How White People Benefit From Racism with Tracie McMillan - 257
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When we talk about racism in America, we tend to focus on the harm inflicted upon people of color, while rarely focusing on the ways that white people indirectly benefit from a racist culture. Author Tracie McMillan explores this concept of The White Bonus in her latest book, exploring the tangible financial benefits associated with being white in America. In this episode, Adam speaks with Tracie about white Americans reckoning with their privilege, the interconnectedness of racial and class conflicts, and how racism serves as the foundation of the widening class gap in the nation. Find Tracie's book at at factuallypod.com/books
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Up yours woke moralist. We'll see who cancels who.
You're the supposed Christian. You would think you are the moralist.
Two woke white liberals talking about stupid shit and virtue signaling
Racism is create/uphold by white people. Whites are the only ones that can be racist cause they are born from the wombs that births it in already setup system. The creation of racism/whitness is to harm Black people globally everyday. Since nobody chooses their parents/race that mains not all whites are bad people but it’s not the majority and that why we are still dealing with racism today. Black women globally suffer the most from racism even today cuz how skin, womanhood, mannerism, and our natural hair/also our cultural hairstyles are constantly under attack from ever groups of people on this planet. No other groups of women have to fight/pass a CROWN ACT LAW anywhere in the world just to wear their hair, but yet black women rise, evil never wins. Black women and her offspring was/is used to create white men/women structure/system and this is why most black women don’t/will never date/marry white men. When B-WM do date/marry it will be a curtain kind of white man who is brave, strong and kind cause his bloodline cursed to come will need it for their children. if most white people are good people like they say, why are we still talking about racism and the evil act that comes from it today?
Thank you for Bringing the Truth. !! 👍
“If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.”
― Lyndon B. Johnson
Wow didn't know he said that directly to the point. However we do have a lot of liberal policies thanks to him. Although it depends on where you live tho.
Horrifying quote from LBJ.
@@knowledgepower3558 Yeah, unfortunately politicians have been playing politics since the beginning. Even if they've had ideas that would benefited everyone/most, they still had to get the votes. If you want the vote of one group, tell them who to fear or feel superior to. It's the voters who have to learn see through this stuff, hence all the messing with history books and schooling.
Poor whites are slowly realizing what is happening, they can see it's a "class" issue more than racial but you get upper-middle class whites saying we're all racists instead of owning their specific position. Trust me, minorities have the support of the majority of people, it's the privileged upper-middle class who can't own it as a "class" problem. So now it's everyone's problem, like punishing all the kids instead of the specific kid who broke the rule. It's lazy.
They talk about "raising" us all up to 'their level' but try talking about them having to give up a little, you'll see the rage build up in their eyes. The privileged aren't going to give up their position in life. The privileged have a hard time owning their mistake and don't have to because of power. So they do this crap and talk about it generally and pragmatically as a systematic problem vs the problem of ego, ignorance and emotion. Because when you act clinical and non-emotional everyone else is the basket case and the problem, not the talking heads posing as allies perpetuating the issues trying to divide those without.
clarence thomas recently in the hearing about affirmative action, foolishly wanted to know what affirmative action meant, it’s what you benefited from!
I appreciate when people are honest and say Black… Not POC, Not BIPOC, not Black and brown, all terms that attempt to erase the black historical experience in America
It's true. White people made discriminatory laws against black people. The rest of us just got lumped in with discrimination.
Yes!!
Seriously. Drives me nuts, especially since those terms are rarely used to genuinely include other groups, and when they are, they serve as sugary euphemisms for people to be dishonest about meaning "everyone but the y-tes." Say what you mean, people, but probably a reason why that phrase sounds awful, hence euphemism. Plus when it's predominately used by y-tes inherently in the capacity I noted, just more complication and concerning irony.
You guys should look up Dr. Frances Cress Welsing. She breaks down the terminology very well psychologically. When we hold on to just being “Black” we don’t dig deeper into our past/ancestors. We believe our story begins with slavery in America and not in the BCE. I sometimes refer to myself as Melanated or a person of color to keep the door of curiosity open. We’re so much more than just Black, and it’s important we begin to breakdown where we each descend from besides, American Slavery.
@@XandCothat's for the recommendation!
As a black person, it is REFRESHING to hear white person be HONEST about the American Experience. Smh
Refreshing?
Drink a sprite silly one
Refreshing@@anthonyel-ashaad6532
Democrat-RINOs have been doing everything that Adam talks about in this video. Millions of white, Asian, and Latinos are just now becoming aware of the terrible things that Democrat-RINOs have been doing to blacks and Indians, including mass murder.
Also check out the work of Caucasian scholar Jacqueline Battalora, she’s honest as well. She has lectures on the invention of “white” people. Then, study anthropology to understand where the Caucasian came from about 8k years ago before they were known as Americans. And finally, study where YOUR ancestors came from and how they gave birth to humanity about 3.2 million years ago.
My dad fought in the Korean War, got done, came home and had to sit at the back of the bus, yet racism doesn’t exist. Ok
My father came back from WW II and couldn't get a home loan or educational benefits like the white veterans.
White people like to pretend like there's some MATHEMATICALLY PERFECT, scientific, and "objective," race-blind mechanism to asses "merit" that somehow PRECLUDES implicit bias (which ALWAYS benefits whites because whites HAVE ALMOST ALL THE EXISTING STRUCTUAL POWER - you know, thanks to slavery, Jim Crow, prohibitions on blacks ability to attend tertiary institutions, receive credit, housing, free money and, you know, HISTORY).
CEOs, Federal and State Judges, head of school boards, the boards of directors of most companies, doctors, hospital presidents, police commissioners, the people who run most of the Admissions departments in MOST schools (especially elite schools), etc. ARE MOSTLY WHITE. The most POWERFUL DECISION MAKERS IN SOCIETY are white. So blacks are already at a disadvantage when it comes to implicit bias (because implicit bias is ONLY really important when there's a structural power imbalance, and in America that power imbalance is ubiquitous).
People should Google what percentage of BLACK VETERANS received the full benefits of the GI BILL. Tiny.
People should Google what percentage of black freemen and sharecroppers received the Homestead act. Tiny.
Book recommendations:
1. "The Color of Law: A Forgotten History of How Our Government Segregated America" by Richard Rothstein.
2. "The Color of Money: Black Banks and the Racial Wealth Gap" by Mehrsa Baradaran.
Start with those two and then TELL ME WE SHOULDN'T PAY REPARATIONS TO BLACK AMERICANS. Please, reparations should be MANDATORY. Heck, Ronald Reagan paid victims of the Japanese Internment camps REPARATIONS. Black Americans have been through FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR, FAR WORSE than Japanese Americans experienced in those dreadfully xenophobic concentration camps. A total of 1,862 Japanese people died from medical problems while in the internment camps. About one out of every 10 of these people died from tuberculosis. BLACK AMERICANS HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANYTHING, but Reagan paid the Japanese.
White America seems to go out of their way to hate black Americans with a kind of vitriol that can only be explained by racism and fascism. Heck, SOME white people will even say "well blacks already got reparations, it's called a welfare check." Which, of course, is itself a racist statement. I think we need to PERSISTENTLY argue that America IS A RACIST COUNTRY UNTIL, and only UNTIL, reparations to black Americans are paid. Until then, we should continue to advance the notion that America is a racist country (because it is, until the empirical data suggests otherwise). White Americans, for some perverse reason, seem to think blacks are responsible for their plight. And it's a BAFFLING exercise in ANTI-HISTORY and DENIALISM. This is also another indication that America is a racist country.
I mean, if we are running a race and I (whites) get to start at the 70 meter mark, while you start at the 0 meter mark, you will invariably lose the race. And in a CAPITALIST SYSTEM, the rich (and their progeny) get richer, which means this INEQUALITIES GET OSSIFIED ACROSS GENERATIONS. The problem of the racial wealth gap, for instance, is only going to get worse. The black-white racial wealth gap is worse NOW than it was in 1962 (during Segregation). Apartheid America had LESS income inequality by race than integrated America in 2024, for reasons I've already stated.
