5 - No more Stihl's! - Why I bought Echo!
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- In this video I tell you why I buy an Echo chainsaw and leaf blower instead on Stihl products. My brand new Echo CS 490 chainsaw and PB-580H leaf blower replace Stihl MS 250 chainsaw and Stihl
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Spending time outdoors doing projects with various machines and tools - anything from cutting trees, clearing brush, moving dirt, landscaping and maintenance on my forested property. And a whole bunch more of outdoor activities.
I used to work at an Echo dealership and they sent me to a factory school so I would be certified for warranty work. I found out at the school that the engines on Echo were manufactured by Kioritz aircraft engine Co in Japan . Built on aircraft specifications and they will run without rings on the pistons because very close tolerances required in their engines. That's why they last and are easier starting than most any other brands made. I like them and I've owned Stihl, Homelite, McCullough and Polan. Polan and Homelite I would never have again.
That's great insight that you provided, very interesting, thanks. Thanks for watching!
I don't know what part of the country you are in but here in North Central Ohio you can buy a CS 590 for $400 the same price I paid for my CS 590 5 years ago that's why I'm getting another one because the first one has been Bulletproof
@@davidcaskey3665 I am located in Canada that is why the saw cost me so much more. Good to hear that the saw is bulletproof. Thanks for watching!
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I hate you Americans. You have super cheap tools compared to us Europeans. Here in Europe for 500 dollars, i can only buy stihl ms211. How sad is that, greetings from Croatia !
i tell people echo is like the acura of saws; how many acura/hondas do you see with wrecked engines?
I used to work for Home Depot and had a Stihl weed eater at the time. ALWAYS a pain to start and keep running. I got the straight shaft Echo and have never looked back. Wound up giving the Stihl to a friend so he could have extra parts. I've had the weed eater for about 10 years and have only had to put it in the shop once. I bought a Echo CS 310 chainsaw 3 years ago and smooth sailing with it too.
Besides the warranty time, Stihl (as of 6 years ago) only had a EPA Class B rating, while Echo has a Class A on everything. Makes a world of difference. Thanks for your time.
There seems to be a lot of people very satisfied with their Echo product after dealing with Stihl product issues. Echo products are definitely well. Thanks for watching.
My neighbor has a Stihl pole saw, about 12 years old,and I've worked on that thing 3 yrs straight and this year had to get a new carb and it still wouldn't stay running. He went out and got an Echo, very happy now and said that it's easier starting than his Stihl ever was.
You will be happy with Echo. I've worked on a lot of saws and blowers. The Echos have the steel caged crank bearings, vs the nylon caged ones the other two use, which don't stand up. Echo also does not use the strato-port, so the piston gets better lubrication and cooling. I'm not sure why your Stihl dealer would think a saw should leak over time, some of them seem to prefer to just sell new saws.
I'm impressed you do pressure and vac tests, so you're well on your way to being able to track down the source of the leak. I'd check Decomp valve, base gasket, Impulse line, as well as the mating surface around the intake manifold to the carb. Between the pressure test and a few shots of carb clean when the saw is running, you should be able to find any of the air leaks. I have a few vids too that might help.
Good luck 😉👍
I am starting to like the Echo saw a little more now after using it to do other things than limbing. Thanks for the insight on the mechanics of the saw and you're right about Stihl saws having the tendency to leak over time. Also, thanks for the pointers, I will watch your videos. Thanks for watching!
@@JelenOutDoors Change the crankshaft seals. And rebuild the carb. Stihl's are great for repairing!! If you want to cut every day, Echo's a good choice!
@@heymakerphd1982 I did replace the crank seals, tried a new jug, piston and rings, new carburetor, etc. But the 250 runs erratically.
Thanks for watching!
I've had them all & personally I prefer Echo over the rest.
Good choice & good luck. 👍🏻
There seems to be a lot of people whom agree with you. Thanks for watching!
The old echo I have is the one I always go to because it’s a one that always runs
I have heard from several viewers that Echo saws are very reliable. From what I can see it is a well made saw. I have used the saw a lot since the video was posted and it has performed well. Thanks for watching and have a great day!
I have about four echoes and I’m very happy with them I also have stihl
I keep hearing that people are happy with their Echo chainsaws. I have been using mine a lot more and the more I use it the more I like it. I will invest in more Echo saws in the future. Thanks for watching Randy.
