What does the Bible mean by “you are gods” in Psalm 82:6 and John
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- Does the Bible say we are gods, or that we will become gods? In this video, Pastor Nelson answers your question: What does the Bible mean by “you are gods” in Psalm 82:6 and John 10:34?
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It's amazing how deep the bible is with just a single verse and many ways to interpret depending on whom reads, we barely scratched the surface with it too.
thank you i agree, theres so many ways to see it
We are made in His image and likeness. We are becoming the fullness of Him. This will not be in time, but in eternity. We will always be creation and not the Creator. We will Be like Him in kindness, forgiveness, gentleness, love, joy, peace and patience. These things are the fullness of Him ; the Christ. His people on earth are in a process of sanctification where we choose this fullness. We will never outdo the Creator. ❤
Thank you...
Ah, "gods" is just a title, or term, and does not refer to us being "Gods" at all. Very helpful video.
Thank you, You are most helpful to me in understanding our God.
Can you do a video on Philippians 2:5-11 and how it pertains to this and human Belivers sealed in Christ ?
Your gods, tell me jesus was your god or god gods or begotten son of gods.
Jesus can not be father as well as son.What begotten means.
important to note that the "g" in "god's" is a "lowercase g" , so there are human judges but there is still one Judge.
That mean the author and these translators understood they were not Gods but gods, human judges. That was written on skin or papyrus and all capitals or all lowercase with no gap between letters. It was the discretion of the translators to put lowercase or higher case letter because of the context. Just saying 😅
God = YHWH
gods = children of light that worship the one true God.
@@fightsatan2408 yes! YHWH is the name of God but we don’t know how to say it. That is why the translators subjugated with Adonai Lord. Because how do you read that name. Also over 2500 times God is Elohim plural.
@@josephrobi6806 he who has the Son (Jesus) also has the father.
No man can go to father except through Jesus.
So it does not matter how you pronounce YHWH
@@fightsatan2408 One part is true only through Jesus but the other part is silly. How do you pronounce if we don’t know? You may say it but it would only be a quest at this point. God did not allowed it. We better stay away from that.
Good call on allowing the comment section for open discussion.
This one was very helpful. I have heard many sermons and read many commentaries, but this brought the clarity I was in need of.
Amen, I needed the reminder of the meaning behind this verse. ❤ 🙏
Thank you for that clear-cut understanding
Amen! Great Teaching Pastor Nelson! HalleluJAH!
Thanks for another great video.
Clearly the Bible tells you he said man is made in my image, Jesus spoke for you would do greater things in the end times, Yee are God's. Study the seat of the soul,. Clearly we are manifestors written and spoken into existence the same power image, one must crucify his flesh sacrificing the desires there of! It's the real teachings of yah❤
It’s a lowers case gods. You cannot call humans God with an uppercase G. There’s a difference between god and God
This video is clear and straight. Thank you for this work. Your concluding point is quite emphatic. People need this lesson.
Thanks for this explanation and tackling the tough questions at times!
Thanks for the info!!!
Yes, the Almighty is the God 🙏❤️ the only God.
This was really good brother. Thank you and God bless you 🙏🏼✝️
I’ve been wondering for a long time what this verse meant. Thank you
Great explanation!
Thanks that was a really sound answer.
God has a Heavenly counsel they are the sons of God (spiritual beings) He (God) made them before He created us, before He created the earth.
“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements-surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? On what were its bases sunk, or who laid its cornerstone, when the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:4-7 ESV
Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them to present himself before the Lord.
Job 2:1 ESV
Psalm 83 talking about His heavenly council, His heavenly Host, the sons of God.
Excellent
According to some cults they want to say that we’re equal to God.
Whatever could be the problem with that? 😂
That's why they are cults
Facts. Even those pesky charismatics 🙄
@@Mojo32 nothing wrong with many charismatics. I don't group everyone in a church denomination into good/bad/true church/cult. Doesn't work that way. We will find out when we get to heaven who were the sheep and goats. With groups like Jehovah witnesses that's different. They are a cult but with charismatic, pentecostal, baptist, Lutheran, presbyterian, etc , I do not make judgement calls like that.