Charles Fredrickson, a black man, invented the plane before the Wright Brothers but was never credited due to racism. Charles Drew pioneered the extraction technique for blood plasma and plasmapheresis and his achievements were ignored for years. I could go on. The ancient Egyptians were black. And the Greeks, and later the Romans, learned everything from the Egyptians. We need a properly accounting of history. That might help this discourse.
Like, irrespective of race, people BORN INTO POVERTY, have less chances to excel in school, are FAR LESS LIKLEY to attend university etc. And blacks in America have disproportionately HIGHER rates of POVERTY. Blacks are 13% of the population but make up about 44% of the total prison population. Blacks get longer sentences for the same offenses as white. Blacks are 4 to 7 times MORE likely to receive the death penalty. If a white murders a black person, they get 20 years in prison (e.g. Patrick Philip Byrne in Washington); if a black murders a white person, even if all the facts suggest it was an accident, they get the death penalty (e.g. William Henry Furman in Georgia). Why? MOST of the judges are white. MOST of the prosecutors are white. MOST of the ____(insert VERY important and powerful position here)____are white.
White people received affirmative action for centuries - Homestead act, access to credit, access to housing etc. Color-Blindness is NOT REAL as it presupposes we've reached some kind of post-racial utopia (lol). We have NOT achieved color-blindness yet because not only is racism alive and well, but it's so deeply embedded in so many different aspects of modern life that any change to the status quo will necessarily require whites to give up undeserved privilege. That's going to be tough but it's DOABLE. And yet, somehow, white people are always complaining that blacks are the ones getting "undeserved" preferential treatment when IN FACT all the data says that WHITE WOMEN have been the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action and you are MORE LIKELY to get a job as a white man without a college degree than a black man WITH a college degree. I mean, cmon. How are people supposed to ascend up the social motility ladder WITHOUT OPPORTUNITIES. Blacks are being, and have been denied for centuries, OPPORTUNITIES.
If we could CHANGE how education is funded, that would be huge. If we could CHANGE the welfare laws, that would be huge. If we could REINSTITUTE Affirmative Action (but this time with explicit pathways for young black students to attend college by having state-funded mentorship programs).
We CAN achieve this. But it will require more white people like me to give a damn. And sadly, I suspect 45% of whites are either racist or completely indifferent to racism (which, imo, is just as bad). Which, despite my patently heavy-handed approximations, is FAR too high a number. But it does leave 55% of whites who, with the right EXPOSURE to the TRUTH ABOUT AMERICAN HISTORY, will, imo, support any racial justice initiatives. 2020 gave me hope. Younger white kids, i hope, are less racist than their parents and grandparents, because if the BLM protests were any indication, there's an appetite for civil disobedience...an appetite for CHANGE. The Palestinian protests are also a HEALTHY sign that society hasn't entire lost its moral economy.
The sad part is my own grandfather, who I'm trying to love, is RACIST AS HELL. Incorrigibly so. I've tried and tried and tried to change him, to disabuse him of his racist views with facts upon facts upon facts. He REFUSES to change, and he will die a racist fool. I love him, but he is still a racist fool and, if God considers the hateful spirit of racism a sin, then he will probably not be going to heaven (I told him this to his face, and he still didn't budge). Naturally, we don't talk. I can't be around somebody that hateful. It's disgusting and IRRATIONAL. But if he's symptomatic of MANY more people (especially 60 years and over), and he assuredly is, then wholesale changes will have to be federal and paternalism (a la LBJ's Great Society).
People should read up on WHY the Equal Credit Act of 1974 was passed. Because blacks, irrespective of how great their credit scores were, were being DENIED credit. That was unheard of if you were a white person.
We NEED DEI that specifically targets African Americans (not white women); we NEED affirmative action that specifically targets African Americans (not white women).
START PETITIONING CONGRESSMAN, at the local and state and federal level, that will support anti-racist policies and racism-mitigation policies. VOTE for policy makers who support CRIMINAL justice reform and EDUCATION reform (underfunded).
The irony is, states like Texas which have no state-income tax, have HIGH property taxes but they still have UNDERFUNDED school districts.
I'm hopeful that one day, we will get another Lincoln, FDR, or LBJ. A president with real power and a modicum of moral clarity as it pertains to race.
I'm a Black veteran of Vietnam too 68-69 and I never had any problem getting the GI Bill.
@@Ma1nguy soooo did you get the opportunity to a Home in any neighborhood in those years that you own today ?
If so did you use equity to help your family ?
Also after the G.i. bill was given to you - did you have any issues getting a conventional mortgage or loan for another 2nd Home ?
@@Ma1nguy- That's good for you and other Vietnam War veterans. But that doesn't change the fact that blk veterans of previous wars were denied G.I. Bill benefits. I have a postgraduate degree from public university in the South. That doesn't change the fact that blk people were denied admission, based upon race, when my parents were college age.
My father's a Vietnam vet. No GI Bill. Went right back to sharecropping after serving. Smh....
Damnnn 😮
It happened to so many of our African-American soldiers and Caribbean soldiers as well that served on the behest of America and the West during world war II, even to world war I, as well as Vietnam, the Korean war and any other turmoil or conflicts which arise based in the white world.
Yes the same things here
@@DECEPTICON33true but since then we’ve sent trillions into inner cities(mostly black areas) to aid welfare or school programs yet it’s not helped. Racism is not the main problem in 2024 - corruption is
Yet they continue to yell separate but equal. The entire reason they wanted to keep it separate was because they did not want to make it equal. They did not want to share power. separate, but equal. Right.
Pull yourself up by your bootstraps is such gaslighting
Right, you'd rather beg for handouts than take control of your own life.
@@Goldenboy48The black community is owed money. You are just mad that life is not going your way anymore.
@@SirNic4180 no you actually owe this country if we're being honest. Trillions have been invested into this blk hole you call a community.
@@SirNic4180 no you owe this country if we're being honest because trillions have been invested into this bottomless pit you call the kommunity
@@SirNic4180 no you actually owe this country because trillions of investment's have been wasted on you already.
She just explained systematic racisim.
Explained it wrong tbh. Because being white doesn't make this happen, being rich does. Will Smith's kids would have all those advantages but my white ghetto one certainly had none of those advantages.
Affirmative action is systemic racism
That's what I was thinking. Instead of saying _"systemic racism,"_ she intricately described it and how it harms people.
@@nuttysquirrel8816
That's how the 5 eye countries and Europe are this way now-
The Constitution is for white privilege -
USA UK CANADA AUSTRALIA NZ and Europe work in unison- They chop and change laws and legislations daily to justify their neocolonial atrocities locally and abroad!
Been happening for centuries!
I can’t tell you how much I appreciate you saying Black and not these stupid umbrella terms like POC or minorities. Bravo!! Well done! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Thank you for not being the minority but the majority, we still got work to do in the land of the lost 500 yrs later
ADOS - American Descendants of Slavery is the term that I have adopted because it is quite specific.
I know right, I'm not an African-American or some other nonsense word, I'm a BLACK AMERICAN and/ or FBA👍
Well I mean it's because, while PoCs are also impacted, it's BIPoCs the most overall impacted and most targeted/villainized in getting racist/classist policies passed
@@6213explorer1our ancestors were enslaved they weren't made for slavery! I don't think God agrees with that
Finally someone who’s not afraid to tell the truth to his own.
Finally someone not afraid to tell...? On what planet do you live on? Maybe you've never heard about White fragility but unless you've been living under a rock it's impossible to miss white privilege or DEI. Diversity equity inclusion. Rings a bell? It's everywhere. It's an industry.
But if they intend to do nothing with it, why tell it?
@@senoracheapee1864awareness is important
I'm a blk female journalist, and on Facebook, I recently talked about a news story that said that because of an algorithm, blk people who needed kidney transplants were automatically placed lower on the transplant list than other people who were in the same stage of the disease. That's because the algorithm "assumed" that, for example," a blk person with stage 4 kidney disease wasn't as sick as a non-blk person with stage 4 kidney disease.
The problem just recently was corrected, with blk people put on the kidney donor list based on their stage of illness instead of race.
