I remember a few years back when diesel shops were getting raided and shut down for "emissions violations" (even though they made the trucks run better than stock). After the government went full retard on electric vehicles I knew it was only a matter of time before they started on motorcycles.
This is why I got out of the diesel performance industry. EPA go after the big company with a hefty fine. They in turn hand all the small shops over to save their ass.
The next step is for the G to stop people from working on their own bikes (cars...) and forcing everyone to go to an approved shop who "must" record and upload all documents of work done.
The only problem with taking a stand is that it won’t be effective at anything but stopping the sale of those parts altogether, because the EPA does not give a rat’s ass about what people want. They are 100% committed to the eradication of all combustion engine vehicles. They can’t just ban them outright yet, so they’re taking the death by 1000 cuts approach. They will make it more and more difficult to modify cars and bikes for racing until racing ceases to exist, then they will continue making it more and more impossible for OEMs to meet fuel efficiency requirements until nothing is made but electric vehicles with limited range and the ability to be shut off remotely.
@@UnrulyRider Good luck with that. This issue has been coming for decades. The EPA has a set of street noise emission standards for both motorcycle OEMs and aftermarket parts suppliers. This has been true for at least the past 20+ years. It's why every once in a great while someone will get pulled over and ticketed for their 'loud pipes save lives' aftermarket exhaust. And unsurprisingly every once in a great while the Feds get serious about enforcement. Obviously the Feds have been talking with Drag Specialties, among others. And obviously Drag Specialties has made the decision that taking the full risk of getting sued to oblivion by the Feds isn't worth the business. So by including that legal language in their catalogue, they are spreading that risk around. I would expect the Feds to be looking for someone to make an example of, so the same legal language is likely to be appearing in other parts catalogues as well.
Simple solution, buy some pipe learn to weld. No one thats riding is gonna stop because they cant buy some shit pipe made who knows where. Be a builer not a buyer.
Thanks for Sharing this with us . Unfortunately we are losing our Freedoms at an alarming rate especially with this last administration. They are banning Gas stoves , by not allowing gas to be installed in New Construction. You name it and it’s on the chopping block ,most of it is to keep the Greenies happy . High performance Bikes and Cars going to be under attack worse than ever. We can’t get rid of this Commy administration fast enough because it’s all being done by executive orders not by the people voting for or against it . Sorry for the Rant but it’s all related.
Sadly, this has been the law in Canada for a long time. We can't legally put aftermarket exhausts on our bikes. Do people do it? Absolutely. It's up to the police to determine whether your bike is compliant or not, so if you run into a cop that doesn't like you or your bike, or the sound of your exhaust, you get a fat ticket and have to do an inspection by a certified shop or a dealership to sign off on your bike. You still have to pay the ticket or argue if your bike didn't have race only performance parts (yes, there are cases where people got tickets for running a stock bike and the cop simply didn't like you). Total BS and government overreach. I don't see governments banning private jets for the elite, but they will happily ban bike exhausts that make up less than 5% of vehicles on the road. Ridiculous.
Yes you CAN put aftermarket parts on your motorcycle in Canada. Shops are in no way obligated to follow the procedure mentioned in this video. Yes we have a noise law and you can be ticketed etc. And I'm sure it happens but few and far between. Everyone I know runs aftermarket exhaust and none have received a ticket for noise violation. I run V&H straight shots on my Harley and haven't had an issue. Sheesh in 1980 I had a inline 4 with a Yoshimura competition exhaust on it. Hahah it had a plate on the exhaust that said completion ONLY. I got tickets, speed variety, and never for exhaust. Anyway. We are NOT discouraged here as one might think. Cheers!
@@geo.037 That is absolutely true, I run aftermarket pipes on my bike too, but there is a clause in the MVA that prohibits that. Of course we happily ignore it.
That's not just Canada, aftermarket exhausts aren't supposed to be installed on anything except "off road or racing applications". Its only because of the EPA which is a North American entity. Nobody has ever been fined for it that I have ever met lol this has been a thing forever
The problem is the system. Asshole thinking we need leaders to tell us what to do. We cant use chemical in this counrty but can buy the byproduct of these banned chemical from other countries. This country is ran by greedy shmucks looking for every penny they can scheem out of people.
Yeah look what January 6 cost those who wanted to speak their minds ..I'm ready to lay down but God and or Satan keeps waking me up to work for nothing pay to eat nothing and tax me everything and ANYTHING.i do to live .hell I lived better at 2.57 a hour back in the early 80's vs what I make now
@@UnrulyRider dude you can fight against this stuff without the threat of arms, I'm all for the 2nd but we don't need to threaten people to fight against this stuff. I don't know who but the goal would be to get people in government that could help fight these laws. It's called democracy. Also calling this tyrannical is a bit of a overreach. Is it fair no, but it's not like they are taking our motorcycles. As the above commenter said, we need to push back, but we can do that diplomatically.
They say these parts are for racing but they measure decibel levels at tracks now and have even shut down tracks for being too loud. Even though the track is supposed to be the place that you CAN be loud. They want to take away the internal combustion engine and motorcycles and only allow you to have a gray electric box that can be shut down by the government at any time if they deem you to be unfit for travel.
It’s starting in New York this year. This is why my Road Glide is still stock - while know the SE stuff pass inspection, I dunno about anything else (except perhaps the 50-state legal S&S exhaust)
Noise is a huge problem with people removing the catalectic converters from all types of vehicles. Making their bikes of all types so loud they can be heard for miles with these straight through pipes. It is not about performance it is about being annoying and not giving a shit about other people. I say about time these laws have been around for decades. Every exhaust system has it stamped on the exhaust, it is a federal law. Good every state and city should enforce noise pollution.
My brother in law is a LEO. I ride a sport bike with an aftermarket exhaust. He told me if I was ever pulled over and the officer asks if the exhaust is factory. Your answer should be " I'm sorry officer I'm not a mechanic, are you?" He also told me that self incrimination is their most important tool.
It’s not just HD dealing with these issues. I bought a Ducati branded exhaust produced by Akrapovic. You can install the exhaust on your own but you have to get the dealer to install the UpMap. In order for the dealer to install the UpMap, the bike has to be delivered to the dealership in/on a trailer, bike must be race prepped (lights taped, license plate removed) and the dealership take photos of such coming and going. You, as the owner of the bike, must sign a document stating you will only use the bike on track. This basically removes liability from everyone else but you.
