Canyon Lux Review | The Canyon Lux CF SL 8.0 Is A Near-Perfect XC Race Bike
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- Adorned with 29in wheels and 100mm of rear wheel travel, the Lux is Canyon's super light, full suspension XC speedster. Brand new for 2019, the latest generation Lux has been completely re-engineered with a newly augmented carbon fibre chassis that is more svelte and roomier thanks to a reworked suspension layout. Having integrated design elements found within the latest Strive, Spectral, Neuron models, the Lux is one lethal-looking race bike that, aside from the name, shares very little in common with the old model.
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Canyon Lux CF SL 8.0 Video Review
0:41 - Key model notes
1:02 - Frame construction & features
3:04 - 2020 Canyon Lux range overview
3:55 - Frame sizing & riding position
4:50 - Test bike setup notes
5:51 - Strengths
6:55 - Handling & geometry
7:52 - Weaknesses
10:08 - Component highlights & lowlights
11:40 - Fork offset discussion
13:10 - The competition
13:58 - Overall
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Love the fact this full suspension bike looks almost like a hardtail. The rear suspension is so close to the upper tube that it seems as if it was part of it. Not only that but it follows an almost straight line to the rear tubes. Awesome design.
What a fantastic review!
Well written and perfectly delivered.
And I'm so happy you offered comparisons to the competition whenever needed. For average blokes like me, that is the most important aspect. Saying "this bike pedals well" or "this bike handles well" is basically pointless without some sort of comparison to rival bikes.
Keep up the good work Flow!
Thanks for watching and for the feedback mate - glad you liked it! [Wil]
Yep, the comparisons are super-helpful.
Finnaly a review that doesn't recommend even wider bars, here in Belgium the trees are all in the same place as the days with 50cm handlebars, also fit should also matter when choosing handlebar width, again something everyone forgets!
About the bike, I have the last generation lux and I still love it, it's so light for a fully and it was so affordable (when I bought it), just upgraded the GX drivetrain to the GX Eagle. What I don't like about the Lux I have is that there is only space for 1 bottle, so very nice to see that they changed it!
I know the trails in Belgium. I even used to cut off 4 cm off my bars. And they were only about 50cm.
Being a guy of the... let's say, the fuller figure, this bike is not one I'd consider, but it does look really slick and well thought out. The rear QR is a great idea!
As always Will, the video was flawless. Anyone who has you in front of the camera is benefiting greatly. I really enjoy your presentation style and your information is always perfect.
Anyway, Happy New Year, and I have my fingers crossed that everyone is safe regarding the horrifying fires that Australia is suffering from at the moment. I wish you all well. Regards from the UK.
i own a canyon lux 2020 model, and i can tell you, its the best xc bike i have ever ridden. its fast and beautiful
Do you recommend it not only for races?
I want it for training only
@@mormonization i do. It will push your limits in training for sure. my times and my strength has been improving since i am riding this bike in training.
@@marcoscheider2272 Thanks for your reply. How do you compare it to other brands? mainly in terms of value for money
@@mormonization I can compare it to cannondale and trek bikes which i've been riding before. The quality of the Parts you get, and the frame is in comparison way better to these Brands, when it comes to prize value. I also found some very nice bikeshops where i can bring it for every Kind of service.
@@mormonization I can compare it to cannondale and trek bikes which i've been riding before. The quality of the Parts you get, and the frame is in comparison way better to these Brands, when it comes to prize value. I also found some very nice bikeshops where i can bring it for every Kind of service.
Nice to see they've kept it a pure XC bike, as it should be 🙂 .
Great video. I have my Lux 8.0 (2019) under the Christmas tree. I’m interested to see how I like the lock-out. Looks like Canyon made a fast bike!
Gorgeous bike. What a lively combination of colors to contrast that elegant black. Nice Canyon 👏
Well done. Best reviewer I have seen on u tube
This is a great review. Really well done.
Thanks Jay, glad you enjoyed it and appreciate the feedback! [Wil]
Your reviews are awesome! Triple.
Fabulous clear in depth reviews
Thanks for a very nice review! I especially appreciated the exact numbers of setting up the suspension! I'm pretty light at 62 kg and only need around 85 psi in the rear for 25% sag. It was very nice to get confirmation on this crazy low psi setting! I have the 2020 Lux SL 8.0.
I am undecided about the size of the Canyon LUX, I do not know if I choose an S or an M. Without shoes I am 1.72 cm and give me a size S. Do you have 1.75 cm barefoot or with shoes?
@@miguelbarros3677 i had the same doubt. im 1,72 and went for a medium. and fot perfect to me
Great stuff Will! Always the best reviews! I agree i have sid fork on my spark and with one added token its better.
Thanks for watching mate, and for the feedback! Agreed - I've had a few SID/Reba forks that have been under-Tokened from the factory, and adding one or two Tokens has made a world of difference. [Wil]
Excellent thank you. Look forward to the Oiz review/comparison.
Cheers for watching and for the feedback! [Wil]
Absolutely fantastic review ! Just wish I'd watched it before I purchased a Sc... Sp... RC, this looks far more agile and efficient. A true XC flyer :)
Update re comment..
Ok so I’ve sorted the Spark set up now and getting along much faster :)
Really loving it !!
Hi Will,
First of all thx for all the great Reviews in general!
