Extreme Bull Commander Pro Teardown -- What were they thinking!?
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- čas přidán 2. 02. 2023
- Doug & Albert from eevee's Parts & Repair teardown the Extreme Bull Commander Pro with Bradley. Take a peak inside and see why eevee's is not going to carry this EUC.
Want a better alternative? Checkout the Veteran Sherman S available for pre-order here: eevees.com/collections/eucs-e...
Great review!
Now eevee's is setting a standard that I hope others will follow! DONT CARRY THE WHEEL IF IT DOESN'T MEET YOUR STANDARDS!
It shows that you care about the customer!
This makes me cry just a little bit. Happy tears 🥲Thank you!
Its more so that any repairs, under warranty, has potential to cause minor excess damage Requiring more repair time and parts on hand.
Really like these tear down videos, best way to learn a wheel before buying, thanks !
Glad you like them! We have the EX30 one coming soon as well.
oof the only wheel I was sorta excited for this year, thanks for the honest tear down saving me 4k!
We gotchu Zen!
gotchu zen
oh damn i said the exact same thing as Bradley 😆
I TOLD you months ago when you were hyping this crap up that Begode was a garbage company.
@@dewaynelowery8511 Begode fans are like love-struck partners in a one-sided abusive relationship with glimmers of hope from time to time 😄 Just leave them! 🙅♀
Videos like this once again assures me that I made a right choice purchasing Veteran Sherman S.
Damnnnnn right you did!
Exactly what needs to be done to keep these Chinese companies in check, good work guys!
Ahhh thank you good sir/madame/them
definitely. if the distributors are willing to sell shit then the manufacturers will continue to produce more shits.
Aren’t all the EUC companies Chinese?
@@thanh-nguyen1976
Yes, they are, but some care more about quality, design and safety.
@user-cj6pn3bn1s yeah, but Begode is notoriously the dirt merchant's of the EUC community, overpriced wheels, with terrible quality.
These videos are great. Its a little crazy that Begode thinks they can clone the Sherman S in a few months when Veteran was working on it for much longer... that is impossible to do without a major sacrifice to quality.
Thanks YourAubsome! We'll keep them coming for you.
You pegged this perfectly, Aub. Thanks for the comment :)
Soooo glad I didn't order one of these. The tiny little exposed brake wires right from the get go was a ??? for me, but then the speakers that play music only for the batteries to listen to...? I'm out.
Pretty much all EUCs are wonky in some way, but this one looks like it was made in 15 minutes, with spare parts. Thanks for this teardown.
Literally like a high-school project kit-EUC
Big thumb up! Great video guys!
Thanks!
One very large thumb UP! Thanks!
This is exactly what the EUC world needs.
We shall continue to honour our forsaken duty to provide this content 🙏
Wrong Way no more Begode reviews, eevees no more badly engineered wheels. I think this is a very good thing! It will push the manufacturing forwards to a place we all want and need.
Enjoy your vids/reviews Lando and it is nice to see Adam and Bradley agree on something.
Let us hope!
Most professional tear down videos bar none. Keep up on the great videos guys. Let the haters cry all they want. #thetruthhurts
Thanks Todd. Wait until you see our V13 review ;)
We like to keep it professional. Wait until you see the professional lab coats we purchased for our V13 review.
the Take No Prisoners approach is making less product returns, I hope.
@@cascade5682 time will tell!
Thanks for the candid and detailed analysis. You pointed out a lot of things I would not have known that are significant concerns.
Such is our duty 🙏
@@lukastanasiuk5722 indeed you are providing a much needed service to the community. Creating a seal of approval so that people know if it’s been vetted by eevees then it’s good. And then explaining in detail why you don’t carry certain wheels. This approach will be a strong incentive for manufacturers to design and build responsibly.
@@360vroomers Let's hope they care enough to listen. As we grow (thank to you guys) we will have more ability to dictate hard terms on quality control. You better believe we will!
