IT's quiet enough in the ROG ally and never overheats and shutsdown so. I have a quiet PC with Ryzen 9 5900x and Rx 6800 but even my steamdeck doesn't bother me when i am playing. the game audio usually all but over powers the sound of the fans running. It's a none issue. @@Mosestylez
You know they're making pretty good small pc's. At this point, someone's gotta make a 3rd party motherboard for the steam decks so you can just swap out for the newer processor like framework does for their laptops.
The only issue I could see with this is the steam deck not having enough thermal mass to manage with the higher TDP. But yeah a modular handheld that can be easily upgraded for like 5-6 years would be amazing.
@@TURBONERD i don't mind a two part system with bigger fans that doubles as jacket fan, gaming pcs are limited by thickness i wonder how far we can go with more fitting brick form factor. People are ok with beefy ass camera+lens why not brick sized portable pc
Very impressive! Linux is just great for a PC/Console like experience. Nice to see you rocking that KK3 Max. The mini PC is cute, tiny and powerful, but ahh 800 bucks ... :/
@@sedasauce5030 But can it? Looking at the Legion Go and ASUS Rog Ally, they still struggle with Switch and PS3. I'd like to see some actual benchmarks, because if this thing could run those platforms, then it'd be the perfect emulation machine really (for those who don't play portable)
@@user-ds8rj2vc4vI am trying just that. Unfortunatelly I have only two games for PS3, and they are not properly supported in emulator. Need to get games that work in the emulator and are heavy enough tp be used as a benchmark to see if it can handle PS3. Switch should be easier but I have no games from it.
@@user-ds8rj2vc4vHi, so I just tried PS3 and Gran Turismo 6. I was getting 35-45 fps once the shader compiling was over. Unfortunatelly, GT6 is still not stable. OpenGL is more stable than Vulkan for me. GT6 looks nice when its running and playing with Dual Shock
@@DS-pk4eh Most games via PCSX3 barely even run on my 10850K/6900XT desktop which is still a moderately high end system. It comes down to the newer emulators themselves just needing to be better optimized.
Because I'm usually near a power source, coupled with a portable touchscreen this has more-than replaced my Surface Pro in my "wherever I lay my hat" setup!
This is amazing and If you don't really care about 60fps you can probably lock the framerate to 30 or 40 and increase the settings to high+medium on every game + 1080p boom you got yourself a tiny PS4 or XBOX ONE
It's pretty compact has great io oculink and packs a punch if it gets cheaper, this thing would have great potential for a diy handeld conversion projects.
I bought a mini pc with a ryzen 7 5700u and 16bg of ddr4 laptop ram and its honestly a pretty good little pc. I play project zomboid and it runs it amazingly
I really like these things. On one hand I'm really tempted to get one to just carry out retrogaming duties, and get through my Steam library of games I haven't played that probably run well on this... but I'm held back thinking if the cost is worth it. I mean for less money than this, I could get a Deck or equivalent that gives more flexibility. And really what I would like/need a powerful (very compact) PC to play some AAA at max settings 1080/1440p and gamedev.
For the price is not worth it if that ll be 400 bucks i ll buy it for that price you can buy rog ally with z1 extreme chip and dock station to put on tv
I'm considering this or the V3. The price on this is nice and I love the form factor. This could fit under my car's dash. At the same time, I don't own a tablet and I'm curious what I could do with such a slim and powerful device. Decisions decisions.
It would be really nice if a bios update or something came out in the future for this thing that unlocks the TDP for higher wattage. You can see that it's clearly handling 35W perfectly fine, hovering at only around 50-60 C in games. It definitely has headroom for more power.
@ETAPRIME Amazing! Could we see two things pls? 1. This running EmuDeck (please include Rogue Squadron 2 GC and Sly Cooper P22). 2. The SteamOS streaming Steam and EmuDeck to a small Android handheld like the Retroid 4 Pro or Odin 2. Very interested if this is possible. Also, in general I'd love to see more ChimeraOS capable Mini PCs but with Dedicated GPUs. That's by far the main thing I look out for on your channel. A very small 'Steambox' capable of high 1440p gaming seems to be the future to me.
