The Quran: "What Your Right Hands Possess" | Concubines in Islam series, part 7 | Dr. Shabir Ally
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- The Quran refers to those who guard their private parts except when it comes to their spouses or "those whom their right hands possess". Dr. Shabir Ally explains that this term was introduced in the Quran and wasn't widely used in society. He references Mohammed Asad, in his translation and commentary on the Quran, who says the 'or' may be used to suggest another way of referring to the same thing, so the term could mean 'your husband or your wife', because one has some ownership claim over one's spouse. Dr. Shabir extends the argument further, explaining difficulties encountered when taking the verse literally and offering a contextual analysis. He concludes by explaining that there is no verse in the Quran that says if a man owns a female slave, he has a right to go to bed with her.
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Dr Shabir does it again. He turns a controversial verse into “hey it’s so vague” it could mean something. Does Allah not ever convey a message clearly without any ambiguity?
I like to believe that it's because He wants to give us a chance to say "we didn't understand" on the day of judgement so He can let us go on a technicality. I hope 🤞
@@qasimsultan4747 The Arabs had that excuse going for them, until Allah sent a prophet speaking clear Arabic, the language of the people.
“And We have sent no Messenger save with the tongue of his people, that he might make all clear to them; then God leads astray whomsoever He will, and guides whomsoever He will; and He is the All-mighty, the All-wise”
- Surah 14:4
What will save you is not an excuse of vagueness, but whether Allah chose to guide or misguide you.
Quran mentioned in Q:3v7 that there are verses which are allegorical. Not many of Quranic verses could be categorised as such ie many are easily translated/understood.
Pertaining to this issue, Quran already predicted in Q:3v7 that "But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it", so your inclination is already known
The verse further noted that only those with sound knowledge will understand the meaning of such "unclear" verses, hence in 3v7 "And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed"
@@Furqan-tm4gk im not seeking to explain anything. Im simply telling what the Quran says that there are verses that Allah SWT deliberately left unclear. So neither you nor me nor anyone can claim to know everything about our religion.
@@Furqan-tm4gk I am not sure that “only those with sound knowledge will understand the meaning of such “unclear” verses…”
The preceding section says “NONE know the meaning save Allah”. Tafsir Jalalyn concurs that even those of knowledge do not know the meaning. So it looks like your interpretation is wrong
“And those firmly rooted established and capable in knowledge al-rāsikhūna fī’l-‘ilm is the subject the predicate of which is what follows say ‘We believe in it the allegorical part that it is from God and we do not know its meaning; all of the clear and the allegorical is from our Lord”.
It seems to me that Qasim Sultan is right. Allah intentionally revealed verses that no one knows it’s true meaning. In fact the alleged historical background supports this understanding.
So y'all Muslims are going to throw your brains away and not take the context of the text along with the hadith confirming that it is indeed talking about captive women... Its the one that makes the most sense
I respect Dr.Shabir's attempt, it is interesting and although personally, I felt that it was a bit far-fetched, he is definitely right in that the traditional interpretation goes against the overall ethics of the Quran. May Allah bless Dr.Shabir and grant him a long life so that we can all benefit much from him. Amin
Was Allah or Muhammad so foolish that he didn't know that Muslims will misinterpret it for 1400 years and will savage millions of women due to the slavery in the Islamic world?
its actually really not far fetched, if Arabic was your first language, you would know that it makes total sense
I agree.
@@stopplease8561agreed
Indeed, and his point that you need to consider what the quran says overall is absolutely true. The revelation was revealed in its entirety and Allah says that he has perfected our Deen with the Quran so why would we cherry pick that we like without considering Allahs entire revelation and Allah knows best.
the amount of mental gymnastics is impressive
well done
I am a Muslim and I found the explanation mental gymnastics as well to the point it was infuriating
@@Checkeroute he's just trying to cover it up. 1+1=2 he's trying to say it can also equal 7 if you believe hard enough
Wonderful discussions, liked how jauz was explained and how the subject verse was put against the context and compared with the word Mu'minoon. We should stop and think, and silence our biases , not just run with what suits us. Thank you channel folks.
But the ayat was revealed when the question of what they should do with the captured ladies after the raid. That geezer is completely ignoring the context and choosing to lie instead of tell it how it was
That is interesting. But I thought it would give a clearer picture if Dr Shabir could elaborate on how the majority of Mufaththir interpreted this vers rather than one Interpretation only and also taking into consideration of the practices of Muslims especially the early generation.
yes please Shabir
thank you in depth explainations! appreciate this channel so much!
That’s 100% a term that means slaves. The Romans and all other surrounding civilizations refer to “manus” (hand in Latin) slavery. They literally ALL used that term. It has always been used in reference to slavery. They even used the same idiomatic statement of “those your right hand possesses.” It’s a very commonly historically attested term used all over the region.
Hi Richard, excellent argument. Would you please give me a citation about the Romans using that same idiomatic statement? Asking to show a Muslim friend.
I’m Muslim but it’s talking about captives of war
Why not just use the word 'slave'?
makes it much better @@Farhadmoh
Are those not slaves?
I appreciate Ally's argument about the appropriation of the term "literalist", and pushing such an argument to the extreme to show that not even "literalists" actually take any text "literally". All texts require more complex analysis because that's just the nature of language.
When someone claims that a certain school of thought is literalist, whether in favor or against Islamic thought, they're really trying to assert authority to their claim by using the word to give legitimacy to their claim and implying there are no other authentic possible readings beyond their own. It's good to give the text the breadth it needs for debate and analysis.