Echo makes some of the best saws on the market for the money.
I keep hearing that they do. Many people seem to be happy with their Echo saw. This is my 1st Echo saw, I have not used it too much yet but every time I use it I like it a bit more.
Thanks for watching!
@@JelenOutDoors I like my 590, it's definitely heavy for a 60cc saw but it has good pull and I got it on sale new for $320 American. Hard to beat for a truck/beater saw
Power to weight ratio seems to be the big thing today. It does make a difference but in my opinion it is a little overrated as a marketing ploy.
When you have a bad back and tendons that are slowly unraveling in your arm, then tell me about power to weight ratios and how they are over rated. Just my opinion through experience.
Can't argue with that, you do have a very valid point.
I had a bad experience buying a new Stihl 271. It wouldnt start and idle correctly straight from the dealer, returned it 3x and it still wasn't right. Last time I took it back they wanted to charge me a shop charge and I hadn't even used it yet so I sold it and bought a Echo CS590 because I'd heard good things about them. I sent it Iowa Performance Saws and had a muffler mod done to it and a tune and it's a beast. Starts good and good power. I really like the Timberwolf, it's a good saw
That's unfortunate that you had so much trouble with the Stihl MS271. Sometimes no matter what the product or manufacturer you get a lemon. The Echo saw you bought has a lot of good reviews. I have used my Echo a fair bit now and it runs like a champ. Thanks for watching!
Stihls are finicky in comparison to echo. I've only changed the spark plug on an echo 590 after a year. I sold it and. Bought the 7310. I also own a stihl 260 and 460. But the echos are just always easy on me. Almost always work. And a bunch of places are carrying there products. Which means service. Good luck.
You own some nice saws. I have been lucky with most Stihl's that I have owned and currently own. This is my 1st Echo saw so it's good to hear that they are dependable. I agree, the Echo products are showing up all over and it is always good to have service nearby. My next video I test the Echo saw limbing standing trees in comparison to a Stihl saw that has hundreds of hours.
Thanks for watching!
I aquired three echo line trimmers recently from one of the pallet sellers. Two just needed the carbs adjusted, removal of the plastic plugs on the carb adjustment screws and the third one had no compression. I noticed that none of them had mixed gas in the fuel tank. I ordered a piston and ring kit for the one. It was easy to replace. The cylinder was fine. Once I put it back together, put some mixed gas in it, it fired right away. Unlike a Husqvarna trimmer, I couldn't get the rings to compress enough to slide the cylinder over it, so I junked it. I sold the rebuilt one and basically got the other two trimmers for free. I'm still using them and very happy. Yep I will use echo equipment from now on.
I have stihl 290 and echo 400. Both good saws. Stihl is more rugged, but I've had to replace carb and sometimes it's hard to start. Echo is a little bit lighter duty, but it starts easy every time and I've never had to do anything to it in 4 years. Still has original plug.
Both brands seem to be great. Glad to hear that your Echo has been a solid saw for the time you have owned it. Thanks for watching!
Bought echo equipment for first time ,had never even touch one always still ,I'm amazed
It's been a while since I posted this video and now that I have used the Echo products that I bought for a bit I am very happy with them. Thanks for watching!
The same happen to me my stihl dealer add no more as well , but I did have Echo string trimmers of 4 years ago and it still run like new , and Echo is litter and easy to fix
Good to hear that Echo products last, thanks for sharing.
I have 3 Stihl saws and an Echo pole saw. I had my eye on a Stihl pole saw until I came across the Echo. The place where we bought Barbs portable building is also an Echo dealer. This dealer held an open house and everything was 15% off. Because we bought the building, they gave me an extra 5% off on the pole saw and delivered in later that afternoon.
The saw performs very well and I am very pleased with it. It sleeps in the same place with my Stihl saws and they all get along just fine 😅
Echo products are well made so 20% off, excellent purchase. My Echo equipment sleep with the Stihls and Husqvarnas at my place. No issues with any of them.
Just about all my 2 cycle tools are echo. I have had great service out of them and nothing happened to them I couldn’t fix myself. You will be happy. I have a chain saw and weed eater I’ve had for over fifteen years. Have just about gone to echo on everything else as it wears out.
That's very good to hear. The saw had taken a little getting use to but no the saw and leaf blower have been working out very well for me. Thanks for watching, very much appreciated.
