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Mig Welding Vs. Tig Welding. Which Is Best For Welding Thin Sheetmetal On Your Project Car?
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2022
- I get asked a lot of questions about Mig welding and Tig welding and so I decided to make a comparison video showing the pros and cons of both welding methods. This video is aimed towards the average hobbyist working in their garage. Tig welding is the preferred method in any professional restoration or hot rod shop, but do you really need one to restore a car in your garage, or can you get by with just a Mig?
#restoration #classiccars #rust #classictrucks
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If you would just do the random tacks with TIG that you say you hate, the panel would not warp. You caused the warping and shrinking with your own ignorance. MIG does not run cooler and you have no control of the heat. TIG is far superior with thin sheet. Thats just fact.
Why did you delete your last comment where you called me a muppet? I once again invite you to make and upload a video showing us how your way is better and faster. What are you afraid of? Making multiple comments calling me names and then deleting them contributes nothing.
@@CarterAutoRestyling wow, infighting. He called you a muppet? Lol, let me at em. Yeah make a video mr im better than you.
Now boys please refrain from testosterone overdosing.
@@ohcrapwhatsnext so much school yard drama! It's like reliving the 3 years I spent in grade 7 all over again!
Tig puts more heat into the surrounding sheet metal. That’s just fact. Mr Meyers please put up a video on your channel I’d love to see an example of your work.
I run a Hobart Handler 190 and its good for body work and general repairs, it has a good range for most stuff in my fleet. I buy up our old shop trucks and fix them up (Im too cheap or sensible to buy a new truck) I get 3 or 4 years out of them for a couple grand and always have another one in queue. my MIG is one of my most valued tools.
BTW, I learned to do body work from channels like You, Scott (CWM) and Fitzees. Most of my favorite channels are Canadian....it just worked out that way.
Thanks very much for watching! I completely understand not wanting to buy a new truck!
Rideswift, Check out Make it Kustom. Also from Canada. Very talented and informative guy. Cheers
With pyrotechnics like that who needs useful, entertaining or helpful content! 😄
Exactly, it's all a distraction from the stuff no one cares about
Excellent teaching content. The side-by-side demonstration was the ideal method to get this information across. Bravo!
Thank you! It took me a while to put the whole side by side demonstration together, so I'm glad you found it helpful!
I like your practical explanation of the different welds. I have a MIG and a TIG and suck equally on both of them so I can't say which one I like the most. I've been doing a lot of 6061 lately and I find the key is to sharpen about 30 Tungsten's before I start. Thank you for your time.
Haha I've ruined a lot of tungsten's so I feel your pain!
This is why I'm reluctant to pick up a TIG welder.
I feel like it will be similar to my experience between being a mediocre guitar player and picking up a banjo in the hopes of becoming a mediocre banjo player.
Not so, I suck at banjo.
Excellent,, your helping more people than you'll ever know, even those that have been welding for years. Cheers.
Thanks, I do hope that some find this helpful!
@@CarterAutoRestyling if not helpfull very entertaining big thanks for taking time to make the videos
I had to come back and watch this video again. Now that the weather is getting better in AB it's time to attempt some floor pan repairs on my 53 Packard. You're such a good teacher......... and mildly entertaining as well. 😂
Love the TV stand TIG cart
Haha it gets the job done, but I do need to upgrade it before it completely falls apart
Dude I just left a question on last video....ive been looking for new video today to watch ...thanks man
Great video Kyle very educational...
I'm old enough to remember welding body metal with a oxy-acetylene torch set. The weld produced by oxy is comparable to the TIG. The main problem I always had was the torch tip had a tendency to pop every once in a while causing me to stop and let the metal cool down before continuing. It produced a very malleable bead but the warpage was considerable needing a lot of dollying after.
I know of a few people who still prefer Oxy-acetylene because the weld is so malleable, but I'll stick with tig for now.
you are quite the artist!
Perfect explanation of where and why each unit excels in what it does. I do wish I could use both - I had a heck of a time trying to get the MIG to do anything for me, so I tried a TIG. Not only do my welds look better, but the noise factor is minimal and it becomes a relaxing pastime, rather than a "project" or "job to do".