I have a fine 1993 Harley Evo.....I don't give a shit what the dealer says....I have minimal electrics and besides... too antique for them to deign to work on....
I live in the state of California and like the Canadian who welcomed us. I say thank you, after 63 years of living in Cali I am looking to leave this jacked up state. Yes me and my Road King Special are leaving....Not to sure were to go? I will start looking into other states that respect motorcycle riders right for freedom.
I was born and raised in California. After seeing the state change from being a reasonable and effective government to the current insane left wing monoculture, I left in 2019. Best decision I ever made. The only thing I miss is the weather.
Sorry, to say the facts, to you sir, that increase in global temperature is a real thing. First it affected most countries and areas which are having more heat which happens to be in Africa and India, and some countries i don't know of, no one cared now it is touching EU nations. Since then, EU countries are forcing more regulations for their survival. Your country being cautious about the future that's all. I am a biker guy, myself, so I just blame timing. 2005-2018 are the best years for the bikers, according to me.
Govt can imprison you for what you choose to possess and ingest in your own body. Telling you what you can't strap on a bike is minor league tyranny by comparison.
Came to post this. Diesel is getting smacked hard right now. OEM, aftermarket, shops, all of it. This is all part of the forced conversion to electric. Rio apart the ICE enthusiast scene since we have been the most vocal.
IIRC, the EPA and FDA are private organizations that are controlled by the Government. Not government agencies per se. But they somehow wield a lot of power. Have a few conservative billionaires start their own agency to debunk this shit and set a new standard. In a perfect world I guess.
@@FLORIDAMANIAM-he2lz That is the answer, always has been. The government only respects your rights and freedoms if you are willing to put them in the ground over it.
they tried something like that in R.I on inspections . no aftermarket exhaust and believe 12" to top of handlebars measured from seat compressed.500.00 fine for each. plus the shop that inspected it, even if there put on after inspection. no one got there bike inspected and most shops didn't get sticker,s. state police colonel told the troopers no tickets for no inspection. that inspection law didn't last long.
I often wondered why aftermarket parts (mufflers particularly) seemed to have less "restrictions" than Harley mufflers. The mufflers are one of the first things we replace. We get rid of the wimpy sounding stock pipes for more aggressive sounding pipes.
Harley has to meet stringent emissions and noise regulations which require them to detune the bike significantly - especially on an air cooled engine. The noise restrictions are the total sound, the rotating and valve train noise and the exhaust so they really have to quiet the exhaust. They'll be happy to sell you Screaming Eagle slip on's to fix that.
I’ll play devils advocate here. Nuisance bikes are a big problem. If we don’t police ourselves the authorities will. I used to ride a loud motorcycle and I grew up now all my bikes are quiet and I’m not part of the problem. Interestingly I’m still lumped into the category because I ride. Now if people would just stop building nuisance bikes we’d be better off. Just like the diesel pickup crowd rolling coal it’s all our fault. A lil louder wasn’t enough we all went bat sh!t crazy.
I have been riding for 35 years. I don’t have a problem with modifying your bike. I do have a problem with exhaust modifications. Most modifications only affect the bike. Exhaust modifications affect everyone around. Nobody should have to listen to loud exhaust on cars, trucks, or motorcycles. It’s a matter of respect for others.
I was afraid it would come to this. That is why I purchased my headers last year to make sure that I got them installed before the new rules/laws came out.
you all seem to FORGET . WE are the consumer.each of us need to tell the retailer when thay ask you to sign your name ,SAY NO PUT yuor part back on the shelf, then leave. DO NOT SIGN . when thay cant sell there sh/ t . thay will change there minds . united we stand and ride
This is what ABATE chapters have been trying to fight for years.Everyone thinks we just fight helmet laws,but weve been fighting about 15 other laws that affect everyone. Support your local chapter to show more support to fight things like this
This has been happening in the car scene for a few years now. Car tuners ie Hondata have been cited by the EPA for modding vehicles and paying hefty fines. Some companies have already been put out of business. Like it or not this is coming for motorcycling the same way. The gov't and manufacturers have declared that the code on the ECU is NOT the property of the vehicle owner therefore s/he cannot modify that code. With the amount of pollution the likes of coal rollers do, it's no surprise that these changes are coming down so hard.
What's Dumb as hell and has been for a long time is Harley Davidson spending a c*** ton of money controlling the sound of their motorcycles and people, claiming they liked the sound of their motorcycles. But then the first thing they do is throw a different pipe on it.
If a company is going to question what I do with the products I purchase, I’m going to do business elsewhere. I’m extremely thankful I’m not part of the Harley ecosystem.
So called bikers of all people afraid of the government. It’d be a shame if a little jail time got in the way of your kid’s Saturday soccer or your Sunday HOG ride…
Think the EPA will raid the Mongols and Hells Angle riders and bar parking lots. This will shut down every charity ride in the country. Great I hate it when they come to my town.
It’s been this way at all Harley dealers in Las Vegas the last 11 months. If the after market component - exhaust- cam etc is not epa complaint they will NOT. Install it. Harley dealers here have been sued by the EPA. EVERYONE talks big and revolting until they get sued. Money talks and defending your business costing millions is NOT something any Harley dealer will do.
I just wrapped up my winter full rebuild/ upgrade and started my break in procedures the day of the release of this video, just in time apparently. The EPA can suck my tailpipe!
This is a bit hysterical. There is no form to fill out. They’re saying it’s the dealers responsibility to keep records. It takes the legal risk off them. After Harley’s $12 million fine they’re all getting jumpy covering their legal a**es. Don’t cancel one of the only companies that still makes performance parts because no one will be stepping in to take their place.
As soon as they started putting catalytic converters on Bikes it was all over. It is illegal to modify cars but people still do it anyway. Bottom line, if you want to go fast why are you buying Harleys?
