@@ianmarsden8568 warmest March on record and warmest year on record, topping the 1.5 degrees average for the first time. Heat records are now being broken every year. Droughts are cropping up all over Africa and the Middle East. Southern Europe is getting hotter and crops are struggling Then you have the increasing wild fires and floods all over the place These events have always happened occasionally, but now they’re happening constantly
Also constant building means the earth does not absorb and slowly release. We now get a Flash Flood effect. We know what it will be blamed on and we know what it will not be blamed on !
@@colintravellervastly reduced dredging since the demise of shipbuilding….flooding is not uncommon due to high spring tides, especially at the Gut in Willington Wallsend
In the past there was ship building and the river was better maintained. Farms had ditches around fields that were cleared annually. Every year we have high spring tides but the incentives for river maintenance are in the past.
Don't forget the floods of 2012. I remember the Castle Garth steps looking like a waterfall and a few of the bars (like Offshore 44 and Bob Trollops) got flooded.
My best wishes goes to everyone along the Tyne. I live in the U.S. now, but my family is from Newcastle upon Tyne, and my heart is broken seeing this damage.
Calm down, mate! It's a a bit wetter than normal, coinciding with the spring tide! It's hardly biblical. Your thoughts might be with the people of Newcastle but really, mate, they're going to be fine.
Its because the tyne is no longer dredged for shipping, the silt and mud builds up leaving less room for the water. They need to start dredging the river along the quayside to stop it flooding
@@TynesideLife Same here in the Lincolnshire Fens, most of the rivers have been left to silt up by the Environment agency as they claim they have no money to do the dredging. Funny how the goverment can find £6m a day to house those who shouln't be here though.
Dredging in Sunderland ended up digging up all sorts of nasty toxins from the industrial era that killed a vast amount of sea life. So sometimes there are unintended consequences!
Dredging isn't always the solution, without a detailed survey it would just be a guess and the next big tide could reverse months of work rendering it pointless.
Hi Eddie, I believe the river isn't dredged because of all the nasties in the silt after years of heavy industries, It would be great to deepen the river to prevent flooding but a environment disaster disaster for all the fish, crabs ect living in the river. Tuesdays events were out of the ordinary with very high tides and heavy rain at the same time! Cheers Mark!
The Tyne is tidal so it's always like a thick soup underwater dredging makes no difference also it's only the middle of the river dredged but with no shipping, authorities don't bother.
They don’t use a suction dredger any more but the rivers depth is maintained by towing a large gate type bar which lifts the silt and the current takes it away . The flooding is due to low pressure which basically means you get higher tides due to less pressure on the water surface , when you get spring tides which are the highest of the high tides combined with low pressure storms system with lots of access water coming into the Tyne from the hills etc you get a bottle neck of water ..the Tyne is tidal so at high tide the water coming down can’t get out until the tide turns .The quayside at the fish market where the swing bridge actually dips and is lower than the other parts of the quayside hence why the Tyne breaches here ,,,
Bless you and your lovely Geordie accent….my Mum was a Geordie from ConsettCounty Durham. I sued to go up there many a time and I’ve been to Corbridge too……I haven’t been up Geordie land for ages though
"British author and former sheep farmer Philip Walling wrote an article in the (Newcastle) Chronicle that highlights one of the causes of the recent North-West England floods - which is the near complete cessation of dredging of British rivers since the government was required to accept the European Water Framework Directive (EWF) into UK law in 2000."
Love to everyone and my thoughts are with you all, hoping that the situation improves on Tyneside from Ayrshire! I'm Scottish but my dad's mother, sister as well as her daughter were from Ashington in Northumberland, used to holiday a lot around Northumberland and Country Durham as well as day trips to Newcastle and the Metrocentre then I quickly fell in love with the area.
The river tyne I see it everday from my workplace window, was only saying to my boss last saturday 6th april, " the tyne looks high today ", have seen the tyne on many occasions over the years burst its banks newcastle quayside, read a report years back that metal flood barriers where going to be placed on the newcastle quayside end, them councillors man, I know on the gateshead side the river is 13 foot ( 4 metres ) above sea level. The keilder dam also on occasion releases water into our rivers and streams, which causes the tyne to rise.