But I swear, one women tried to argue with me because she insisted that non-blk people were now being "slighted" because blk people would be treated like everyone else.
You can't make that up. 🙄
Wow, she said the quiet part out loud
The 'Guardian mode' is usually automatic and engendered by society. It is a subconscious, reflexive self gaslighting blindered view a la 'head up thine own assism.'.
Did she explain exactly how they were being slighted now that the wrong was righted?? where before everyone else was being treated and the black patients in stage 3 or 4 was not. Hate how they always think that skipping the line doesn't affect the folks patiently waiting their turn.
@@zvigier For her that comment or way of thinking was normal because she has been conditioned to always see blk people as less than. In her indoctrinated mind, white is the default so them getting more is supposed to be expected. Its the norm. That's why equality seems abnormal to someone like her. There are many people like her and they're coming hard for anything that benefits minorities in this country.
Not considered human, and have to fight to be treated the same .
This "System" would never work without people to support, sustain, and maintain it. 👀💯
I have always felt the same.
YT community sits by and pretends nothing is happening 😑
They have been doing wrong for so long They think it right 🙄🤔
Alright now ,stay up 🤔
@@SirNic4180 They throw their hands in the air ,because they just dont care Will tell you ,get in line with rest of them .That dont like situation they are in😵😳🥺😵😱
Glad you chose to have the conversation. Not many have the courage to do so.
The 5 English speaking countries have systemic systems that benefit everyone except the Indigenous Peoples of the Lands!
USA UK CANADA AUSTRALIA NZ and Europe work in unison - They chop and change laws and legislations daily to justify their neocolonial atrocities locally and abroad!
Their MSM platforms all sing the same tune too!
USA CANADA AUSTRALIA and NZ still have their Indigenous Peoples living under neocolonial oppression in their own Lands-
The scene in Hidden Figures where Kevin Costner takes down the sign NEVER happened and those men BARELY acknowledged the historic women portrayed in the movie
It's interesting when white people try to paint themselves as "heroic" even when most of the time they are not.
Incidentally, Kevin Costner's character (which was created for the movie) knocks down the sign at the "COLORED" women's bathroom in the building where the colored lady "computers" were located. This action doesn't inform white women using the ladies room in the building with the other (white) male NASA engineers, that all ladies of all colors should be able to access the "WHITE ONLY" ladies room. I always thought that was a silly scene that was meant to be dramatic and make a point about racism, but the point was being made to the wrong people.
that film was a fantasy & fiction
@@doodad77 That part was, but those women weren't. It irritates you that Black women could be good enough at mathematics that NASA would hire them. All you do is sit around and play video games all day and fantasy that you are superior. 🤔
@@doodad77 Hidden Figures is a movie based on actual events.
When I was born, "Brown vs The Board of Education" was in effect. I'm 71 now and finally this conversation is being had amongst white people in Amerikkka!!! What a time to be alive!!!!
Thank you Adam for choosing to have this conversation. My Dad was born in 1950s Jim Crow Mississippi. As an infant, my Grandma moved with my Dad and his siblings to Chicago. So often, the attacks on American descendants of slavery are under-accounted for or reflexively dismissed as 'victim mentality' for simply speaking up about things that actually happened across our lineage. I think the only real redress is a multifaceted reparations package.
My grandfather fought in a world war. Denied benefits. Benefits for farmers....denied.
That's a damn shame 😒
These are the kinds of talk on podcasts that should get a million views
The good and interesting ones do
They will never get a million views cause many people don't want to hear the truth or believe the truth.Most white folks don't believe what is being said because they don't think it effects them ,but if they go back to their grandparents and pay attention to the laws and the years they were enforced then they should blacks never benefited even though they deserved too 😢
Why, it's just woke propaganda. Asians and Js make even more money, why doesn't she talk about that privilege? Because it wouldn't fit the narrative.
Thankfully after nearly a week only 20K fools have bothered to watch this trash.
Most don’t want to hear the truth and definitely not open to have this discussion. “It never happened or that was so long ago, get over it and stop playing the victim”. Meanwhile, let me enjoy my very comfortable life your ancestors provided for my family.
I'm a 84 year old Afrikan in America ; in Tennessee Gov . Clement said he was to give fee books to the children ; black people thought he was great .come to find out white people was getting free books all of the time and black kids we being 5 years behind whites because the out dated books they were given ;.when I was in the military in the 50's ; to keep me from a promotion they would always change the requirement for the promotion . the white guy would always be promoted ahead of the blacks .when all of the whites were promoted then the blacks would be promoted .
Yeah that reversed in a lot of the country. I've seen the opposite happen in jobs for the last 20 years. It is a tragedy it happened to you, and tragedy that it happens to others based on race today. Agreed?
And this is from personal experience as well as watching it happen to others. Qualifications were completely unmatched but the affirmative action/DEI hiring made it clear what really mattered.
20 years compared to over 200 yrs.
And you often hear, what systematic racism? Y’all just lazy that’s why y’all years behind us. 😂 The audacity! SMH!! Some will never believe or get it.
@@mosijahi3096...who has 200 years of life experience?
That pool example is eye opening because most cities don’t even have public pools anymore!
Yeah we've gone to HOAs versus city taking care of the roads and providing pools, and parks.
The drowning of black kids has also been linked to the disappearance of public pools across America after integration.
I was watching a documentary and they said after they build all the private pools in the suburbs and country club, they close the pools in the city to hurt the people in the city to deprive the people in the cities, a state job maintaining the state sponsored pools which was there for white folks, but they did not want it there for black people
This is interesting, we as Black people new this. Thank you for pointing out the historical facts.
Knew* and apparently you don't KNOW shit
We live it!
@@andrewlachance8382 ...couldn't help having a moment to completely douche out like a little petty bitch🤣
@@andrewlachance8382White cause I say only make you believe revisionist history. All through American history, foreigners and white people got handouts and a leg up. Starting with the homestead act, even when suburbs were formed, they made sure to exclude black people. The only reason there's a immigration bill is to flood in white likes to build over Freedman, aka FBA'S descendants communities. We know segregationist younglings destroyed civility and fairness in America 🇺🇸. A modern mind shows that atonement and reconciliation never happened. Only reparations heal white fragility and revisionist history in real-time. Unapologetically
My grandfather returned home from fighting in WW2, only to be denied the promised G.I. Bill benefits for his service to our country. It was especially painful when they made jokes about it, and Adam laughed, knowing the reality of the situation Wow. But as a Black man in America, the expectation is that I should just endure it and lift myself up by my bootstraps. And now, the burden falls on me to ensure my children follow suit, without any financial support from either me or the government. #Reparations
My white grandfather didn't benefit from the GI bill either, after he returned from North Africa and Italy. Only a small fraction of society went to college back then.
Foreigners coming from poorer back ground that cant speak engilsh are coming to eat your lunch
ABSOLUTELY in agreement. Their ability to chuckle so lightly and I think of the trauma my grandparents endured through that era!
@@candicefitzgerald7773they chuckle because it's so unfathomable how unfair it was and the only other options are to have a sad face.
@@jacobzindel987he still got to be white and that ain't half bad when you are in the interview shaking hands with another white man.
The GI's in Illinois whose lineage is American Descendants of Slavery (ADOS) didn't get the GI bill either. This was a nationwide phenomenon, not just in the South.
In the GI Bill that states could decide if Black could get it. So if Illinois decided that you don't get it, it's legal. This was a compromise between Roosevelt and a Mississippi congressman who didn't want Blacks to get it.
She said MOSTLY the South....and you don't need to say ADOS 90% of Black Americans are African American.
When you speak on Blackness in America your not speaking about Black immigrants.
Most Black immigrants have no presence outside of the Northeast or Florida.
My granddad was a G.I. In Newyork and wasn’t able to take advantage of the G.I. Bill. Instead, Him and my grandmother, settled in a public housing project. And my mom said they were happy to get into the projects because it was based on their income.
@@senoracheapee1864 And that's the difference. While all of the other G.I.'s were able to build wealth via a nice home, go to college, or start a business with the G.I. Bill; G.I.'s who were descended from American chattel slaves got the projects or continued to be renters. They had no wealth to pass on to their heirs. Reparations are long overdue.