I have the Stihl 250 and Echo 590...burn 6 bush cords per year. The Echo is a workhorse!
You burn a fair amount of wood. Great to hear that the Echo is a workhorse. Thanks for watching!
Your going to like echo products. I have all the major brands of saws and trimmers and have found that they are all pretty good. Dont give up on your little stihl 250, they can get finicky once in while and i can tell you that when you clean the carb use a very small spring (unwound) to clean out the small ports next to the throttle valve plate inside the bore of the carb. This seams to work when they start running poorly at low speed and idle .Lots of compressed air and carb cleaner also. One other note on echo stuff, they send them from the factory running rich, don't know why but they do. Just bought a echo 590 timber wolf, so far runs like a top, going to let it break in thoughly before any tuning. Good luck.
I have started to like the Echo after using it some more. Also, taking it apart a few times to give it a really good cleaning I've noticed that the saw is of pretty good quality.
I have not given up on the 250, just put it away for now. The problem with it is that it leaks air somewhere. Thanks for the tips, much appreciated. The 590 timber wolf looks like a nice saw.
Thanks for watching!
I am sold on Echo products ... they always START ! For the $$$ they can't be beat !
Echo saws are definitely made well and the price is great for what you get. I keep hearing good things about the Echo products. Thanks for watching!
I have an echo Weedwhacker that my wife gave me as a gift 41 years ago and it’s still working and running into 2024 it has all original parts 100% intact
That's impressive, thanks for sharing!
Two thumbs up from me on the Echo power equipment...I try not to be a fan boy...but I have had much more positive experiences with Echo/Shindaiwa than with Stihl...mostly I think the troublesome starting/running issues with Stihl were they were being used by multiple operators - while now I am the only person using my power equipment...and I believe this is a bigger reason why my Echo/Shindaiwa equipment runs flawlessly. Even my Ryobi and Poulan Pro saws are reliable and are great value tools for me...my best advice is never lend your two stroke power equipment to other ppl unless it is a dedicated loaner tool-not your main saw/trimmer/blower.
I absolutely agree with you on not lending a 2 stroke. I have been hear a lot of positive things about Echo. Thanks for watching!
@@JelenOutDoors my pleasure! I am just starting out with content and put together a 2 stroke mix video ..please check it out and give me some constructive feedback 👍
Like Makitas this is a straight commercial grade saw line that aint have fill saws like home, farm etc which increases costs of saws for that maker. When i visit Makita, Echo, Zenoah they are all one grade saws which makes it easy to not waste time in shop comparing with others. It keeps dealer showroom less cluttered too
You make some very valid points. Have a great day and thanks for watching!
My first Echo was a weed eater that i bought 30 years ago. I still use it today. It has never been torn down, because it still runs just fine. When Echo jumped up into the Pro saw market, i didnt hesitate buying their new CS-7310P Pro chainsaw. I didnt hesitate buying it because i know for a fact the CS-7310P will out live me. What`s not to like about a product that can, and will, last for decades. All my other chainsaws are Stihl. I could no longer depend on Stihl. The Echo brand has replaced my Stihl brand. Why spend the premium when the Echo will do everything a Stihl will do. And to top it all off, Stihl can`t even compare when it comes to the Echo 5 YEAR warranty! Nough said right there. I`ve noticed ALOT of Stihl issues lately as well. That when i gave Echo my money.
Echo does make a good product for the dollar. The 7310 is a great saw and I agree that it will last for years. The saw has to be reliable and tough enough for daily use. Thanks for watching and have a great day!
I had echo chainsaws for years. Back in the 1990s had an echo cs600 with around 200 cord of firewood on its clock not counting the numerous thousand bf of logs cut with it. I have had stihl saws also but none as reliable as an echo. In the past 4 years ago I bought an echo cs490 and use it more than my ms361 sthil. Recently purchased an echo dcs 5000 battery saw and love it.
Awesome to hear how great the Echo saws are. Thanks for watching!