Really this is the root of all woes of us muslims
Its clear from bhukhari sharif hadith narrated by companion abu saaid khudrib about war captive women
We muslims tell the christians to follow the teachings of Jesus P.B.U.H & stop following Paul who has never met Jesus P.B.U.H yet here we are following imams who have never met the Prophet P.B.U.H, plus we know these imams are differing amongst each other on certain matters. 🤦♂️
MUSLIM T0 CHRISTIAN - To be on the save side follow what Jesus P.B.U.H said
MUSLIM VS MUSLIM
MUSLIM A - We must follow an imam ❌
MUSLIM B - But all the four imams said, if you find a hadith which contradicts what we have taught you then REJECT what we taught you & follow the teachings of Prophet P.B.U.H 🤦♂️✔️
MUSLIM A - You have been decieved by SATAN ❌
MUSLIM B - No, you are the one who has been decieved by SATAN because the complete & perfected ISLAM existed before the birth of all the four great imams 🤦♂️ ( Quran 5 : 3 ) ✔️
Modern imams want to reform Islam they don't like the Quran
@@NRFP Dunno what you're talking about since I was discussing a mode of argumentation, not any specific text.
The mental gymnastics here has left me more confused, when I came here to seek clarification 😂
Assalaamu alaikum. Please let us know how to explain this verse with the 'in other words' concept:
" If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess". (4:25)
AMAZING point!
You going to finish the ayat? With the permission of their people and give them their honeymoon/vacation!
I would encourage people to listen to ExMuslim Zafar Heretic, Sahil, Adam to learn about the life of Muhammad and the origin of Islam and what's written in the Quran and Hadees, and why Muhammad those verses in the Quran. Please be ready for a great shock to your Islamic belief because the taste of truth can be very bitter sometimes and difficult to digest. But its always better to accept truth and reject falsehood. Thank you. May you live a very happy life. Be happy and make society happier.
Actually he was ehmadi muslim they have different quran even as a Muslim we cancel them
Yeah they have so much knowledge that they don't know the difference between dahaha (dahaha)
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I like Dr. Ally even though I’m no longer a believing Muslim. There are problems with his interpretation, but let’s grant that it is correct. If the Qur’an is the word of a supremely perfect being, why would He allow any room for confusion where such a high risk of harm exists? The potential consequences of the classical interpretation are severe. Having sex with a slave, whose right to not being treated as property has already been violated, is rape. Rape is extraordinarily harmful. Why not just spell out clearly that only spouses are allowed for sex? By not making this clear, men are easily able to justify or legitimate rape. They’re just lucky that slavery has largely been abolished today.
The same question arises in respect of the discipline to which a recalcitrant wife can be subjected in Surah al-Nisa’ 4:34. Some scholars insist that the verse has nothing to do with disciplining one’s recalcitrant wife, physically or otherwise. If so, why not use the richness, nuance, and complexity of the Arabic language that Muslims love to talk about to spell out that beating one’s wife is never allowed?
Combined with the sheer lack of any substantive evidence for the truth of Islam, these constitute good grounds to reject it.
I am a revert and have very little Islamic knowledge at this point in time. However, I believe Allah gave men the choice to be good people, and those who acted in horrible manners will get their punishments on the day of judgment. They had their whole lives to figure out his teachings and dictate what courses of action to take. The punishment for feeding into their desires and harming women will be paid in full Inshallah.
In Islam, a man is permitted to discipline his wife lightly, not mercilessly.
@@JennieLemons The issue is not whether physical discipline is excessive. It's about the fact that the man gets to discipline his wife whereas she isn't permitted to discipline her husband for recalcitrance. Instead, she must consult an arbiter if she's got a complaint against her husband. That is sexist.
@heartfeltteaching
Well not to put women in a patronizing way but most men are stronger than women hence it will make sense that they are physically capable of displing a woman, whereas if she were to do the same to a man, he might lose his temper, and beater her more than he is permitted to. In fact, it is more simple for the woman to go to her relatives than to 1st talk to her husband, sleep in a separate room, and then discipline him.
In Islam, women and men are made differently and instead of looking at the other gender and envying what they have, we should look at the rights that are assigned to us. Because in Islam women have rights and you previously beinga Muslim I'm sure you know of them.
@@JennieLemons This is bullsh*t. We aren’t talking about physical discipline as such (even though that’s problematic on it’s own). We’re talking about who has the authority to discipline whom, not just physically.
“ … [I]t is more simple for the woman to go to her relatives than to 1st talk …”
Here you substitute assertion for argument. Why can’t she take the exact same non-physical steps to discipline her husband? Why is نشوز associated with the wife rather than the husband? It may very well be *more difficult* for her to involve outside relatives in a domestic conflict. The result of Surah 4:34 is an uneven burden placed on wives.
“In Islam … we should look at the rights assigned to us.”
This is precisely the problem. The rights are distributed in a manner that bestows greater power and authority (درجة) upon men than upon women. We see this patriarchal norm in everything from the injunction to have one forgetful female witness help another forgetful female witness in court to the emphasis on heavenly houris being specially created so that no man has touched them before.
Good discussion. I also think that the context of the time these laws were revealed ( in The Qur'an) or formulated ( in the Ahadith), needs to be considered to make complete sense of them as well.
So according to you.. Quran and hadits are only valid at 1400 yrs back?
I don't think Shabir Ally really believes what he's saying. I really is an embarrasing verse.