Wow! I used to live just off the quayside - and I never, ever saw the river levels rise to that extent! Hope it subsides soon, and doesn’t breach the defences (coming from Bewdley in Worcs - where it floods most years, and although we have some excellent flood barriers, the river level has breached the defences twice in the last couple of years).
My thoughts are with the geordies its a beautiful sunny day here in rural Ontario, we had the total eclipse pass over us yesterday but clouds spoiled the view and last week we had 6inches of snow, crazy weather but over in the toon Eddy on the ball, as usual, telling it like it is. Best content on the net, you want to know what life on Tyneside is like you know where to go.
Well Eddie, if you don't dredge any river mate and you've solar eclipses or full moons going on expect flooding to be the norm due to the gravitational forces.
I was asking Bing's Co-pilot yesterday what that flood likelihood would be like for Britain with rising water levels.. And then the NE. And this was just yesterday :S And now this video O_O Bloody hell.
Another great video, Eddy. I lived in Durham for over 20 years and saw the Wear breach the banks in the city many times but I've never seen it happen in Newcastle ever. Hopefully there has been little damage to properties.
There was some guy commenting on here about the cost of flood defences for the Tyne river. He worked on the river maintainece team, years ago. Their job was to regularly remove sludge from the bottom of the river. Taking the sludge further up and further out of the Tyne. This lowered the river bed, preventing the Tyne from bursting its banks. But he believes this is not done any more. So the Tyne will burst its banks now, as is proven today. Why is it, councils do not know this? Waisting council taxes on new flood defences. Because they neglected to maintain the river properly for years. The answer is obviously to remove the sludge from the river bed as, historicly, previously done.
This is a common occurrence with high spring tides. Council used to deal with it quietly, now we have the environment agency making a big song and dance. Not so many years ago it was all the way along to the law courts. All we really have there is a big puddle behind the guildhall. Probably requires a £50 million council tax increase to solve this.
Wow I’m from North Shields and it’s not to bad down here. But it normally floods the quayside. This rain is crazy I’ve never seen so much. I’m a golfer and I’ve had only 7 games since last October 2023 as my course gosforth has been closed lots of times it’s a nightmare . Cheers Eddie a good update pal.
I can not believe this. I have never seen Tyne burst its banks, I don't live on tyneside now, but at 79 years old and born 600 yards from St James Park, I would never have believed this is possible, God I miss Newcastle.
It's about time we opened up our rivers so they flow naturally and the sediment washes out to sea. We don't need the wiers that we installed back in the 1800s for the Mills. Half the problem is the rivers beds are higher due to sedimentation.
And I bet their will still be a hosepipe ban this summer. 😂 As for flooding rivers and estuarys the problem is they aren't managed like they use to be, they aren't dredged and fill with silt and rubbish.
Hi Eddie, Remember last year all those dead shell fish after they dredged the Tees, Of course no evidence was found, It was only a coincidence that they dredged the river for lord Ben Houchens projects and all the shell fish died 😂😂😂😂, Our Tyne is now a clean river some say best salmon river in England, I remember in 70'S it stank walking along those rickitie wooden surfaces. A different world now. Cheers Mark.
this part of the river used to flood all the time, I worked in Tyne bridge tower and the fish quay was always under water with the high spring tides. watching the cars going up to their axels in seawater was nerve wracking. I would never park over there.
As someone who worked on the river in the mid sixties this is Spring and these are neiptides, this was a common thing every year and if the wind was blowing at flood time this is what you got. I came in one morning to my diving boat and couldn't get to my boat it was floating above the dock lock I had to wait untill it had ebbed a bit before I could board it, so this is not uncommon like climate changers would like you to believe.
I now live in Bedford. Recently the great Ouse burst its banks and flooded so much area. Fortunately its was all mostly flood plains. Bedford where I live north of the river is on a hill but low level was very close to flooding.
Probably not helped by the recent eclipse, funnily enough. We get spring tides every two weeks, where the tides are really high. The Sun and the Moon pull along the same straight line, but being so perfectly aligned as to cause an eclipse might increase that effect.
The tyne is not getting dredged like it use too, if you go further up stream to Newcastle Business park, opposite dunstan staithes at low tide he silt is close to closing the river on both banks.