I´m currently on the lookout for a replacement bike for my 'specialized Epic comp FSR 2012' (the alu frame)
I've been riding that bike for years, and i've been fairly happy with it in general. Recently though, i've begun experimenting more with the trailside of things, with smaller jumps, dropoffs and technical stuff. I like riding fast and get a good workout, but im just as much into having fun and riding agressive. And lately i've been feeling that im pushing the limits of my current bike. And in return i feel limited by it in certain situations.
The obvious choice would be going for the Lux CF 6.0 or the new Epic comp, which have a geometry i already know and familiar with. But I want a more confidence inspiring ride, where i can further develop my technique and look even more into jumping(Nothing big or DH stuff).
So i'm looking into the Canyon Neuron. Would it be a significant upgrade to my old bike in terms of confidence and handling and stability control, without compromising too much of the climbing ability? knowing it's not a full blown trailbike.
Keep up the good work I really enjoy your videos :)
Regards Rune
As always Will, excellent review,
Cheers Matt! Thanks for watching and for the comment mate, it's very much appreciated! [Wil]
Excellent review 👍👍👍
I have the 2016 model (simlar to 2018) and it is a great bike. You are right about the double lockout - never really worked from the start. I got rid of the fork and then the rear shock too as I felt I wasn't using it during races so why use it in training. I find the IPU a bit of a pain in terms of servicing the headset, it adds another layer of difficulty, could live with out that too. Need to take care of the suspension pivots too as they can creak when they dry out. They are relatively easy to pull apart though with some practice.
Absolutely amazing review. Covers every aspect!!
Cheers mate - glad you enjoyed the review! [Wil]
Best bike reveiw ever!
Great review - thank you!
Thanks for watching and for the feedback Michael, much appreciated! [Wil]
What a fantastic review thank you.
Cheers Michael!
Beautiful geometry
Can't wait for Orbea Oiz review :)
nice review. this is exactly what I was looking for. I am also looking at the new BMC fourstroke 01 which has a 67.5 head angle and uses one of the FOX 32 SC forks(perf or factory - depending on level of bike) Any thought on how that would effect the ride compared to this reviewed bike with the FOX SC 32 you reviewed at the end? I am also super interested in what you find out about the Trek. I haven't see a REAL review of it, just marketing BS. Thanks for all your time reviewing the bikes.
I agree with your opinion of Canyon sizing system. I am 172.7 and when ordering my 2018 Spectral some areas say 172=M and then when you plug in height and inseam it says S so I am glad I bought the M as I KNOW S would be too short and I would have had to pay shipping back to Canyon then again to reship me the right size, that's $200.00 USD IF they had a M in stock, that is a disadvantage of not sitting on a bike before buying or ordering other than that Canyon Spectral is a GREAT bike.
Great job!👍🏻
Thanks mate, and cheers for watching! [Wil]
Subbed. Considering a Canyon Lux vs a Mondraker F-Podium, interested if you can get the lowdown on the Mondraker. Edit: easily the best review I have seen on a bike in a while, especially the comparisons vs other frames and modified by changing equipment setups.
Please also test the Rose Thrill Hill!
Great job
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed! [Wil]
Fantastic review, although I wish you would have gone more into the frame details. The level of detailed design in the rear dropouts tells you a lot about how much thought and engineering went into a bike frame as it is the hardest area to design.
Nice review! Could you make a review of the Pirelli tires? I'm very interested in getting a combo of mixed and rear but there isn't much information of the performance. Thanks!!
Hullo there! Thanks for watching and for the feedback mate!
I've been riding the Pirelli Scorpion tyres for a couple of months now and have been really impressed. I've got a bit more testing to do, but will hopefully have a review coming to flowmountainbike.com in the near future - stay tuned! [Wil]
I still love my "old" Lux, but the new one definitly looks very tempting. I have allways struggled with the one bottle cage on the old one. For longer rides and marathons this hase allways been a trade-off. And after a few years trying I finally have the mechanic experience to have my bike practically silent without any creaks ;-)
www.amazon.com/Godyluck-Aluminum-Bicycle-Extender-Mountain/dp/B07ZCK3DWV/ref=sr_1_8?dchild=1&keywords=bottle+cage+double&qid=1587329106&sr=8-8
Best review of the LUX new modeI! I have LUX 7.0 model with Fox performance elite suspension, StepCast 34 110MM on the front, suspension work so well, long story short I could say for the bike that is almost super efficient trail bike. :)
Cheers mate - thanks for watching and for the feedback! [Wil]
Thanks for reviewing the lux you did a fantastic job covering all aspects and well explained. I am curious to know your sizing (inseam, height etc) as you went for a M. I just got mine and I chosen a S according to what canyon suggested, although I am also between sizing.. I see my bike actually feels a little short, but maybe this is the way such XC frames need to be driven (I mean quite aggressively).. I agree to what you mentioned, it is very efficient in the trails and in the harsh descending faster the better!!
it is a very nice bike, and I am very happy with Canyon and its fantastic customer service (writing from Italy). Thanks again for your reviews, SUBSCRIBED!! Ciao
At same height and weight as you Wil, have the same opinion about sizing with Canyon sizing!
When I have tried the S, in various models, feels small.
Great review! (as always!)