That's really saying something, I have a Stihl 660 36' bar, for falling timber, 460 32" bar'for general falling and limbing (way more torque on tough limbs than a 440 I had), 2 MS 361's, and 2, 260 Pros. All professional grade saws not homeowner or "farm" saws. Love them all. the 361 is my favorite saw I have ever used, balance, weight, and power to weight. I'd like to try an Echo saw just to know. I owned Stihl string/brushcutters and I prefer my Echos. But saws, it would really take something to win me over from Stihl pro saws
@@1cryinprofit How well you maintain your saws really matters, whether a pro or consumer one. I have a Stihl pro saw that is over 30 years old and I use it regularly. I have other Stihl saws, pro and non pro and I love them all. I also have Husqvarna saws. Saying that I would buy any other brand of saw that performs well and is well made regardless of the brand. Just saying don't limit yourself because you won't know what your missing.
Husqvarna #1!
They do make a great saw. I love the Huskys that I have.
@@JelenOutDoors Husqvarna makes great tools all around, especially their high end pro stuff. Line trimmers(weed eaters), hedge trimmers, blowers, etc. The best. I put Echo at number 2 I don't care for Stihl
@@JenkinsMowing86 I just recently replaced my Stihl weed eater head with a Husqvarna head, works great.
@@JelenOutDoors replace the weed eater next lol
Try the 525 series especially the LST model. 535's are animals but 525's pound for pound I would say are the best. The 430LS is awesome too.
My stihl ms 251 has been running strong for 7 years.
That's great. Having a chainsaw that is dependable and last for years is what you want. Thanks for watching and have a great day!
Im a stihl guy but you can definitely get alot more for a lot less with echo, my only complaint with echo is the weight is so much heavier. I had the echo590 and it is definitely harder on your back! I sold it for that reason.
I guess in part it depends on the model you buy. The good thing is that the manufacturers have been focusing on weight to power so that will help out a lot of people. Thanks for watching!
I only buy echo products, way less maintenance costs and they never break down. Ever.
Good to hear that Echo is a solid brand. So far my Echo products have been performing excellent. Thanks for stopping by.
Turn up the volume,great video
Thank you. I have been working on providing better volume. Thanks for watching!
Husqvarna is the best
Husqvarna does make great saws. I love the ones that I have. Thanks for watching.
Ok well good luck. I've always thought a good marketing slogan for Stihl would be: "I should have bought the Stihl". I was tossing up between a Victa battery lawn mower and a Stihl one and as fate would have it...plumped for the Victa. A terrific lawnmower but it got discontinued. "I should have bought the Stihl".
That is a good slogan. That's unfortunate that the mower got discontinued, things like that happen to just about everyone. Have a great day!
You may want to rethink your decision to go with Echo. I had a friend who bought the CS 490 and he liked it for about 2 days until we raced saws. He put it up against my Husqvarna 288 XP and I absolutely smoked him. We were in a 36" log ,rumor has it he is still there cutting .
LOL, your friend didn't know what he was going up against. Thanks for watching!
How is a 49cc Saw Vs. an 87cc saw a race? This is asinine to bragg about.
@@hime273 It was a race because the saws were cutting against each other. The 87 cc saw won. Again,this was a race between TWO saws, not nine asses.
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What exactly is nine asses race? Oh Wait....on second thought, I doubt that's something I want to know anything about
But yeah man, beating another saw that's almost 30cc's smaller is a real accomplishment. 🙄
You sound like the totally rational and honest friend that everyone wishes they had.🤣😂
@@hime273 thanks
Thank you Sir for all the info
Thank you Sir for watching! Have a great day!
Good choice!
Thanks, the saw has worked out well for me.
I switched to electric, got tired of all the problems gas cutters give.
Electric are becoming very popular. Foresure no more carburetor, fuel filter, fuel mixture, etc. issues. Thanks for watching!
It’s like buying any other product , my dad used to tell me if it’s got tits or wheels it’s bound to give ya trouble, pick the make and model and trim you want whether it’s a truck, woman, saw , or bike because they all have problems 😂. I run so many different saws, Stihl, husky and the older Olympic saws have been my favorite. I started buying certain clone saws from Holzfforma and tweaking and tuning to what I like. The G372xp was $190 plus shipping when I got it on sale. So it’s been nice, can put regular husky and stihl parts on them also. Another cheap route you could consider. Good video 👍
I love your analogy, so true. Thanks for watching and I appreciate the comments. Have a great day.
Can't just say "stihl" anymore . It's stihl homeowner and stihl pro models. Echo is probably better than the homeowner but not close to pro model .
You are right on both points. Thanks for watching and have a great day!
