Footage like this helps me understand in real-time how deep into the corner a rally driver's trail braking is. _Imma_ try this braking with my mom's Honda. See you guys later at the hospital.
Can you, in a WRC car throttle and brake at the same time? That's what I often do in the simulator (not always) and it works great, so I'm wondering if that's possible in reality. Like what I see happening in this case is that the brake discs could potentially get worn out faster but I'm wondering on the engine side, does it brake or? I mean I've seen the footage of old Group B cars where they did that and I believe Mr. Rohrl said it, that it makes the car more controllable but is it feasible as a technique, because I see the driver in this clip lifting off the throttle when he's breaking so I am a bit confused and wondering about the practical application. If you are wondering why anyone would do this, that is a bit besides the point but the idea is that it makes the car respond better when cornering (you could take the corner smoother this way?) and theoretically (sim) would make the car brake better as well, as an example: breaking and applying the throttle would make you catch the car if your regular breaking (with the throttle lifted) is too late and the car travels to escape the corner, where simply breaking hard would make the car slide and crash. Like if you just need to brake harder... in sort of an emergency again pertaining to missing a corner like needing to go square left or right and you are going too fast applying the brake and either dabbing the throttle gently or not lifting off the throttle completely while still applying the brake to correct better. I mean that last paragraph is kind of more subjective since I never drove a 4x4 let alone a rally car except a lot in the sims or games but still the question I think is valid: is it possible to brake and throttle at the same time and by that I do not mean always like for example not ever lifting off the throttle and just applying the brake to slow the car down.
@@wafflecone_wombatdrone Well you did and I thank you very much for seriously approaching my question and giving me a detailed and in-depth answer, one I can come back and read if I ever forget it :P I think it was also around 3 A.M. when I asked it, but thanks a lot for your explanation. It makes sense honestly and it shows how much understanding and to a certain extent technology has advanced from that famous Group B era, even though complicated it was, it still remains really my favorite WRC era. Those cars were something else (on many levels) and the methodology to master them shows for it :)
@@wafflecone_wombatdrone There's no electronic features nor systems that automatically do anything in these Rally1 cars, and in WRC cars since at least 2011 for that matter. I mean, ABS, traction control, stability control, and the like. All those things are forbidden in Rally1 cars like the one seen in this video. It's also clear how he bumps the brake and gives some slight throttle inputs under braking to make sure the rear is stable and the traction is on point. So the phrase _"all the driver needs to worry about now is when to brake and when to accelerate(there certainly is still tracks and events with exceptions tho!)"_ is wrong. They are _all the time_ working manually to make sure the car is stable, and this video makes it clear. Now, WhispersOfWind, WRC drivers also use that technique of applying throttle and brake at the same time. I guess it was specially useful in the previous WRC 2017-2021 cars, as the brake, throttle, and steering inputs affected the behavior of the active centre differential that's now gone in these Rally1 cars.
Yes. You can. When Audi entered their quattro Coupe way back, they noticed their drivers at the time used both feet(I saw a special that said it was Mouton). The Audi engineers devised a system that disengaged the clutch enough to not cause gearbox issues when the brake was pressed, and the throttle was still being pressed. Left foot braking is used in all manner of professional motorsport these days. .
Iâm curious these rally car guys when they are speeding thru what looks like small ass country towns and houses. Do the people living there know this is happening? Seems pretty irresponsible if they didnât
â@@Bwoahroracing12 and even that doesn't stop having problems with locals. For example almost crashing into a tractor or people entering in closed roads
@@OneShotKill3r I mean the only reason I asked is because a lot of these seem to be back country nowhere Poland or some shit lol not like in the city seems almost in the middle of nowhere and then thereâs a small cabin or something.. Iâm not into nascar and rally or whatever bro but yeah was just a question
Where do you see This footage being sped up? This looks natural, look up videos of POV rally races and zoom in on the video you will see this looks about right. Its got a small aspect ratio on what was probably a wide angle camera so it looks faster then it actually is because of the lower field of view
This is not sped up mate. All rally videos look like this. Also it doesn't even look sped up. Otherwise the feet would be jumping all over the place super fast.
Footage like this helps me understand in real-time how deep into the corner a rally driver's trail braking is.
_Imma_ try this braking with my mom's Honda. See you guys later at the hospital.
they brake and accelerate same times so much it does no make sense do that in every car you can get around it break ofc they keep fast with this.
My toxic trait is thinking i can do this by just watching this
why is there a clutch pedal anwy?
Can you, in a WRC car throttle and brake at the same time? That's what I often do in the simulator (not always) and it works great, so I'm wondering if that's possible in reality.
Like what I see happening in this case is that the brake discs could potentially get worn out faster but I'm wondering on the engine side, does it brake or?