Please explain the meaning of surah 33:50, why God give to prophet the special rule for this issue?
Interesting interpretation. The two alternative interpretations espoused by Dr Shabir are “guard yourself from your spouse and your spouse” and “guard yourself from your spouse and a pair of things.” ie shoes😳😳😳
Quran in 4 22-25 talks about women who are allowed for muslim men. And initial expression is except what your right hand possesses in 4 24, but when Quran explains, how these women are allowed in 4 25, it says, that they are allowed in a way that you should marry them..
Brother, please stay with in the limits when joking about Islam. Even if he is wrong. Don't target islam while pulling out a joke about verse.
The joke isn't about the verse it's about how in the video there was no explanation of what it would be if it wasn't slaves.
Salamun Alaikum. Thanks for your intelligent interpretation.
Will appreciate your kindly giving views on verse 2:62. What does this really mean? Some say only Muslim will go to Jannat, but the verse says something else.
You know that people who lived before Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) brought Islam will not be judged by Islamic standards.
Everyone will be judged according to the message that was sent to them.
Allah knows best.
@@bashiratibrahim9703 thanks for your reply. I wonder, what will happen to the people of other faiths on current situation while the Islam preached by Muhammad SWS is already on board.
@@bashiratibrahim9703 He doesn't exist, why even care?
@@AllahDoesNotExist may Allah guide you ☺️
As you know muslim means a person who submits to God, and that could mean a person of any religion that submits and does good, as before Islam with Prophet Muhammad, people where called muslims.
Too much mental gymnastics is needed to equate right hand possessions with spouses. We don't have to resort to accepting such explanations to downplay the more consistent mainstream position so that the verse fits our preferred worldview.
Mental gymnastics are needed to justify the practice in general. That’s why many Muslims are confused on the topic.
There seems to be an awful lot of "backpedaling apologetics gymnastics" here with regards to interpreting this verse which is repeated 15 times in the Quran
The thing is, extremists will simply disregard these optimistic interpretations that are, let's just say, "more compatible with Western values" and will just interpret them literally
very nice
I left religion after study about it. my heart is full broken. main problem is consent of captive women & sell & by like product. its happened after offensive jihad
shabbir ally sir i want communicate with you
Actually, the practice was already going on. Even before Qur'an. Please read the book, Islam and slavery.
@@Azura-adamson So, Allah allows a inhuman practice as it has been continuing before islam.
Is drinking alcohol is more sinful than slavery? Have some sense.
@@mansurhallaj8568 , get some knowledge about how society worked back then. Allah has thousand times encourage people to marry off female slaves and release slaves in general. And no free man or woman will be made slave! And so much. Rather than sitting and blabbering why not do some real research and then make up your opinion.
@@Azura-adamson fine, then why prophet was having Slave, why he didn’t free them?
@@Azura-adamson Dude some muslim say its punshment on non muslim women because they are not muslim. so how they want make captive all non muslim women & sell them after win a country.what kind of joke it?
Please make me clear
Reply please
You can tell he is careful with his deceptive long confusing answer . She is not really buying it.
Thank you.
My question, why Allah confused people here? Quran says it is clear. Now, there are many confusions.
He is giving his own fabricated interpretations. Get lost.....
Its reality
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But it also state that its a book for your to ponder and to reflect on. If you look at Calculus and derivatives as a 10 year old, is it clear? But it's more clear for a person that have studied for years. The book is for all times, so things that where not clear a thousand years ago, are now clear.
what a ridiculous explanation
Bravo Shabir. The blanks between your words and what is not spoken... they speak. Louder than you think
Dr shabir has a great linguistic grasp of the quran. This was lost on many people in the comments
Good interpretation
It just doesn't work for 4:25 and the other parts of the Qur'an....
I am pretty sure that we can be intimate we either wives OR 'whom your right hand possess'. This is mentioned repeatedly throughout the qur'an. This implies that the conjugal rights with the wife, by extension, provides the automatic right for a man to sleep with a concubine. As for being 'literal' all the time - This is why we match the Quranic verses in conjunction with the teachings of the hadith. If it matches with what the hadith says, an opinion is supported. If there is a hadith which provides a 180 viewpoint, then a different interpretation of the Quranic verse is required. As far as 'marrying slave women' goes - I do not believe that free individuals are allowed to marry slaves. Free individuals can only marry each other and slaves can only marry each other. However, we are encouraged to free slaves and then marry them, which will provide us with twice the Barkat for each of our actions and good deeds. This is what is likely meant by 'marrying' slave girls.
Slavery is a most heinous practice ,no amount of sugar coating will justify,nobody is interested in how Islam treated slaves.Allah sent approximately 124000 so called prophets to spread his message,not a single prophet ever spoke or tried to abolish this barbaric practice…prophets in fact enjoyed slavery and marriage with small children…slavery was never abolished till 1962 in Saudi Arabia the holy land of Muslims..Abraham Lincoln was better than any so called self proclaimed prophets..Lincoln abolished this barbaric practice…He never gave means and ways of treating slaves,which is a ridiculous effort to justify slavery,but uprooted slavery…
@@Hitchens-k9s well said. sabbir Ali is knowingly bull shitting.
A merciful God can never sanctioned slavery.
@@Hitchens-k9slmao muhammed pbuh freed 30,000 plus slaves. He would buy slaves just to free them
@@Hitchens-k9s you just said nothing
i wish Islam just straight up ordered muslims to free all slaves and be slave only to God and no human. All of this confusion would be avoided.