The way a TIG works reminds me a lot of the old oxy/acetylene days - get a weld pool started and move along adding your filler wire as you go. Obviously there are differences in the method, but the principle is the same. Sure, there are times where the TIG is a right royal pain to use (the inside of a wheel well as you said, firewalls and enclosed pillars are other instances), but for the most part, I'm happy with what the TIG can do...and the less grinding, the better as far as I am concerned!
One day I will play with the MIG some more, but I guess it's down to whatever makes you happy. I like the versatility of the MIG and where it can go, but I had such a hard time getting the hang of single-hand welding after having played with gas welding in my teens. The TIG just seem to feel more natural to hand.
Great vid Kyle. You were very thorough - and practical demonstration is always better when it comes to tools of trade, I find. Great stuff. Thanks and all the best.
Thanks Lance! I have heard that those with Oxy-acetylene experience take to Tig welding much easier. The lack of sparks and ugly welds to grind is a definitely a huge bonus
Here are some things I noticed that were wrong.
1. No guard on your angle grinder
2. Spool of mig wire on your bench didn't unwind everywhere
3. Cutting down your roloc discs
4. Using an electric sander (forbidden in auto body work)
5. Fingernails that go down past the first knuckle
I'm just jerking your chain. Thanks for the video.
Edit- I posted this before the video ended. You said the tungsten doesn't ever touch the body panel. That's a damn lie! Mine touches down all the time ; )
Haha thanks for the observations! My tungsten touches all the time too, but I edit that part out, so technically it never happened!
Great video! I am equally unskilled at both mig and tig welding 😀
Your demonstration and ability really help others. Thank You! 👍
Thanks! I hope this does help some people!
Well I must say! I’ve only just come across you today and very pleased to, you’ve said/ gone into more details than I’ve come across before and learn a lot, manny thanks 😊
Reminds me of a song from the 50s
“Three tack method is the one to use.”
I’ve waited three days to come up with a snarky comment but ,sadly, keep coming up empty.
Stuffing an airplane engine in a 54 bel air 2-door has left me a bit fragile..
My Bangladeshi contacts have assured me your sound editor is being well treated.
He’s gained weight and is learning the language.
They think he wants to stay!
I’ve fought with all kinds of welders for over 40 years.
Now I just glue everything together with a mixture of honey, whole wheat flour and brown sugar.
Clean up is sweet!
Thanks Kyle, I enjoyed this one.
Cheers, Joe in Montreal
Hi Joe, thanks for checking with your contacts about my sound editor, not that I care or anything haha. Good tips with the glue too, welding gas has gotten pricey so I'm always looking for ways to cut costs
when you here grinding the panel with the grinder I got to close and foregut to put on my safety squints ,so I had quit watching and get medical aid to remove a grinding debrae from my eye .All is good I,ll be more careful next time .Very good tutorial very good explanation on the different aspects of the the two types of body panel welding thanks Cheers
Sorry about that, next time I'll try to absorb all the sparks with my eyes
Great explanation Kyle, that's just what I needed to differentiate between tig and mig. I'm always learning from your channel, so keep up the good work and videos my friend!
Glad it helped out Ken!
I thought this was going to be the perfect video for me and my new Bridge and Helicopter building business until i got to 14:05 :(
Sorry for the let down! Good luck on your helicopter and bridge building ventures
Yet another well done video! And for what it's worth... I had one of those customer service folks on the phone, didn't seem like English was his first language, if you know what I mean. Anyways, I figured since I had him on the line, I just asked him. "You happen to know anything about Kyle's music director bein' held against his will over there?" He claimed complete ignorance, mumbled something that sounded as if he was speaking in tongues. I'll keep trying to find those bastages, just wanted you to know I'm still on the case.
Lol...
Hahaha that was fantastic! There will be an update on our music director coming soon!
@@CarterAutoRestyling A Hostage video ?