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Thank you guys so much for what you do, it's so very helpful to see the thought, or their lack of, that went into the construction of any one of these "high-end" (extreme quotations with bunny ears gesture) EUC's.
You're very welcome! And thanks for the thoughtful response :)
Thanks for not carrying it at Eevees.
These guys gotta up their game and stop building shit.
Really I appreciate you do this and pressure the manufacturers.
Nobody wants headaches.
Thanks Omar! We hope that it's a step in the right direction and that other dealers follow suit.
Well, I really wanted this wheel for work but it doesn't look like it'll make it through a foggy day I'm. Definitely think twice now. Thanks I've been waiting to see this
Think no times and don't buy this POS lol
Yea I think I'm gonna let the suspension market mature for a year and then make my choice. My og Sherman will keep me happy lol
I'd love to see Veteran drop a 126v/134volt Sherman S next year....
You can't go wrong with the OG Sherman or Shermax. Still the reigning king in our opinion!
Always a smart move. I'm enjoying the new suspension wheel craze for one thing....the price drop on the non-suspension wheels.
I'm very happy with my V11, once you get a suspension wheel everything you thought you knew about wheels changes.
@kmg501 yeah more moving parts to break and more to take apart to change the tire. Suspension is always nice. Just better to invest in the 2nd or 3rd generation of a suspension wheel. They literally come out with "V2, V3, and Pro" versions of wheels months after the V1 released. The first get the worst when it comes to technology.
I'm not saying V11 isn't a good wheel. It's just simply an "offroad" wheel with a street tire and a 30mph top speed. It needs a nice knobby and jump pads. If I go suspension wheel, I'll probably get a V11 since it's also finally come down in price.
@@kmg501 Wait until you try an S22 Pro ;)
Thank you for this. I respect you guys for making a stand against bad quality. This kind of information is critical to our safety and vital to our community. Keep it up!
I commend Eevees for not carrying this junk. Great info and great video!
Many thanks 🙏
I like the way THIS guy does a review. No “wahh wahhh” or drama. Straight to the point and keeps it moving right along. Great review. What a shit job they did in that wheel. They had me contemplating for a minute too. Keeping my deposit on the EX30
Hopefully with eevee's ;)
I was convinced I almost switched my ex30 deposit that I put down back in august 22 would have been a huge mistake the commander pro is truly a piece of garbage
@Christian Guzman well said bro.
@@SunsetEuc I've ridden the EX30. It's solid. Rides like a Master. Just think of it as a Mastse with better everything and more battery
Great info of the teardown.... Well done.... Thanx 4 sharing.... New supporter
Ayyyye thanks for the support! We won't let ya down. I will warn you, though... our normal non-teardown videos are a lot... weirder :P
great decision, we don't need so many wheels, we need a better quality wheel
100%! Quality over quantity.
Very informative, thank you guys!
je t'en prie!
Just another example that EUCs aren’t 4k ready? Thanks for saving US🚀
gotchu!
Classic Begode! Appreciate the video.
Extreme Bullshit
And you're welcome!
Wow! Thumbs up for having a standard and selling high quality products! Just ordered a wheel from you guys, can't wait!
Excellent work. These videos are making difference.
Awesome practice, thank you for the video!
Thanks for watching!
When this debuted, I remember a bunch of people say RIP Sherman S
Me too.
These teardown videos are the best. I'm looking forward to your thoughts on the EX30.
Thanks, Justin. I'll say... no spoilers but it's looking better than the CP at least.
Awesome tear down, thanks for posting.
It seems to get the edge over Veteran they just rushed this whole design to market. The 100v charge port, just can’t phantom how their CEO would just allow it to proceed. Meanwhile Veteran hopefully making up for their previous disaster of a wheel, Abrams, with their potentially classic trusty Sherman S.
I might be getting ahead of myself but I think it's safe to crown the SS as a modern classic already. The thing is magic and our customers who got the first batch have been majorly impressed too, it seems :)
what I saw - typical Begode cable mess but overall construction is ok, after some simple watherproofing definitelly not terrible euc.