Cheers Jorge, appreciate your feedback on sizing - sounds like we're on the same page! [Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeCZcams Cheers to you Wil, it is awesome for me to draw similar conclusions to such a legit bike reviewer as you are!
best bike reviews :)
Cheers mate! [Wil]
Thanks for the video! How would this bike compare to the sc blur?
Great review. Thanks! One question about a rear shock. How does blockade work? When it is blocked you don't feel any deflection or you do? For example, Scott Spark RC has got 3 steps blocked and in 3rd grade there is no deflection at all. I know it's a little bit different bike for different money. I'm considering buying Canyon Lux 6.0 and I just want to know. Thank you in advance for your answer :)
Please test the KTM Scarp 2020
Fantastic review, thanks Will. I’m looking at the wmns CF7. At 168cm and 80cm inseam it puts me on a small. I’ve previously ridden a medium specialized era and I’d be tempted to go the medium lux. Thoughts?
Hey there Jules!
Good question on sizing - the WMN models use the same frame as the unisex models, so a Medium has exactly the same geometry and fit between the two. The only real difference is the ladies saddle and the slightly narrower bars (720mm vs 740mm). At your height of 168cm, it sounds like Canyon's recommendation for a Small is probably right. I stand at 175cm tall and tested the Medium size, and it was a good fit for me. You're quite a bit shorter than me, so while you could probably ride the Medium, I reckon you'd find the cockpit too stretched out. A Small will offer a more comfortable reach.
One thing to note on sizing with the old Specialized Era is that it had a unique frame with women's specific geometry, so the sizing was different compared to the unisex Epic. So a Medium Era may have been more like a Small in the Epic.
Hope that helps with your decision Jules, but just shout out if you've got any questions!
[Wil]
I don't like bicycles swinging all the time. Currently there's only one bike stiff enough. This is Epic with brain.
Great review. I have the 2020 Lux CF SLX 9.0 which has replaced my Specialized Epic, really happy with the Lux its just superb to ride 😊
Thanks Carl! Nice one - that SLX 9.0 looks like a lovely bike, and glad to hear you're enjoying mate! [Wil]
Just out of curiosity: What makes this bike better in comparison with the Specialized (and it's Bran system)? In your experience that is.
I've got the Epic 2017 version with only the rear brain damper and it's an really good bike in my opinion. But I'm always interested in brand competition.
Hi Carl, how would you compare the Lux to the Epic in terms of riding characteristics? I own a 2012 Epic (brain damper needs to be overhauled every year...) now deciding between either the Epic Evo and the Lux.
@@markvanderwardt3345 Hi Mark, I'm probably not a good enough rider to give you a definite answer, they both ride incredibly well. However in my personal opinion the Lux is just smoother and less clunky in my view. I had to have the Brain damper rebuilt twice in the 8 months I owned it which really put me off the bike.
I absolutely love the Lux and will probably buy again when the time comes. Hope this helps.
Make a review on CANYON LUX CF SLX 0.9 TEAM 2021
Great review, it looks like an absolute race weapon... I would prefer the Fox 34 / Shimano version over the SRAM stuff.
Thanks Tamas - cheers for watching! [Wil]
Sram is crappy. American engineers will never beat japanese engineers when it comes to mechanical + electronics + material engineering. Pure facts. True for automotive as for bike parts.
@@Matthieu260582 disagree. Only have to look at the jets and bombers that America produce. Best in the world comfortably. I've run most groupsets except Red eTap and with what's available currently give me Sram every day of the week. Not today shimano is crap but I just believe Sram is better.
Any thoughts on how good this bike would be as a tourer? For the most part I'd use it for
I'm deciding between this bike, Yeti SB100 or Santa Cruz Blur Trail (the later two comes with SRAM GX comps) Which one would you all recommend? HELP!!!!
Currently in the market for a new MTB (I still ride a 26er hard tail but I'm more a road bike guy), I'm looking for a full suspended bike now.
I don't race but I'm more into going uphill as fast as I can and go downhill carefully so that makes me a XC rider I guess. I'd love to have more comfort but perdormance is important, so would the Lux be a better choice over the Neuron ? Or is the Lux a really race oriented bike ?
Im planning to change my fork from rockshox sid to fox 32 stepcast. Is the rockshox oneloc remote compatible with 32SC?
13:10 - The competition -> Or how to murder this freaking scott-nino-scale-nino-spark-nino-scott bike. Was really good. 3 words likes three red hot bullets. All at closed range. Scoot got "neutralized".
Is the bicycle efficient pedaling? Can we put the twinlock or is it not necessary in fox?
Nice Review, well done!!! I'm between Lux CF SL 7.0 and Lux CF SLX 8.0, but regadinz size i'm 172 cm and 82 leglenght, would you go with M size too?
Mateu Castells
What size bike did you buy? Did you buy size S or size M? I also have 172 cm barefoot and I don't know what to choose.
What about cannondale scalpel?
Nice video just need an advice, I'm 188cm height , 89cm inseam and pretty long arms
Canyon advice me a L size but every other brand put me in XL
For me the reach in L size is not so long so i'm wondering which size to buy L or XL
Thanks for answer
Thanks for a great review, really helpful. When this model was released I was actually rather disappointed: €500 more expensive than the 2019 model, with the only real change being the Reynolds wheels which are even heavier and have smaller rims than the DT Swiss 1501 they replaced. After watching your review I really think the Lux 7 is a better deal: Fox suspension with the 44mm offset and 34mm stanchions, and only slightly heavier. Do you agree? Or maybe you prefer the Rockshox rear suspension or Sram brakes?