Saw this coming, they have done this with autos for a long time. It's why a number of shops I know that do this have owner of bike sign a form that this is for off road use only. This is problem with Chevron deference, Congress didn't pass the law but EPA just made a rule, not a law. This is a back door way to stop people in states that don't have emission testing to stop modifying the bikes
The problem is the govt used to be a check against business, now it goes hand in hand with the global business community to push a single agenda without voters having a say.
this is spilling over from Europe ....where it's illegal to modify ANYTHING on your motorcycle and every other motor vehicle. the EPA is out of control and needs to be shut down.
Excellent Video and topic. I hate that we just cant have fun anymore building cool cars and bikes without being so over regulated that you are afraid to take you performance car or bike onto the roadway. I stand behind A-1 Cycles and will stop doing business with Drag Specialties at least until they get someone who can sit down and tell their side of the story.
In Switzerland we are not allowed to mofify the performance of pur Harley. Streaming eagle is no more available. If you change the exhaust … it can cost a fat ticket and an inspection of the bike. It is a gamble. Regards from Switzerland
I lived in California 40 years before I closed shop and left. The EPA and Healthcare System operate on the same two principles, "dollars and cents". Its not about our health, its about thier pockets.
I can see the logical reason for these companies putting the disclaimer on their products. The rebellious rider that gets pulled over and issued with a ticket or appearance notice argues that the shop or supplier of the part fitted that makes their bike unroadworthy is to blame. 🙄
"Hello, $Dealership, I'd like to order this exhaust please" "Ok, well Drag Specialties makes us ask this, but what bike is it going on?" "OH.....it's not, it's just for something I'm working on. I may just mount it on the wall" "Works for me"
I had to buy my exhaust from Amazon because cause no one would send one to California. I worked in the aftermarket auto parts business for years. More than half of the products we sold were only for “off-road use only”. It didn’t stop anyone, but a cop in the know would write you a fix it ticket a mile long if you got pulled over for even the slightest infraction.
Can not be enforced. I buy pat a shop, shop installs, I go home. I don't like new part, guy I know does. He offers price for part, and he works at BB HD as master mechanic, offers to remove reinstall OME part. Parts buying guy knows a guy who has a friend........... I threw part away!
CLEAN AIR ACT! , if you a car or bike enthusiast and voted democrat, you got nobody to blame besides yourself! The rich and politicians keep flying their jets, diesel engines bigger than a house crossing the big ocean every day. We just here to balance that crap back out.
The clean air act is a bipartisan bill from congress. So stop the b.s that it was just democrats do some research before you make a statement like that.
If I'm reading the subtext correctly here, the big complaint is about open exhaust systems, right? Like the diesel guys, emission control systems are removed from motorcycles to make them louder and faster. Lots of bikers like loud for its own sake, and every biker likes faster. All that is being restricted here are open pipes that remove catalytic converters. You can still have performance parts on the street as long as they aren't too dirty.
Ill start this by saying I OWN A HARLEY DAVIDSON I HAVE AFTER MARKET PARTS I HAVE AN AFTERMARKET EXHAUST This problem actually started by us the riders. I lived in a outlying area of the city and WAY TOO OFTEN people sat on their bikes revving their straight pipes at 2 am outside the local bar. I now live in the country on a back country road. I often have people on the road with an exhaust SOOOO loud it can be heard at the end of my road a mile and a half away ALL hours of the day. It used to be that the riders would respect people and not hammer on the throttle while most people were sleeping. They would not rev the piss out of their bikes in a residential area thinking they are Joe Cool. There is no need to be at the top end of the RPM`s in a residential area ....... shift the damn bike and get the RPM`s lower and not Piss everyone off. I have had multiple people thank me for coming home at night while keeping the bike as quiet as possible when people are obviously sleeping..........The government didn't wake up one day and say lets piss the motorcycle community off for the hell of it..... lets limit the purchase of parts and eliminate the income of sales tax. Way too many Riders do not care about the community and the community made complaints to the town board and / or police and the legislation got pushed thru. WE NEED TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF OUR MISTAKES AS WELL!!!!!
The diesel truck industry went through this a few years back. PPEI specifically got into some trouble, and a guy in Houston was fined $1mil. And he was just a locally owned performance shop. It was dumb. Mostly deleting emissions, but the emissions from 10 years ago was crap. It didn’t work.
The reason why the did this because people who owned diesel truck would drive on the road and by people and blow all that black smoke for shits and giggles.
I wonder if this is why Harley cancelled my order for a Stage 4 kit with no explanation. The customer service rep said they didn’t know why it was cancelled, but the kit was unavailable and I could not back order it (even though the website says it’s available for back order).
Blame the EPA and the govt for all of this. Don’t be pissed off at the distributors and manufacturers for what’s going on. They’re protecting their business from the EPA and CARB hitting everyone with fines. Take it up with your representatives in the govt and let them know what you think about it. Powersports shops/installers are going to have to protect themselves as well to keep from getting fined.
This has already happened in the Automotive repair industry and the Diesel repair industry. Shops still performing much of this type of performance work are hanging their asses out a mile. I had hoped that because of the low volume of actual damage being done to the environment by motorcycles that it would never come but here it is. Hell it's even happened in the lawn mower industry. Not that exhaust and cam's were being installed on mowers but certainly compliance regarding lower emissions by manufactures has and hard starting and poor running mowers are the result. I don't think anyone is going to stop it. On the bright side most of the new motorcycles run great because of technology advancements like VVT. Unfortunately I think the street market after market performance industry is doomed at least as it exists today.
You need a company like Drag Specialties to standup against these rules as well. It only hurts their bottom end when they aren’t selling parts. Maybe they should stand up with the motorcycle community or the catalogues will be in the garbage at every shop!
This hurts alot of manufacturing and jobs across the board but they could care less that it will close and end a lot of jobs throughout this country and I mean alot! And we're talking from automotive to motorcycle industry. It will put thousands upon thousands of people out of work. But the could care less about you the people.