I guess to each there own. Echo makes phenomenal saws and other equipment.
Stihl does make great saws. I can’t really talk for the homeowner or farm and ranch class saws, but I’ve had a total blast of a time with the professional saws.
I personally own the MS 261 C-M and have ran it pretty hard the past two years. Not one issue…. but I also take care of it probably way better than the next guy!
Two years, and it runs like a champ. The same spark plug even!
I agree Echo does make good stuff. I have come to like the brand much more over time. The 261 is a well liked saw by many. Glad to hear that you look after it. Thanks for watching and have a great day!
Bought a stihl a year ago I love it don’t know much about echo the only brand I won’t buy is husky
I have Stihl, Husqvarna and Echo saws. I got rid of all other brands. My Stihl saws out number the others by a fair bit. I am curious why you won't buy a Husqvarna.
Thanks for watching,
Stihls the best out last them all they our number 1 worldwide huh
Stihl does make great saws but they have made a few bad
models that are not quite as good. Supposedly, like you say they are number 1 world wide. Thanks for watching!
For 419$ u coulda got the cs-590 with the 60cc motor for less than your smaller one. Home Depot/Blaine’s farm and fleet
I would have bought the cs-590 but here in Canada, the cs-590 is $640 at the home depot. It's MSRP is $629.95 to $659.95 in Canada. Thanks for watching and have a great day.
I dont know about chainsaws as far as echo and Stihl goes but for weed eaters i find the Japanese echo and the italian efco Trimmers to be my favorite although Husky and Stihl are good brands ive used cheap and expensive 2 stroke and 4 stroke units I feel most 4 stroke trimmers are junk especially the ryobi troybilt and craftsman units ive used a stihl 4 mix once it had alot of power but they dont seem to last long i know there are other brands like Makita and Dolmar Maruyama Shindaiwa Hitachi Tanaka Redmax. Brands like Robin and Kawasaki use to make Weed Eaters also
Thanks for the info. Have a great day!
@@JelenOutDoors same to you
Jelen in some central european slavic languages means animal Deer. Maybe you didn't know it, is Jelen your surname ?
Yes you are correct and I am from European descent. Thanks for watching!
Good Japanese brand chainsaw
What are the gloves you are wearing in this video? They look a little bulky but I like the design
Hi Eric. The gloves are very comfortable. I purchased them at the local Stihl dealer. They are Watson shock Trooper D30. They are water and oil resistant, impact protection, cut and puncture protection. I really like them. I got them because I do a lot of cutting in areas with high amounts of thorn brush and thorn trees. You can grab just about anything with the gloves. Plus they really protect the back of your hand.
I have a Jonesred that runs circles around both.
Jonsered did make a great saw. I did have a few years back and they were awesome. Husqvarna took them over years ago. Now they no longer make them. Love the comment though. Have a great day and thanks for watching.
@@JelenOutDoors my old Jonesred outruns my new echo and stihl saws. They were a hell of a saw.
When it comes to chainsaws I only buy the professional models no matter the brand because the “homeowner” models are garbage.
I don't disagree with you that the pro models are much better. There is a fine line between brands and what they consider a pro saw. I have both pro and homeowner saws. Some people can't afford or justify the cost of the pro models. I would be more inclined to say that some brands are terrible. I think that saws should be bought with regards to the intended application usage. Although the pro saws are better they can be overkill for some buyers and if you only buy pro saws I am sure that you know that there are some lemons in that category.
Thanks for watching!
@@JelenOutDoors i have Echo 490 home saw and its bulletproof reliable but then i take care of my equipment
@@sundial6919 Thanks, it is great to know that it is a solid saw. I agree you do need to take care of the equipment you own. Thanks for watching!
@@JelenOutDoors Your intended (limbing) would be better served with a top handle saw that can be used
1 handed such as Stihl 192. Stihl pro saws(commercial grade) have better air filtration and the top end can be rebuilt easily as the jug can be removed by unbolting from the top with out splitting the crankcase.MS 250 saws can have an air leak in the rubber intake boot it is fairly common in saws that are used a lot.Even a small crack will make the saw run lean then seize the rings on Exhaust side...
@@fixtritephil7712 hi Phil, the 192 would be great when up in a tree but not so much while working from on the ground. Definitely, the 192 would be easier to work on. I had changed the intake boot on the 250 as you mentioned they are somewhat problematic but it did not help with the issue. Thanks for watching!