I mean I've seen the footage of old Group B cars where they did that and I believe Mr. Rohrl said it, that it makes the car more controllable but is it feasible as a technique, because I see the driver in this clip lifting off the throttle when he's breaking so I am a bit confused and wondering about the practical application.
If you are wondering why anyone would do this, that is a bit besides the point but the idea is that it makes the car respond better when cornering (you could take the corner smoother this way?) and theoretically (sim) would make the car brake better as well, as an example: breaking and applying the throttle would make you catch the car if your regular breaking (with the throttle lifted) is too late and the car travels to escape the corner, where simply breaking hard would make the car slide and crash. Like if you just need to brake harder... in sort of an emergency again pertaining to missing a corner like needing to go square left or right and you are going too fast applying the brake and either dabbing the throttle gently or not lifting off the throttle completely while still applying the brake to correct better.
I mean that last paragraph is kind of more subjective since I never drove a 4x4 let alone a rally car except a lot in the sims or games but still the question I think is valid: is it possible to brake and throttle at the same time and by that I do not mean always like for example not ever lifting off the throttle and just applying the brake to slow the car down.
@@wafflecone_wombatdrone Well you did and I thank you very much for seriously approaching my question and giving me a detailed and in-depth answer, one I can come back and read if I ever forget it :P
I think it was also around 3 A.M. when I asked it, but thanks a lot for your explanation.
It makes sense honestly and it shows how much understanding and to a certain extent technology has advanced from that famous Group B era, even though complicated it was, it still remains really my favorite WRC era.
Those cars were something else (on many levels) and the methodology to master them shows for it :)
@@wafflecone_wombatdrone There's no electronic features nor systems that automatically do anything in these Rally1 cars, and in WRC cars since at least 2011 for that matter. I mean, ABS, traction control, stability control, and the like. All those things are forbidden in Rally1 cars like the one seen in this video. It's also clear how he bumps the brake and gives some slight throttle inputs under braking to make sure the rear is stable and the traction is on point. So the phrase _"all the driver needs to worry about now is when to brake and when to accelerate(there certainly is still tracks and events with exceptions tho!)"_ is wrong. They are _all the time_ working manually to make sure the car is stable, and this video makes it clear.
Now, WhispersOfWind, WRC drivers also use that technique of applying throttle and brake at the same time. I guess it was specially useful in the previous WRC 2017-2021 cars, as the brake, throttle, and steering inputs affected the behavior of the active centre differential that's now gone in these Rally1 cars.
Yes. You can. When Audi entered their quattro Coupe way back, they noticed their drivers at the time used both feet(I saw a special that said it was Mouton). The Audi engineers devised a system that disengaged the clutch enough to not cause gearbox issues when the brake was pressed, and the throttle was still being pressed. Left foot braking is used in all manner of professional motorsport these days.
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Wow no co-driver, impressive
LOL!!!!
Itâs common when driving a stage that the driver already knows.
There is a co driver but i dont think theres any pacenotes
I think thereâs a code over but the video doesnât have their voice on it
Rally cars are just big go karts.
Is this semetin?
The formula cars when they had a manual transmission
Boring, Walter could handle three pedals and that even faster đ
I miss H shifters in rally... makes foot cams not a waste.
Imagine watching those amazing drivers and see how they handle corners.
Iâm curious these rally car guys when they are speeding thru what looks like small ass country towns and houses. Do the people living there know this is happening? Seems pretty irresponsible if they didnât
Ofc the holder of the event notifies the people in the local area and the head organizers too
â@@Bwoahroracing12 and even that doesn't stop having problems with locals. For example almost crashing into a tractor or people entering in closed roads
My teacher always said there are no dumb questions, but⊠đ but yeah of course they know
@@OneShotKill3r I mean the only reason I asked is because a lot of these seem to be back country nowhere Poland or some shit lol not like in the city seems almost in the middle of nowhere and then thereâs a small cabin or something.. Iâm not into nascar and rally or whatever bro but yeah was just a question
@@OneShotKill3r do they go door to door?
Press x for doubt
Doubting what exactly?
@@flamingninja728 the correlation between this clip of driving and ballet lessons
@@late_night_club7217 Yeah, that's just what we humans call a joke. Nobody actually thinks there's a correlation
@@flamingninja728 grow up
@@late_night_club7217 Might wanna reread the things you've said, and think about the reasons you've said them, before saying that.
I thought you guys were better than speeding up footage in post...
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Where do you see This footage being sped up? This looks natural, look up videos of POV rally races and zoom in on the video you will see this looks about right. Its got a small aspect ratio on what was probably a wide angle camera so it looks faster then it actually is because of the lower field of view
This video is definitely not sped up. You must not watch a lot of rally videos.
This is not sped up mate. All rally videos look like this. Also it doesn't even look sped up. Otherwise the feet would be jumping all over the place super fast.
You wouldn't know, because you haven't been brave enough. Quite telling, that name.