While blaming the government is usually the right answer, it's not this time (at least not entirely) It's time to start calling out everyone who votes for these clowns and start voting the right candidate (pun 100% intended)
I live in Canada. Certain towns and cities in Quebec are clamping down on noise emitted from motorcycles. My Magnaflow pipes on my Softail would not pass the noise by-law there. I live in Nova Scotia where they don't bother with loud pipes. I don't know what parts are on the EPA list as it wasn't discussed but I do know some bikes are just too loud. When people complain, laws happen. There are streets on the South shore of Montreal where motorcycles ar prohibited due to excessive noise. I think us bikers have a responsibility to show respect to our neighbours. I like a little rumble and like a few extra ponies but find there is no room for straight pipes. I have asked after market manufacturers what dB levels a set of pipes would emit before buying them and the sellers would never give me a clear answer. How can I make an informed decision if I am not given the numbers? So, I'd like to know which "race parts" are actually targeted by the feds? And who's fault is it anyway if people complain bikes are too loud?
The sad fact for any cruiser type bike is a very tiny percentage have venues to actually race. I think this is more evidence of over reach by a dictatorial government and administration. My answer would be "yes, I compete in the human race, even sometimes in the rat race."
You're calling put the wrong people. They ARE forcing them to do it. EPA is actually raiding shops for EPA violations with seat teams. Dynojet is suffering from the same rules.
In California this has been an issue for a long time. When I had an HD, the only 50 states legal exhaust came from S&S. After fixit tickets were tied to vehicle registration that was it C.A.R.B. Is brutal!
Yeah , in Canada we've had this for a while. Click the box acknowledging it's for race only, tear up the streets... Pay your fun tax to the pigs and carry on. Been pulled over a few times with a fully built 128" STAGE IV road king worst I've gotten is an excessive noise ticket.
You know, there was a time when there were no fat books to buy speed parts from. They were made by innovative privateers in there home shops. Maybe it's coming full circle.
I am in Australia, and we are somewhere between Canada and the US. If the manufacturers were allowed by the regulations to make their OEM exhaust sound like a motorcycle there would not be any need for aftermarket exhausts. Catalytic converters flow well nowdays so having a cat is not really the issue. The Mercedes AMGs prove that you the OEM's can build a great sounding exhaust.
I remember a few years back when diesel shops were getting raided and shut down for "emissions violations" (even though they made the trucks run better than stock). After the government went full retard on electric vehicles I knew it was only a matter of time before they started on motorcycles.
This is why I got out of the diesel performance industry. EPA go after the big company with a hefty fine. They in turn hand all the small shops over to save their ass.
The next step is for the G to stop people from working on their own bikes (cars...) and forcing everyone to go to an approved shop who "must" record and upload all documents of work done.
that is already happening…. even applies to working on your own farm equipment
Just like over seas
It's because they don't fear us... the government used to fear the people. The 2nd amendment is the answer to the government over-reach.
@@indianbill3123 Nope. John Deere lost that battle. Educate yourself.
The only problem with taking a stand is that it won’t be effective at anything but stopping the sale of those parts altogether, because the EPA does not give a rat’s ass about what people want. They are 100% committed to the eradication of all combustion engine vehicles. They can’t just ban them outright yet, so they’re taking the death by 1000 cuts approach. They will make it more and more difficult to modify cars and bikes for racing until racing ceases to exist, then they will continue making it more and more impossible for OEMs to meet fuel efficiency requirements until nothing is made but electric vehicles with limited range and the ability to be shut off remotely.
They would never do that! 😂
They would never do that😂
Just like they used to do with gun bans where they ban the bullets but let you buy the guns.
Bullseye. When Congress can evade their responsibilities by passing them off to bureaucrats who are untouchable by citizens…the game is over.
@@MyWillypilly California literally said their goal is to eliminate all combustion engine sales in the state. So have Federal officials. Dumbass
Misplaced anger I think. It's the EPA that we need to fight against, not the parts dealers hamstrung by laws and lawyers.
And the only way we will be able to fight the EPA is to get the Demorats out of office. They want total control of our lives.
2nd amendment is the answer to tyrannical forces...
@@UnrulyRider Good luck with that.
This issue has been coming for decades. The EPA has a set of street noise emission standards for both motorcycle OEMs and aftermarket parts suppliers. This has been true for at least the past 20+ years. It's why every once in a great while someone will get pulled over and ticketed for their 'loud pipes save lives' aftermarket exhaust.
And unsurprisingly every once in a great while the Feds get serious about enforcement. Obviously the Feds have been talking with Drag Specialties, among others. And obviously Drag Specialties has made the decision that taking the full risk of getting sued to oblivion by the Feds isn't worth the business. So by including that legal language in their catalogue, they are spreading that risk around. I would expect the Feds to be looking for someone to make an example of, so the same legal language is likely to be appearing in other parts catalogues as well.
Parts dealers should also be fighting back.
@@darladuchesscontadour5380 100%.
..remember shit like this when you goto the polls..
Unfortunetly I don't think it matters who's in office..
This will not end till cops and politicians stop going home to their families. Bodies laying on the ground speak louder then pleas.
I was thinking trenches...
@@FLORIDAMANIAM-he2lz BIG FACTS! Well said sir!
Only about 25% or less vote 😢
We're in business with parts unlimited and drag for 32 years. None of our customers are going to comply with shit
Consumers have so much power when all come together! No sales, no company profit, watch the policy change! Great video putting the word out!
Not this time around. They would love it if we all would just stop riding motorcycles and only ride in their electric drive-them-selves-around cars.
Simple solution, buy some pipe learn to weld. No one thats riding is gonna stop because they cant buy some shit pipe made who knows where. Be a builer not a buyer.
Thanks for Sharing this with us . Unfortunately we are losing our Freedoms at an alarming rate especially with this last administration. They are banning Gas stoves , by not allowing gas to be installed in New Construction. You name it and it’s on the chopping block ,most of it is to keep the Greenies happy . High performance Bikes and Cars going to be under attack worse than ever. We can’t get rid of this Commy administration fast enough because it’s all being done by executive orders not by the people voting for or against it . Sorry for the Rant but it’s all related.
@@NotAffiliated Yea…. If they have their way. So how many years 5? 10? 15? 20? Riders will unite, things will happen. Probably won’t be boring 😅
@@mikesmither-ys6yy in 1987 there was not any emissions stuff on a motorcycle. Yes they had silencers but that is mostly stock applications.
