DID IT SUCK? | Doctor Who [WEDDING OF RIVER SONG REVIEW]
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10:00 When Melody went and killed the doctor The Suit was in control because she was a child who couldnt control herself . When River was forced to kill the Doctor she was an adult and he water help short out the circuits long enough not to actually kill the doctor but to drain her weapons systems
You are such a beach about a top 10 in my Who episodes lists . But if you dont mind , where is Jim The Fish episode and Picnic at Asgard ? So far they only did Crush of the Bizantium
Can you perhaps keep your channel name for one week? Geez, it´s hard to keep up.......
Well, when Moffat was the showrunner and 11 was the Doctor, I developed a theory, that the Doctor´s name ("That is not the point!") is actually Susan! It all made so much sense. He was actually supposed to be a girl... .(btw didn´t we learn that the Timeless Child was initially female?)
but being a male, the Doctor was ashamed to tell anyone his name. For all we know, he only refused to tell his name since the Hartnell continuity... Plus, the showrunner´s wife was also named Susan (Sue Vertue, go watch the series "Coupling"! NOW! FAST!!). So the Doctor decided to at least name his granddaughter after himself. It seemed to make perfect sense to me......................
This is an episode that needed to be a 2 parter. 10 years on and I still don't understand the organisation or the silence or why the eye patch lady hates the doctor
Yeah, the episode always felt very rushed and half baked to me. Some pretty glaring plot holes/contrivances. Not to mention, a two parter might've given us a bit more time to explore the world of the bizarre alternate timeline, which could've been fun
Yeah, not sure why the James Corden episode previously needed to exist. Probably could have saved more money just making this a 2 parter.
Yup, really needed to be a 2 parter. It feels like clips from a whole season just slammed together. I literally find this episode baffling. It just doesn’t hang together as a single entity IMHO.
I mean its explained fairly well when you watch the whole storyline
This is all explained to us in time of the doctor.
SPOILERS IF YOU HAVENT SEEN THIS EPISODE FOR SOME REASON. read below if you wish.
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The silence are confessional priests from the papal mainframe. The timelords find a weak point in the universe emanating from the town of Christmas on the planet trenzalore. They put a truth field round the planet and lure the Doctor there with a mysterious signal so he can answer the oldest question, Doctor who? (It’s so cringe but that’s the plot) if the doctor answers the question and gives his real name, the time lords will know they’ve found the correct universe and will break through and return to our universe.
Meanwhile, the papal mainframe are the first to hear the signal, so arrive first and shield the planet. A hoard of the doctors enemies eventually turn up and surround trenzalore as well and become aware that the time lords are trying to return. If the Doctor brings the timelords back, he fears a new time war will begin. So he can’t answer the question to let the time lords through. At the same time he can’t leave the planet as the enemies in orbit would kill everyone in the town to get to the time lords. So there’s a 300 year stalemate (might be longer than that) where the Doctor stays on trenzalore to protect the people and avoid a new time war and the enemies above attempt to destroy the town
It is in this time that the papal mainframe, who are shielding the planet as best they can from the hoards of orbiting enemies, dedicate their religious order to a new purpose. The purpose of silence. The doctor will not answer his name to let the time lords through, the time war will not begin again. Silence will fall. And thus begins a long ass war between the papal mainframe, the Doctor and thousands of his enemies.
Eye patch lady works for the papal mainframe and is becoming sick of the bloodshed, the endless bitter war that she mentions in a good man goes to war
Doctor: ‘What war? Against who?’
Madam Kovarian: ‘against you, Doctor’
So she therefore breaks off into her own rebellious chapter with a load of those confessional priests to do her bidding. She steals a time ship and flies off back in time to begin her plot to kill the Doctor. If the doctor never reaches trenzalore, then the war will never break out. And thus here begins her shenanigans of blowing up the TARDIS in series 5, engineering a psychopath to kill the Doctor, stealing Amy and rorys child, trying to create a fixed point in time to kill the Doctor at lake silencio.
And that’s pretty much that..
- This whole series arc just feels incomplete
-The issue I have with Brigadier's death is how it's kinda just shrugged off in the end. Learning about one of his oldest friends passing is what lead to the Doctor accepting his time has come. But then right after that he's like JK!