The Echo saws look like the old Homelite XL-12's rebranded and evolved a bit. Are they connected?
The Homelite is an American brand and Echo is Japanese. As far as I know there is no connection. Also, Echo saws are a much better product. Thanks for watching!
@@JelenOutDoors Do you mean to say that Echo is better than modern Homelite? I would agree with that. I have no intention of buying a modern Homelite. Like to get an Echo though, especially if it can run for over 50 years like my XL-12's have.
XL-12's were manufactured in Canada as well; some differences. May have still been an American owned company though. I have XL-12's with chain breaks! Factory.
@@markluxton3402 Yes, the modern Echo is better than a modern-day Homelite, in my opinion. How long will it last depends on how well it is looked after. That's impressive how long you have had your Homelite.
The older Echos were branded under the Craftsman name in the 70s and early 80s before they started using Poulan saws. They were also branded as John Deere and Roper. John Deere later switched to EFCO saws. I don't recall Homelite and Echo ever being connected though.
I’ve owned and used many brands and stihl are overpriced and over rated. I like my husqvarna but the Echo are under rated. They are way better than stihl imo. Tks for sharing.
Echo is made well. Thanks for watching and have a great day!
Stand closer to the mike
Will do, thanks.
In my opinion, Stihl is an overpriced brand and let's say that in comparison with Husqvarna,in a couple of models, Husqvarna is more tough builted.Recently i bought the Echo 280tes instead of the 2511, because I'm not a Pro worker and I can assure you that I can't stop working with and how happy I am.i don't know why is this happening with Stihl, but I do know one thing, that I won't buy for sure a single machine.be safe at work and congratulations for your upgrade.
Stihl saws are priced slightly higher but I am finding that the margin is starting to tighten. The Echo products seem to be very well made. That is great that you are happy with your Echo saw. You as well keep safe and happy sawing. Thanks for watching!
I have to question why anyone would want to buy a new chainsaw these days? Plastic piece of crap! If you want a good quality chainsaw you need to take a step back in time around 25 to 30 years and then you will have a quality piece to enjoy! Echo Koritz, Made in Japan! Great little saws! I have a chainsaw collection of around 70 saws, And half of them are vintage homelites. One of my favorites is a Husqvarna 266xp from Tomos Slavaina Yugoslavia! I did an exaust mod and went from a stock 224 to a 255 carburetor from a Husqvarna 1320K cutoff saw and that thing nothing short of fun to drop into a big Douglas fir and watch the chips fly! Get your hands on some old pioneers, Sachs-Dolmar, Roper, and then you will have a chainsaw! I just seen a Stihl 881 on Craigslist and the guy wants over $2000 dollars for it! I don't know if I have that much money invested in my collection of 70 saws! And when someone is selling the damn thing after owning it for eight months it tells me a story about the over priced plastic turd!
There is not much that you can buy today that is quality, everything is disposable. Thanks for watching!
Echo will forever outperform stihl.
They do make a great saw!
Stihl is the product others try to beat. I have used Stihl products 45 years and never been disappointed. But if your budget can’t keep up don’t be that Trashy Guy for the sake of it!
Stihl, Husqvarna and Echo all make great saws and they all have a not so good model or two. The best saw would be taking the best from each saw and marking a new brand. I have grown to really like the Echo saw that I purchased. The budget that I set was not because of constraints but rather because I wanted to replace the Stihl 250 which is roughly $500 here with another saw at the same price so I could see what other brands offered for the same price. I have a lot of saws, new and old and love them all. Thanks for watching!
@@JelenOutDoors That’s a fair statement anymore could live with! I appreciate your reason for comparison. Thanks!
That's no different than saying that Volkswagen is the best, because that's the only kind of car you have ever driven/owned.
I wouldn't be supprised if you were actually a Stihl Dealer, and are just here to do some social engineering in the CZcams comment section.
Echo Kioritz; Great
Echo Yamabiko; Meh
Stihl; Overpriced Joke
Everything these days seems to be overpriced
Volume SUCKS!
I agree the volume could have been much better. I didn't have an appropriate microphone at the time.
Stihls and echo are good machines. The rest are junk.
Husqvarna is actually better than Stihl and Echo in my honest experience. I'll go Echo after Husqvarna though.