Sadly, this has been the law in Canada for a long time. We can't legally put aftermarket exhausts on our bikes. Do people do it? Absolutely. It's up to the police to determine whether your bike is compliant or not, so if you run into a cop that doesn't like you or your bike, or the sound of your exhaust, you get a fat ticket and have to do an inspection by a certified shop or a dealership to sign off on your bike. You still have to pay the ticket or argue if your bike didn't have race only performance parts (yes, there are cases where people got tickets for running a stock bike and the cop simply didn't like you). Total BS and government overreach. I don't see governments banning private jets for the elite, but they will happily ban bike exhausts that make up less than 5% of vehicles on the road. Ridiculous.
Yes you CAN put aftermarket parts on your motorcycle in Canada. Shops are in no way obligated to follow the procedure mentioned in this video. Yes we have a noise law and you can be ticketed etc. And I'm sure it happens but few and far between. Everyone I know runs aftermarket exhaust and none have received a ticket for noise violation. I run V&H straight shots on my Harley and haven't had an issue. Sheesh in 1980 I had a inline 4 with a Yoshimura competition exhaust on it. Hahah it had a plate on the exhaust that said completion ONLY. I got tickets, speed variety, and never for exhaust. Anyway. We are NOT discouraged here as one might think. Cheers!
@@geo.037 That is absolutely true, I run aftermarket pipes on my bike too, but there is a clause in the MVA that prohibits that. Of course we happily ignore it.
Same in Melbourne Australia but I’ve only been fined twice and had to reinstall standard pipes for noise test. I’ve been riding since 1976
That's not just Canada, aftermarket exhausts aren't supposed to be installed on anything except "off road or racing applications". Its only because of the EPA which is a North American entity. Nobody has ever been fined for it that I have ever met lol this has been a thing forever
You technically can't put an aftermarket exhaust in the USA either and definitely not in California.
The fault lies with all those who vote people into office who advance these kind of laws.
Well, then, look at ALL the jackasses who vote blue!!! Anti-capitalism is BLUE!!!!
The people that vote on this sort of crap are the Liberal Democrats.
The problem is the system. Asshole thinking we need leaders to tell us what to do. We cant use chemical in this counrty but can buy the byproduct of these banned chemical from other countries. This country is ran by greedy shmucks looking for every penny they can scheem out of people.
This is going on everywhere. We need to push back. Everyone has too
Yeah look what January 6 cost those who wanted to speak their minds ..I'm ready to lay down but God and or Satan keeps waking me up to work for nothing pay to eat nothing and tax me everything and ANYTHING.i do to live .hell I lived better at 2.57 a hour back in the early 80's vs what I make now
The very purpose of our 2nd Amendment, prevent tyrannical government over-reach.
@@UnrulyRider dude you can fight against this stuff without the threat of arms, I'm all for the 2nd but we don't need to threaten people to fight against this stuff. I don't know who but the goal would be to get people in government that could help fight these laws. It's called democracy. Also calling this tyrannical is a bit of a overreach. Is it fair no, but it's not like they are taking our motorcycles. As the above commenter said, we need to push back, but we can do that diplomatically.
It would be like not taking guns but making ammo so expensive no one could afford it.
@@jerrywilliams198 We live in a Constitutional Republic, NOT a democracy. Democracy is mob rule, learn the difference.
They say these parts are for racing but they measure decibel levels at tracks now and have even shut down tracks for being too loud. Even though the track is supposed to be the place that you CAN be loud. They want to take away the internal combustion engine and motorcycles and only allow you to have a gray electric box that can be shut down by the government at any time if they deem you to be unfit for travel.
This has been the case for some time. Most notably in California. It is all about control. Not environmental safety.
You are 100 %correct.
It’s starting in New York this year. This is why my Road Glide is still stock - while know the SE stuff pass inspection, I dunno about anything else (except perhaps the 50-state legal S&S exhaust)
@@NYCZ31 Stock is shit.
Noise is a huge problem with people removing the catalectic converters from all types of vehicles. Making their bikes of all types so loud they can be heard for miles with these straight through pipes. It is not about performance it is about being annoying and not giving a shit about other people. I say about time these laws have been around for decades. Every exhaust system has it stamped on the exhaust, it is a federal law. Good every state and city should enforce noise pollution.
Just run to Nevada and purchase all aftermarket parts. I did, Trask Air cleaner, Trask trans vent, Vance and Hiens headers and slip-ons
All 3 letter agencies should be dissolved.
Taf
@@MrSvdominicis ...is ghey
FACTS.
They all suck and are not needed.. Filled with useless people who couldn't make it outside of government.
Right on!
Got a set Vance and Hines pipes for my bike 7years ago, and it's printed on the box " for off road use only not legal for street use"
My brother in law is a LEO.
I ride a sport bike with an aftermarket exhaust.
He told me if I was ever pulled over and the officer asks if the exhaust is factory.
Your answer should be " I'm sorry officer I'm not a mechanic, are you?"
He also told me that self incrimination is their most important tool.
Defund the EPA.
along with the IRS and ATF.
It’s not just HD dealing with these issues. I bought a Ducati branded exhaust produced by Akrapovic. You can install the exhaust on your own but you have to get the dealer to install the UpMap. In order for the dealer to install the UpMap, the bike has to be delivered to the dealership in/on a trailer, bike must be race prepped (lights taped, license plate removed) and the dealership take photos of such coming and going.
You, as the owner of the bike, must sign a document stating you will only use the bike on track. This basically removes liability from everyone else but you.
I have a fine 1993 Harley Evo.....I don't give a shit what the dealer says....I have minimal electrics and besides... too antique for them to deign to work on....
Good for Ducati.
I live in the state of California and like the Canadian who welcomed us. I say thank you, after 63 years of living in Cali I am looking to leave this jacked up state. Yes me and my Road King Special are leaving....Not to sure were to go? I will start looking into other states that respect motorcycle riders right for freedom.
Stay and vote out Democrats.
I was born and raised in California. After seeing the state change from being a reasonable and effective government to the current insane left wing monoculture, I left in 2019.
Best decision I ever made. The only thing I miss is the weather.
Bye 👋
I'd comment on exactly who is responsible in California but I keep getting deleted. There a 4 fam ilies that conn trolll cali. Look it up.
Tennessee, Texas, Missouri, Florida... all states that are also pretty darn pro 2A, compared to the rest of the country.