@@zerosteel0123 Then clearly you don't pay attention. They literally believe they are also gods and/or like gods... amongst many other false doctrines. DO YOUR HOMEWORK, "zero steel!" 😂 Sheesh 🙄 Regardless, not sure why you're calling me out as the comment is clearly valid, one just needs to actually read the Bible in context and then watch/listen to their shenanigans. But as they say, "opinions are like bellybuttons..." And as a fellow human, you have a right to have one like the rest, BUT it is typically wiser to actually understand the references before you talk down to the rest of us. OPEN YOUR EYES. Maybe it is because you yourself lean towards the charismatics 🤔 lol that'd explain your sensitivity towards the comment I suppose.
For Mormons, it doesn't matter what the Bible says because they think it is corrupt. For them, it comes down to a feeling, a "burning in the bosom," which is entirely subjective. The Bible explicitly warns against this kind of subjectivity in Jeremiah 17:9, and Paul explicitly warned against a new/different "gospel" in Galatians 1:8-9. But since Mormons defer to their feeling instead of what God has said in the Bible, they disregard the Word of God. It's very sad and tragic.
I think this is the case with Penticostals as well. 🙁
I am a former Mormon, now born again Christian. I am trying to understand this verse better so that l can discuss it with my lds family. Do you think it is refering to Nephilim? The tribe of Dan? I have wondered this, or if it refers to human rulers?
This is an open question to anyone who can help. Thanks.
@@inChristalone1960 It's referring to human rulers (I believe the video covers this). The very next verses in that Psalm say "...but you will die like mere men." Since they die, they can't be gods. Also, the Bible is clear that there is only one God, that there has always been only one God, and that there will never be more than one God (see Isaiah chapters 42-48 - God repeats this many times in those chapters. He says He doesn't even know of any other god (meaning real gods, not false gods like Baal of which there are many - keyword "false" meaning they're not actually gods).
@@CT-if2tt Thankyou for your response. That was helpful. Blessings.
@@inChristalone1960 You're very welcome - I'm glad it was helpful. I'm thankful for what God has done and is doing in your life! If you're looking for good biblical resources, check out gotquestions (it won't let me paste the full address but it ends in org).
The Hebrew word for god just means power. Anyone or anything that was given power over other people in the Bible was considered a power, or a god. That’s why the Lord is referred to as the Most high God or sometimes as the only god. He is the true source of power. That doesn’t mean he is the only one that can be considered a power. That’s because he gives his power to others and has a multi-seated throne according to Revelation . There’s no reason to mysticize the word God or to misrepresent what “Mormons”, or members of the Church of Jesus Christ, believe about them.
In psalms 82 the gods it is referring to is the gods of other nations. In Deuteronomy chapter32:8-9 it talks about the most high dividing up the nations and Israel is the lords inheritance. In the New Testament with Jesus quoting psalms 82 interpreting the gods as human judges is a later reinterpretation of the passage
thanks . It's clear
Amen, amen, and amen you are the one and only true God. ☝️🙏☝️
Well put together. 😅
I was reading Psalms earlier and left with the impression that it was talking about people in position of power and authority i.e judges. I subscribe to that main view because of the overall context of the passage.
The passage talks about people who were not being just where it came to the wicked and the fatherless.
Who would have the role of one who deals with justice? A judge. And then the passage even ends with God saying he is THE judge above everyone else. So it's like here are these men with power to the extent that they're like gods but because of their evil, one day they'll be taken down several pegs and humbled like the rest of us.
Although the bit in the first verse talks about a divine council - I think we must remember this is in a book of poetry. It won't always be literal. I think it's simply metaphorical language to describe these powerful men as 'gods'.
Now, on the point about it possibly being angelic beings...I don't think that argument is strong enough because angels do not have authority to dole out justice on earth. Either they're demons rebelling against God until the Day of judgement or angels who are ministering spirits/messengers of God.
On the argument from Mormons et al about "little gods" or lesser gods - that's already debunked based on scripture in which God says he alone is God deserving of worship and glory. Oftentimes where "gods" are mentioned, its negative and usually refers to false man-made gods.
@camillewilliams3185 Camille, YES! You should do a video on how to rightly divide the word of God. I am agreeing with (almost) everything you said. I only propose that God is addressing the religious powers of the day like the Levitical priesthood that had authority of life and death over the people like a god. It is no coincidence that Jesus would bring up Ps 82 to the religious authority that wanted to stone Him to death.
~ John 10: 34-35; Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your law, ‘I said you are 'gods'?
If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),..."
This is Jesus revealing their hypocrisy telling them the scripture is calling you 'gods' and you want to stone me for saying I am the Son of God.