07:24 *So we can simply choose the meaning of God's Word, freely?*
No book has been written with passages that have hundreds of meanings. Qur'an 4:25 shows the actual meaning, and people could even marry slaves.
this why u need hadith to give background info. read the background
The Mathaa-ib have already written the tafseer and fiqh of this issue, and it's not the far stretched apologetic like this, may Allah ta'aala guide us all to what pleases Him. May He forgive our mistakes aameen
Jabir bin `Abdullah was heard to say:
“We used to sell our slave women and the mothers of our children (Umahat Awaldina) when the Prophet (ﷺ) was still living among us, and we did not see anything wrong with that.”Grade: Sahih (Darussalam)
Reference : Sunan Ibn Majah 2517
In-book reference : Book 19, Hadith 6
English translation : Vol. 3, Book 19, Hadith 2517
You have posted this hadith without context. Umar (ra) forbade this practice when he came to power and the matter was brought to his attention. Concubines who had produced children for their masters were forbidden to be to sold and became free upon the master's death.
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You are absolutely right Sir
I think we need to reconsider our thought process. Allah is all-knowing and all-powerful, and hence the eternity of the glorious Qur’an. Due to the omniscience of Allah, the Qur’an is written linguistically in such a manner that whenever the moral value of something might change the implication is instilled in the very text that represents Allah’s will.
So it is important for us to contemplate on the fact that whenever Allah is talking about the legality of an intercourse He is using the phrase which literally means "what your right hand posses"? Isn’t it obvious that Allah is deliberately using a unique and probably first introduced phrase instead of a word with a well established meaning? Of course it is. It is quite evident that the obscurity of the phrase establishes lenience of its application to a wide variety of situation with different implications.
The very construction of the phrase and the use of the term "right hand" make it more probable to the meaning of “something righteous and just” and “something on the right path” or “something that will not cause injustice to anyone related”. Then the use of the word "possess" is indicative of authority of being the legally or lawfully correct. So, quite certainly the statement has time and situation specific significance, and cannot directly condone a particular set of actions in a timeless manner, rather it's more likely the word is time-bound, and situation specific and can endorse or invalidate the same action depending upon time and circumstances. In short the word "what your right hand posses" indicates the legitimacy of the relations that are morally, ethically and lawfully correct under the scenario prevailing at the time of action, regarding family structure, social values, national and international regulations.
bruh Allah doesn't exist, stop reading the book and start being a human.
Rofl. Cope
im pretty convinced it means slaves
Nice attempt at sugar coating and defending the indefensible!!
I find it intriguing that amidst all of the talk and double-talk Humans make of bonding, partnering and marriage the item that gets the least attention seems to be the aspect of "caring". AFAIK the original idea of marriage was a division of responsibilities and roles as it relates to peoples' ability and strength. Where did we ever get this tittering/chuckling/smirking preoccupation with sex and who gets to do what with whom? I wonder how many Westerners would get married if they had to commit to support and provender BEFORE the ceremony rather than prove it afterwards. FWIW.
Ex muslims exposing all these explanations, ISLAM IS COLLAPSING FAST
Islam is the fastest growing religion on the planet, in fact one of its fastest growing segments are that of white British and European women averaging age 27
This statistic is only because of the law of apostasy which is a reason why apostates dont advertise their leaving Islam, multiple wives birthing lots of Muslim children and the questionable census' of Muslim countries over estimating their Muslim populations
@@ajmartinez1470 Lol the desperation is so pathetic 😂😂😂
@@ajmartinez1470 in fact, Hispanics and Latinos are one of the fastest growing segments of the Muslim community in the United States, with some estimates suggesting that as many as one in five new converts are Latino. In 2017, the Pew Research Center reported that 8% of all Muslim American adults were Latino, up from 1% in 2009. The American Muslim Association of North America also notes that South Florida, which has a large Hispanic population, has a growing number of Latino Muslims
@@Checkeroute you are loved by God man I wish you all the best
Let's remember the prophet pbuh taught us to free slaves so it is clear which one it is...
Well you have to admit that the biblical way is simpler and better. One man and one woman, faithful to each other for life. God's way is best.
That's just ignoring the reality of the problem , the effect of which can be observed in widespread extramarital relationships in current times. An example is the case of Ashley Madison data breach. So I'm not sure what you exactly mean when you say "God's way is best" but clearly enforcing what you deem to be "God's way" is not working very well for a lot of people even in christian majority societies.
@@sef2202 Thank you for your insightful comment. I would question what you believe to be the purpose of divine revelation? Is it to reveal the perfect eternal character of God to mankind? Or is it to dictate a set of rules for human beings to live by? The latter depends on context, environment, culture, etc. It is a mistake to try to force a 21st century global society to fit into the mold of a 9th century caliphate. God's people will do their very best to live by his perfect standard and still fail, while unbelievers will have their own standards and still fall short of that. God does not set a lower "evil standard" beyond which human beings are "safe". That is the way human beings set their own rules to judge others. God just says, "Be perfect, as your heavenly father is perfect." Only Jesus was able to live that perfect life. The rest of us can only sit in silence and awe.
@@peterhwang1860 just so that we clear, the christian majority societies are the ones who are trying to enforce their understanding of the 0th/1st century biblical law by legally enforcing "God's way" of 1-1 matrimonial model. Muslim majority societies on the other hand have a bit more leeway in this matter, so let's recognize that reality first before talking about 9th century caliphate laws etc.