Nice job explaining, Wish someone had done one of these or at least I found a video like this before I started . Thanks
Thanks, I've been avoiding making this video for a while due to all the armchair experts on CZcams, but hopefully it helps out at least a couple people
@@CarterAutoRestyling I always find it amazing how easy people type away criticism. While they are the least lively to put themselves out there and make a video.
Very entertaining AND informative videos you make Kyle. Along with Derek from Vice Grip Garage, and Sarah from Sarah N Tune you 3 are the most fun to watch. Skillful ability matched with great humour makes for very entertaining car stuff. Glad I found your channel.
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoy watching the show!
Good video Kyle. Two exact panels each repaired with different types of welders. I have a mig and always spot and cool with air. I'm going to try the stich and cool down method. Thanks.
Thanks Randy! When I have some free time I would like to do a comparison of the quench method vs. Letting the weld cool naturally
I think I’ll stick with my MIG. Did some tonight patching a trunk - if you ever see that job you would decry it’s inadequacy but there are no holes where the patches now are so , win.
Thanks for another video- I didn’t fall asleep this time
If my videos aren't putting people to sleep then I'm doing something wrong haha
Sweet into! And as always, excellent content 😎
Mind blowing special effects. This is great info Kyle. I plan on getting a tig for years now. Yes welders seem like a good option. Up to now I was looking at the Lincoln square wave. Thanks, very helpful.
Thanks Randy, I have heard good reviews on the Yes welders, but don't want to endorse something I haven't tried
Excellent explanation of not only the pros and cons, but the best use cases of each method.
Now this is my kind of video.....kept my interest through the whole thing.....very informative....keep em commin.....
Thanks for sticking it out though the whole video Joe!
*Very interesting comparison, thanks, also useful to see how the mig welds look straight after being put down and before grinding back, I feel better about my feeble attempts now :)*
Thank you! Glad the video made you feel better!
I’ll need to watch this one a few times and then try to mimic your results. Unlikely I will get close but I’ll be the only critic. 😎
Haha must be nice not having a couple thousand people critiquing your work!
Thanks for another great vid Kyle
Thanks for watching!
excellent as always,wished there was something around like this and explained so simply when i first started out.
cheers joe
Thanks Joe!
No eyebrows we’re harmed in the making of this video 🤩 👍🏴
Safety third!
Excellent job. It's great to see what works for others so I can then workout my way. Maybe anyone with negative comments should spend their time making movie and showing me just how right they are....
Really appreciate your work.
Thanks
Thanks Bob!
Thanks for sharing Kyle,, 👍🌟👍
Nicely done video!
I sure wish I could TIG that good! Nice video✌
Thank you!
Totally appreciated this video Kyle. You explained the pros an cons of both types of welding perfectly to me. I'm really diggin every video I've checked out so far. I plan on slowly but surely watching everyone of your videos. An will comment as I see fit. As well as looking forward to any new videos you post. Thank you for sharing! Keep On Keeping On Brother!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks very much for watching all this stuff! I'm always happy to hear from anyone who finds it slightly useful!
Thanks for posting another great how ro with great demonstration's. About 40 years ago I was shortening a triumph motorcycle mudguard at a place I worked . I had it tacked together and was about to start oxy welding it together when the older welder who worked with me offered to mig weld it
And ,he just Welded from one side to the other in a matter of seconds about 6 inches of weld no distortion and about the same cleanup as the tig weld you just showed . I have never seen anyone else do it that way I wonder if you have.
Yes I have, it really depends on the shape of the panel. You can get away with it on panels with a lot of curves and shapes because they hold their strength better. Try doing that on a flat roof skin and it's a totally different story.
Excellent video. If you need a TIG filler rod of larger diameter than the MIG wire itself, take a length of MIG wire and place the 2 ends in a vise next to each other.and tighten. Using a drill, either use a screw in hook or a small diameter rod bent into a hook shape and place the loop end of the mig wire in the hook. Turn on the drill and pull so the wire twists together. The longer you twist, the firmer the rod and it will contain more metal per inch than a loosely twisted wire. Hope this helps someone. I got this suggestion from watching Jody on Welding Tips and Tricks.