Thank you and Look Up!
Thankyou
Thanks
Great job brother. I hope many People lost in cults will find your message.
LDS need the true Jesus
We are the sons of the most high
I guess this will also be connected to the day we believers will judge the world, because we had faith in Christ, and even the angels as the Apostle Paul told us in 1 Corinthians 6:2-3.
I wonder if this was partly meant as a stumbling block, as many use it for false teaching, trying to say that "we, humans, literally are gods".
These are definitely not human judges, they are supernatural beings. Psalm 89 places these elohim in the skies. I haven't seen Jewish elders up there. In john, Jesus is quoting psalm 82 not referring to the group he was speaking to as "you". See Michael Heiser's work on this connection. It makes perfect sense
I've read Heiser, but am not convinced. My biggest problem is how these lesser Elohim would carry out the social justice mentioned in this Psalm. The language is much better suited for human rulers.
1 cor 6:2-3
Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life!
@@DanielScottJohnston Read Deuteronomy 32.8-9.
@Spaceman Spiff nailed it. Deut 32: 8-9 (dead sea scrolls reading) tells us that that nations (except Israel) were put over lesser elohim (sons of god) as a judgement for the Babel incident. The term elohim never refers to humans, it is always something disembodied. In psalm 82 they were being judged for their misconduct. That's why at the end of the psalm the writer is asking God to take back the nations. That begins at Pentecost. The 1 Cor passage is clearly speaking of future events and doesn't help us interpret Psalm 82. But it does tell us that God's plan for our future is to displace the corrupt sons of god. For most of my life I missed the context of deut 32 and psalm 82. When you do take a supernatural worldview of the old and new testament, it really makes a lot of things more clear.
Bottom line is these are interesting things to talk about, but they don't change the gospel or any major doctrine.
@@utubewillis24
Jesus said in John 10:35
If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be set aside-
So the born again children of God is how I see it. Thanks
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What do you say to a brother in Christ who ties the Greek words “kosmos”, the topic you speak of here, “gods”, and the Bible verses which refer to “you are kings and priests” together for some yet to be defined personal role in heaven?
Amen
Can you do a video explaining Philippians 2:5-11
Romans 8:29
I auppose it is relative to being a "Lord" (ie, lord or lady) meaning authority.
Every born again person is god = children of light
Having well explained the two possible meaning of the term 'gods' in Psalm 82 - an explanation that clearly shows the word 'God/god has a range of meanings, the Pastor concludes by contradicting himself. Jesus in jOhn 10 :24-36 clearly shows Jesus to be identifying himself as the promised mesiah and calls himself the Son of God, not God.
The whole point is that the Jews were claiming that he was callimg himself a God/god and Jesus made it clear that he could call himself Soin of God.
Thank you sir
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the original lie was "ye shall not surely die".
Unfortunately a lot of charismatics push and claim that "we" are gods and can do the things He can/could.
A bunch of phonies in the charismatic churches for sure.
@@bighand1530 For sure. They lack quite a bit of discernment by wanting to read themselves into EVERY Biblical text.
@@Mojo32 Wow.
@@bighand1530 ?
Ephesians 4:13
I don't know but genesis 3:22 states different? Tho we are cursed there is LIGHT, we must acknowledge GOD and leave our idols(money) and start serving GOD of Life(JESUS)..I mean GOD did say to serve >>>THE LORD
I'm trying to figure out when this happened. The "gods" we see in ancient history all around the world, were the fallen angels, when God saw them being unjust he condemned them all, but when did this happen?
The gods of the other nations were sentenced to death in Psalm 82. But that sentence isn’t carried out until Jesus’s resurrection. See Colossians 2:15 and Ephesians 4:8. The “captives” in Eph. 4:8 are the corrupt “beney elohim” of Deuteronomy 32:8 and Psalm 82.
Good question. What "made-up" answer did you come up with this time?
6:17 it's weird that the gnostic view of Jesus being the serpent in Genesis is validated at 6:17 because instead of being antithetical it is the same message
Seems pretty strait forward. They were originally called Sons of the Most High by God, as well as Gods. The Septuagint translation changes this to Angels and the Masoretic called them rulers.
This is the correct answer, unfortunately this does not clear the issue of Blasphemy.
So guy walked up to me in Walmart today asking if I know that I’m a god..? I told him show me where in the Bible does it say I am a god and not a child of god ?