About the intent behind divine revelation, this is a deep subject, I believe it's a bit of both. God does not need our worship in any way, but it is to our benefit to recognize Him in His majesty, and live by the standards He set for us since as our creator He knows what is best for us.
About the lower "evil standard" that you mentioned, that's your interpretation. I believe the options God has left open for us are not evil, the forbidden actions on the other hand are (in a relative way). This idea that God only gives people one perfect option and everything else is evil causes a feeling of subconscious alienation resulting in mass exodus from a religiously principled lifestyle, which we frankly are seeing in christian majority societies in front of our very eyes.
Allah knows best.
@MUHAMMADSAWPBUH.Prophet.Warrior.LovingHusband. The Bible records history, and sometimes within that history, people do things that God does not approve. Every example of polygamy in the Bible leads to sin and grief. But God's intention for purity and monogamy in marriage has been clear from the beginning in Genesis 2:24 and Matthew 19:4-6.
Polygyny and slavery were allowed in Jewish law and Jesus did nothing to change that. So, the biblical way is the same as the ancient arabic way. The idea of monogamy was not in the bible. The marriage at Cana did not specify how many wives the man was marrying either. So, what do you mean?
What I don’t understand is the Quran says don’t take another man’s wife, except the married woman your right hand possesses. So it is ok to take another man’s wife if she is not Muslim, it sounds like Islam is racist.
You don't know the definition of the term racist at all because this has nothing to do with race
@@Checkeroute sorry I mean discriminating
@@jayne5300 I won't argue with that
yeah if she isn't muslim AND kaafir. Those are two different things. Not every non muslim is kaafir. Anyway, yeah still weird.
There is nothing honorable about slave ownership. Period.
Quran is not simple to interpret?
I ussualy see that translation is a problem the quran in arabic is much more clear . English is a very diffrent laungege that has things arabic doesnt like words being male or female and others that can make translation harder to understand .
Nowhere in the entire quran or hadeeth does it say Allah or prophet muhammed pbuh say they allowed to sleep with the right hand posses before marrying them....nowhere does islam allow slaves, Prophet muhammed pbuh forbid raiding free people and and taking them as slaves ,the right hand posseses means the women captured through war only(provided they fought them unjustly) but nowhere does it allow to sleep with them unless you marry them..... quran says clearly in sura 90 the righteous path is to free slaves and prophet muhammed pbuh when was given safiyya binti hayy freed her then married her and encouraged men to free slaves.There was no way he was a hypocrite to not take his own advice and keep mariam as a concubine,she was his wife.
ur leaving out hadiths in ur interpretations
He is talking alternatives but missing one important part of any interpretation, context. In 4 3 As far as I know is about men taking wives, multiple are encouraged. If you can't do right by the tempting young orphans from the war then marry others or your slave girls. I think that's about it.
He proved that this book is from devil
This is the religion that Jesus followed
please remove the video. topic not necessary., only creates more confusion. focus on teaching
No brother this is important especially because non-muslims use this against Islam
RIGHT HAND POSSESSION…. May I ask any learned scholar..Am I correct in understanding that if a woman is married and has suffered from serious forms of domestic abuse over years, whereby the husband has BROKEN THE MARRIAGE CONTRACT! Because MEN are meant to PROTECT THEIR WIVES ( SURAH 4?)….Can another man possess that woman with his right hand, thus freeing the woman from an abusive relationship ? Which ultimately will save a woman from the desire to commit adultery, which is a MAJOR SIN POSSIBLY WORSE THAN MURDER.
She has the right to divorce the husband. Free people cannot be taken as slaves. So the answer to your question is no.
Wao....even with his effort to explain, the shear diabolical nature of this is beyond belief. Islam is clearly from the devil. Please muslim for the sake of your eternal salvation turn to Christ Jesus your God and my God and be saved. I say this with love.
Jesus say's God is devil(Mark 12,29, arabic Bible)?
Quran 19,30.
Matthew 12,18 - from devil?
Jesus was a Muslim and taught Islam
*As most comments say, it's a nice try, but I'm still unconvinced*
*People owned slaves at that time, and the Quran looks pretty simple to understand. It *IS** *allowing you to have relationships with slaves if you treat them like your wives.* To claim that your wives are your “possessions” when this words have been clearly used for slaves is hella strange...
it is halal permissible for us to have relations will any number of slaves we possess and sell them. it is halal, mercy for men. men have risked lives in war and get bounty reward. taste of heaven
With consent marriage is halal what about prophets marriage to ayesha
And if you fear that you will not deal justly with the orphan girls, then marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline [to injustice]. Quran 4:3
6:07…. This has made me question the validity of the doctors statement. Referring to spouses twice is unnecessary. The video was in an argumentative manner against the verse, who are we to deny the laws?
Dr. Shabir seems to like going against the consensus of all the classical scholars and come to his own liberal conclusions.
@@Halal_Dan Now you started blame shabbir ally for hide reality. foolish, get a life
@@Halal_Dan He does not go against the scholars only, but against even what Allah says!
This is quite a unique take and i dont think most mufassiroon would agree with this.
i am still not convinced and satistified, about right hand posses.
Taking all of islamic teachings into account it makes a lot more sense as he even said . Thats why in the comments muslims seem to be more satisfied and praising him because they know a lot of other stuff . In my opnion the vidoi shouldve been longer to eloberate on this
Taking all of islamic teachings into account it makes a lot more sense as he even said . Thats why in the comments muslims seem to be more satisfied and praising him because they know a lot of other stuff . In my opnion the vidoi shouldve been longer to eloberate on this
On such topics the questioner should be male not female. I don't understand how can her father, brother or her husband can see her asking such question to a na mehram.