The issue with incessant teasing is payoff. You should have payoff, but the audience expects it to be really good as well. I think Matt Smith's era suffers because when you look at the finales, say the Silence...even now people feel quite confused, or it's such a weak handwave you wish they did more contained episodes like Amy's Choice
This was mainly due to Matt Smith leaving the show early. Moffat had planned on having Matt stay for a fourth season, in which he would continue the silence arc, but Matt asked to be written out after the 50th. That kind of explains why season 6 feels so unfinished, and why Matt Smiths final episode feels so jam packed. Had Moffat known Matt wanted to leave earlier, he probably would have continued the silence arc into season 7 instead of the whole great intelligence story
Yes exactly this! None of the reveals pay off in a satisfying way. This is why in all of Moffats who, I find myself preferring the stand alone episodes a lot more than the series finales. I remember Amy and Rory moments more from Amy's choice and the girl who waited than from any of the continued storyline episodes. - The Silence were such a wasted concept. A blink type episodes with them would've been awesome. Or maybe a two parter... But like you said... Just what were they?
when river touches doctor time resumes but if he was a robot touching shouldnt have matter
I miss looking forward to new Dr Who and watching it with my father.
Why don’t you watch it with him anymore
@@gromitx1682 cause the writing blows and it’s boring. If it was fun to watch and he was still alive I would. He was still around for the first season under Chinballs but like a lot of us lost interest after a few episodes. And then no more Xmas specials which was another family watch together gone. Need I say more.
Think you’ll look forward to Flux or S14?
4:35 When i first saw this i thought that was Noel Fielding, He looks like a Mighty Boosh character
So time ended because River Shot the doctor and he died, yet, he wasn't shot, didn't die, so why did time stop again? Maybe time wasn't aware he wasn't shot, wasn't looking into his eye. Silly time.
lmao i've never realized the guy playing chess with the doctor was mark gatiss, or anyone important. my mind has basically passed down any useless unimportant detail, meaning this whooole episode
Curious how the last episode of the previous series was there being absolutely nothing, no stars, no time, just 1 singluar earth.
Whilst the final episode of this series is absolutely everything, all of time frozen at one moment.
It's an interesting parallel even if the episode is a bit meh
I kind of like the moment where he finds out the brigadier is dead. But it’s also always bothered me because the doctor’s a time traveler. Couldn’t he just go back to a day when the brigadier was still alive?
That would cause a paradox. The nurse said he always waited for the Doctor to come back. Which means he never did and therefore he no longer can. He has to stay relative to his own time and now hes died in his timeline he cant visit him anymore. Although it could still be possible if the brig just never mentions it and noone else knows.
@@RandomNameLastName811 Difference is he travelled to the future to get there and knew what would happen. That always happens, and he cant change that. Bit different to a person whom he had already had a history with and knows when the last time he aaw him was and that the Brig didnt see him again before he died. Because he knows that the Brig didnt see him again before he died, he cant go and see him now because that fact has been established and is now set in stone. If he had called him before he died he could have visited him but he now knows that the Brig never saw him again and cannot change that.
For me this is the episode (or maybe Let's Kill Hitler) was when the show started spiraling into being very inconsistent at best. There were some great individual episodes and a lot of memorable characters but story and plot wise things were a lot less interesting. I wouldn't even say its nostalgia since I watched series 1 to 6 after seeing the rest of the Moffat era due to when I started.
Couldn't have said it better myself
‘Look in to my eyes, the eyes’ God i loved that. Im so glad Matt Lucas and David Walliams are coming back to make more.
more what?
Little Britain.
I don't know if that *is* the answer, I just guessed...from context.
They were going to however plans were cancelled due to the BLM protests
@@dyerdude8490 God, they just ruin everything don't they?
@@BradTheThird I mean I’m disappointed but it is an important movement. I think it’s abit far to say that “they ruin everything”
I really think this finale would have been a lot better if it was split into 2 parts. There are just too many ideas for a solo episode
aw imagine not knowing of the brigadier
Ikr, how does a fan of the show, even without watching the classics not know of the brigadier
The problem with this finale is that half the important information Moffet left for "time of the doctor". Its actually quite a cool plot but it is unbelievably convoluted. I think he should have wrapped all of it up in a 2 parter. Instead we still aren't informed about who the silence are ? Why they want to kill him aside from a question? What war against the doctor they're talking about" if all the trenzalore stuff was part of this it might make more sense.