Glad you found the review helpful mate! In regards to the Lux CF SL 7.0, I reckon that looks like a cracking deal for the money given it comes specced with the superb Fox 34 SC fork, DT Swiss wheels and an XT 1x12 groupset. Personally, if it were my money, that's the model I'd be picking in the lineup for sure.
[Wil]
Rene818181
2020 models are more expensive because the 2019 models sold out too fast. Laws of supply and demand... if you sell out, you raise the price.
@@FlowMountainBikeCZcams I'm torn between the Lux CF SL 7.0 and the Giant Anthem Advanced Pro 29 1. Same Elite suspension and XT 1x12 drivetrain. Lux has alloy wheels and the Anthem Carbon. Lux has 2 water bottles (I don't like having to wear a backpack every time I want to go for a ride. What are your thoughts between the 2 models? Thanks
@@nickjohnston635 I've ordered last year the LUX 7.0 (haven't received it yet) due to the fact that for long rides and marathons 2 water bottles are a "must have". In other aspects the Giant is also a good one, but from my point of view only for shorter rides. Other option you should also consider is the Orbea Oiz.
I have a Lux 7 which I love, however I am considering doing the BC bike race but I have heard is quite nurley. What should I change on the bike to make it more capable? Any help much appreciated
Great review! Have just ordered this bike and the SM Pro saddle. Do the clamps on the dropper post fit the SM Pro or are different clamps required?
Glad you enjoyed the video mate! Good shout on the SM Pro saddle - it's a great perch for sure. And yes, the dropper post clamp will fit the SM Pro saddle, wince the metal rails are standardised in their size. Usually it's only carbon saddle rails you have to check for compatibility. Hope you enjoy the new bike! [Wil]
Flow Mountain Bike Thanks for the reply Wil, much appreciated! If I could ask one more question, was it just one 32mm bottomless token you installed? Never fiddled with forks before so a bit clueless :)
@@frogspotter7445 - Yep, there was 1 Token in the fork as stock, and I added a 2nd to give the fork more progression and let me run lower pressures. Definitely worth experimenting with! [Wil]
Hi Will, can you tell me when to expect the Supercaliber review? I'm gonna to choose between the Lux and the SC, you're feedback is more then welcome!
Hullo there Maarten! We're deep in testing the Supercaliber at the moment - I've made a few changes to our test bike to get a more well-rounded experience with it, and we're hoping to finalise the review in the next few weeks. Stay tuned for the website on that one mate! [Wil]
Mooie snor
Is 720 mm a narrow bar for XC? I don't think so.
Does a 210x50 SIDeluxe lead to the same 100mm travel like the original damper with 210x55?
Hi Wil. You are the best in business providing great details. I am 171 cm tall , 69 cm inseam. Which size would you recommend? Looks like , I am right in the middle of small and medium. Thanks heaps in advance for your response.
What a great review!
I am considering to buy the lux but I like the neuron as well. What are the big difference between the two bikes?
Cheers Patrick!
Big difference between the Lux and the Neuron, with the Neuron offering a much more upright and comfortable riding position. The suspension is also much more active, and more forgiving on rough terrain. You also get a plusher fork and heavier duty tyres, which will offer more traction on rockier trails.
In general, if you're looking to do any XC/marathon/multi-day stage racing, the Lux will be the faster and more efficient option.
If you're not interested in racing and you want a bike that inspires confidence and will allow you to ride more technical trails, the Neuron is the better option.
Hope that helps!
[Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeCZcams
That helps me a lot!
Of course Lux is the best cuz MVDP’s bike !!
Will you be doing a review on the 2020 torque??
We don't have any plans to Raph, but we'll be sure to let you know if that changes! [Wil]
Great review mate! Would you be able to tell me about the level down Lux? 7.0 Which comes with Fox forks and shock. Are they better or just a bit different from the Rock Shox? Also you mentioned the rake, its 44mm on the FOX With the 110mm travel. How is the ride different with those shocks?
Hey Gabriel, thanks for checking out the video! Personally, the Lux CF SL 7.0 is the model I would go for - the Fox 34 SC is a terrific fork, and it comes with the shorter 44mm offset (vs 51mm offset on the RockShox SID), which helps to calm down the steering a bit, something that the Lux does benefit from. Overall the 7.0 is heavier than the 8.0 we tested here, since it comes with a Shimano XT groupset and alloy DT Swiss wheels, but it's a great package for the money. [Wil]
Flow Mountain Bike thank you Wil
I Have a specialized sworks epic, just waiting for my new canyon Lux..I got my question marks over the brain suspension
And, did you had the time to compare both bikes? Because I'm curious about your findings.
I've got a Specialized Epic 2017 with just the rear brain damper and I'm pretty ok with the system, but if another brand (without brain) performs better, I'd definetly give it a try.
The brain fork when sprinting off at a start of a race has a mind of it’s own I found...