This has to fix!
Unacceptable at all!!
But I really love shabir ally❤
She is his daughter...
Allah can do everything but write a book that's simple and coherent.
A MERE MAN HAS TO INTERPRET THE WORDS OF HIS CREATOR.
who said religion was meant to be simple? if it was then everyone would follow it, where is the test? like have u ever tried thinking for once?
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I didn't say religion. I said the book. You know the thing that's suppose to ANSWER everything?
It ain't a riddle book. But apparently it acts like one.
You can have your test when you've actually done a good job teaching.
Imagine a vague af teacher, who taught everything metaphorically, who then gets mad at their own students for failing the test.
Edit: And not only that, the teacher is also the examiner, who made that vague af test, with multiple answers to choose from, which are equally rediculous. (If you couldn't tell, I'm referring to other religions)
What if back in those days, Allah used the word 'computer' or 'robots' would anybody know what he was talking about?
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If they are within the context of importance, why not?
I mean, he sure talks about heaven and hell a lot. What do we know about those?
And he should talk about heaven and hell as much as he did, because this life is about our actions/deeds and where we go after this journey. Do you want encyclopedias to memorize and study or one simple book with certain important topics on morals? @@V1kram
And those who guard their private parts. Except from their wives or those their right hands possess, for indeed, they are not to be blamed. Quran 70:29-30
I thought this was like the maids who put the hot water in their tubs could see them naked.
AlHamdulilah for the prophets progeny and the imams (a.s) they provide so much clarity compared to all of this conjecture and hearsay
The Messenger of Allah, "a beautiful pattern of conduct", owned slaves and muslims traded slaves for 1300 years (slavery and human trafficking were prohibited in Saudi Arabia in 1962) . Not enough?
If they had followed Prophet Muhammad they would not have slaves
Jazakallah Dr Shabir
Sounds like he is tip toeing around the subject
And do not marry polytheistic women until they believe. And a believing slave woman is better than a polytheist, even though she might please you. And do not marry polytheistic men [to your women] until they believe. And a believing slave is better than a polytheist, even though he might please you. Those invite [you] to the Fire, but Allah invites to Paradise and to forgiveness, by His permission. And He makes clear His verses to the people that perhaps they may remember. Quran 2:221
Polytheistic women who are free. It does not relate to the female slaves.
can u sell those whom what your right hand possess
According to Islam, yes. Also, according to Islam, an army man who captured 15 female slaves can sleep with 15 captured woman and then sell them off. But in Old testament you cannot sleep with a slave. Act of intercrs.. is sacred and only can be performed with a wife. So if one wants to have a relation with a woman they must upgrade the slave to a wife Israelite status with dignity. She can then never ever be sold as a slave again. If the man finds her displeasing uncooperative then the man needs to let her go freely. This is all found in the Old testament book of Deuteronomy chapter 21 verses 10 to 14. Of course the final reveal of Revelation of Jesus reveals the higher standard to follow from now, regarding 1 wife and "Do unto others as you want them doing to you".
He doesn't even seem to believe what he is saying.
Subhanallah
Being a conqueror during the Caliphate Era must be fun ,😋
you weren't paying attention to anything the doctor said it seems 🤔
@checkmattee222 in summary Shabir's explanation: 'we don't know the meaning, Allah knows best'
Not as much fun as it was for the Greco-Roman
I have to say that I am not convinced about the right hand argument, but I agree on general message of Qur'an about humanity. This kind of discourse is one thing I love about Islam, thank you, Dr. Shabir ...
Let's move to the reported sunna of the prophet pbuh, one more topic before conclusion 😁
As we known in Islam a person must be married to that person before having sexual relations with anybody. Why didn't Allah just use the term 'slave' or slave girl? instead of using "what your right hands possess". Allah didn't, thus could this be referring to something else? Note Hands is plural. How many right hands are possessing something? Maybe there's a deeper meaning which has nothing to do with slaves.
If you don't know, original quran verses are in Arabic....
Right hand possess means slave....
Does anyone know any good books for arguing that the earliest Islamic sources are not violent?
Nope
Any good books the old Christian aren't violent or deceptive
@@DONTHATETHEPLAYA321 you asking seriously or sarcastically? I'm being serious.
@@DONTHATETHEPLAYA321 And I don't mean a source saying they are devoid of violence. I just want an academic defense of the actions saying they are in retaliation for something, or warranted. Specifically for Sirat Rasul Allah.
Why would they be non-violent when they were constantly being warred against by disbelievers?
This is what happens when you interpret the Quran without considering the sunnah. This is not a new thing.
So, everything in the Quran could be interpreted as anything , therefore no two people can practice the same islam? There is no objective truth in islam?
right hand possess wow where is the word (hand) ? where is the word (right) ? Idont see them
can you find me word جواري in whole quran means slaves? can you find me سبايا in whole quran means captive women ? why wd god not used the right word captive and slaves in quran ? such wrong translation !!! it
means : exept what you possess faithfully exept ur women who u are already married with weather she is ur pair sharing same culture and got children or she is christian or other religion wich relate to ملك اليمين
also it always written in the past ملكت means possess in the past
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it means exept what you have had gain some right over her righteously or by faith
there is 2 kind of women to marry in quran
زوج pair
or women who you have got married from christian or jews = ملك اليمين
Verse 33:50 makes it clear that the Quran speaks about two different kind of women, the second kind are slave-women, and there's a bunch of other verses in the Quran that condones slavery, so this verse is not unique in this case.