Well we might have faught these wars but they looks at us as servants or less than in the eyes of the Caucasian people
Thank you for being white people talking about this, blacks that have been knowing and talking about it forever.🤷🤔
''black'' is a description not a monolithic group of people and not a Lineage.
*Black people*
Yeah, cause white people don’t listen to POC’s because of “systemic racism” not simply overt rascism, making Allie’s, goes a long way, but also respectfully let’s not forget about a history of white people talking about “Others sufferings” because they get to talk about everything and anything, because they are white.
They act like all this is new to us
The problem is people only listen when white people talk about it…..
Support reparations for Black Americans.
Absolutely!
Just
CUT THE CHECK
We can do it. The Caribbean islands have all been preparing their case for reparations from Europe. It is more than a conversation these days. It is awesome to see.✊🏾🇯🇲🇺🇸
How much was ships of cotton worth in those days?
@erikaarnold4780 👍 yes! Yes! Salute and much love to the Caribbean!
My thoughts exactly. Just be honest, at least when we know where everyone stands we can see the problem clearly.
The problem is, they don’t want you to see it clearly that’s why people don’t want to be honest about it
Wow....Iam a Black South African man in my 40's, first time watching the Adam Conover podcast and this episode was like getting punched in the stomach. My sincere apologies if this may come across the way it does but Iam always left in awe when White people are so frank, honest and forthright about racism and how White people in general benefit from racism. I consider myself to be a relatively intelligent human being, a critical thinker who's understanding and reasonable, who prides himself in being a humanist, speaking for myself as a Black person, when I speak about racism with White people, it often feels like we're on two different planets.
Thankyou very much sharing this episode with us. I think what Adam said at the end of the interview summoned up everything so well and he hit it on the nail..." The cost benefit analysis of racist policies does not benefit White people in the end"....and as Adam said, 'you're cutting off your noses to spite your face'...thats how deep racism goes and as a South African, I should know, racism runs deep in our country and I don't know what it will take for our White brothers and sisters in South Africa to see and acknowledge it. Denialism, deflecting and being defensive about how racism policies like Apartheid benefitted White people back then and how Apartheid still benefits White South Africans till today is real and heartbreaking.
Institutionalized and systemic racism doesn't die, it just morphs into something else that's more subversive and sinister. Black people have been fighting racism for more than 400 years, we're tired. It now takes brave White men and women like Adam and Tracie to take the baton and to shine a light on the evil that it is. Racism will never be resolved and put to an end by Black people, only White people as a collective can do that by being more conscious on how institutionalized and systemic racism actually works.
Thankyou Adam for having the kahunas to bring this topic to our attention, it was quality content and thankyou to your guest Tracie Mcmillan, she was on point.
so, you had to hear it from white folks? okay, gotcha
I studied TRC there, and America needs the same. Nonetheless Adam is a star and doing Gods work 🙏. God bless him.
I think this conversation very eloquently highlights these ideas of cutting off ones nose to spite their face. It's like how we so often how we talk about how patriarchy hurts men too.
I've always thought of it like a 100 meter race where the average middle class white person starts at the 75 meter point and everyone else is starting somewhere between the negative 20 meter point and the 20 meter point.
However, the truth is that racism has pushed us so far back that what was 100 meter race 50-70 years ago is now a 400 meter race.
White people are still starting at the 100 meter yard line, but now they have to run 300 meters just to accomplish the same things that their grandparents did with 1/12 of the effort. People of color might be starting at the 10 to 50 meter point, but we still have to run a 350-390 meter race.
I know this comment is going long, but I was speaking to my mother yesterday about how I'm about to surpass an annual salary of 6 figures and yet I'm not living lavishly. I have two cars that have an average age of 20 years old. I am living comfortably and I can cover unexpected expenses as long as they are not crazy big. If I made this much money 40 years ago, I would be classifibly rich and that's what is so crazy to me.
That is both the erosion of the American dream, the American dollar, and the American standard of living.
If racism is still that bad and oppressive in America then why do millions of brown and black people risk their life to come and live here every year? I think something like 5 million African immigrants have through their own will - immigrated to America and most do pretty well here. Why isn’t racism holding them back?
On point comment puts much into perspective...that's the good ole moving goal post combined with racism.
There are more poor white ppl in America than blk 🤦♂️
The 5 eye countries UK USA CANADA AUSTRALIA NZ and Europe work in unison!
Everyone in the 5 English speaking countries work for a system that legally steals from you - rent, food, gas etc...
The 5 English speaking countries all preserve and maintain their neocolonial systems that benefit everyone else in the 5 English speaking countries except the Black peoples!
USA CANADA AUSTRALIA and NZ still have their Indigenous Peoples living under neocolonial oppression in their own Lands-
The 5 English speaking countries and Europe all work for Israhell now, the capital of white supremacy!
Use of the term POC is an erasure of ADOS. Please don't use the term POC when you discuss historical facts that occurred before the Immigration Act of 1965 when other melanated groups were allowed to enter America more freely. This discussion is very nuanced and its important to frame it correctly.
Another very important aspect in this conversation must include the lineage of the longest, most inhumanely harmed historically Americans who Descend from the institution of Slavery (ADOS). ADOS (who own essentially nothing in a country that they built and made white Americans wealthly are anchored to the bottom and wealthless) has been here fighting for justice since the existence of slavery.
Thank you Adam for having the courage and respect to have these conversations on your platform. Pure class and quality.
For those that say there is no WT privilege, tell me then why is there is light-skinned (white passing) privilege? As a light-skinned black person, I AM treated better than my dark-skinned brethren in every way.
No you're not. You want to believe you are.😂
Good point.
I won't say I believe in every way, but I will agree that colorism is an issue and I appreciate that you recognize your privilege because of it.
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One-drop🩸rule*
@@brujocavat4847 airhead
shawn rochester THE BLACK TAX . Interview him in relation to this topic. Well done Adam.
I'm a Black American and I grew up largely in the suburbs around many white folks. However my highschool was probably 30% black which is more than 2x the national black population. That said, my interpretation of what regular working class white folks don't understand is that almost EVERYTHING is for you. When you walk in a room almost everyone is white. When you turn on the TV, walk down the street, go to the store ect. What white Americans get is the comfort of always being the majority and default. You don't have to explain your culture. You don't have to question if your experience in a situation was hindered because of your skin color. Almost every depiction in media of an unambiguously heroic figure is a white person. American society is defaulted to whiteness.
Lately society is moving towards more equitable representation, but it's been a white society forever in this country. I personally much prefer approaching issues in society based on class rather than race, but imagine what its like to live your entire life as the other. At best that's what most Black Americans deal with.
Well said- also class is definitely an issue even among people of the same color.
Very well said...
Then white guys go, “When I was a kid I never worried about if GI Joe was my color or not” yeah because you didn’t have to. He was always white. I don’t see how they don’t get it.
In 2013, I was a member of a predominately black church. The pastor and his wife were black, and most of the congregation was black. Next were Hispanics, then there was one white couple and 👉one single yte male.👈
During the Holiday season, the leadership decided to put on a Christmas play. Guess who they chose to play the part of Jesus.
Understand something here. If you go by class you will get the same results. Black people are always on the bottom of the social class scale. America is built on that alone.
I push back any time I hear the claim that social programs and government aid should be earned and usually it uncovers racial bias, whether intentional or subconscious.
Means testing is coming from people who are either stupid, or evil. Or both.
Every day I'm reminded that social media is just one giant echo chamber with little or no means to cross over to hear varying points of view. I will say though, they are quite effective in keeping us here to continue feeding the ad dollars.
Donations Gifts Fundraisers for the rich...
Welfare Subsidies
Handouts
for the poor
...agreed. One of the largest government aid programs which should be earned is corporate welfare. Multi-billion-dollar corporations should have to earn tax breaks by proving they are providing benefits for the country broadly instead of just benefitting their shareholders, and I'm saying this as a business owner and capitalist. We need reformative legislation.