Genesis 3:22 God says that man has become like one of us to know good and evil and yes God tell us tell I not say you are like gods JOHN 10:34 amen ✅👍💯🦔🦅
Very good presentation. Have you considered John 8:41 compared to John 10:30-33? The Jews also claimed that God was their Father. This is evidence that they were not truly about to stone Him because of His claim of being one with the Father. It was their excuse for doing so, but not their real motivation. Matthew 27:18 tells us that envy was their motivation.
My question is why did they translate it gods . Which cause so much confusion. Could have just said judges or rulers .
Question. Elohim is used in respective or/and plural forms. If it was used as the plural form. How can Jesus be Yewhaw/ Johova? After a few verses, Jesus claims that "I am that I am" as the god. Could you please explain that to me? Can you get the literal translation of Psalam 82:6. Since English doesn't have a plural form of "you" , the pronoun becomes a problem.
Probably becoming judges is what being gods is. Liuke 19:18The second servant came and said, ‘Master, your mina has made five minas.’ 19And to this one he said, ‘You shall have authority over five cities.’Luke 22:29
And I bestow on you a kingdom, just as My Father has bestowed one on Me,
Not to incite a debate or disagreement, but @ 0.35 you are not quoting Psalms 82:6. You are actually quoting Psalms 82:6 AND 7.
The only reason I bring this up is because when quoting from the scriptures, I think we should be truthful and transparent as possible.
So hes saying hes god as an authority but he says that him and the father are one, and many people use this verse to say he is God? So is he just an authority with high status or is he God?
All religions are worldly and the lack knowledge is why most people will never see the truth. And you listening to men rather than listening for the Holy Spirit is what’s keeping you on the fence!
Paul's letters to Timothy clearly indicate there are men who are meant to teach.
The reality of this subject is that Jesus married humanity and divinity in His incarnation, death and resurrection. We have become partakers of the divine nature. Corporately speaking, together, we are the actual body of Christ. Whatever He is, so we are also. Pretty simple.
Please define “we” and use Scripture to explain.
@@klarag7059 We is all of humanity. This would be the all that die in Adam and the same all that are made alive in Christ. That would also be every human being, which are the offspring of God and live and move and have their being in Him. That particular all includes the pagan idol worshippers that Paul was addressing in Athens. It would also include every tongue that eventually will confess Jesus Christ as Lord. Pretty much everybody.
ok, then in Genesis 6:1-4 ,
When man began to multiply on the face of the land and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of man were attractive. And they took as their wives any they chose.
who're the sons of God, king's sons on the ground or angels in the sky?
Human Judges or People of Authority who lived long periods of Time.
That is why it said "MIGHTY MEN WHICH WERE OF OLD," and "MEN OF RENOWN."
Now lets use the dictionary.
MIGHTY - Someone who is very potent and powerful that has a lot of influence with leadership qualities.
OLD - having lived for a very long time. Remember that people back then use to live for hundreds of years
RENOWN - The condition of being known or talked about by many people; basically someone who is very famous.
GIANT - A person of exceptional talent or qualities; someone who is larger than life.
The Sons Of God were righteous men that walked in fellowship with God. The Daughters of Men were the ungodly and unjust women that the righteous men fell for because of their beauty.
1 Corinthians 15:33 says "Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners."
Basically it is saying that BAD COMPANY CORRUPTS GOOD MORALS, which is very true.
King Solomon was righteous, but when he got old, a lot of those wives and concubines turn him away from God. The samething happen with the Sons of God
Verse 3 made it clear that the scripture is talking about humanity when God said "My spirit shall not always strive with MAN, for that he also is flesh."
Verse 4 made it clear that Mighty Men and Giants existed before the Sons of God came into the Daughters of Men.
So Genesis 6:1-4 is really talking and Human beings, not angels. The Book Of Enoch came up with that false Angel theory.
Helpful, except where he misquotes psalm 82:6 @ 5:28.
When he shows John 10:34-36
He didn't misquote it at all. What he did was show the verse (Psalm 82:6) what Jesus use and quoted in John 10:34-35.
Thank you so much for going back to the original lie the serpent told. The same lie satan told still finds its way in this present day and age.
Man will never attain divinity. No! The moment we think we think we do, man begins to worship man.
God is a Deity and only YAWEH deserves worship.