23:6
Your legal partners
Or those who you have a faithful commitment to
Thank you
Keeping slaves is inhuman. This can't be from Allah
In the sense of white men yes
مَلَكَتْ
أَيْمَانُكُمْ
“Those who possess your oath”. That’s not slaves or concubines!
These are the women in question!
[60:10] O you who believe, when believing women (abandon the enemy and) ask for asylum with you, you shall test them. GOD is fully aware of their belief. Once you establish that they are believers, you shall not return them to the disbelievers. They are not lawful to remain married to them, nor shall the disbelievers be allowed to marry them. Give back the dowries that the disbelievers have paid. You commit no error by marrying them, so long as you pay them their due dowries. Do not keep disbelieving wives (if they wish to join the enemy). You may ask them for the dowry you had paid, and they may ask for what they paid. This is GOD's rule; He rules among you. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.
And this the “oath” they make!
[60:12] O you prophet, when the believing women (who abandoned the disbelievers) to seek asylum with you pledge to you that they will not set up any idols besides GOD, nor steal, nor commit adultery, nor kill their children, nor fabricate any falsehood, nor disobey your righteous orders, you shall accept their pledge, and pray to GOD to forgive them. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
These women are entitled to inheritance!
[4:33] For each of you, we have designated shares from the inheritance left by the parents and the relatives. Also those who pledged their oath/allegiance, you shall give them their due share. GOD witnesses all things.
They’re designated an income!
[24:33] Those who cannot afford to get married shall maintain morality until GOD provides for them from His grace. Those who’s oaths you possess who wish to be given the record, you shall grant them their record once you realize that they are honest. And give them from GOD's money that He has bestowed upon you. You shall not force your girls to oppression seeking the materials of this world, if they wish to be chaste. If anyone forces them, then GOD, seeing that they are forced, is Forgiver, Merciful.
You marry these women and if they commit adultery their punishment is half that of the known women!
[4:25] Those among you who cannot afford to marry known believing women, may marry believing pledged/oath women. GOD knows best about your belief, and you are equal to one another, as far as belief is concerned. You shall obtain permission from their relatives before you marry them, and pay them their due dowry equitably. They shall maintain moral behavior, by not committing adultery, or having secret lovers. Once they are married if they commit adultery, their punishment shall be half of that for the known women.for those fearing to fall in sin. To be patient is better for you. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.
And lastly, this verse rules out slavery!
[47:4] If you encounter (in war) those who disbelieve, you may strike the necks. If you take them as captives you may set them free or ransom them, until the war ends. Had GOD willed, He could have granted you victory, without war. But He thus tests you by one another. As for those who get killed in the cause of GOD, He will never put their sacrifice to waste.
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What do you mean, this cant be from Allah? Absolute fact is that Islam says that it is one of the best deeds to free slaves. And to free the opressed
@@IMHS21 then why prophet didn’t free his slaves. Why war captives were raped. Who will believe this is from a merciful Allah? Are we all duffers?
@@NRFP what Help?
Its an issue with the quran when you need a scholar to explain it. Why didnt allah make it easy for people to learn and not misinterpret.
Scholars should not take interpretations as God's rulings. There is no evidence that rape or any extra marital sex is allowed. Those 'right hand possessed' should be married giving her bride gift as per verse 4:25. Verse 4:24 should be read along with v.25; not with v.23.
Keep the commandments, follow the Quran and none can enslave you.
So proud a ex muslim. how muslim force on young women for make slave(concubine & sell them when their own mom & sister also women ? shameful
@@NRFP
Any woman regardless of who is she related with becomes a criminal if she breaks the law of God
@@TheMuslimImam How she break law? first muslim attacked their country & take them. read history about ottoman then talk
@@TheMuslimImamIts also disrespect & absence sunnah of prophet(s).
@@NRFP It's haram to enslave free people, Allah will be their opponent on the Day of Judgement.
As a revert, I've really been struggling to accept the concept of multiple wives being permissible. I am so grateful to Dr. Shabir Ally for bringing me comfort in continuing my journey with Islam.
Multiple wives is usually encouraged when it is to save orphans and widows. If you don’t want your husband to marry one more wife, you can discuss that before marriage because he is not allowed to do so….
@@mansibagri3314 Thank you I understand, it's very difficult with all the craziness of social media. All the comments left by Muslim boys who it seems their whole mission is to have 4 wives when they can't even get one! Shouldn't our main goal be to find a loving spouse who wants to worship Allah by your side? Culture has such a root in what people believe to be Islam. The only issue people can find with Islam comes from certain hadiths and culture, but not the Quran!
@@abigailtownsend5598 multiple wives + female slaves, say it as it is 😂
hey sis, most these comments are just jokes in retaliation to woman who make jokes about wanting a super rich man etc, dont think much of it, believe me, most men want one wife to be the love of their wife. Sure, having multiple is permissible provided that u can love and provide for them all equally, and they are all okay with it, but such men of high values to be able to do that is very rare these days, there was no man as great as the Prophet. He was able to have multiple wives being the perfect man that he is, and ofc, which woman wouldnt want to marry the messenger of Allah@@abigailtownsend5598
you cant defend it ... throw it in the bin.. its an outdated text.