We live in Cornwalland it has been raining here since November.Maybe even late October.6/7 days a week, heavy rain.Its hit farming, my garden is soaked and all broccoli etc ruined. Chemtrails all the time.Winds are high too it’s dreadful in SW this last winter.My dairy farm neighbour is going broke,Poor guy.
They stopped dredging, It's to be expected that it will flood, the extra silt will cause the extra volume of spring water to overflow, it's got to go somewhere..
Who needs the northeast news when you have tyneside life uncensored 😅
I've stopped trusting mainstream news and would much rather watch people like Tyneside Life 👍
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The 8am news this morning on BBC Radio 3 reported that 'March broke temperature records'.
@@ianmarsden8568 warmest March on record and warmest year on record, topping the 1.5 degrees average for the first time.
Heat records are now being broken every year.
Droughts are cropping up all over Africa and the Middle East. Southern Europe is getting hotter and crops are struggling
Then you have the increasing wild fires and floods all over the place
These events have always happened occasionally, but now they’re happening constantly
This is the result of NOT dredging.
Also constant building means the earth does not absorb and slowly release. We now get a Flash Flood effect. We know what it will be blamed on and we know what it will not be blamed on !
Definitely, if you don't clean silt out of pipes, they can't hold as much water, same applies to rivers, but the authorities won't listen.
No this is the result of geo engeneering.
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Well if they dredged the river like they used to this wouldn't happen. It's silted up!
Think they need to dredge that part of the river , been years since I’ve seen a dredger in the Tyne
Aaawwww don't mention dredging..... the powers that be want to blame it all on climate change.
Thank you for sharing this. I'm watching from Missouri USA. We get floods from the Mississippi and Missouri rivers.
Don't forget the tornados 😂
In my youth, I remember seeing and hearing about routine dredging of the river. I wonder how often that happens today, if at all?
Depends how busy the river is with shipping traffic .
@@colintravellervastly reduced dredging since the demise of shipbuilding….flooding is not uncommon due to high spring tides, especially at the Gut in Willington Wallsend
This is exactly why Carlisle flooded in 2005 and 2015 and they STILL haven't dredged the Eden...
The EU stopped the dredging of alot of rivers as they said it was damaging and bad for wildlife. Go figure lol
In the past there was ship building and the river was better maintained. Farms had ditches around fields that were cleared annually. Every year we have high spring tides but the incentives for river maintenance are in the past.
Don't forget the floods of 2012. I remember the Castle Garth steps looking like a waterfall and a few of the bars (like Offshore 44 and Bob Trollops) got flooded.
My best wishes goes to everyone along the Tyne. I live in the U.S. now, but my family is from Newcastle upon Tyne, and my heart is broken seeing this damage.
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I was born in the Bonny City of Newcastle upon Tyne.I have relatives
living there.My thoughts are with the people at this time.❤️.
Calm down, mate! It's a a bit wetter than normal, coinciding with the spring tide! It's hardly biblical. Your thoughts might be with the people of Newcastle but really, mate, they're going to be fine.
Eddy with a 'VLOG' on the Tyne. Can hear the music 😊
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Its because the tyne is no longer dredged for shipping, the silt and mud builds up leaving less room for the water.
They need to start dredging the river along the quayside to stop it flooding
The answer is simple, getting the money isn’t
@@TynesideLife Same here in the Lincolnshire Fens, most of the rivers have been left to silt up by the Environment agency as they claim they have no money to do the dredging. Funny how the goverment can find £6m a day to house those who shouln't be here though.
Dredging in Sunderland ended up digging up all sorts of nasty toxins from the industrial era that killed a vast amount of sea life. So sometimes there are unintended consequences!
Dredging isn't always the solution, without a detailed survey it would just be a guess and the next big tide could reverse months of work rendering it pointless.
Bloody EU laws prevent dredging as much as we used to do! lack of waterway management
Need to collect all that rain, somebody needs it.
It's been wicked today. Just think 4 months time be red hot and in a drought 😂😂 . Sun trying to break through
It's rained for 9 months.....no reason why we will get a heatwave this year, just like we didn't get one last year..
@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne bet you're fun at parties 🎉
I don't 'do' parties.
The North East doesn't do droughts.
Will be winter again 😂
Woah the drawings of the Medeival Bridge were awesome, I'd never heard about that. So cool thanks!