Batch 2 or 3 will be more refined, better cable management, just like Master was.
For now its only first prototype, like most chinese wheels. Only batch 2-3 will be the final product.
Interresting solution with suspension rollers, we will see how it works after 1kkm.
I still think its worth to buy wheel, just not now. Wait for later batches, which fix some obvious bugs.
Ugh we'll see... they have a LONG way to go. Essentially a full redesign to bring it up to par with what we will carry.
Thanks for this video. Looks like sherman S is way better in quality. 134V is not enough to choose this over SS
You're bang on there, my friend.
Damn right
This happens when your goal is to one up every competition by rushing and releasing so many models at once , turns out you cant rush Quality!
who'da thunk!
Assemblers at factory also aren't paid enough to care much, so design/engineer team really need to be on point.
Thank you for making this video. Shoddy workmanship should always be called out. I wouldn't buy the wheel the way it is now but I sincerely hope they address these issues on later builds a year or two down the road.
Here at Extreme 🐮 💩.
We are happy to reveal our brand new wheel !
The EB Spaghetti. "Our cables are messy like our quality?!"
"Now comes with buyers remorse." 🤣
I have heard numerous people complain about the cost of the Inmotion V13. Well here is why that cost is what it is. You are paying to not have a very poorly designed and constructed wheel like this typical Gotway/Begode offering.
That's IT my friend.
9:57 internal motor. Robust bearing, skimpy copper. It's great to see the comparison. Hope you post pics of motors. Commander pro as you said is an after thought
I like that you guys have standards. Awesome. I can respect that
The sound is good.
Which model black and decker table is that?
Great video Fellas very informative 👏,,,,,everyone should do the same , don't carry/sell /buy the wheels that don't meet their standards only. That way, companies have no choice but to finish the damm wheels before releasing it,,,,,,, enough with the Frankenstein put together wheels...........
They just wanna make that cheddar :/ We're playing the long game, though. We know the community will continue to gravitate towards eevee's as we continue applying more and more stringent standards on what we carry and continue committing to making consistent amounts of awesome content for ya'll :) And of course the best customer support in the industry ;)
thank god someone made a video of teardown, but 1 month too late. I already bought it . . . . being shipped . . .
Damn
Being shipped and shipped are too different things, see if you can stop it still?
Yes, or either DON'T OPEN THE BOX WHEN YOU GET IT. Tell the company you wanna swap it or return it for a refund. At the WORST they may charge a restocking fee and make you pay return shipping.
Don't get stuck with that wheel.
See if you bought it from us (if we carried it, which we will not lol) you'd be fine! :P
Slight potential for possible water ?
I would say a large potential for water damage
@eevee's Curious, Has your stance changed or improved on the quality with batch 2 and 3? Ive heard there have been improvements
Would love to see the differences to the newest version to see if they have improved on all the negatives..
I have the newest version, batch 3, from eWheels, And I must say, every single quality complaint has been solved and improved.
@@mauriciomorales4288 is batch 3 the same as version 2 or is it newer?
@@mauriciomorales4288what about water resistance?
GREAT work guys. And mad props to EEVEE'S for refusing to sell this piece of shit. MAKE Begode respect our gangsta. Give us a QUALITY product. ESPECIALLY for $4000.
Yeeeee boi we gotchu!
It costs 2600€.lol
Sooooooooo, Ex30 or Sherman S? Which one would you choose?
Wow this looks like a wheel prototype. Did they improve it for next batches or is this it?
It seems like they rushed the design to compete with the SS. I wish it was better. I want all wheels to be better.
Meh just get a SS and you're set
Begode have some good ideas but seem to get only halfway through sorting them before moving on to the next wheel.
A scatter-brained genius who will likely end up nowhere :/ A shame.
Love Marty but he would have just DIY all the issues.
I hope other distributors follow your lead. As a consumer we need honest and dependable stores to buy our wheels.