The tafsir says otherwise 😂😂😂😂😂😂 sahih hadiths put that verse in its right context
indeed, they have no shame, they have no Truth in Them thats why they have to lie about their own Religion
And tell the believing women to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts and not expose their adornment except that which [necessarily] appears thereof and to wrap [a portion of] their headcovers over their chests and not expose their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, their brothers' sons, their sisters' sons, their women, that which their right hands possess, or those male attendants having no physical desire, or children who are not yet aware of the private aspects of women. And let them not stamp their feet to make known what they conceal of their adornment. And turn to Allah in repentance, all of you, O believers, that you might succeed. Quran 24:31
Why do Muslims leaders give a long confusing justication for a simple answer. You cam tell she not buying his long answer. I thought Allah said he makes things clear and easy to understand. Lol.
Still in doubt....no support fact but his own view
The funny thing is that the meaning of right hand possess was taken as slaves starting from Muhammad to a few decades ago and now when infidels have forced the Muslim countries to stop slavery, Muslim scholars found a new meaning of right hand possess to suit infidels's laws. Bravo!!! 😀😀
Marrying slaves makes more sense than believing a prophet of God to be God 😂😂😂😂
In Muslim but it talks about war captives which were also referred as slaves in ancient time
3:51
I like she has the power to interupt and correct him.
SHE WOULD'VE BEEN KILLED HAD THIS HAPPENED IN A MUSLIM COUNTRY.
What? 😂
Numbers 31 : 18
No, in old testament, intercors.. can't be made with slave. Intercos can .. only with married wife-status with dignity. Female prisoners can't be used as s(...)slaves objects for male private-pleasure. Any man who's interested in a captured woman must upgrade her status to dignity of wife and treat her as israelite status. An army man can't go around sleeping with 15 captured female slaves just because "right hand possess" . Old testament says that after marriage, man needs to let a her go freely And Never Sell her as slave if the man finds her displeasing uncooperative. This is standard old testament book of Deuteronomy 21: 10-14. Jesus mentioned that because of men's hardened stubborn hearts God allowed for a time some old testament laws with regulations. Without the power of the Holy Spirit that came with Jesus on the people practicing perfection in behavior was tough. But now with the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit on followers of Jesus, now Jesus increased the standard to perfection. One wife, and "Do unto others as you want them do to you". Please ask the Holy Spirit to fill the heart. He can help in the name of Jesus Christ.
كل ما قلته تراهات وخزعبلات يا دكتور!
This topic makes me , dont talk about this topic. please
It does NOT mean right hand possession!!
It means those you have taken an oath of faithfulness from!!
And it relates to a time in history when people used to Mary based on an oath between themselves rather than an oppen legal declaration
I'm thinking that if the Quran wanted this to refer to slaves, it would have explicitly used the world slave. Maybe its for us to really ponder over, to gain knowledge
what a joke ...guard your private part except spouse and spouse ? wow ...eptome of mental gymnastics!
What a knowledgeable and eloquent man.
This is the biggest deceptive explanation I have seen!!!!
Exactly I'm Muslim I have the Quran ...he not being str8 up with it
No it’s not you ignorant person. You don’t know anything.
@@islamaboyy588No he isn’t. Go on explain it to us all? I bet you also think you can beat your wife.
@@Truth_Seeker1 yeah your wife probably beats you lol 😆...I'm the man and wear the 👖 in my marriage.
@@islamaboyy588 You are the ignorant person who doesn’t know anything. He explained the words and their meanings. You don’t know anything did you know some of the commentary were copied from what the Jews and Christian’s thought at that time? The commentary for 4:157 was copied most from some Christians at that time thought. They thought Judas was killed on the cross instead of Jesus.
As per Qaran, If you fight Muslim and you win,
You can keep his wife/daughters/sisters/mothers as Mal E Ghanimat and have a boom boom with them without marriage.
And Further can auction them in the market.
Make sure they are not pregnant, so that you will get a lesser price.
Am I correct from verses of Qaran?
How about mentioning the verses?
If we agree that owning another human being is unethical and wrong, why did Mohammed not simply stop slavery if God was on his side? Stopping an evil such as slavery includes stop owning slaves yourself, stop having sex with them, and stop buying and selling them. A slave by definition, cannot consent or reject being made to have sex -they don’t own their own bodies. Would you agree to a non Muslim friend or colleague being made a slave ? How about your sisters? And forced into sexual slavery?
Bruh the slaves of that time mentioned about the treatment they use to get from the sahabis hazrat muhammad saw told us to treat a slave with honor share the same food with them don't treat them badly if they capture some kafirs from the war they didn't punish them or sentence them death they just try to make there life more meaningful and without there consent they cannot have s*x
Slavery was faded out in arabia because of islam a slower aprouch is better as history tells us . and aquirment of slaves is prisoners of war .
And a slave in islam is much diffrent then a western slave . Can a western slave be leader of a nation no in islam he could great nations came from slaves even . There are other examples btw
@@momoustboga4668 Would you be a slave or allow your family to become slaves? Do you know that in the Koran a slave women is not allowed to cover the upper part of her body? And you would be ok with your wife or sister being a slave according to the Islamic definition? Ok.
i think it had to do with how economically vital slaves were at the time.
Why muslim lineage go through men
Every lineage goes trough men not only muslim . In the west last name goes from father to daughters to son and idk why this is
lol this was just a bunch of word salad a nonsensical logic
Right hand possession = prize women won from war. ...side chick's basically....NOT WIVES