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Thanks Eddie, dear me we were at the Quayside on Saturday having a lovely day in the sun, hope it doesn’t effect any of the businesses
It's been pissing down all day. Even in Gateshead where I am. We only get one sunny day a week in this country 🙄 😢
I’m sick of the bloody rain 🌧️ 😩
@@TynesideLife Dito! 😭
"one sunny day a week"???
Here in Warwickshire we haven't had a full sunny day since last October.
Mate I’m sure it’s autumn all year round up here in Gateshead 😂
Not a whole sunny day surely? We only get the odd 5 minutes interspersed with rain here in Chester.
Great video. Better coverage than the news this evening. Well done.
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Hi Eddie, I believe the river isn't dredged because of all the nasties in the silt after years of heavy industries, It would be great to deepen the river to prevent flooding but a environment disaster disaster for all the fish, crabs ect living in the river. Tuesdays events were out of the ordinary with very high tides and heavy rain at the same time! Cheers Mark!
Appreciate the insight Mark thank you. I think I’ll dig a little deeper, no pun intended 😅
The Tyne is tidal so it's always like a thick soup underwater dredging makes no difference also it's only the middle of the river dredged but with no shipping, authorities don't bother.
Screw the crabs and fishy-wishies,what about our environment? We`re going to be underwater too at this rate!😅🤣
They don’t use a suction dredger any more but the rivers depth is maintained by towing a large gate type bar which lifts the silt and the current takes it away . The flooding is due to low pressure which basically means you get higher tides due to less pressure on the water surface , when you get spring tides which are the highest of the high tides combined with low pressure storms system with lots of access water coming into the Tyne from the hills etc you get a bottle neck of water ..the Tyne is tidal so at high tide the water coming down can’t get out until the tide turns .The quayside at the fish market where the swing bridge actually dips and is lower than the other parts of the quayside hence why the Tyne breaches here ,,,
Bless you and your lovely Geordie accent….my Mum was a Geordie from ConsettCounty Durham. I sued to go up there many a time and I’ve been to Corbridge too……I haven’t been up Geordie land for ages though
Thank you 😅
"British author and former sheep farmer Philip Walling wrote an article in the (Newcastle) Chronicle that highlights one of the causes of the recent North-West England floods - which is the near complete cessation of dredging of British rivers since the government was required to accept the European Water Framework Directive (EWF) into UK law in 2000."
Great video
Eddie. Love the history woven in too.
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Thanks Eddie. Always interested in news from back home. (watching from Vancouver)
Whoah. Those sump pumps are going to wear out recycling that water. Might need to dredge if it doesn’t slow.
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Flood on the Tyne its all mine all mine
Blooming heck never seen it like the before..... But even over Durham way the is some of the roads that have turned in streams
And more rain forecast for tomorrow, hope its not too bad. Great coverage Eddy.
Well put together indeed. Congratulations
Love to everyone and my thoughts are with you all, hoping that the situation improves on Tyneside from Ayrshire! I'm Scottish but my dad's mother, sister as well as her daughter were from Ashington in Northumberland, used to holiday a lot around Northumberland and Country Durham as well as day trips to Newcastle and the Metrocentre then I quickly fell in love with the area.
Excellent eddie, I was in South shields High tide the same time, I'm sure it burst in Newcastle about 6--7 year's ago
Love watching your videos Eddie another good one today mate
The river tyne I see it everday from my workplace window, was only saying to my boss last saturday 6th april, " the tyne looks high today ", have seen the tyne on many occasions over the years burst its banks newcastle quayside, read a report years back that metal flood barriers where going to be placed on the newcastle quayside end, them councillors man, I know on the gateshead side the river is 13 foot ( 4 metres ) above sea level. The keilder dam also on occasion releases water into our rivers and streams, which causes the tyne to rise.
Wow! I used to live just off the quayside - and I never, ever saw the river levels rise to that extent! Hope it subsides soon, and doesn’t breach the defences (coming from Bewdley in Worcs - where it floods most years, and although we have some excellent flood barriers, the river level has breached the defences twice in the last couple of years).
My thoughts are with the geordies its a beautiful sunny day here in rural Ontario, we had the total eclipse pass over us yesterday but clouds spoiled the view and last week we had 6inches of snow, crazy weather but over in the toon Eddy on the ball, as usual, telling it like it is. Best content on the net, you want to know what life on Tyneside is like you know where to go.