Great tip, thank you!
Thank you didn't know tig was hotter using mig love your work keep video's coming
Fab video. Always hard to convince folk of the advantages of Tig and you show and explain it spot on. 👍
Thanks!
Thanks Kyle !!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for taking the time and trouble to do this video.
Awesome explanation and common sense approach. Thanks
Thanks Jason!
Great video Kyle! As always, your videos are an excellent resource. Thanks
Thanks Ronald!
Nice to see the fire budget was increased. Living in the New Mexico dessert I do not deal with much rust. But you Canadians sure have it all worked out. I'll have to get me one of those Canadian cars and see what all the fun is about NOT!!! But, it's good seeing you bring back these old cars with your skills. Thanks for the video and great explanation.
Haha yeah you're not missing out on much!
You are a great teacher. I have a Hobart 140. Great machine. I also have an Eastwood 180 Tig. I am much better with the Mig, but I use it more. I love how nice your welds come out. Thanks for the lesson
Thanks for watching! Hobart makes a great welder!
Thanks Kyle good information.
Thanks for watching!
Miller Multi matic 220 seems to work great for me Mig Tig and Stick AC/DC
Awesome video. Thanks. Been mig welding for 40 plus years, to old to change now. Good tips on mig for sheet metal, I welded pipe. The numbers like 6 is how much silicone is in the wire.
Thanks Stanley!
Thank you very much for this. Your explanations and demonstration was thorough and easy to understand.
Thanks Richard!
Another informative video ty for taking time to explain the whys and why nots. I keep forgetting to mention I never knew the word planish was what I was doing after "gently" beating a panel flat after oxy acetylene repair. Yes back in the day that was all I had so I see both mig & tig as far superior to oxy acetylene yet tig reminds me of doing repairs with oxy acetylene because of the warpage.
I started my trade building Buses, nearly 12 months of Pop Riveting before i got to touch anything else..
Some of the old time craftsmen and hardcore metalshapers still swear by oxy-acetylene welding. I can see their reasoning for it, but I'll stick with tig for now
I've always air quenched my MIG welds on panels. Never on any structural parts though
Excellent video as always
Thanks!
Informative video. No doubt, you’ve demonstrated that MIG is the better option for general vehicle repair.
Thanks, they both have there merits, but mig is the best entry level welder for the average hobbyist
Great demonstration
Thanks for your opinion.
Thanks for watching!
I do all three types of welding, stick, tig, mig, none of them well. I stick to mig when I do rust repairs on my cars as it's faster and easier for me than trying to tig it. I also don't have a good place to work on cars so I have to restrict myself tro summertime and lie in the gravel. It sure is easier to just hold a mig torch when welding a new rocker panel lying on your back. I have wondered if tig brazing could have it's purpose in some situations though. That's the new hotness with mig, mig brazing.
Yeah theres no way I'd want to lay under a car with a tig haha. Silicone bronze welding is for non structural repairs or lap joints. It has almost no tensile strength on a butt welded seam
I also have the Hobart 140. I agree it's a good affordable hobbyist welder. You sure had the heat cranked right up on the Hobart considering you are welding 18-20 ga sheet metal. I am surprised you weren't burning holes? The chart on the inside of the door doesn't even come close to your settings. I like it. I am going to try it!!! great video!!! thanks!!!
I'm also using 110v power supply instead of 120 so I have to crank it up more to compensate, but even then I've always found the recommended settings to be useless
Kyle, 10k sub special, buy that maple leaf.
Maybe if youtube sends me 10k in cash for reaching 10k haha
Great video Kyle I enjoyed it. I only have a mig here, and I would just add to people try to buy the best quality welder you can, and like you say don't just jump in, think about how your going to do the job first. Great tutorial. Thanks.
That's very true. It's hard to go wrong investing in a good welder
Thanks so much for this Kyle, it's just the video I was hoping you'd make. Cheers!
Glad you found it useful, thanks!
I've always wanted to try a tig but didn't know if I would be satisfied with it, I've had good luck with my mig and would rather spend my tool money on other useful things like my new plasma cutter and project to use them on,, lol, great info Kyle and thanks for your expertise.