My next wheel will be from EEVEE’S
This means.... so much to us. Honestly. Thank you for the kind words and your future support. I promise we will easily give you the best service you've ever experienced in this industry :)
Can I still come down and test ride the Commander Pro? For science you know?
-Clem
Once we finished our comparison review and get it back together, yessir!
@@eevees thank you, I'll be seeing you guys as soon as my Sherman S comes in! ♥️
after the first commander and i spend 4000 on it i will never buy a extreme bull. waste of money. thank you for this vid
Great tear down and very important information!!! THANK YOU GUYS!!!!!!!!!
Wellcommmmmeee
Great info!
When are you guys going to do the EX-30 teardown?
It should be uploaded within a day or two. It’s already been done.
Would love to have their euc machanic job and work on EUC’s everyday
Neat!
Big serving of spaghetti from Gotway
Is anyone really surprised tho
I'd much rather a nice plate of Aglio e Olio than this trainwreck of an EUC
@@lukastanasiuk5722 Yummy 😋 And cheaper
@@Simonisms Right?! I save money and get tasty noms and don't have to bring my pasta in for warranty repair a week later
@@lukastanasiuk5722 Exactly correct! And more carbs mean more energy to ride a 'non spaghetti' wheel 😀
Winning all the way 🥇
@@Simonisms Damn i'm having spaghetts tonight now
Eevee’s this is such a great video. This teardown needed to happen. See, when you watch youtuber @DawnChampion ‘s ride footage of the Commander Pro you learn and see that the CP is the most PERFECTLY tuned EUC. I say perfectly tuned because that tiny reviewer was able to hit 40mph without any effort; NO leaning. That’s what we want in EVERY EUC. We want this, we NEED this.
Maybe Extreme Bull felt that their badass riding and tuning is all they needed to do.
Anyhow it is my hope that this video TRASHING the build / construction of the CP will motivate Extreme Bull to fix all of what is wrong with such an amazing well tuned machine. Honestly I want a wheel with that tuning. I want a wheel that just goes with zero effort and no “Kuji Lean”.
3:03 Thankfully this is a teardown. Otherwise seeing the wire get pulled like that was cringe.
You couldn't see it, but I was vomiting off camera after watching that part live 🤢😅
CMDP RIM SAME EXN OR MASTER ?
WHY ARE YOU YELLING
I don't know what to do.
Buy a Commander pro or a Sherman S ?
Dude.... so easy... that's like "do I want to get slapped in the nuts by a 300lb powerlifter or do I want a nice vanilla milkshake on a hot day?"
Just to be clear, the Sherman S is the nice vanilla milkshake on a hot day.
Buy the Sherman S.... is what I'm saying.
Preferably from eevee's if you're in North America ;)
@@lukastanasiuk5722 lol
Buy aCpro, bro. Ss is a turtle...
what is very bad imo is they should have put the charge port behind the trolley handle and get a bigger info screen😏
The copper coils actually looked great to me. The rest is for way more dry and sunny biomes..
Yeah, nothing wrong with the copper. It’s spread around a larger diameter so just because it’s not as thick as the V13, doesn’t mean it’s not as powerful.
@@eevees i meant how neatly the coils are laid, at least at a glance.
@@Laenthal So long as you're chillin in those sunny biomes! Except the rest of the wheel is trash, too :/
Aww crap. I live in snowy location and that bearing is just asking for salt ingress.
the headlights on this thing are a joke. Is there anyway to upgrade the bulbs?
Afterthought. Rushed. Burning old stock. Sad.
✅✅✅✅
Unfortunate not carrying commander pro., any maintenance repair would be time consuming given its build quality. Having ridden one, it is a very comfortable ride very similar to s18
It’s a shame too…this wheel had the potential of being the lightest weighing, smallest form factor, suspension big battery 134v wheel available and yet other than the suspension part, it’s just so poorly thought out. There’s still a market for something like this, but not a wheel simply cobbled together from parts lying around. Yikes.