Don't blame the business. Blame Govt regulation.
"Just following orders" is what the nazis TRIED to use an excuse, too.
Blame the Biden administration EPA zealots.
Blame the democrats
Sorry, to say the facts, to you sir, that increase in global temperature is a real thing. First it affected most countries and areas which are having more heat which happens to be in Africa and India, and some countries i don't know of, no one cared now it is touching EU nations. Since then, EU countries are forcing more regulations for their survival. Your country being cautious about the future that's all.
I am a biker guy, myself, so I just blame timing. 2005-2018 are the best years for the bikers, according to me.
100% unequivocally blame the Dems
Govt can imprison you for what you choose to possess and ingest in your own body. Telling you what you can't strap on a bike is minor league tyranny by comparison.
Then you don't know much about motorcycles
Welp.... I hope the Chevron case in the Supreme Court put a stop to the fcking e p a....
It’s unfortunate but the EPA are actively raiding businesses in the automotive tuning industry. It’s coming to motorcycle shops and dealers soon.
Came to post this. Diesel is getting smacked hard right now. OEM, aftermarket, shops, all of it.
This is all part of the forced conversion to electric. Rio apart the ICE enthusiast scene since we have been the most vocal.
IIRC, the EPA and FDA are private organizations that are controlled by the Government. Not government agencies per se. But they somehow wield a lot of power. Have a few conservative billionaires start their own agency to debunk this shit and set a new standard. In a perfect world I guess.
If my shop got raided for something that i built the first asshole in the door is never gonna walk again.
@@FLORIDAMANIAM-he2lz That is the answer, always has been. The government only respects your rights and freedoms if you are willing to put them in the ground over it.
they tried something like that in R.I on inspections . no aftermarket exhaust and believe 12" to top of handlebars measured from seat compressed.500.00 fine for each. plus the shop that inspected it, even if there put on after inspection. no one got there bike inspected and most shops didn't get sticker,s. state police colonel told the troopers no tickets for no inspection. that inspection law didn't last long.
I often wondered why aftermarket parts (mufflers particularly) seemed to have less "restrictions" than Harley mufflers. The mufflers are one of the first things we replace. We get rid of the wimpy sounding stock pipes for more aggressive sounding pipes.
Didn’t HD get into strife for selling loud bikes? That’s my understanding anyway.
Harley has to meet stringent emissions and noise regulations which require them to detune the bike significantly - especially on an air cooled engine. The noise restrictions are the total sound, the rotating and valve train noise and the exhaust so they really have to quiet the exhaust. They'll be happy to sell you Screaming Eagle slip on's to fix that.
Well they are loud. How else is that four wheeler going to say I did not know the motorcycle was there?
That comment is so stupid as be retarded@@warrenpuckett4203
drag specialties doesn't want to be sued. can't blame them
I’ll play devils advocate here. Nuisance bikes are a big problem. If we don’t police ourselves the authorities will. I used to ride a loud motorcycle and I grew up now all my bikes are quiet and I’m not part of the problem. Interestingly I’m still lumped into the category because I ride. Now if people would just stop building nuisance bikes we’d be better off. Just like the diesel pickup crowd rolling coal it’s all our fault. A lil louder wasn’t enough we all went bat sh!t crazy.
Screw the government for sure
I have been riding for 35 years. I don’t have a problem with modifying your bike. I do have a problem with exhaust modifications. Most modifications only affect the bike. Exhaust modifications affect everyone around. Nobody should have to listen to loud exhaust on cars, trucks, or motorcycles. It’s a matter of respect for others.
You a New Yorker haaa
I was afraid it would come to this. That is why I purchased my headers last year to make sure that I got them installed before the new rules/laws came out.
You won't be able to get your bike inspected. No grandfathering in.
@@Rollanotheronemyfriendwhat’s an inspection? 😂
@chainsaw2950 so you don't know what a tag is either right? You don't need either for your bicycle 🤣
@@Rollanotheronemyfriend I don’t need an inspection in the state I live in so not a problem.
@@Okie-Jeff what state is that?
you all seem to FORGET . WE are the consumer.each of us need to tell the retailer when thay ask you to sign your name ,SAY NO PUT yuor part back on the shelf, then leave. DO NOT SIGN . when thay cant sell there sh/ t . thay will change there minds . united we stand and ride
The rise of home grown pipe companies, would love to see some Fed try to enforce this on a 1%er🤣
This is what ABATE chapters have been trying to fight for years.Everyone thinks we just fight helmet laws,but weve been fighting about 15 other laws that affect everyone. Support your local chapter to show more support to fight things like this
It is amazing when one thinks about what Can be done when regular folks stand together! HOOAH!!!
Unbelievable how far a reach they are getting… or we are giving… with or without our consent.
Do not comply, do not comply, do not comply.
This has been happening in the car scene for a few years now. Car tuners ie Hondata have been cited by the EPA for modding vehicles and paying hefty fines. Some companies have already been put out of business. Like it or not this is coming for motorcycling the same way. The gov't and manufacturers have declared that the code on the ECU is NOT the property of the vehicle owner therefore s/he cannot modify that code. With the amount of pollution the likes of coal rollers do, it's no surprise that these changes are coming down so hard.
Join your motorcycle rights organizations! Motorcycle Riders Foundation.
What's Dumb as hell and has been for a long time is Harley Davidson spending a c*** ton of money controlling the sound of their motorcycles and people, claiming they liked the sound of their motorcycles. But then the first thing they do is throw a different pipe on it.
Is it time to start building a Komatsu D355A with a Thunderheader and EV27?
100 % agree. We the people need to put a stop to it
They told you that you would own nothing and be happy.
The Gov't needs to get out of our life's
If a company is going to question what I do with the products I purchase, I’m going to do business elsewhere. I’m extremely thankful I’m not part of the Harley ecosystem.
So called bikers of all people afraid of the government. It’d be a shame if a little jail time got in the way of your kid’s Saturday soccer or your Sunday HOG ride…
Sadly Americans have to suffer first to wake up and fight for their freedom as our founding fathers
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Think the EPA will raid the Mongols and Hells Angle riders and bar parking lots. This will shut down every charity ride in the country. Great I hate it when they come to my town.