May God bless your ministry in Jesus name. Amen 🙏
Cap I'm a God he made me in in his likeness therefore he is a God wake up and realize your true potential ❤️💪🙏
God is speaking to the angels in His heavenly council..or heavenly host. They were allotted over the nations. 70 nations. But they mislead the men, so He was telling them they would die as men. Because they came down and bread with human women according to genesis 6.
Even as a 15 yo Ik this is wrong first the word used for god in the Hebrew Bible is Elohim which is used for god but also used for angles and other things of that nature and even if it was true how are you going to take this one thing from the Old Testament and say it’s right even tho Jesus himself constantly tells gentiles to not worship any other god but him as he said “worship me as you would the father” just needed to clear that up god bless my friend🙏❤️✝️
Lastly, I say this: I am the god of me. Thee God, want me to be the god of me. What we think, what we eat, what we watch on TV, how we conduct ourselves, all the way to how we follow Jesus, STARTS WITH US!! When you give your god power over to others, then THEY will become your earthly god. This is how Jim Jones succeeded.
We are gods, and are representing God. For myself, no one will ever change this for me. God= Good. We are all Goodm until we give this good to EVIL.
God's eternity is present in each and every single one of us. Now, while on earth there are temporary rulers who govern imperfectly for a certain period of time the perfect realm in Heaven is being ruled perfectly and endlessly by God. Jesus came to show us how to live a life full of love by selflessly giving His life for us and with that besides the fact that He is God incarnated He also became the best mortal example of goodness. If on earth we vote for political leaders who try to falsely present themselves as good, how much more should we give not only our vote, but also our devotion to the one who represents goodness and love as a Heavenly ruler. The realm of darkness in the Bible is also described with properties of endlessnes but where suffering and and evilness rule eternally in absence of love. In Christ we are beloved children of God, outside of his love we become slaves of fear and unbelief. That is why the cross is eternal symbol of the price paid for our salvation from the enslavement of sin where fear is unescapeable. Therefore, have faith in Christ and rejoice for the good Shepard is coming back soon.
The serpent may have lied in Genesis 3:4 but not in Genesis 3:5 as confirmed in Genesis 3:22.
Hello. I disagree again with how you interpret these verses. In verse 5, the serpent claimed that good things would come from to God: their eyes would be opened and they shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. In verse 7 we discover their "eyes were opened" but they weren't blessed like they had anticipated. Unlike before, when they had healthy interactions with the Lord, now they feared Him. They were no longer clothed with Christ's righteousness. The Holy Spirit had been grieved by their disobedience and from them, them naked and afraid. Verse 22 continues with the tongue-in-cheek attitude of "congratulations on your new god status" and essentially saying "be careful what you wish for".
@@truthbebold4009 and yet God brought them to a better state than they had before the fall by providing a way for them to come unto the full measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ. Ephesians 4:13
God named gods only those directly received his words,Moises,Abraham, Jesus, Deut, 18:18-19 /John 10:34-35,not all pastors, theologians, christians,
The second view makes no sense and is counter to the culture of the time. The problem with Christians (I am a Christian) is that they only want to read the Bible in English and assume that only the thought pattern that exists today is the same thought pattern in ancient culture. That’s one of the biggest problems with us Christians today and why many Christians fall away from the faith when going to seminary. Learn a bit of Hebrew and ancient culture and you won’t come away with ideas like the second choice is the better choice which would then really complicate your understanding of God.
So, I understand the governing aspect of "some" humans on earth having positions of authority that are god like (little g on purpose) but I think this interpretation comes up short of the full context. Jesus seems to be taking a broader perspective. He is pointing out what the Psalmist was saying that we are "all" little g gods (little elohims as the Psalmist says in the Hebrew). We are limited finite yet "autonomous" beings created by the uncreated infinite God (The "I AM"). We are not I AM status nor will we be ever. From Psalm 82:6, is not the author there speaking of ALL of humanity being "sons of God" in the image sense (little g god status), all of us, not just a few who have "judge" like authority? Jesus was claiming God status (or I AM status - see also John 8:58-59) in the "fleshly" sense in John 8, i.e.God coming down out of heaven and taking on human flesh and form (John 1:1,14). Jesus was claiming He had authority as THE “Son of God,” i.e. I AM status, fully on par with God and this is why they wanted to kill Him. If he had simply said, “I am a little g god like you” they would have agreed with Jesus. We are autonomous beings (little g gods), created in the Almighty's image (Gen 1:26-27), placed within the limitations and parameters of the physical and spiritual realities God has created for us on this earth (Gen 1:1). That’s why we need the big G God, the I AM, Jesus in the flesh to redeem us from our sin. Little g god status does nothing for us before a holy and righteous God who created us. Am I wrong?
