already underground, stands up, holds out his hand and says "Howdy preacher, welcome to Hell",.
@@jd190d hi there. Well, now I want to see it for that scene as well. Thanks.
No one is praising Solo for jackshit
Cruise as reacher was never a good idea okay
You are wrong about Starship Troopers! Critics and audiences knew it was a parody/satire. 🙄
I'm the first comment 🤣😅😂 woo hoo
So fucking what? 🤷♀️
okay
You lost me from the start, when you defended Tom Cruises. He is a movie star, not an actor.
allegory schmallegory.
No amount of explanation will ever convince me that Starship Troopers and Showgirls aren’t atrocious.
Yeah, Reeves' performance is worse than ever. He doesn't belong on this list.
I refuse to believe that Starship Troopers is either now nor ever widely loved!
Starship Troopers sucks as a movie in general, not just as a satire of anything... its just a shitty movie. So much of it is just GED levels of stupid. And Casper Van Dien is one of the worst, most wooden "actors" of all time.