Cheers Jim 😃 don’t mind snow, I’m just sick of the rain 🌧️ 😩
@@TynesideLife But it was the heavy wet kind and took some shoveling.
Well Eddie, if you don't dredge any river mate and you've solar eclipses or full moons going on expect flooding to be the norm due to the gravitational forces.
I was asking Bing's Co-pilot yesterday what that flood likelihood would be like for Britain with rising water levels.. And then the NE. And this was just yesterday :S And now this video O_O Bloody hell.
Thank you, better than Tyne Tees News
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Another great video, Eddy. I lived in Durham for over 20 years and saw the Wear breach the banks in the city many times but I've never seen it happen in Newcastle ever. Hopefully there has been little damage to properties.
There was some guy commenting on here about the cost of flood defences for the Tyne river. He worked
on the river maintainece team, years ago. Their job was to regularly remove sludge from the bottom of the river. Taking the sludge further up and further out of the Tyne. This lowered the river bed, preventing the Tyne from bursting its banks. But he believes this is not done any more. So the Tyne will burst its banks now, as is proven today. Why is it, councils do not know this? Waisting council taxes on new flood defences. Because they neglected to maintain the river properly for years. The answer is obviously to remove the sludge from the river bed as, historicly, previously done.
Omg we was only there on the 31st of March enjoying the quayside Market before our journey home. Hope it all calms down ❤
Great video Eddie, hope the rain calms down for Saturday's game against the spurs, hopefully see you about.
Its called spring tides ,its been happening evey year.( I worked on the river) add excess rain
Water control measures are needed upstream in the catchment area. The Tyne is tidal up to Blaydon and there are spring tides at the moment.
It's definitely rained today! Driving up the A19 this afternoon it was a river! 😅
This is a common occurrence with high spring tides. Council used to deal with it quietly, now we have the environment agency making a big song and dance. Not so many years ago it was all the way along to the law courts. All we really have there is a big puddle behind the guildhall. Probably requires a £50 million council tax increase to solve this.
Excellent and informative as ever Eddie!
Wow I’m from North Shields and it’s not to bad down here. But it normally floods the quayside. This rain is crazy I’ve never seen so much. I’m a golfer and I’ve had only 7 games since last October 2023 as my course gosforth has been closed lots of times it’s a nightmare . Cheers Eddie a good update pal.
Thanks for your update.
If the CONcils actually did the proper dredging instead of leaving the silt levels to build up, there wouldn’t be as much flooding
I have to say one reason that puts me off living in the area is the weather. You guys have had so much rain this year!
It has been dreadful 😩
Thanks for the update Eddy.
2:40 I walked across that bridge in Cockermouth last year. There are signs there showing the water was 5 feet high down the high street.
My baby was born in June last year and it hasn’t stopped raining since. Not even joking.
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I can not believe this. I have never seen Tyne burst its banks, I don't live on tyneside now, but at 79 years old and born 600 yards from St James Park, I would never have believed this is possible, God I miss Newcastle.
It happens regularly, do a quick internet search and you'll see similar incidences almost every year.
The market that used to be there has been affected by floods before I'm sure
What do you miss about the area ?
I suppose thimeans there'll be more NUFC matches postphoned through a waterlogged pitch! lol. Great vid Eddie, quick off the mark as ever.
Whaye aye min ,nae sa canny, awe the folk neeta git canoo min !
Thanks for the update Eddy. I'd love to know more about that flood in the 1700s. I had no idea about that. Do you have a video about that?
Nah, tele wasn't inveted back then sonna. 😉
I have covered it about 2 1/2 years ago in a bridges on the Tyne video but I may revisit it 👍🏻
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The Devil's playing his H.A.R.R.P and that is why the rain is falling and the waters high.
It's a plan man!
It's about time we opened up our rivers so they flow naturally and the sediment washes out to sea. We don't need the wiers that we installed back in the 1800s for the Mills.
Half the problem is the rivers beds are higher due to sedimentation.
And I bet their will still be a hosepipe ban this summer. 😂 As for flooding rivers and estuarys the problem is they aren't managed like they use to be, they aren't dredged and fill with silt and rubbish.