So happy you are carrying forward the Divine Council worldview. I finally understand my destiny.
If you understand the gods of the old testament are type 2+ (at least interstellar) ET Elohim that were responsible for hybridizing/genetically engineering the most advanced hominid about 250,000 years ago giving birth to the first Adamu from one of the goddesses wombs to create a workforce into a garden to altar delivery service. We do this like gods when we domesticate animals and adjust their genetics for our benefit. A direct example of this is that we are hybridizing our DNA with pigs, human-pig chimeras, to grow replacement organs for humans. Now with the latest starship launch yesterday we are seeing what it really means to be like the gods who travelled through space and lived tens of thousands of years according to ancient tablets. The father Jesus speaks of is the one true source, found from going within, that Paul describes as the source of the cosmos and everything in it, that in which we live and move and have our being and are all offspring: even the "gods".
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are achildren of the most High. 7 But ye shall adie like men, and fall like one of the princes. 8 Arise, O God, ajudge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
This is talking about all born again believers.
‘I said, you are gods’? 35 If he called them gods to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be broken- 36 do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world,
The KEY verse is verse 35.....If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came....
The word makes you a god. God is GOD (Capital G) We are small g. That means we are offsprings of God. We came out of God in Genesis. If we come out of Banana, we will be called banana. If we come out of God, we become god
john 1: The word incarnated became man. The word became flesh and dwelt among man.
Therefore to conclude the word is supposed to make us become god. Remember the word is Life and Spirit. When we meditate, read the word, it transforms us into the likeness and image of God. Romans 8:29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
So we also have the mind of christ.
1 Corinthians 2:16 “For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ
We cannot defeat the devil in our flesh but when we operate as a god.
The word 'Elohim' simply means 'might one' or 'mighty ones'. So, the judges of Israel were mighty ones because they had the power to judge the people. The children of God when made immortal at Jesus' return will also be mighty ones, according to Ps 149:5-9 where judgement is again a feature. Jesus said that his father had committed all judgement unto him, which would make him a mighty one like those in Ps 82:6.
This didn't mean that Jesus was calling himself Almighty God as the Jews assumed, but rather that he was only the son of God as he admitted in Jo 10:36. When he said 'I and my father are one', he was referring to one in purpose rather than being equal with God. This is shown by what he says before this about the sheep, where both he and his father have the same control over them.
I tell you that the universe would be a pile of ash if we were gods
God created man in his image & likeness. gods refers to those who know their identity as being created by and carrying the very presence of God. An eagle can not give birth to a chicken or a goat, so gods here means those who have accepted , believe and are living right with him. Not necessarily referring to judges of any kind.
What a bummer. I thought I was gonna get force powers and flying abilities and supers powers and stuff.
we can become gods. This is basically what the holy spirit is. It's GOD! He does give us power. Especially when we get closer to end of the days. Prophets will rise up and lead the people.
The Prophets were almost like gods/superheros lol
In the book of Genesis states, the man has become like one of us, meaning the man has become like a god.
The reason Adam was not permitted to eat the tree of life after sinning was out of mercy, that they wouldn't have eternal life of sin.
In the ancient world, people could be elevated to "god" status. Kings were referred to as gods (see Solomon for example). The king of israel has been referred to as "god". This is not specific to the bible. Hercules for example. People could become gods, gods could become humanish, etc...
If Jesus is seen as using the "human rulers" interpretation, then that downplays his divinity, right before he up-plays it by saying he and the Father are one. IOW it's a nonsensical interpretation. For that reason, I don't think that interpretation is in view here. This deserves another look-what if Jesus was using the divine council interpretation?
El is singular and Elohim is plural and it is also a plural title for the one true El. Psalms 82 speaks of both men and angels as Elohim.
We know both are judges and rulers because of how there ends come "Human gods will die like men and angel gods will fall like one of the "Princes" (princes are common term for Angel rulers)
This is also why Isaiah said that The Lord would punish the Hosts of Heaven and the Kings of the Earth Isaiah 24:21
This is also why Y'Shua called Ha Satan the "Prince" (Angel ruler) of this world and said nothing of Yahweh would be in Him.