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Just to be clear, the econopolitical argument made, is that giving people too much money will cause them to want to work less for the capitalists. And that would be bad for the economy. So the absolute minimum should be determined, and then not a cent more given. Means testing to make absolutely certain that nobody gets a cent more.
If this hurts people, it doesn't matter. Since keeping them in their place is more important.
Conservative economics in a nutshell.
THANK YOU! I often ask why people have these conversations in a bubble! The construct of being color blind is a luxury only afforded to white people! I don't get to be blind to inequity.Not teaching my son that he cannot wear a hoodie or run in my neighborhood could LITERALLY be the difference between life and death.Not telling my daughter that she does not get to express anger, could literally stop her upward mobility and also mean death.
It’s refreshing to hear these 2 white people having this conversation. This conversation is what the republicans in particular are afraid of along with many white Americans.
Don't be fooled, sir. Dems are more deadly then Reps. They are both two sides of the same coin. At least Reps are honest about their racist white supremacy. Dems lie and smile in our face, while never coming through with tangible solutions that lead to real results.
And Democrats. They go right along with it.
I, as a white Republican, can tell you we are not afraid of this conversation. Its that we A. disagree and B., know that you're too fragile to hear the truth about your own community without engaging in violence or threats. Black people have thin skin. Paper thin. That's the truth. That's why they turn to violence anytime a white person looks at them crosseyed or says something even remotely critical about the black community whether its true or not.
Yeah,just call back Critical Race Theory!
you sure love to be a victim
Thank you for having and sharing this conversation.
Thank you very much for your truly open and honest conversation. The “I can’t see the forest for all the trees” concept has paralyzed the world. Blessing to you ❤️
White supremacy will never be defeated unless we end capitalism. It's sad that you can talk with such insight about racial inequities, but when it comes to doing something about it, the only answers you can imagine are mainly about white people learning not to be so racist. But individual moral solutions will not work. The system must be changed from the ground up.
The only way to do that is pay reparation, you have to even the playing field and give Black people a voice in this country. Admit that every policy that we have fought for has helped this country live up to the ideals spoken about in our constitution. The only way to get there is to Pay TRUE reparations and let us cook.
saying end capitalism is playground level thinking.
@kyaweeks734 Reparations would be part of the process of replacing capitalism with a humane system. In my comment I assumed it was obvious that "end capitalism" was not meant as an empty slogan.
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Actually, it will end when a majority of Blacks come back to Jesus and call on him like they did when they were biblically slaves in Egypt. "Man cannot live on bread alone." That is what he is waiting for. Many ppl in this world, including Whites, claim to be Christians but only know him by name. Blacks had the responsibility as true Israelites "chosen people", disciples, to spread the word of God, but instead, the Caucasians did so under the false guise of evangelism (for greed and profit), while Blacks decided to perpetuate the golden calf of paganism. That is part of the reason he has allowed the oppression for so long, which follows biblical patterns of punishment, for disobedience to Jesus.
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I'm thankful to you both for having this conversation. I cannot speak for all black people, but I for one need conversations, even the most difficult ones to be had. That begins CHANGE if all parties involved are genuine and understand how to repair presumably lost causes as well as how we ALL are connected. If I'm good and we are friends, but you are having a downtrodden moment...guess what? I'm to HELP YOU. My point is that we should all want our neighbors to be as strong and solvent as possible. If not for racism we might just have advanced further as a society by now. Be well. Thanks again❤
Edit: I want to add because I think this is important that I do not have a problem with people helping their 'own'...I have a problem with the repeated sabotage of black people and our families, neighborhoods. It should be obvious now, but may not be as these tactics go back to Jim Crow to the 80's.
Absolutely 💯
Another good example of this is tipping. America imported the concept of tipping after slavery because white employers didn't want to pay their black service workers. Laws meant to benefit workers, like minimum wage, excluded jobs that black people held, so many black people only made tips. Fast forward to today, and the effect of those policies now impacts all kinds of people with service jobs.
Yes! This! 👆 It's never a problem for people until it bleeds into their life and now the upper-middle class might have to give up something so now it's everyones issue. So now the privileged whites want all white people of all classes to pay for their mistakes and privilege when the reality is that it's a class problem.
I once babysat for a white south African family (20 years ago), and the grandma told me she felt really uncomfortable tipping a white person and said that basically never happened in South Africa. I never really understood why, but it makes sense that white people would have salaries and black people would work for tips
So as revenge every black person now refuses to tip?
Black people are NOT THE ONLY food service workers/wait-staff that "live on tips". Plenty of white people also live on tips. I'm tired of the idea that a\"All white peope are middle-class"--plenty of us are WORKING CLASS & WORKING POOR
Ironically, tipping culture in major cities and at esteemed establishments can help earn hospitality workers, servers and bartenders anywhere from $60 - $200/hr and most of those jobs are occupied by white ppl and white passing people. Its very rare for Black ppl to hold those type of high earning hospitality jobs.
As i kid I always learned that dividing the working class broke solidarity and decreased their power. That analysis always lead me to think racism hurt all of the working class, not just the people of color. Never know how to square that with these conversations.
Two things can be true, as well as historically more working class people tended to be black.
@@dragonrly sure, but 44% of people below the poverty line are still white. If its true that cross racial solidarity could do more to force policies to address poverty white people would be the largest group to benefit.
I've mentioned this already a few times: Poor whites are slowly realizing what is happening, they can see it's a "class" issue more than racial but you get upper-middle class whites saying we're all racists instead of owning their specific position. Trust me, minorities have the support of the majority of people, it's the privileged upper-middle class who can't own it as a "class" problem. So now it's everyone's problem, like punishing all the kids instead of the specific one who broke the rule. It's lazy.
They talk about "raising" us all up to 'their level' but try talking about them having to give up a little, you'll see the rage build up in their eyes. The privileged aren't going to give up their position in life. The privileged have a hard time owning their mistake and don't have to because of power. So they do this crap and talk about it generally and pragmatically as a systematic problem vs the problem of ego, ignorance and emotion. Because when you act clinical and non-emotional everyone else is the basket case and the problem, not the talking heads posing as allies perpetuating the issues trying to divide those without.
That's her point. Her example at the end is about how cutting property tax benefited primarily white home owners but then they ended up needing to spend more on private schools than they saved on taxes. The policy hurt everyone.
I deleted my original metaphor because I devised a new one which is less violent.... Racism is a thief. Racism steals $20 from the white worker, but $80 from the Black worker. Both workers are harmed, but one is harmed more severely. The goal is for neither worker to be harmed and for both to be "made whole." To make each whole means giving them what was stolen. That is where the race politics in America worked. To make the white worker whole, he is given back his $20, and the Black worker is given back his $80, but then.. some Republican politician, voted into office by the Thief (whose campaign was funded by the money stolen from both workers), points at the scene and says, "Ah hah, discrimination. You gave the white worker only $20, but gave the Black Worker $80, so THAT is discrimination." Then the Federalist Society Supreme Court agrees, and decides that neither worker gets anything, and the Thief gets to keep the $100 he stole, which he can use to buy more politicians and Justices. Both workers, meanwhile, remain harmed, but one is harmed more and one is harmed less, and the working class is divided, because the white worker can think, "well, this system sucks. I had my $20 dollars stolen, but, hey, at least I didn't have $80 stolen, and I don't want to make waves, because I don't want to end up losing $80".
If there was solidarity, the white worker would get what was owed to him and the Black worker would, too, but the white worker would recognize that the $20 and $80 just made them equal, and was not the discrimination that the Federalist Society, working on behalf of the Thief, declared it to be. (And yes, we can make a similar argument around sex and gender discrimination, as well, with a similar mechanism)
Reparations for the descendants of slaves in this country will be the right thing to do.
We’re all slaves to the dollar. You’re a bot. All they want you for is what you’ll pay taxes on on with your “money” and it’s already worthless thanks to weaponized govmt.
Would be nice. If they have billions of dollars to send to other countries, they have enough to get to the people of America.
Yea in every it wise got reparations but black Americans
No it wouldn't. It would just go to White people with one Black descendant family who were slaves. We all need a Basic Income at this point.