It’s been this way at all Harley dealers in Las Vegas the last 11 months. If the after market component - exhaust- cam etc is not epa complaint they will NOT. Install it.
Harley dealers here have been sued by the EPA. EVERYONE talks big and revolting until they get sued. Money talks and defending your business costing millions is NOT something any Harley dealer will do.
The legal process is the punishment. Just the cost of defending yourself can put you out of business, not to mention the time and stress.
How do you fight the government. They have a never-ending supply of money and lawyers!
I just wrapped up my winter full rebuild/ upgrade and started my break in procedures the day of the release of this video, just in time apparently. The EPA can suck my tailpipe!
I will stop modifying my vehicle and motorcycle when they stop all these elites from flying around in their private jets.
This is a bit hysterical. There is no form to fill out. They’re saying it’s the dealers responsibility to keep records. It takes the legal risk off them. After Harley’s $12 million fine they’re all getting jumpy covering their legal a**es.
Don’t cancel one of the only companies that still makes performance parts because no one will be stepping in to take their place.
As soon as they started putting catalytic converters on Bikes it was all over. It is illegal to modify cars but people still do it anyway. Bottom line, if you want to go fast why are you buying Harleys?
Saw this coming, they have done this with autos for a long time. It's why a number of shops I know that do this have owner of bike sign a form that this is for off road use only. This is problem with Chevron deference, Congress didn't pass the law but EPA just made a rule, not a law. This is a back door way to stop people in states that don't have emission testing to stop modifying the bikes
The problem is the govt used to be a check against business, now it goes hand in hand with the global business community to push a single agenda without voters having a say.
Sure I want to install a flame thrower.... Your logic, street legal.
Ban the EPA, ban the government nuff said
this is spilling over from Europe ....where it's illegal to modify ANYTHING on your motorcycle and every other motor vehicle. the EPA is out of control and needs to be shut down.
Excellent Video and topic. I hate that we just cant have fun anymore building cool cars and bikes without being so over regulated that you are afraid to take you performance car or bike onto the roadway. I stand behind A-1 Cycles and will stop doing business with Drag Specialties at least until they get someone who can sit down and tell their side of the story.
DS probably got sued by someone trying to get out of a fine. Can’t blame them for covering their liability.
In Switzerland we are not allowed to mofify the performance of pur Harley. Streaming eagle is no more available. If you change the exhaust … it can cost a fat ticket and an inspection of the bike. It is a gamble. Regards from Switzerland
That's why Muslims are conquering your country. Soon Switzerland will be mostly Muslims
Keep voting for Dems. You guys deserve what you get.
Si is the AMA sitting on the sidelines? If so, why does the AMA exists.
I lived in California 40 years before I closed shop and left. The EPA and Healthcare System operate on the same two principles, "dollars and cents". Its not about our health, its about thier pockets.
Been dealing with this for years with diesel trucks. Taking a stand won't do shit. The EPA will put companies out of business, they don't give AF
This is all the EPA , and they do not give a damn if companies go out of business . That is the idea .
I can see the logical reason for these companies putting the disclaimer on their products.
The rebellious rider that gets pulled over and issued with a ticket or appearance notice argues that the shop or supplier of the part fitted that makes their bike unroadworthy is to blame. 🙄
"Hello, $Dealership, I'd like to order this exhaust please"
"Ok, well Drag Specialties makes us ask this, but what bike is it going on?"
"OH.....it's not, it's just for something I'm working on. I may just mount it on the wall"
"Works for me"
I had to buy my exhaust from Amazon because cause no one would send one to California. I worked in the aftermarket auto parts business for years. More than half of the products we sold were only for “off-road use only”. It didn’t stop anyone, but a cop in the know would write you a fix it ticket a mile long if you got pulled over for even the slightest infraction.
Can not be enforced. I buy pat a shop, shop installs, I go home.
I don't like new part, guy I know does. He offers price for part, and he works at BB HD as master mechanic, offers to remove reinstall OME part.
Parts buying guy knows a guy who has a friend...........
I threw part away!
CLEAN AIR ACT! , if you a car or bike enthusiast and voted democrat, you got nobody to blame besides yourself! The rich and politicians keep flying their jets, diesel engines bigger than a house crossing the big ocean every day. We just here to balance that crap back out.
The clean air act is a bipartisan bill from congress. So stop the b.s that it was just democrats do some research before you make a statement like that.
If I'm reading the subtext correctly here, the big complaint is about open exhaust systems, right? Like the diesel guys, emission control systems are removed from motorcycles to make them louder and faster. Lots of bikers like loud for its own sake, and every biker likes faster. All that is being restricted here are open pipes that remove catalytic converters. You can still have performance parts on the street as long as they aren't too dirty.
Ill start this by saying
I OWN A HARLEY DAVIDSON
I HAVE AFTER MARKET PARTS
I HAVE AN AFTERMARKET EXHAUST
This problem actually started by us the riders. I lived in a outlying area of the city and WAY TOO OFTEN people sat on their bikes revving their straight pipes at 2 am outside the local bar. I now live in the country on a back country road. I often have people on the road with an exhaust SOOOO loud it can be heard at the end of my road a mile and a half away ALL hours of the day.
It used to be that the riders would respect people and not hammer on the throttle while most people were sleeping. They would not rev the piss out of their bikes in a residential area thinking they are Joe Cool.
There is no need to be at the top end of the RPM`s in a residential area ....... shift the damn bike and get the RPM`s lower and not Piss everyone off.
I have had multiple people thank me for coming home at night while keeping the bike as quiet as possible when people are obviously sleeping..........The government didn't wake up one day and say lets piss the motorcycle community off for the hell of it..... lets limit the purchase of parts and eliminate the income of sales tax.
Way too many Riders do not care about the community and the community made complaints to the town board and / or police and the legislation got pushed thru.
WE NEED TO TAKE OWNERSHIP OF OUR MISTAKES AS WELL!!!!!
Join the AMA & support them in “educating” politicians to the needs & rights of motorcyclists.
The diesel truck industry went through this a few years back. PPEI specifically got into some trouble, and a guy in Houston was fined $1mil. And he was just a locally owned performance shop. It was dumb. Mostly deleting emissions, but the emissions from 10 years ago was crap. It didn’t work.