I always liked the benefit of components not bring attached to my devices. My biggest pull to mini pc > steamdeck is battery. I can always found sometype of power bank to plug in 110 or when I'm at someones house, a spare 110 outlet I can use. In steamdecks I'll be doing the same thing but knowing it'll always be consuming something on the battery makes me wonder longeviy.
if the bms is any good there should not be any draw when it is plugged in. but i agree: this plus powerbank and touch screen is better than the steamdeck. Only thing missing is good portable screens with the right form factor. Would be even more amazing if they finally made foldable portable screens.
I just ordered one of these to replace my 7yo Alienware Steam Machine R2, looking forward to seeing this up with ChimeraOS, it looks amazing for the size/price!
@@literallymp9811 it's been great! The only thing I've noticed is if I'm playing a graphics intensive game and have more than one Bluetooth controller connected, sometimes one will get a bit laggy, but otherwise it's been an excellent little gaming system for me and my kids
@Just_An_Ignacio the only problem AMD has with their gpus is their raytracing performance is always a generation behind, 6000 series had rt performance similar to the rtx 20 series, and the 7000 series has rt performance similar to the rtx 30 series, in terms of features and raster performance AMD can compete
We've only dreamed of having all these devices a few years ago, i mean yeah the switch was revolutionary but you're limited with the games made only for switch and other games that has been ported which is a very short list. Now we get to play triple a games anywhere using the steam deck, ally, legion Go. Now we have a fully pledged pc the size of a persons palm.
i’m wondering this too now that I discovered ES-DE now exists for macOS. It can’t be too much work to port RetroBat to macOS - I notice a lot of emulators (except 3ds) now run on Apple Silicon. I got my first mini in 2004 and the biggest thing holding me back is that it can’t boot into Linux when I need it to. this EM780 sure seems like the ultimate portable rig when I pair it with my iPadPro.
thank you! Mr. Prime! 😂 I had been wanting to make a gaming pc with SteamOS but didn't know if i could...im a busy guy so i hadn't looked it up. They you said "ChimeraOS" and i was like...WHUT?
@@hidden_name7469 portable is a bit of stretch. You are sort of right, but also kind of of wrong at the same time. If you consider that you can easily lug this cube around bedrooms, lounges, and offices, then yeah, it's very portable, extremely so. Hook it to a hotel TV is perfectly doable. But on the go, as in actually travelling? Not really, no. You'll have to carry a portable battery bank that's good enough capacity and wattage, a portable screen of some kind, a keyboard, and a mouse. Then you'll have to juggle all these on your lap or nearby surface. That would be clunky. A handheld pc on the other hand is self contained. Meaning that more or less the only main worry or draw is a spare power bank or mains (sometimes a keyboard as well).
I really want to know how this compares to the Legion Go or the ROG Ally Effectivvely both the same processor, but the Legion has faster RAM, and the EM780 has double the RAM of both handhelds. I am, costantly running out of VRAM, system ram, or both at minimum settings and resolution. With the EM780 having 32GB i wonder how fast it would be if you dedicated 8GB to the GPU, and left 24 for system. Normally you wouldnt expect it to matter because its all the same RAM and the GPU is allowed to use 1/2 of the system RAM so in theory, you could not dedicate any RAM and the GPU would be allowed to dynamically use up to 8GB However, it seems that game optimization will see that system RAM dedicated to VRAM as a hard limit that it tries its best to stay under resulting in dynamic detail reduction and even stuttering performance. My Legion Go is often slower than my UM790 with 64GB of 4800 RAM, it really seems to depend on if the game can stay within the 4GB i have dedicated to the Z1X on the Legion Go or if it needs the 8+GB i have dedicated on the UM790, or if it is "poorly optimized" and is allowed to spill over into system RAM without any interference from the game, or the rare case where a modern game doesnt need that much RAM. I really cannot wait for SteamOS to come to other handhelds, i am hoping that steamOS handles RAM more dymanically cutting the game/engine out of the equation In hogwarts Legacy, i dedicated 6GB of VRAM to the GPU and it seems to offer the best performance, but its still using 95% of both RAM pools, just wish i could get windows RAM usage down even more that i already have.