Hello and thank you for your super interesting test. I am french speaker and I probably did not understand everything. But I feel like you enjoyed everything about this bike except the front fork, correct? ... But as you know we do not know how to change this fork because the bike is delivered like this. Is this bike good as is? I am an "amateur" not professional and I generally ride on fairly flat portions with occasional steeper portions. I am 50 years old and I cycle twice a week with outings between 30 and 70 km. I have a 2016 Scott Spark 27.5 "which I'm happy with except for some downhills descents ... Is the Lux the right bike or do I need to steer on a Neuron anymore? The price is super good compared to the Spark ... Thank you and well done again. Ben
Hello Ben! Thanks for watching and for your question mate.
If you're coming off a Spark 27.5 and you're looking for something that's more comfortable on the descents, then I don't think the Lux will be the best option for you. The Lux is a pure XC race bike, so it places a much greater priority on efficiency, climbing and sharp handling. Comfort and descending control are less important here.
I think the Neuron may be a better option for you. It has more travel and the riding position is more upright, which makes it more comfortable on longer rides, and it is also more confident on the descents. It's still a very efficient bike to ride, and although it is heavier than the Lux, I think that if you are not racing, it's an excellent choice for longer distance riding.
Hope that helps mate!
[Wil]
Hello everyone. I have a decision to make, perhaps you could assist:
I need to choose one of these 2 options as my next MTB:
Option 1: used canyon lux (2016 model carbon fiber, sram xx1, 11x1) condition "ok".
Option 2: New Polygon T7.
Both options are at the same price.
The reason that I'm considering the polygon is that I am worried that the 6 year old xx1 might get too old, and to fix it would cost a fortune.
Can anyone please give me some tips what should I do?
I ride mostly XC.
I will appreciate your input very much!
Man you run the tires firm!
Lots of big, savage rocks around here! [Wil]
My 2019 SID could not be redeemed.
i would rather they spec it with a better SID ultimate fork without remote lockout
Hey, great review!
I'm struggling to decide between the neuron and the lux. After a 3 years stop, I want to get back on track again, and my last bike was a 2005 Scott Tampico hardtrail. I'm looking for a fitness/fun bike (does that exist?): something light enough tho handle long climbs and at the same time that don't compromise fun and confidence in descents.
can you help me?
Thanks
All bikes are fun :)
The Lux is very much a race focused xc bike.
The Neuron has more of an all day bike out on the trails. Burlier to help chew up some of the rockier stuff.
I personally i like a burlier bike.
But now i have an enduro... i miss my old xc bike. I took that thing down some crazy stuff and it survived :)
I think either way you'll be happy though! Those Canyons are great bikes!
natskis thank you
@@apxts get yourself a cheaper hardtail
natskis what bike do you think has the more comfortable position? Neuron or lux?
I am considering buying this Lux 8.0 but not sure if it's too uncomfortable since I am not a racer,... I may just participate non professionally in one or two races in the year...bur otherwise I will use it just for fun and exercising
How About a 55 OFFSET - LEFTY OCHO ???
100mm travel
I bought a LUX 8.0 2020 meter height barefoot without shoes 1.72cm and bought the size M, although on the Canyon website they advised the size S !!! Size M was the right choice, the cockpit is short so size M is ideal, I don't understand Canyon measurements !!
Been looking at getting a new mtb recently. I’ve narrowed it down to the LUX and the 2020 specialized epic. Just wondering which one you would recommend. Or just which on you would go with?
Hey there Steve! You mean the 2020 Epic, and not the redesigned 2021 Epic? Either way, both the Epic and Lux are terrific XC bikes, though there are some differences between the two. The Lux is less proprietary when it comes to suspension - it uses an off-the-shelf fork and shock, versus the Brain-damper used on the Epic. The Lux gives you a 2-position lockout that allows you to flick between open and closed when you desire. Even in the open position, it's still pretty firm and efficient, so I wouldn't exactly call it 'plush'. In comparison, the Epic uses the Brain damper to create an automatic lockout system without need for a remote at all. It gives you a really clean cockpit, and you don't have to think about the suspension, which is nice. The Brain damper can feel quite clunky though, and I've found it more fatiguing to ride on rougher trails, particularly when I get tired. It's an unapologetic race bike, so comfort isn't exactly its best attribute. As for handling, the Epic is steadier and more planted on the descents, as its geometry is more contemporary compared to the more traditional Lux. Along with the Brain damper in the fork, it holds a line through corners incredibly well. Hope that helps mate! [Wil]
Flow Mountain Bike. Yes very helpful. Thanks
Can you compare it with Cannondale Scalpel SI?
Hullo Victor! I haven't ridden the Scalpel myself, so I wouldn't be able to compare it to to the Canyon Lux. Sorry mate! [Wil]
Hey guys, am looking at one of these and am a little sceptical of the sizing.. they recommend an L but I ride an XL enduro bike (and am very comfortable on it). Has anyone got sizing recommendations??
ask em
Good review but for me was misleading the comment about sizing. I am almost in the edge between M and L being 1.82cm tall and even the brand suggested M I went for the L and resulted too big for me; now I am in the situation of returning the bike, figuring out what to do with the custom duties paid, etc., which is not easy in my country.
Hey there Juan! That's an interesting comment you make about sizing. Given you're quite a bit taller than me at 182cm (I stand at 175cm), I would find it difficult to recommend the Medium frame to you. I tested the Medium frame and found the effective reach to be on the shorter side, so it would feel very short and quite cramped for someone your height.
Have you found the reach on the Large to be too long? Or is it more to do with the height of the front end? Have you tried fitting a shorter stem to the bike or adjusting the handlebar height and saddle position?