(Andrew Johnson 17th President)gave the 40 acres to the southern rebels who seceded from the Union and fought a bloody civil war to keep slavery.
Wow my ears just popped! It's not often that you hear this type of honesty!
Adam, thank you very much for yet another interesting guest and outside of the box topic. I discovered your channel just a week ago, and I have to tell you that you are one of the best hosts I have ever seen. No one else is able to maintain such a balanced and respectful discussion with their guests. It is truly an art.
Very kind of you, thank you!
That's the kind of stuff that creates a sick society...
Friend bought her last home. The owner had the house I blve since it was built in the 50's or 60's. They didn't allow BP to move there. The homes then were < $10k. The owner had used the equity to pay for her kids college tuition. One reason she was selling is to pay off that loan and downsize. She still would make a small profit. But a lot of BP didn't have that opportunity. She bought the house for $85/$88k.
The way that being middle class works in this country - when it works - if you try to 'pull up the ladder after you get yours' the odds are you or your family is not going to stay middle class for much longer.
Reparations are the only way to fix this.
I'M NEAR 70 BLACK VET AND I WANT MY GOD DAMN FREE BIG HOUSE TO PASS ON TO MY FUCKIN CHILDREN...
Thank you for your service and I hope you do get something to help your grandchildren
This is the best conversation about racism ive watched
The truth shall make you free
The truth shall make you free. Anything set free can be trapped again. But there is a price for the truth on earth. It may cost you your life like Jesus. Chrit may cost you your CZcams Paige like Paul.
But all in all. Tell the truth
Amen !!!
I LOVE the fact that you are having this conversation. 💯👍🏾
I'm so glad this conversation is being had.... Too bad it took the Apocalypse to get it there😂
It's only when it affect others ,then we need to look at it...
😂😂😂 right. We've been saying it until exhaustion. The problem was thinking that it won't come back to affect everyone.
@@Auntkekebaby exactly that's why we don't need them in our group.
The woman who hired Tracie to show her children that “people” actually work as they are surrounded by poc working for them hurts. They don’t see us as people. It makes so much sense but it breaks my heart. I’m literally not a person…
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses...we need more workers that we can exploit. It's the backbone of our economy." (Abridged quote)
I can only speak as an Asian American. We've always been pit against each other. The model minority myth, the myth of animosity between the Black community and the Pan-Asian diaspora, hell, even treating all Asians as the same. There was a publication that came out in the 60s called "American Success: Japanese American Style", which paved the way for Asian Americans to become the model minority. And that pit everyone against each other, with White people looking at us and saying, "let them fight" while they reap the benefits of our labor and endeavors.
Unfortunately there is a sizeable component of our greater community who talks about assimilating into White society at any cost, even if that means perpetuating that model minority myth and throwing other non-white folks under the bus. Think things like gentrification and cultural commodification. It's a complicated affair, and I don't see this being fixed anytime soon, but maybe as White people get more conscious of their inherent privilege, they'll be more willing to listen to the plights of other communities.
By all metrics of privellege, Asian people are just as privelleged as white people, if not equally so. Least incarcerated, most income. Any disadvantage you could name that you have, white people could have it too.
If "assimilating into white culture" means not hating white people, respecting local culture and contributing to the local economy then I don't think that is wrong.
Dont get me wrong. I understand that most people of color arent really given much of a choice when it comes to how society treats them. That should be addressed, but i dont think the answer is "shame the minorities that are doing well"
As a white guy, this is a real part of my life. I got a pricey liberal arts degree up north, but I'm from the American south.
So when I see my friends back home, I find there's just so much about gentrification and the GI bill in particular that they simply aren't aware of.
@@madmintentertainment6268 That's absolutely not what they're saying
@@madmintentertainment6268 this is untrue. We Asians certainly don't face the level of discrimination that black people do, but we have never been treated as good as white people. How Asians perform in the stats has everything to do with which Asians the government has allowed to enter the US: mostly skilled workers after WW2. But once our families are in the States, we face obstacles in terms of career advancement (Bamboo Ceiling), sexism (hyper-sexualization of Asian women, de-sexualization/emasculation of Asian men), and racial stereotyping and negative portrayals in media (STEM nerds, anime culture, Kpop idols, kung-fu masters). During times of crisis (Pearl Harbor, Covid) or times of competition (building of the railroads, Cold War, economic rise of China), we are deemed untrustworthy and treated as liabilities, with our inhumane treatment under "security measures" often going ignored (e.g. internment camps, immigration and miscegenation bans, assaults on the elderly, etc.). Asians aren't a monolith (Asia is after all the largest and most populous continent on Earth), and we're composed of many groups. The income equality among Asians has more than doubled over the past 50 years, and some groups (Pakistani, Hmong, Cambodian, and Burmese communities) aren't "doing well" and have high rates of poverty. Most Asian-Americans do not benefit much from intergenerational wealth. Conservatives accuse us and our parents of making "anchor babies", who aren't "real Americans", and we are told more than any other demographic to "assimilate or go home". We are perceived as being perpetual foreigners whose languages and cultural traditions are only interesting and appreciated when white people travel to Asia and "discover" them for the first time (why did famous creators like Logan Paul and Johnny Somali make content focusing on directly mocking random, normal people in Japan?). Unrecognized, subconscious racial biases against us negatively affect us in ways that often go undocumented or ignored, particularly in terms of sex and dating, mental and medical health, and a general lack of empathy towards us for the challenges we face each day. We Asians are only "white" when we are treated as honorary whites, but we're certainly a great tool to use when you want to shame black people and other minorities for simply demanding social and economic equality.
I agree you aren't a model, you guys suck
You would like to think red lining is over but it’s taken anew face. Sure I can sue the landlord for not letting me rent, but that gets tiring. So we still get packed into one or two areas. I live in a place where they like to think there is no black part of town, because they make sure to sprinkle a few bold white people in with us. But ask anyone about the black part of town and there’s two places they point to. Mind you, they also sprinkle a few black people in the white areas. Mostly because those of us who are in a position to buy a house, can get into those areas. Not to omit the white home owners who have no problem renting to us. But I have made arrangements over the phone to see a house, and on arrival I was promptly told “I’m not going to waste your time, I’m not renting to you”. So whether it’s by the system or leftover conditions of the system, it’s still redlining.
The reason this important topic isn’t talked about is for one simple reason:
Equality feels like oppression to the privileged.
Don’t think you need to feel ashamed to be born white. That is not the intent of striving for equality. All we ask is you recognize your privilege and not to trample over efforts for others to be as equal. Raise up everyone and the country thrives.
Thank you for not being afraid to talk about this.
Equality is an abstraction of reality. I grew up from the ghetto as a white person. Being poor isn't monopolized by any race. Any race rather than economic based proposition ignores this.
If you try to define what/how to make people equal in depth you'll find a ton of issues. The fastest equality is to drop everyone to 0, which is why it's so strongly a component of Communist countries.
Equality and privilege isn't just about economic status. It's actually more about having equal access to opportunity.
If a white people in America is poor, there's something wrong with you...This system is set up for you in every way.
When you guys go petition for scholarships for impovrished white people, then I'll believe that you truly want equity wnd goodness for all.
"I guess I did receive money... it's so strange the way we think about money" because we have this toxic individualist culture that suggests receiving any monetary help, most especially from family, is something to be ashamed of. I know many people who will insist on financial struggle and literal starvation and wear it as a badge of honor (fueling delusions of grandeur) before asking family for a dime. it's nonsensical to me
I agree. the fact that you had a family to help you with money isn't anything to be ashamed about, I think the discussion is that its systemic that so many other PoC dont have that chance and why
Some people can’t ask their families for money, because they are poor too. Others of us wouldn’t ask our families for money, because they are toxic. I didn’t choose to be solely independent at age 17, it was thrust upon me…
@@down-to-earth-mystery-school absolutely. my comment was directed at those who can ask, but don't. but on the note of being too poor, another thing that bothers me is the weird complex people have about accepting money. for example when I try to pay for a meal for a friend who can barely make ends meet and they outright refuse, preferring to spend their last dollar on that meal, I assume for similar cultural reasons regarding individualism and bootstrap nonsense. maybe they think I'm taking pity, maybe they feel shame, idk, but really I'd much rather spend my money on friends and people rather than material possessions for myself. I did grow up in poverty but I was too young to remember how it feels to accept money from someone offering, so it's just weird to me.