The reason why the did this because people who owned diesel truck would drive on the road and by people and blow all that black smoke for shits and giggles.
@@loyalhearted6101 a few people did. Most people just wanted an extra 100hp and some reliability
@@Fever_Rides Well, now technology has gotten us the extra horsepower without the coal burners. Not all bad
@FeverRanch, it only takes 3 people to screw over millions,
@@harleyhawk7959 100% truth. Makes no sense to me
I wonder if this is why Harley cancelled my order for a Stage 4 kit with no explanation. The customer service rep said they didn’t know why it was cancelled, but the kit was unavailable and I could not back order it (even though the website says it’s available for back order).
That sucks, here in Australia a shop is currently installing a stage 4 kit on my new low rider with a bassani exhaust.
Doibtful, there is likely already a backorder with no date for restock.I had the same thing happen for a fuel gauge kit recently!
Wow, what a shake up, lets see how this all pans out. fingers crossed
Blame the EPA and the govt for all of this. Don’t be pissed off at the distributors and manufacturers for what’s going on. They’re protecting their business from the EPA and CARB hitting everyone with fines. Take it up with your representatives in the govt and let them know what you think about it. Powersports shops/installers are going to have to protect themselves as well to keep from getting fined.
What are the distributors doing to fight this? Once the government has them in line, they won't care what consumers want.
Via the MIC, MRF anf other organizations theyre a part of.
This has already happened in the Automotive repair industry and the Diesel repair industry. Shops still performing much of this type of performance work are hanging their asses out a mile. I had hoped that because of the low volume of actual damage being done to the environment by motorcycles that it would never come but here it is. Hell it's even happened in the lawn mower industry. Not that exhaust and cam's were being installed on mowers but certainly compliance regarding lower emissions by manufactures has and hard starting and poor running mowers are the result. I don't think anyone is going to stop it.
On the bright side most of the new motorcycles run great because of technology advancements like VVT.
Unfortunately I think the street market after market performance industry is doomed at least as it exists today.
The bottom line is 2 part…. 1. The EPA is cracking down, & 2, the owner/operator will be ultimately responsible….
You need a company like Drag Specialties to standup against these rules as well. It only hurts their bottom end when they aren’t selling parts. Maybe they should stand up with the motorcycle community or the catalogues will be in the garbage at every shop!
They won't stand up. They (Drag) are owned by a huge corporation that owns the majority of parts distributors.
This hurts alot of manufacturing and jobs across the board but they could care less that it will close and end a lot of jobs throughout this country and I mean alot! And we're talking from automotive to motorcycle industry. It will put thousands upon thousands of people out of work. But the could care less about you the people.
Imagine if HD just made good bikes from the start
I think a lot more people are going to learn how to install parts on their own bikes.
The problem will be getting the parts to install.
Not if nobody makes the parts for fear of huge fines it’s over
While blaming the government is usually the right answer, it's not this time (at least not entirely)
It's time to start calling out everyone who votes for these clowns and start voting the right candidate (pun 100% intended)
I live in Canada. Certain towns and cities in Quebec are clamping down on noise emitted from motorcycles. My Magnaflow pipes on my Softail would not pass the noise by-law there. I live in Nova Scotia where they don't bother with loud pipes. I don't know what parts are on the EPA list as it wasn't discussed but I do know some bikes are just too loud. When people complain, laws happen. There are streets on the South shore of Montreal where motorcycles ar prohibited due to excessive noise. I think us bikers have a responsibility to show respect to our neighbours. I like a little rumble and like a few extra ponies but find there is no room for straight pipes. I have asked after market manufacturers what dB levels a set of pipes would emit before buying them and the sellers would never give me a clear answer. How can I make an informed decision if I am not given the numbers? So, I'd like to know which "race parts" are actually targeted by the feds? And who's fault is it anyway if people complain bikes are too loud?
Don’t even bring up which oil you should use. OMG that is a heated debate in question on all the message boards. It’s so funny it’s comical.
Sad times we live in now unfortunately.
The sad fact for any cruiser type bike is a very tiny percentage have venues to actually race. I think this is more evidence of over reach by a dictatorial government and administration. My answer would be "yes, I compete in the human race, even sometimes in the rat race."
"Drag Specialties"??? Well, it's fitting for queer harley davidson.
I'm going to tell them those parts are going on my vacuum cleaner.
Hopefully, everyone has the same attitude, but I can see most dealers just complying, unfortunately.
My dealership already is spineless. I went 350 miles away to buy my bike.
The party is quickly ending boys and girls. No amount of crying will keep the world from moving on.
You're calling put the wrong people. They ARE forcing them to do it. EPA is actually raiding shops for EPA violations with seat teams. Dynojet is suffering from the same rules.
I agree except for modifying your bike to a point it's unsafe to control properly or so loud that it hurts and
damages people's ears.........
In California this has been an issue for a long time. When I had an HD, the only 50 states legal exhaust came from S&S. After fixit tickets were tied to vehicle registration that was it C.A.R.B. Is brutal!
Yeah , in Canada we've had this for a while. Click the box acknowledging it's for race only, tear up the streets... Pay your fun tax to the pigs and carry on. Been pulled over a few times with a fully built 128" STAGE IV road king worst I've gotten is an excessive noise ticket.
Customer exhaust shops will suddenly get very busy.
NO the motorcycle community does NOT argue about everything! 😁
Do your own work, run what you like. FUCK the EPA and FJB!
I'll register motorcycle parts the same time I register defensive parts. Never. Go pound sand for even asking.
You know, there was a time when there were no fat books to buy speed parts from. They were made by innovative privateers in there home shops. Maybe it's coming full circle.
You're not going to make engine tuning in your back yard.
I’m with u on any and everything we can do to stop this. Tell me where to sign or show up.
I am in Australia, and we are somewhere between Canada and the US. If the manufacturers were allowed by the regulations to make their OEM exhaust sound like a motorcycle there would not be any need for aftermarket exhausts. Catalytic converters flow well nowdays so having a cat is not really the issue. The Mercedes AMGs prove that you the OEM's can build a great sounding exhaust.