However it is scary that Christians do not know that Satan and his angels all pose as gods and answer prayers!
Most Christians pray to the Lord in the name of His enemy. Isaiah 65:11 (read it in Hebrew)
But we all have the chance to do our Lord right. I refuse to call Him by the names of Ba'eli anymore!
Jesus said He and the Father were one He is in the Father and the Father is in Him and We and Him are one we in Him and He in us. We are his coheirs and He is coheir with the Father, all He has we have and all the Father has He has.
:) Jesus is heir and we are co heirs with him.
(He cannot be co heir with Father)
@@fightsatan2408 You are right. Thank you for pointing this out.
Oh, I think you missed the entire point of Jesus referencing Ps 82 to the religious authorities that wanted to have Him stoned to death. Psalm 82 is talking about the God given authority of the Levitical priesthood that had the power of life or death over the people, thus they were in essence little 'gods'. These priests had direct access to God's will through the Urim and Thummim but abused their authority.
Look at Jesus' rebuke of the religious authority here:
~ Matthew 23; “So you testify against yourselves, that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of the 'GUILT OF YOUR FATHERS'. You serpents, you brood of vipers, how will you escape the sentence of hell?
Now compare with
~ Psalm 82; "How long will you judge unjustly and show partiality to the wicked?
Vindicate the weak and fatherless; Do justice to the afflicted and destitute. Rescue the weak and needy.
Deliver them out of the hand of the wicked. They do not know, nor do they understand.
They walk about in darkness; All the foundations of the earth are shaken. I said, “You are gods,
And all of you are sons of the Most High nevertheless, you will die like men."
Even though Psalm 82 is written in poetic (song) form it still is important to note that angels are immortal and cannot die.
~ Zechariah 7; Then the word of the LORD of hosts came to me, saying, say to all the people of the land and to the ''PRIESTS', ...Dispense true justice and practice kindness and compassion each to his brother; and do not oppress the widow or the orphan, the stranger or the poor; and do not devise evil in your hearts against one another. But they refused to pay attention and turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears from hearing.
You missed it like i did until the Spirit of Truth revealed it to me.
Who missed what? Revealed what? Please, I’m genuinely interested.
@@klarag7059 "Praise Yahweh " first of all we have to get a understanding of what the biblical definition of what the word God/gods means, it's means spiritual being, this is why scripture tell us that God/Yahweh is a Spirit and those who worship Him must do so in Spirit and Truth, we have bn taught through tradition to call Him God, which is not His Name (Yahweh) is.. this is why we have to be careful when we pray to God we can be praying to any spiritual being without defining his true name, Satan is a spiritual being, fallen Angels are spiritual beings, demonic spirits are spiritual beings, and we also are spiritual beings which is defined as gods, when Jesus was speaking in John 10:-32-34 , He said, i & The Father is One, meaning as Spiritual beings in The Unity of The Spirit of The Holy Spirit, this is why the Jews did not understand and they said he was blasphemy, because he made himself equal with God/Yahweh, so what he was saying we as His creation is a spiritual being/ god's and if we believe in Jesus Christ death burial and Resurrection his precious blood and many stripes that was shed upon the cross, we are His Son's and Daughter's, in The unity of His Spirit in Christ, and when the brother spoke on elohim that means Spirit also, in the book of genesi when he was creating the heavens and the Earth it said ello him move on the face of the water it was saying the Spirit of Yahweh moved upon the face of the, I hope this was very helpful to you and many others and To Yahweh be all the Glory now and forever ,Truth ❤️ 🙏
We all come from the one and only source. So what does that make you?
So the bible says there are multiple gods? Crazy
exactly bruh its od confusing
He’s definitely not talking to humans when he calls them gods. That makes absolutely no sense. These are the super natural beings referred to in Deuteronomy 32. Refer 7:02 to Micheal Heiser & Tim Mackey on both Psalms 82 & Deuteronomy 33
Ah, but humans do become elohim… read 1 Samuel 28.12-13. Here the dead Samuel is called “elohim” because the disembodied Samuel is a spirit living in the spiritual realm as would all spiritual beings, i.e., elohim.
Heiser?
If he's talking about human judges, I see no point in calling them gods, even with a "lowercase g".
You call judges- judges.
Jesus holds the answer of the gods/elohim of Psalm 82 in John 10.