@@jamalcalypseHe was talking about GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS to only wp. smh
It was Governor Ronald Reagan that brought us from free to tuition Colleges. Instituting paid tuition at University of California.
*Reagan*
His web connects all the shit in America i swear to god
While Reagan was a deplorable flaming bin of already digested dog food, it is important to remember that like Donald TChump he's just an easy to manipulate mask for people who engineer their political actions.
There will always be a narcissist TV personality to use, but there are real people who need to be focused on behind that mask. But it's probably a good way to end up "oops randomly developing a fast replicating cancer" for a reporter to look into that.
@@zacharybosley1935Gotta love the ppl who used to be on TV/Movies then become president eh
@@yeahitskimmel Meet ENRON and Mr Arnold...
College tuition was never free.
J.Courage, A BLACK MAN 👨🏿 HERE, and I LOVE THIS DISCUSSION! I often share with others that white people have been misinformed and negatively affected as well (although it isn’t as obvious to the naked eye 👁️). I think this insight is liberating in more ways than one and found it VERY valuable. THANK YOU for sharing this and let’s continue to be honest about the diagnosis while working towards the cure/healing! Blessings 👍🏿
My grandfather saw ACTION in World War II. He was discharged honorably in 1945 (at the end of the war). Racist America did not let him use the GI Bill (that he earned) to buy a house until 20 years later in 1965. And he had to petition over and over again. They did not let any Black Veterans use their GI bill in the 40s and 50s. That's crazy. Do you know how that affected his 5 children and his 13 grandchildren?
Great job in your book, tracie. Thank you for your contribution
This was a wonderful conversation.
Booker T. Washington said it best you can’t keep a man down without being down with him
WOW 😲😲😲😲., this was a great conversation. I am a black woman that is of a particular age and I have never heard a honest conversation about race between 2 white people. Then not just talking about it but being open and educated on the matter . Then discussing how they can contribute in fixing it as white people. This was the best podcast of the day for me. I will be sharing this with others. Once again WOW 😮😮😮😮😮
Great conversation! We need more people like you who stand up for the truth and what's right. Your courage is much appreciated, especially by this black woman.
Also in the late 1800s, all our cities , businesses and homes were taken . We actually were doing well until the “race riots “, or things like eminent domain were used to take resources. That’s a time period we don’t talk about in-depth
Yes. Not to mention the emergence of the sub prime financial industry.
Correct, but the theft your refering to continued into the the 20th century, there were many stable, prosperous black communities (see Thomas Sowell), until white terrorism which was State sponsored, destroyed them (Forsyth county, Georgia as an example), and lets not forget the Homestead Acts, and who was really behind the Civil Rights Movement, J. Edgar Hoover, etc., etc, etc.
I so appreciate the openness and honesty of both of you. It’s rare. That’s what it’s all about, having the discussion, not blaming anyone, just admitting the facts of what happened and hopefully coming up with solutions to the problems the inequalities created.
Wow everything you said is so spot on. I wish more white people like you had the courage to not only see this but to be brave enough to have a discussion about it like you are here in this video. Keep tellin the truth and I may have to subscribe.
Most white ppl are too busy living their own lives trying to survive
all you need to do to understand how we as a society got to this point is look at history and facts. Many aspiring black communities were destroyed eliminating the chance for generational wealth for many for example Greenwood, Tulsa, Oklahoma “Black Wall Street” (May 31 - June 1, 1921). There have been many laws passed to disenfranchise African Americans in the us. The GI bill created by the government to help soldiers(white) created ghettos and suburbs. These ghettos where then over policed due to the war on drugs (where cocaine was planted in communities by the CIA) prison like anything else is business, more prisoners = more money. This is where the no fathers joke stems from because for some reason crack(black form of cocaine) is worse than coke(white form of cocaine)? so blacks got more jail time. The jobs followed creating wealth gaps. School funding is based on property values. As a result many of schools become underfunded and staffed. These students also lack the means of proper mental, physical, and phycological help. Its hard to understand the importance of education when u are hungry, cant read because u dont have glasses, or have undiagnosed learning disabilities such as adhd or dyslexia. Those that do value education are often over looked because of where they came from. so a loop is created. There is a rare chance you escape the loop for most its sports or music. The music often talks about the lifestyle and struggles faced within the community. Many children look up to these people because similar circumstances. just like most of us dont aspire to be rappers because it seems out of the realm of reality, many of them dont aspire to be a lawyer or businessman, astro naught etc. As result of all this many resort to violence and crime. i skipped some parts but thats a light summary.every culture has its struggles. If we better tried to understand one another instead of pointing fingers and not doing our own research, maybe we could make some real change. if u got questions lmk
Thank you for breaking this down💙
Some of what you typed is ahistorical. When has the black community not been over-policed? During slavery? The black codes? Possibly during Jim Crow?
As for aspirational professions within the black community, the people who gave us the CRM, for ex. Julian Bond, voiced their concerns that our upper class was rapidly becoming one of entertainers, as too many college-educated black folk were either being shut out of the middle class or outright evicted. They said this in 1977 as I was preparing to head off to Northwestern.
Well said!!! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I'm a American just like whites American are called American.im not (African American) black is okay just like white is okay.
@@kennethwoods2071 I'm black too and i never liked that phrase either. I completely understand how important immigration is in our history and how important it is to acknowledge our cultural heritage but if you wanna put Africa first before being an American then idk go back to Africa. Originally not everyone was considered white for example white Italians and Jews were all seen as lower class and subject to living in ghettos and having gang cultures, long before it was seen as black culture. It wasn't until id say following ww2 if you had light enough skin everyone you were considered white and got a shot at free housing and education if you fought in the war. Id like to believe its possible to get rid of labels and just have everyone be American but its too ingrained and deep at this point but if we did it for the Italians, Jews, etc.. we can do it again.
After George Floyd was murdered I remember asking myself some of these hard questions. What breaks had o been given, what jobs, living situations, etc had I gotten because I won the birth lottery, even though I did not grow up in an affluent family. I know a lot of people who came from where I did have a difficult time asking those questions because it is built on the premise that we did not “pull ourselves up by our bootstraps” even though we work hard to get where we are. One has to face that this is not a meritocracy and we all don’t get rewarded evenly based on the output of our labor or effort.
After Saint George Floyd tried to rob a POC of another race and wouldn't leave even though the police was coming and is filmed resisting arrest Twice. The first time he is shown against a wall and drops his bag of fentanyl mixed with other drugs in his system(which is what actually killed him) then there is the video of the cops trying to talk this thug down in the cop car for 20 minutes. while he's talking the most insane crap. Than there is the resisting again.
Dude died by his own arrogant, Drug addicted Stupidity. Now whats your excuse.
Of course it’s not a pure meritocracy and no society ever will be. The world is shockingly unfair - it’s interesting how many people bring up race but an even more important factor is zip code .. zip code privilege is one If the best to have .. ultimately, sure there will always be people(of all races) that are much more privileged than you and many that are much less privileged .. I mean, do you honestly think you have more privilege than Obamas children or Lebron James kids? The thing is, you can dwell on privilege all you want - it isn’t going to change much if anything
@@brianmeen2158 we can ignore the problem or play what about isms all we want it won’t change anything.
@@brianmeen2158 second comment where you ignored the truth of what is being said.
@@brianmeen2158The poorest white person in America has more privileges and rights than the richest black person in America. Tell the whole story, Karen 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is very interesting to see white people talking about their own whiteness in such an open and honest way as a Black man.
This is what id personally like from white people. Have these conversations with eachother and try to unpack whatever sub conscious racism you may have.
Thats it.
YES AND AMEN!
Thank you for your grace-we don’t deserve it.
Rich people mistaking it on their race. Most of us don't have any of these advantages, it's certainly not based purely on race.
Some of them are cognizant and refuse to keep lying to themselves just to be accepted by their delusional community. They did the great work of self assessment.