This wheel had extreme potential you're right. This company just can't get their quality control shit together it's a damn shame
@@ETAonTheEUC Perhaps another company will beat them to it.
It really is a damnnnn shame
Please don't sell out of shermax before I can afford to upgrade!!! Unreal price
We are getting more in soon. We will always sell the Shermax for as long as they make it.
Great video. Simply put, there is no real design. Slap parts together first and then everything else is an after thought.
nailed it
Looks like every begode wheel 😞 wished for better waterproofing and wish they’d fix the motherboard charge issue being the wrong connector.
Your wishes are REJECTED good ser.
@@lukastanasiuk5722 yeah not really that excited for this wheel I wish I could have pieces of the cp and the ss mixed together !!
@@wattssingletrack8874 such is life 🥲
This is just not acceptable anymore with these companies, they have to be held accountable, people shouldn't be paying 4000 and over that for wheels that are built like this
And hence we will not carry this trash fire of an EUC
why call it trash? this is signature gotway engineering
Because it's absolute shit :)
It is trash, that's why! This is unacceptable for a company like begode in 2023 now, they keep trying to rip off their customers while charging super inflated prices
The X-Men is the only proper wheel Extreme Bull has made so far.
@Bunnyslippers forsure I was looking at the x-men myself but a trolly handle is a must for my needs. They really were on to something with that wheel.
@@spartacus3570 trolly is 60 dollar on aliEx
Thanks for this tear down video. It shows how haphazard and careless Begode is in their planning of this Commander Pro. I hope Begode is listening and will take note that either they change their ways or else they will Begone.
1000$ cheaper then sherman s and 300$ less then ex30 hard to sell knowing you will have to fix stuff under warranty😏
they really should have use the charge port from the master that would already be better😔
Respect for telling the truth. With companies like InMotion refusing to give reviewers (Chooch) a wheel because he tells the truth, it's good to see that the YT EUC community continues to post honest and quality content.
Also, appreciate the low "talking heads" on this video. :)
Bro you are so ill informed. The V13 was in the mail to Chooch the day he uploaded that video. Quit spreading rumors.
@@todd6888 You just jelly because I got the first post. So kidding man. I didn't know that about the V13, I take it back then!
@@todd6888 and where it is now? why didn't he received it?
@@pedrogabrielsalviano ooooh shit conspiracyyyyyy
You don't like our heads? 🥲
Begode - Made like shit, rides like a dream
Until it doesn't
@@lukastanasiuk5722 then we fix it or ride our back up wheel haha I speak for myself, but I'm addicted to the performance Begode offers. When I could get that from another manufacturer, I'll gladly buy it. I had high hopes for the Sherman S but I won't buy a 100v wheel. After riding my Master I feel everything else is slow lol
WrongWay not reviewing Begode wheels anymore and y'all are gonna eventually stop carrying their wheels. Begode needs to get with the times and match the innovations all the other manufacturers are making with safety, smart BMS, waterproofing, and overall build quality.
Begode's CEO has said they are going to take more time with each wheel before releasing going forward. Hopefully this trend continues. Quality over quantity!
Not sure about how anyone else feels, but to me, this seems like a rush job to market after their corporate spy hurried back from the Veteran factory lol
lol i think they are all homies... they probably don't even need to spy and they STILL can't even hold a torch to their big brother :P
It's hard to ignore the Eevee's and WrongWay recent announcement and their timing. Is the Commander Pro the fall guy to push the narrative that both Eevee's and WrongWay have espressed regarding expected manufacturing quality? Maybe. Is the Commander Pro as bad as this video is making it sound? Probably not. You see my point here. I agree that the quality needs to come up... from ALL manufacturers. Inmotion, for some reason can't figure out they need to use strong bolts... the V12 and V13 have that issue. I'm not super thrilled with the build quality of the Sherman-S either. KingSong has had motor issues, slider issues, other issues. Everyone that rides Begode, know they ride the best. I have the Sherman Max and enjoy it. I have the v12 ht and enjoy it, but have had some weird issues. I have a Begode RS HS, that had a failed BMS, but now rides out nicely. In my opinion, the wires could be better organized on the Commander Pro. The holes where they pass through to the body could be better shielded or blocked from water and dirt ingress, but I don't think these issued make it a terrible wheel.