Thanks Jeff! I never got into using plasma cutters, but we all have our preferred tools of choice!
@@CarterAutoRestyling it's like having a lifetime supply of death wheels without the danger of real death,, lol
And it cuts faster without all the dust
@@geoffreymills9932 I prefer to live dangerously haha
@@CarterAutoRestyling I guess I can't say much when I buy them 50 at a time,,, lol, but the plasma is better for curves, you don't get those marks on your arm and face 😉 😜
This is extremely useful information. Thank you for taking the time to explain it.
Thanks for taking the time to watch!
Great demonstration and comparison. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Good info, thanks👍👍👍
Good Demo, i think for the Home Garage a Mig is a good utility Machine, but in the Coach & Motor Body Industry, give me a Tig and a Spot Welder for Sheet Metal.
Absolutely, I was trying to aim this video towards people working in their home shop. Tig is a necessity for any kind of higher end work.
Thanks for the info, as I have been watching your channel. The tig welder lays a nice welding bead, sounds like a mig welder would be a good all round weld. Thanks again for clear my thoughts with this video
Thanks Lester!
Great video. Come for the content, stay for the cats.
I share your work with the many amateur and beginner welders I encounter... Not that I am an expert in any way- I have yet to find the setting on my machine that teleports me in a pillar of flame
Thanks for watching and sharing this stuff!
Hi thanks for your help
Coming from an old man that learned the hard way cover that skin Bro. Cancer is no fun and it shuts your world down quick. Loved the video.
Different people weld different ways. I TIG weld panels like you stitch welded. Keep the heat effected zone very small. With my Fronious, I pulse weld & adjust heat & wave to fit the panel. I can keep my heat zone like your MIG, but with perfect penetration & great finish. Not better, just different if you've been taught how.
I would like to see how a gas weld comparison sometime I have a gas welder thinking about using it on my 39 Chevy fenders
See I would do exactly what you do. Trouble is after I’ve inflated it my dolly (Sheila) looks nothing like the one you use.
Ha!
Good video. The topic and the discussion was excellent. Not that I'm one of those experts. I'm not. I am getting worried about you though. There is a progression happening. In this video, there are no holes in you cloths. Not yet, anyway. Some of those sparks from grinding the mig welds may have made a start on that. But back to the progression. In a year or two, I think we will be seeing you with proper welding apparel and clean work cloths. Clean bench. Things put away. Then four years on you will get a new shop with overhead camera shots and motorized camera mounts. Don't get me wrong, you are entitled to every penny you earn from CZcams. I just don't want your character to change too much.
I'll be watching as long as you keep it going.
I hope that progression never happens!
Your intro leads to a fascinating question: what would happen if you mig and tigged the same weld joint at the same time? I think there is nobody on the planet more qualified to investigate than you!
Sounds like a great way to waste an afternoon!
@@CarterAutoRestyling either that or watch youtube videos
Hi Kyle,
Fire, special effects, education AND cats!
Wow.... impressive!.
Thanks for the explanations.
Joe
All the ingredients for a useless video!
Wrong. Not useless at all!
Just the intro alone was worth the price of admission.
Oh. I didn't pay.
I need to change that. Somehow we should talk, at some point... somehow.
@@Joe.Doucette Well just watching and commenting on all the videos is basically the equivalent of paying me. If my core audience doesn't watch or interact with the video youtube doesn't promote it. This video is the perfect example of that, it got launched at a wierd time thanks to youtube glitching out and running their "checks" for 8 hours. If the video doesn't get a lot of views from subscribers in the first couple hours then youtube decides the video is Nfg and kills any chance of it ever being promoted. Whether it was the wierd release time, or people just legitimately aren't interested in the subject matter I don't know, but this video ended up being a total dud. My point is that without regular viewers like yourself this whole channel is dead in the water, so in the grand scheme of things having a loyal audience is worth more than dollars and cents. I sent you my email in response to your comment on my last video so feel free to send me a note sometime
Great video Kyle! I learned a few things.