Hi Eddie, Remember last year all those dead shell fish after they dredged the Tees, Of course no evidence was found, It was only a coincidence that they dredged the river for lord Ben Houchens projects and all the shell fish died 😂😂😂😂, Our Tyne is now a clean river some say best salmon river in England, I remember in 70'S it stank walking along those rickitie wooden surfaces. A different world now. Cheers Mark.
Have you seen the state of the Tyne anywhere from Dunston Staithes to Scotswood Bridge at low tide? The full stretch could be dredged if need be.
the bit that flooded looks like its been designed to take any flood water
Wonders never cease 😂😂😂
Not surprised... its been crazy wet this year. My garden is like a swimming pool.
I can only think of 3 days this year where it hasn't rained.
Wow I have never seen The Tyne so high before.
It's hardly a 'great tradgedy' if a few poncey establishments get their carpets damp. 🙄
this part of the river used to flood all the time, I worked in Tyne bridge tower and the fish quay was always under water with the high spring tides. watching the cars going up to their axels in seawater was nerve wracking. I would never park over there.
As someone who worked on the river in the mid sixties this is Spring and these are neiptides, this was a common thing every year and if the wind was blowing at flood time this is what you got.
I came in one morning to my diving boat and couldn't get to my boat it was floating above the dock lock I had to wait untill it had ebbed a bit before I could board it, so this is not uncommon like climate changers would like you to believe.
Blinkin freezing in Whitley today.
I'm sure the tyne in my youth 70's n 80's flooded before
Question they need to ask, is when wss the last time it was dredged? I'm saying decades. Is it something that could help?
I was on a course yesterday in Blyth. A journey back to Whitby north Yorkshire usually takes around 2hours took 4 hours 😮
Weatherspoons on the quay could be in jeopardy.
Should document the A19 spine road eddie thats a shocker
People in work have told me about that, working/living in Cramlington, I haven't seen a lot up in Ashington thank god!
Wow. I’ll have to show me mam this. Ty so much ^^
I now live in Bedford. Recently the great Ouse burst its banks and flooded so much area. Fortunately its was all mostly flood plains. Bedford where I live north of the river is on a hill but low level was very close to flooding.
Thanks for the update
Wikipedia > cloud seeding
Hottest March since January
i've seen this happen before eddie quite a few years back it's expected to be honest when there is high tides
Probably not helped by the recent eclipse, funnily enough. We get spring tides every two weeks, where the tides are really high. The Sun and the Moon pull along the same straight line, but being so perfectly aligned as to cause an eclipse might increase that effect.
Is that pump being ran using clean energy from unicorn farts and solar pane!s
Not seen it that high before.
It is a "BIG RIVER" I really mean that. Love but RESPECT it and as for those flimsy blue flood bags?? 😢
The tyne is not getting dredged like it use too, if you go further up stream to Newcastle Business park, opposite dunstan staithes at low tide he silt is close to closing the river on both banks.
Yes ,to think ships used to sail up to Dunston ,its silting up creating mud flats now
We live in Cornwalland it has been raining here since November.Maybe even late October.6/7 days a week, heavy rain.Its hit farming, my garden is soaked and all broccoli etc ruined.
Chemtrails all the time.Winds are high too it’s dreadful in SW this last winter.My dairy farm neighbour is going broke,Poor guy.
Thanks for update. Stay safe.
Sun's out noo thank god..😮
When is Britain going to start dredging rivers again …
them damn eclipses cause so much havoc never mind 90 years for you get it again .
They stopped dredging, It's to be expected that it will flood, the extra silt will cause the extra volume of spring water to overflow, it's got to go somewhere..
Wow, I was walking down there only two weeks ago, hard to imagine it getting like this.
used to live byker never seen it like that ..... nutty
Came across from Carlisle to the RVI yesterday and the A69 was really bad in some places
Mad mate i saw the A189 Spine road was completely submerged. 😊
I would like to know about Corbridge as I lived there for many years. You said it was bad.
😮😮 my god,thats some serious water level, the tyne banks need some dutch water barrier eginering in the future😂
Take care eddy
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i live right on the south tyne at Haydon Bridge, its looking canny full from my bedroom, best get the sandbags ready 😮
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Today and tomorrow are some of the highest tides of the year. Combine the tides with huge amounts of rain and we end up with this sort of problem.