I mean yea "the time of the doctor" is supposed to explain "silence will fall" as a war rages over thar crack to gallifrey.
That episode was also a bit too crammed though so its deff another source of confusion.
Moffat did however improve upon his messy time constraints with s8-10 though.
4/10 is his go-to rating. What’s the point of all the other numbers if he’s not going to use them!
A hot mess of a finale. I remember fans at the time clamouring that Moffat was so clever and his writing so smart. It's got its moments but the response baffled me
I want to go off but then I feel like it would be taking the bait. I never thought the Silence were trapped or caught. I will defend this episode. The interesting question is: if time is cyclical, that mean the moment happens over and over and that begs the question, from everyone else's perspective do they just see what happened in episode 1 or do they see they experience the alternate world? Maybe it's because I love the Doctor and River, but I think this episode is great. And for the hand tying, some cultures will tie/bind the marrying couple together either at the wrist or waist.
From my experience the twist with the Teselecta is generally viewed in a negative light so it's a change to see someone who likes it
It is a bit of an easy cop out
My favourite part of the episode was seeing the dude who played Charles Dickens in The Unquiet Dead again. Loved that episode, very comfy.
Yeah… it was so disappointing that Kovarian just didn’t matter… 😞
12:35 That "look into my eyes" sound from Little Britain figuratively killed me 😂
1:34 to skip ad
Thank you so much.
In order to better seperate the good Doctor Who episodes from the bad, I invented a game where I compare two similar episodes with each other and then decide, which one I like more.
For example:
Which is better?
Wedding of River Song or The Rings of Akhaten?..................
But what do I know? My #1 all time favorite episode (because I rewatch it the most often) is The Return of Doctor Mysterio........
Just go through the whole series, scoring all of them.
yeah lets be honest it missed the mark this episode and the mashed up nature of time going wrong is a perfect fucking allegory for moffat's head at the time so in that way it does summarise series 6. also p sure the dalek appears due to the agreement with the terry nation estate for them to feature in the show once every year
13:31 Matt Smith's right hand. I dunno if it's the angle, but it looks like House transplanted it lol.
I’ve always wondered whether or not she whispered something else into 10’s ear in the library… but at the end he’d have no reason to lie about it cause there was nobody else in the room so it’s weird
He literally says in forest of the dead that she said his name
@@user-op6kt8pg9y yeah exactly! How does she know his name if that isn’t what 11 said to her when they were getting married? Uh huhhhhh
@@NileSWPhotography ah see i got confused ive never actually seen the episode where they get married i stopped after matt Smith altogether tbh my guess is Moffat during the RTD era wanted to build on the 10th doctor being more human and the idea of him being married and telling someone his name would be new and exciting but as the story of river and the doctor got on and it became more of a fairytale under Moffat i think he just either forgot or threw it out the window just because either way I dont like him for it because as a kid that was one of the main things drawing me in to watch past Tennant was river song especially that 2 parter
@@user-op6kt8pg9y yeah I lost a lot of interest after series 5/6. Didn’t like the direction the show went after RTD and DT left so I’m with you. But yeah 11 doesn’t tell river his name he just tells her to look into his eyes so.. kinda weird Hmmmm
The thing is, the doctor did say what his name was in the original series. I forget what it was, since it doesn't matter, but I think it was during Tom Baker's run, with either Leela or Romana as the companion. He met another time lord, and the other one said, "Hey [name] fancy meeting you here."
This was doctor who version of flashpoint paradox comic
Did it suck? Yes indeed it did
with new who not being very practical i feel like the doctors name is going to be who just for the joke
6:18 Well Tom, THAT'S THE JOKE!
The wedding tradition i always assumed it to be a galifreyan tradition
Seriously, how could he not figure it out?
@@user-is7xs1mr9y dude i know
Guys... we know what the Doctor's name is... it's obviously Tekteyun Junior.
Are you sure you like Doctor Who?
Being a fan does not mean liking all, or even the majority.