The timing is a complete coincidence. We haven't actually spoken with Adam for a while (no reason). When we teardown an EUC, we try and find anything that we can point out that could pose an issue. Sometimes we miss things, sometimes some things might not actually be a concern. However, we found more issues than any other wheel that we've previously tore down with the Commander Pro. Some people are quite offended by it but you know who isn't? Extreme Bull. They watched the video and are making changes accordingly.
@@eevees Fair points.
At this point, I can't help but to ask, how are companies STILL putting out trash like this? It is so sad...
It's quite literally a prototype that they're selling and shipping out. Jesus christ...
this is worse than my rs i used to have
It's called reverse progression 😅
Extreme BS Commander Pro
OOOOOOOH SHIIIIIT GOTTEMM
Sherman is way better built
Most definitely. I do think the Commander Pro brace was a smart idea and should probably be implemented on the Sherman-S but the Sherman S is objectively built better overall.
Cut the wire, not pro that...
charging with less volts will blow the wheel. that dont sound right. prove it
Are people buying this garbage? I hope not!
I watched the whole video. Tons of bias here. It's even in the title.... lots of nit-picking of tiny things.
We already knew alot was added last second. They literally asked us if we wanted more power before releasing it. They didn't have time to redesign the whole wheel. Did that make it a bad wheel? No.
We bitched about the V13 tiny battery as soon as it was announced. They made no changes. It's got good fit and finish- and a tiny ass battery.
Then the crying about messy wiring. Go ask an electrician to see ANY wiring box in any electric item on earth. Including the buildings we live in. But those buildings still pass inspection, and work fine.
And then the water collection up top. Which isn't even a thing to most riders.... if a plastic bag is on top, all that crying goes away. Just like the plastic we have to put on the Sherm/Shermax that you all know and love.
Overall, informative-but biased, and nit-picky. I'm no fanboy of any wheel- but i chose to think for myself- not to be led by the noise rings (exteme bull pun)on what I'm supposed to think. 🤨
Albert and Doug are biased toward Begode, if anything. They are massive Begode fans. We try and pick apart everything we can think of doing these tear-downs. Albert and I disagree on a variety of things so no, this video is not biased. We are just pointing out the flaws.. like we did with the Sherman S teardown. We will be posting our EX30 teardown in a few days and you'll see that it's much better!
@@eevees tell immotion to give us an option to double the batteries on the v13. Then they'll outsell all of begodes wheels.
@@vtran1082 lolll yeah just a chill 180lb wheel everyone will clammer for that gem 😆
Sort of agree with this...lots of nit-picking of tiny things. Most of the issues seem fixable. Truely annoying on any new wheel sure but the basis of a good (great?) wheel is there. The vast majority of the comments here slam EB but there is no unexplained acceleration (V12HT Chooch & Wrongway) or no unfixable 20% less battery but 10kg more weight V13 with unimprovable mediocre suspension to boot. Lukas sounds like he has container loads of Sherman Ss he has to move. It is only just out but already I read about rider crashing his new wheel when feet slipped off pedals on braking, dealer warning of several Ss having cut-outs in light rain and Wrongways S needing new bearings. Makes CP spagetti wiring seem irrelevant and as for the charge ports many riders considering this wheel already have a 140V/15A (Roger charger) which works just fine with the CP.
@user-jw7qp3qe3o you naming tings on the Sherman-S that were IMMEDIATELY FIXED such as the bearings. Leaperkim changed bearing companies. Pedals, they're working on new pedals as we speak. And I've seen no issues at all with the Sherman-S cutting out. Post that video. Leaperkim's quality is way better than Extreme Bull. So stop it.
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