Thank you, glad it was helpful!
Very informative video👍
Thanks!
Yes I enjoyed the welding difference. I think for me I think tig would work best for me thanks 😊
Thanks, there are definitely a lot of benefits to using a tig
Great tips and very well put. Great work as you always you do.
Very informative. Thanks as always for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the good tips. I agree re. the mig.
Thanks, glad you found the tips useful!
at the end i was half expecting a mgm lion roar from allan
Haha that would be appropriate!
Thanks!
Wow thanks again!
Great video.....I prefer tig....seems cleaner...whatever!......great show bud !🍁 😜
Was the opening pyrotechnics courtesy of the magnesium dust from your coat pocket? Thanks for the information Kyle! Looking forward to trying the MIG techniques you show here to limit warp. Most of the videos showing MIG of sheet metal still show significant warp. I have yet to master TIG welding sheet metal but haven't spent enough time on that yet.
It was actually bondo dust I've been collecting, that stuff is super flamable haha. Glad you found the video useful!
Just learned a lot thanks kyle.
Thanks for watching!
Great video man. I'm looking at buying a pneumatic 90 degree die grinder and I really like how quiet yours is! I been asking around and can't find one like that LOL!
Thanks! The secret is to not wear ear protection while working, eventually every grinder will become silent. Haha
Thank you for making a well produced informative video. What size tungsten do you prefer for tig welding automotive sheet metal?
1/16 is probably best, but I am using a 3/32" because that's what came with my welder
Very informative especially the height of the MIG stich weld. I've used up a lot of wire trying to get good penetration and a flat tack to no avail. Looks like it will not happen.
It's probably possible, just not in the real world! That's what grinders are for!
I spent today cutting coupons and welding them together. Totally a pain with this flux core welder. Hard to keep it from burning a hole in the sheet metal. Even in the minimum setting. Yeah, it's a Chicago Electric flux core welder. I have been looking real hard at the Harbor Freight Multi-process welders. They seem like a good deal. I'll just need to get a supplier for the gas. Saving up my nickels and dimes.
Thanks Kyle,
Finally someone who can give an "apples with apples" unbiased comparison between MIG and TIG.
As an older inexperienced welder with a couple of projects to do (Model As) I have been trying to find out if i need to buy a TIG for panel work, get some new gas bottles for my old OXY/ACET set or just use my MIG. I think you have answered most of my questions. The only other thing I would like to know is, do you always use gas when MIGing or are there times when it is not needed?
Thanks again
I would never mig weld on sheetmetal without gas. It's technically possible, but it does a ton of damage to the metal. Thanks for watching!
you are master! thanks!
I tried to cool the MIG welds by blowing warm air on it, but I always run out of breath, any suggestions? I thought the co2 in my breath, might protect the weld the same way TIG shielding gas does, as carbon dioxide (CO2) is commonly used as 'inert gas' in the wine industry because these have little or no reactivity with wine, so it must help the weld, right?
I own a Lincoln Mig, and don't own a Tig, so Mig is the best type of welder for the job.
It's tough to weld with a welder you don't have!
Great video, your entrance was fantastic, some of the finest magic I've ever seen. That is until I saw the magic you preform with the welder. Thanks.
Thanks Paul!
The biggest con with TIG welding for me is I don't have one. I have brazed patches in though, if that counts? That wasn't especially pretty, (and I hope I never have to do that again) but it was better than Bondo and window screen.
Haha I don't know I'd almost prefer the Bondo and screen method!
Man, you are great!!! Thanks. I'll subscribe. 😊
Thanks!
can a panel be warped when grinding down the welds ?
Yes. It's best to keep the grinder moving accross the panel.
Seriously interesting. How would gas compare? Glad to hear the Edgar has a good home.
Similar to tig welding, but even more heat. Some metal guys still prefer it over tig
The flame is not concentrated like tig so it puts more heat into the panel. Before mig/tig were common it was the way. Tig was known as heliarc when I was younger and was primarily used in the trade for aluminum. Absolutely was not accessible at that time to the hobby level guys.