There's no one more judgemental towards Doctor Who than a Whovian
Oh yes it did
The only problem i have with this episode is River saying outside this bubble the Universe is still turning and when Amy asks why cant it stay this way the Doctor insists that the universe is going to die when it s clear its not the case
You know I’ve noticed a trend in NuWho. The second series of a NuWho Doctor’s tenure always seems to end with a divisive mess of a story that often damaged the perception of the entire season.
Tennant had ‘Last of the Timelords’, Smith had this mess, Capaldi had ‘Hell Bent’ and Whittaker has ‘Timeless Children’.
*Time Lords
*The [Timeless Children]
Damn, you're right. Hell Bent actually hurts me on a personal level because I think Series 9 is Capaldi's more consistent season in quality, but I imagine people who like Series 12 feel the same about The Timeless Children. That's assuming they aren't delusional and actually like the episode though.
What's worse - this or The Name of the Doctor? Probably this... but maybe not, it does have some fun creative ideas in the first half. Well, maybe that, then.
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Everyone’s a critic.
Despite the flaws you gotta admit the Dorium part at the very end did give a solid chill.
The first question, the question that must never be answered. The question you've been running from all your life. Doctor who? Doctor WHO? Doc. Tor. _WHO?_
Still, the whole thing teasing the Doctors ‘true’ name is a bit annoying. It’s very clear Moffat is just baiting the audience, as the true answer is that ‘the Doctor’ is his name, it’s what happens on fucking gallifrey, they are assigned titles to uphold them, they don’t just have secret ‘true’ names that they never reveal to anyone just so they can make a mystery out of it.
One thing that I hate about this entire episode. WHY WAS THE REAPORS NOT THERE DEVOURING EVERYTHING
The reapers don’t necessarily always appear when there’s something wrong in the timeline. They’re more like parasites that just attack when the timeline is weak. There’s no saying they have to be there every single time
@@darudesandstrom1067 would've just been cool to see at least one eating someone yknow
One thing that I’ve never understood, is that if the Doctor who was killed at the lake was the Teselecta, then why was his so called death a fixed point in time?
He didn’t actually die, and therefore events continue as normal. So why did all of time just suddenly stop because River didn’t shoot him. What would have actually changed if River hadn’t shot the doctor at the Lake? He would be alive regardless.
To me this is probably the biggest plot hole of the series but nobody seems to mention it
Nobody would think he was dead ig? That would leave a lot of ripples seeing river's imprisonment
Have you thought about selling the Big Issue?
They should never revival the doctor's name let's be honest
7/10
For me series 10 had Moffatts only great series finale, with 5 and 8 being mediocre and 6, 7 and 9 being straight up bad
Also it’s a shame S6 finale was a mess given I think S6 had the best ever opening episode
I don’t particularly like this episode, one of two times I’d give an episode lower then wot u would (also a draw but night terrors which I’d give a 5),3/10
5/10
I'm kind of hoping the 100 BBC annivesary special has a showcasing the Brig's funeral or the 60th
Short answer: Yes!
Long answer: Well.......... I liked it, but that´s because my brain works weird and I am a nerd and this episode is convoluted as hell, I would have to write 2 paragraphs to explain in order for anyone to adequately understand......
why do all Moffat finales get a 4/10?
moffat kinda sucks
This whole series was just as confusing as the FNAF timeline
Will there be a Doctor Who: Flux - Did it suck?
Ah i see chris chibnall is a patron to the channel... must be to see what not to do in his stories....and then does the opposite
You didnt know who The Brigadier was? Really? You've just lost all credibility
You seriously joked about someone dying?
Death is Meta
Its going to happen to all of us. What else can you do beyond trying to find the humour in death?
I'm only a third into this review and Moffat has already given me a headache. Much as I do like much of Moffat's stuff, his big buildups always seem to peter out into nothingness. P.S. The Brigadier was always awesome, as was Nicholas Courtney, the person who played him.
I remember HATING this series with an absolute passion. Just way too convoluted, culminating in a jumbled, mess of a finale. Some of the individual episodes are good, but overall one of the weakest seasons for me.
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imo One of the most boring, forgettable series finales ever in doctor who, along with the battle of ran....whatever! ughhh the wifi episode i forgot that one too haha. Really need you to review some classic episodes with the brigadier
this whole episode didn't make any damn sense and it wasn't enjoyable to watch none of them are likeable idefk anymore
Yes. It sucked. Great Doctor, horrific script.