At your height, the Large size frame should be spot-on. Perhaps with a few tweaks to the setup (stem length, bar height, saddle position) hopefully you can get it dialled in.
[Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeCZcams thanks for your reply..what I mean is that if you are in the edge of sizes M and L, it is advisable to follow the brand sizing recommendations, at least that would have been the case for me
Great Review!! I want to buy one these days and I would like you to give me a recommendation. I am between sizes medium and large. my measurements are 182 cm height and 87 cm approx inseam. What would you recommend me? Thank in advance and keep the good work! TY👍🏻
At your height, I'd definitely recommend going the Large. I stand at 175cm tall and I'm on the Medium frame. While it fits well, it isn't the longest bike. If you went for the Medium, you could find the cockpit very cramped, and likely too low at the front too. Hope that helps! [Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeCZcamsDefinitely Helps! Thank you for the quick response! 🙌🏼
Thanks for the advise I am 1,81 cm and 87cm inseam as well, so I believe with what you say that the large will fit me better
@@FlowMountainBikeCZcams Hi great vid men! Im 180cm and 81ish inseam , with. you recommend also a L or stick better to a M? Thanks in advance
@@davidsosa4830 - 100% go for the Large size. At your height, the Medium will be too short. [Wil]
soporific
and your inseam? I'm also in between the sizes getting the S recommandation form Canyon
My inseam is 81cm, and my BB-to-saddle height is around 70cm, depending on the shoes/pedals I'm using. Hope that helps! [Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeCZcams Yes, it helps [wil, hopefully :)) ], btw, one of the best review I've ever seen
Looking to buy that Canyon, other competitors are Scott Spark 910 and Trek Top Fuel 9.7.
Components are very good at this bike. Scott and Trek dont have this spec at this price.
Hullo there Jacek!
It's worth noting that both the Scott Spark 910 (120/120mm) and Trek Top Fuel 9.7 (120/115mm) are longer travel bikes than the Canyon Lux. In comparison, the Lux is more of a pure race bike, both in terms of its suspension and its geometry. In that regard, it's more comparable to the Scott Spark RC (100/100mm) and the Trek Supercaliber (100/60mm).
As for value, the Canyon Lux CF SL 8.0 is certainly a well-spec'd bike for the money, and that is largely due to Canyon being a direct-to-consumer brand. There are obviously pros and cons of buying through a local bike shop versus online, and ultimately it's up to you as to what works best. One thing to note about buying a Canyon is that if there's anything you don't like on the bike, such as the tyres, saddle, grips, handlebar or even the fork, you can't swap them at the point of purchase like you might be able to if you a bike from a shop. Otherwise, if it's exactly what you want, it's killer value for money.
[Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeCZcams I am considering Scott and Trek because of the that fork travel, love to ride local trails from time to time but I love to race. Did few marathons and xc courses which got me to racing. Very hard decision. That fork lockout on Canyon doesn't seem to be perfect as You mentioned. On Spark looks/works much better. Not an easy decision.
The more I look the more i am not 100% sure. So many good bikes at this price point. Thanks for reply :)
@@jacekzmija3123 - No worries mate! I think if you want an everyday trail bike that you can race on occasionally, the Trek or Scott would be a better option. However, if you're strictly going to race XC, then the Canyon Lux (or the Scott Spark RC or Trek Supercaliber) will be the better tool for the job. Hope that helps mate! [Wil]
Hey Will can the Lux take a 120mm fork? Lil’ help?
Hello there Stephan! Canyon only rates the Lux frame for use with up to a 110mm fork. [Wil]
Did you try it with 30% rear sag and how did it go? If not, why did you stick to 25% sag?
Hey there Ryan! Canyon recommends 20-25% sag for the rear suspension on the Lux. I did try 30% sag, but the seat angle slackens too much at that point. The suspension also wallows quite a lot, and you obviously get more bottoming too. You could add volume spacers to the shock to provide more bottom-out support if you really wanted to run 30% sag, but I think you'd be missing the point of the Lux - it is an XC race bike after all. One thing to note with the Flex Pivot suspension design, is that the carbon seatstays are designed to be in their 'relaxed' state around the 20-25% sag point. So the Lux tends to settle well at that setting. Hope that helps mate! [Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeCZcams Looks like I have my new set-up, great feedback and thanks. Threw an extra 15PSI in the rear (30% to 25% sag) and noticed quite a difference in better pedalling efficiency. However the chattery, pebbley, rocky fireroad descents weren't as smooth which was expected, I changed the rebound to 2 clicks from close which helped a little. I am a strong believer in the "every MTB should have a dropper" movement and I'm so stoked Canyon have spec'd one on such a race focused XC machine.
@@Crandang - Good stuff mate! Certainly the suspension is pretty firm on the Canyon Lux, particularly on the smaller bumps, but that's the tradeoff for the efficiency and mid/big-hit performance. I find it just encourages me to ride faster :-)
As for rebound damping on the shock, I set mine halfway - any slower and I found it could reduce the sensitivity of the rear travel, as the shock would bog down a little on the chattery stuff.
A big YES to the dropper - they are so good on an XC bike! Basically can't ride a mountain bike without one these days.
[Wil]
but...that Scott Spark looks SICK 13:28
Hello may I ask you.
I need to order
a Canyon lux cf 6.