Israel are the "gods" in Psalm 82, the "gods" are human NOT nonhuman meaning angels/spirit beings.
Israel was unique from the pagan nations that surrounded them, Israel had the law of God, 10 commandment, prophets and a Levitical priesthood. Since Israel had the law of God, it put Israel in the position of being "gods," becuase God chose them, Israel was God's chosen people. They were chosen because of Christ.
Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;
John 10: 34-35 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),"
1. >>>>"I said, “You are gods” >>>>>ONCE by the God (Father) in Psalm 82. Aspaph is the Author and Psalmist of Psalm 82. Prophets of the Old Testament like Asaph the "word of the Lord" would come to Prophets like Asaph. Prophets were the "Voice" of God. God (Father) would communicate His words through the prophets, God does that here in Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;">>>>>>>>Israel, Psalm 82 uses the word "all". This clearly is not about a bunch of watchers/super angels of a divine council. The Psalms were written to and for Israel.
2. SECOND time Jesus in John 10: 34 Repeats >>>> ‘I said, “You are gods”
think thats the absolute best reasoning ive heard in this comment section, thanks for the research!
@@HowWillYouAnswer You are very Welcome, that is why I posted it. At least your comment was kind and appreciated, some do not take this post to kindly, they like to argue against it.
It is the devine councel was resposible in creating humans, let us make man.........
GotQuestions is wrong about men never becoming gods (coupled with a dig at Mormon belief). Ephesians 4:13 Romans 8:16,17 Revelation 3:21 Deuteronomy 10:17
I would disagree that those verses are making the case that we will become gods. We will become like God in character but we will never have the infinite power that He wields or be all-knowing like Him.
@@truthbebold4009 Funny how scripture doesn’t add your caveats but then I don’t think there are any to be added.
He really doesn’t explain Jesus or the prophet Asaph in his explanation. Also seems like the Heiserites in the comment section are flipping out, guess what Heiser was WRONG.
I’ll post a response for the video and directed towards Heiser’s False teaching of Psalm 82.
Jesus holds the answer and explains of the "gods/elohim" of Psalm 82 in John 10.
Reason why Jesus fulfills the words of the prophets in the OT in the NT. Jesus fullfills the words of the OT in the NT. Depends if a person beleives in the Trinity.
Israel are the "gods" in Psalm 82, the "gods" are human NOT nonhuman like this Heiser guy promoted.
Israel was unique from the pagan nations that surrounded them, Israel had the law of God, 10 commandment, prophets and a Levitical priesthood. Since Israel had the law of God, it put Israel in the position of being "gods," becuase God chose them, Israel was God's chosen people.
Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;
John 10: 34-35 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),"
1. >>>>"I said, “You are gods” >>>>>ONCE by the God (Father) in Psalm 82. Aspaph is the Author and Psalmist of Psalm 82. Prophets of the Old Testament like Asaph the "word of the Lord" would come to Prophets like Asaph. Prophets were the "Voice" of God. God (Father) would communicate His words through the prophets, God does that here in Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;">>>>>>>>Israel, Psalm 82 uses the word "all". This clearly is not about a bunch of watchers/super angels of a divine council. The Psalms were written to and for Israel.
2. SECOND time Jesus in John 10: 34 Repeats >>>> ‘I said, “You are gods”
Dude it means an Anunaki aka God told a human that you are gods as well because u are made from us but you are not us just created in our likeness you're gonna live 120 years we live for eons and that's basically all to it
I believe that God, the creator of everything, is not the only God in heaven. He is the most important one. The divine council is in heaven and is made up of other gods. They are of the spiritual beings and not man. They were given domain over mankind after the tower of Babble. Our creator God will take over these lessor gods and judge them in the future. They will all fall with the evil angels into hell. Being immortals, they will not die like us humans but suffer like all evil godly beings. The God that we worship today is a merciful God and not the demanding one of the Old Testament. This war that is going on is not of flesh and bones but of spiritual being in heaven. He will make judgment over all heaven and earth. That is why we will have a new heaven and earth. The old must go to make true the new heaven and earth.
1. There is no need to create anything that has been created (any action to do so would be vanity).
2. We never reach full divinity because we “die like man “/ humans/ mortals.
3. We are created totally Imago Dei
4. Elohim is a masculine gender word, Eloi would be more appropriate.
5. A little more biblical history and critical thinking may be applicable to this passage.