It is race based. When our parents and grandparents didn't have basic human rights yours did. Your people did have the opproetunies and advantages while ours were denied. You have to take that up on your ancestors, why didn't they take advantage of everything handed to them and their privileges? I have millions of stories of mine being denied educations, loans, homes, land, jobs etc. because of their race, not because they were lazy.
Lord, I hope they don’t kill Tracy. She’s shining too many lights in dark places. The best show I’ve seen on CZcams ever in life.
I would like to see this talk expanded to the entire global system which benefitted european populations and their descendants over the rest of the world, skewing the traditional economy which did not place the older civilisations (asia, middle east, africa) behind europe.
We are only concerned with America. Stay on point. We have already looked out for others but got nothing in return. It's time to be selfish for a change.
He is right this is ground zero.
And this is why White people can’t cry about anything being Anti - White. It feels good to see white people have the knowledge, honesty and empathy to call out their privilege.
Thank you both.
I appreciate you two WHITE Human being telling the real truth and every human being knows this
Awesome awesomeness - Thank you both for not being afraid to bring this discussion out to the open.
It feels so good to hear white ppl waking up. The G doesn't want this to happen because once Black and White get together, the world will become a better place. I'm sub. And I'm buying her book because of this interview.
Here we go, I'm locked in
I appreciate Adam for standing for the truth! We need more good people like this!
Thank you adam for just telling the truth.
I didn't think white privilege was a thing until I paid attention. One day I was talking to a coworker about our favorite gas stations and we realized that he had to prepay there and I did not.
I had a coworker at my old job who would, every few months, message us he encountered "dwb" (driving while black) and would come in a bit late. In comparison, I was never pulled over by a cop on my way to work despite traveling the same route at the same time.
"Working Hard and having it pay off" THAT'S A BAR!!
Really great convo!!! Love this ....Thank You!!!
Good to hear some of my fellow white people speak the truth!.. as a black man I appreciate this conversation..💯
I don't know why Heather McGhee isn't referenced even though she wrote a book on the exact same topic and is the one who spread the analogy of the closing of public pools after segregation. I feel like proper credit isn't being given.
Heather McGee and The Sum of Us are in fact named in this interview.
@@dawnmwalton1774 I missed it, what time?
@@mjlegacki 13:39/13:40. Its a quick mention, but I was looking for it too. Heather McGee was the first person I thought of when she started talking.
You both are amazing for acknowledging this cultural phenomenon, studying it, and talking about it to spread awareness 💖
@49:55-51:27 a great underrated and less known point is made! 👏🏾
Shame on me, after Adam's intro I thought I wouldn't have much to learn on this topic. I was wrong, this was very interesting and lots of info I didn't have before. Thanks!
We bought our house in Frankfort, Kentucky in 2018. Our realtor told us there was a covenant on the deed to our house which they ignored. The house was built in 1961. We are the third homebuyers. She mentioned something about restrictions about race. I didn’t really understand at the time what she meant until I looked into it further. MLK marched on the state capitol here for many reasons.
Adam you & this young lady are really really having this conversation is like never been done this RAW before.
My father was never in my life and my mother died of breast cancer when i was 20 years old.
I was left with absolutely nothing. Being Black I just had to feel my way thru this and figure it out with everything working against me at the same time.
May you always find space to reconcile the intersections of fury, grief, confusion, strength, will, agility and preservance that are just of few of the aspects that make up your person.
May you know peace, lasting or fleeting, amidst all that has befallen upon you.
White ppl and other non Black people, couldn't survive a day or a few hours living in the Black experience. Their souls would crack.
Keep yourself up. For me it helps to find acceptance and non attachment to this material man made system we are living in.
Detaching from these ghouls. Whether you're materially excelling or struggling find a center that prioritizes YOU. Your nervous system deserves rest NOW.
@@Killahsoftly Thank you for your kind, touching and spiritually uplifting words.
I am actually at that place today on my life. I am older gentleman, I'm 57 years old today. Wise, intelligent, spiritually aware and God fearing. I couldn't have made it where I am if I didn't believe that God's hand over my life the entire time. I gained knowledge, wisdom and understanding. I lost alot along my journey but the Lord blessed me in my soujorn.
I am a husband, father and grandfather today. I lost everything and it taught me that life is truly about family. Any carnal desires of this world will never bring fulfillment of the mind, heart and spirit.
Family first family always...🙏
I can't believe I'm actually early to one of your videos. Usually CZcams just refuses to notify me and I end up finding out a week and a half later that you posted something. This has been a pleasant surprise
You gotta bookmark the subscriptions page instead of the home page so you're seeing your subscribed content up front instead of whenever YT feels like it.
It’s amazing to see Adam’s recognition of how deeply psychological and powerful racial resentment and anti-blackness is.
I like when she says she’s tired of trying to convince white ppl that there’s benefit from diversity to them instead of it being the right thing to do. When I worked at Facebook, I remember being at an “all hands” meeting where Mark encouraged diversity by saying it is proven to improve productivity.
It’s such a disingenuous argument. It’s part of the reason their excuse for DEI doesn’t work because white coworkers think their positioning was forced if they aren’t the magical productive hire they were expecting.
No the reason many don’t think DEI is working is because much of the data that has come out about it has shown that it has had numerous negative effects all the while not increasing the % of people of color in each position.. the flack about DEI is toxic enough to where Don Lemon is now calling it out!
Of course there are benefits to diversity but only as long as there are common values for the groups to adhere to. There are also
Negatives - overall trust goes down
Quite a bit when you have different groups living amongst each other.
Stumbled across this thread. Thank you both for your openness!
It's refreshing having *truth telling* , *say it like it's* conversations like this one . *Thank you guys* . We need such sincere exchange , education *for* healtier & happier society , humanity .
Adam , Tracie , Eliot ... and all others , YOU are like *lights* here and there in a dark time . Keep up good work making our world better place to live .☀️
Kinda had this. Though I'm Latino, I look white because of my Norwegian descended mom. Me looking white opens an embarrassing amount of doors, but my last name closes a lot as well. It's been an interesting experience. When co-workers find out my last name they seem to either get quiet like they feel guilty of something or get offended as if I tricked them (as if my skin color was controlled by a light switch and I didn't turn it off for them to make my last name make sense). I do hear a lot of "anti-Mexican" racist jokes aimed at darker skinned people as if I'm not one of them. I wonder if it's possible to simultaneously use my mom's maiden name as I would my dad's last name and see what more doors that would open?
Where are you working where you're hearing racist jokes from co-workers? That's crazy, what is this 1950?
Its funny people treat you different because of your last name when anyone who passed grade school knows that Spanish is in the romantic language family along with French.
@@PhilWithCoffee Let's just say I live in a state that wishes it was Texas. Lots of "unintentional" racism here.
@@kappadarwin9476 It's weird. Hindsight will tell me that being in this community from grade school on, I've had racist insults thrown at me when I wasn't paying attention and I'd be like "Ohhh... That's why they said that." Because it blind-sides me more than anything. I don't expect it because I was raised in a traditional American Caucasian upbringing so I'm more white trash than Hispanic, into video games, metal/hair bands, skater styles, MTV, etc. so when it came at me I'd be more confused in the moment and then on thinking about why they acted strange and what was happening at the time sometimes it clicked. Now that I'm grown up I notice it all the time. The silences, the random jokes at my last name's expense, over-hearing the indirectly racist jokes after someone (customers mostly, only a few coworkers) interacts with some of the more native Spanish speakers on staff. A surprising amount of racism coming from the broccoli haired male teens that come in. It's weird. You think this latest generation would not be like that and be more in-tune with things. Oh well. I do feel better and fit in better despite not looking Hispanic and not speaking Spanish (I'm really trying) when I visit relatives in NM.
But whites and Asians have to score much higher than blacks and browns on SAT tests to get into college
Good to see John Brown still has some descendants.
My daddy name was John Brown.
Amen !!!
Wow. I love this channel so much already & I haven’t even watched the full video yet. Just love facts & truth. It’s the BEST type of content. 😂🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤ THANK YOU! 🙏🏾