I'm 170 cm tall and my inner leg is 75 cm.
what frame size should I go.
small or medium.
Thanks in advance
Hi there Gesmond!
I stand at 175cm tall, and found the Medium size to be a good fit. You're ou're a bit shorter than me though, so you may struggle to fit the Medium frame with your shorter legs, and you may find the reach to be too long.
I believe Canyon recommends a Small size for your height, so that might be the way to go. I would also recommend having a close look at the saddle height range and effective top tube measurements on the Canyon website, and comparing that to the bikes you've ridden previously.
Hope that helps!
[Wil]
Nino schurter rides and wins on 690mm width bars.. Let that sink in.
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who cares about him
Yeah what could you possibly learn fron an 8 time world champ
According to a german bike magazine the overall stiffness of the lux isnt that good. Your opinion?
Hi there!
Cheers for the feedback - I'd love to know if this was a comment made from riding the bike on the trail, or via stiffness testing in a lab. If you can point me in the direction of the review, that would be ace!
From riding the Lux, it's not something I had a problem with personally, though I'd say that it depends on what you're expecting of a sub-2kg full suspension bike. There's a bit of twang through the back end, which I think is to be expected given the very thin seatstays and Flex Pivot suspension design. Is that a bad thing? I don't think so - it actually gives the Lux chassis a little more compliance over really rocky rough terrain, rather than pinging you around all over the place. I never noticed it being detrimental to either power transfer (which is very good on the Lux) or handling, but perhaps a 100kg rider would have a different experience to us?
I also ride a Santa Cruz Blur, which has a heavier frame than the Lux, and is noticeably stiffer through its one-piece swingarm. The suspension on that bike is more active and plush however, which helps to keep the rear tyre to track the terrain. I wouldn't say one is necessarily better than the other, but it does highlight that it's possible to have a slightly more compliant frame and a firm suspension design (Lux) or a stiffer frame and a smoother suspension design (Blur).
[Wil]
Flow Mountain Bike thx for the reply. It was tested in a lab, but no details on how it affects riding...and the lux was still the best rated bike in the test (testbikes: Scott spark rc wc, sworks epic, cannondale scalpel, Focus O1E, thömus lightrider, trek top fuel)
No worries! Personally, I'm not a big fan of lab-testing frame stiffness. While I do find it interesting, and it does give you a number to talk about in an article, I feel that it simplifies the ride quality way too much. There are so many other factors at play.
Also, I think we're starting to see carbon bikes and wheels come out lately that are actually going the opposite way - to a less stiff design that is focussing more on compliance for comfort and control. Since stiffer isn't always better, those lab results aren't particularly useful on their own. [Wil]
Personally being a heavier rider, I prefer bikes with seat stays that have the brace just above the rear wheel . Like Treks, Scott, Specialised.,the new super calibre from trek doesn't have this. I will still give it a test ride but a wheel wobble test showed it was way more flexy than my 2019 top fuel. Gotta remember these bikes are built and designed around and for world cup racers that weigh usually no more than 80kgs tops..
most mtb freaks have no idea about physics and it is common to think that stiffness is a quality when it is only a property. You measure it and get a result. A number. If it is good or bad depends on the rider's weight, his abilities, his riding style, his mood, the weather, the tires, and much more. There is no good or bad stiffness. Entry level carbon bikes are often very stiff because they did not study the frame very much when engineering it (if ever they did). Very stiff bike are a nightmare to ride. They are maybe good if you are an elite track racer. Outside they are complete crap. Nicolas Vouilloz, back in the days, used to ride bikes (GT LTS!) with spokes (wheels) tension as low as possible. At the end of the run the wheel was not straight anymore and not stiff during the run either but.... it helped him to go faster because it would filter so much better "side impacts" and improve adherence when turning. Me I ride carbon bikes and it is good for road bike but on the mountain bike the share rebound is too high /brutal compared to aluminium frame. I prefer aluminium by a million miles for MTB. Carbon bikes are lighter it is good but they are so much more expensive, for what? Not much. Canyon should produce an aluminium version of the Lux and give it a very good configuration (like XT + All Mountain DT 1501 wheels). It would be a killer. But canyon stopped aluminium because.... they were too good compared to carbon. They had a road bike in aluminium and every tester said the bike is sick because it makes you wonder why people need carbon. I hope Canyon release a aluminium version of the Lux. it would kill the market. At least for me. But it will means less margin..... And less margin.... Often a no-go for any industry, as green as they say they are.
Is it mandatory to wear Lycra when you ride a XC bike?
Nope - you can wear whatever you like Symo S! [Wil]
Its more comfortable, and for some reason the pros use lycra.
no but it is so much better. many riders have only shorts but they are not really pedaling. that's the truth. Asking if lycras are better for xc biking is like asking if lycras are better for road racing.
Neuron Vs Lux please. I am in doubt between the two.
Hey there Bas! Between those two bikes, it really comes down to whether you want an XC bike (Lux) or a trail bike (Neuron).
The Lux is quite a bit sharper, more efficient and it's also quite a bit lighter than the Neuron, making it a whippier and more precise-handling race bike. The components reflect this - you get lighter and faster-rolling tyres, narrower handlebars and a longer stem, which mean the riding position is quite low and stretched out. Great for racing, but less comfortable on longer rides and less confidence-inspiring on steep descents.
In comparison, the riding position on the Neuron is more upright and comfortable, and the suspension is plusher and more effective on rough terrain. If you're not racing, and you want a versatile bike for riding a mixture of trails, the Neuron would be the way to go for sure.
Hope that helps!
[Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeCZcams Awesome reply. I live in the Netherlands and coming of a hard racing hardtail any suspension would already be an upgrade :-) Terrain is flowy, no real hard descents and climbs last no longer then 15-20 minutes. But your comfort remark is tempting for a 40+ year old ;-) Thanks for the reply.
I am undecided about the size of the Canyon LUX, I do not know if I choose an S or an M. Without shoes I am 1.72 cm and give me a size S. Do you have 1.75 cm barefoot or with shoes?
Yeah you're right on the borderline Miguel. I stand at 175cm barefoot, and my BB-to-saddle height is 70cm. My gut feeling is that a M size will fit you better though, because the S is quite a bit shorter in the cockpit. It might be a good idea to look at the effective top tube measurements of the S and M sizes in the Lux, and compare them to the bikes you've ridden before - that will help you to work out which is going to offer a similar fit. Hope that helps! [Wil]
Pinkbike test: it's slowest bike in the top-market
How would you compare it to the Blur ?
Hi there mate!
Good question - both the Blur and the Lux are XC-focussed race bikes with 100mm rear travel, 29in wheels, and the option of a 100mm or 110mm travel fork. However, their performance and character on the trail is quite different.
Geometry wise, there are a few notable differences. For a Medium size, the Blur is a touch longer in its reach (440 vs 435mm), and it's also slacker in the head angle (69 vs 70-degrees). The Blur is 10mm longer in the wheelbase (1136 vs 1126mm), though it's marginally shorter in the chainstay length (432 vs 435mm) and slightly lower in the BB too (42 vs 38mm offset). In summary, the Blur is a little longer and slacker, and the complete bikes also come fitted with shorter stems and wider bars (750x70mm) compared to the Lux (720x80mm).
The suspension performance is pretty different between the two bikes, with the Lux being quite a bit firmer and more naturally efficient. It isn't that the VPP is inefficient, it's just more active and willing to absorb square-edge impacts, even the smaller rubble. The Lux feels more responsive with more instantaneous power transfer, even with the suspension unlocked. Both the Blur and Lux come with a remote lockout as standard though, so you've got the option to firm up the platform quickly as needed.
All that adds up to the Lux feeling firmer, sharper and more business-like in its ride quality. It's agile, direct and powerful - particularly up the climbs. In comparison, the Blur is more fun to ride overall - the back end consistently surprises me with how effective it is on the fast and rough stuff. It's still a sharp-angled XC bike, but it's more planted than the Lux and it just feels more up for it at higher speeds.
Hope that helps mate, though just shout out if you've got any other questions for us mate!
[Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeCZcams thanks! I own a Blur and was just curious to know how other bikes compare in feel. The Scott RC is the next bike I am curious to know the difference. Your insight was exactly what I was looking for. Thanks again and great reviews !
@@SuperCaryG - My pleasure mate, glad we could help out! [Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeCZcams I read the question of Cary Glazier and found your answer very interesting. Thanks!
Can the Lux become more "planted" with a Fox fork and maybe with an appropriate tuning? It depends to the rake (44vs51) or just the steering tube angle?
If you have to choose just one for marathon races (40/50km with 1800-2500dsl+), what would it be? Thanks so much!!
Carlo from Italy
@@carlomastropasqua4402 Hello Carlo from Italy!
Yes - the Lux is definitely more planted with the Fox fork and the shorter 44mm offset. It helps to slow down the steering a touch, giving more stability on the descents, especially at high speed.
Personally, I would recommend looking at the Lux CF SL models if you are focussing more on marathon races in big mountains. The SL models come with the longer 110mm fork, which gives you a little more comfort and a little more control when you get tired on a longer ride/race. I would specifically recommend the Lux CF SL 7.0 model, which comes with the 110mm travel Fox 34 Step-Cast fork with the 44mm offset. It is a little bit heavier, but not much, and I think that 34 SC fork is a big performance boost.
Hope that helps Carlo!
[Wil]
My friend put this bike together for his son and before I knew it he was done czcams.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L When the son came to put it together he was surprised to see it was already done. All he had to do was take the bike to get air and be on his way. My friend did not have any major problems putting this bike together; small issue was putting one of the brakes on straight; however when the son got home he was able to fix it. The bike rides well gears move correctly; good bike for the price. Wrote review after the son took the bike. Sorry.
Is this considered a XC bike or something else?
Ein bißchen vom Trek Supercaliber abgeschaut?
Just English please
@@rvh1702 Das bestimmst Du doch nicht!
@@matzilein8449 jawohl mein herr
AFAIK, Spez dropped all proprietary rear suspension parts for 2020 epic and stumpy. Of course, they still use the brain but they’ve abandoned proprietary yokes etc.
The latest Stumpy, Levo, Enduro and Kenevo have all moved to a regular metric shock size, but Specialized still uses a proprietary rear shock for the current Epic FSR.
I believe BikeYoke makes an aftermarket link for the current Epic so you can get rid of the Brain completely, but apparently only the X-Fusion Microlite rear shock will fit, since clearance is so tight on that frame.
[Wil]
Second...
Consider your international audience ... Euro please ;-)