curious where your adventures have gotten you. I just evaluated an Ally (wanted to love it and returned) and now on a LeGo for 2 weeks. I think i want to jump for the EM780 - 32GB sounds like futureproofing to me (esp since the Ally X just got 24GB) - it’ll save me 70 bucks which can go towards a secondhand PS or Xbox controller. I woke up this morning and peered over at the LeGo case and realized you could fit *several* EM780s in it! I also realized the LeGo is more like a hybrid tablet/gaming handheld - I looked at it beside my 12.9” iPadPro and realized I don’t really need another tablet (and it’s not very light or efficient one either!)
The prices on these thjngs are ridiculous. Just buy an ROG Ally which is ghe same perfroamnce, cna go to 35-40 watts, and you get a portable gamjng device. Just buy a dock and it becomes a Mini pc. Yes its much longer but also much narrower than the box sized mini pcs
This has dramatically more IO than an ROG Ally. 3 full sized usb 3.2 and 2 usb 4 one of which could double for power delivery and an eGPU. If you are planning to use this as a COMPUTER it's far more capable than the Ally. I keep multiple SSDs, music mixing hardware, sound decks, eGPU, wired mouse and keyboard, etc plugged into my mini PC at the same time. I tried using an Ally for this. I ran out of USB-lanes and literally couldn't use my standard peripherals. And as a working professional using this as a small portable workstation I can tellbyou. The Ally simply doesn't work for it. Nice as a handheld, but if you intend to do anything at all with the PC other than play games and very light office work then this thing will laugh at the Ally all day long.
@@cheeeeezewizzz thanks for this data point! i just returned my Ally and thinking of returning my LeGo because this is exactly what my gut is saying. plus the EM780 has twice the RAM (32GB). I also was thinking along the lines of @ZDY66666 until i realized how early in the cycle these handhelds are - not ready for the roadwarrior use cases like u speak of! ps. I didn’t realize you could run out of USB lanes - does this mean the max number of items u can plug into the USB hub/bus? where is this ever documented?! whats the difference in limit between the Ally and a unit like the EM780?
hey how did your tests go? i was thinking about getting one of these and wondering how long the power bank powers just the mini PC vs the EM780 + a portable monitor.
I don't understand the claim that Steam hasn't made SteamOS available for anything other than the Steam Deck. Steam offers instructions on how to "make your own SteamOS machine" and provides links to the installer. Not the first time I see that fact mentioned in this channel! If you prefer Chimera just say that :P don't lie and say that you can't use SteamOS
So, comparing these two videos back-to-back (I only looked at the Horizon Zero Dawn benchmark as a consistent reference), it says Windows is slightly faster than Chimera OS on the same hardware? You showed Windows 10 running at 70 fps and Linux at 62 fps. Is that pretty consistent across all games? Personally, I really like the Steam Deck and it's lightweight interface...but it would be nice if it could also run the games as fast or faster than Windows.
1:17 man r u checking or verifying your vids before they r released to the public?! Every single video I've watched on your channel has some kind of typo or error... maybe u should invest more on the QA and focus more on quality than quantity (?)😉 BTW, this mini PC looks very cool. AMD is clearly leading in the x86 SOC/APU design, but Intel is slowly getting there as well with their new 14th Gen. Still incredible what such a small factor device can do.
The thing always overlooked on these 7840 chips is they are only dual channel memory vs the quad channel on the SD, so the gpu performance is not as far ahead of the SD as the specs suggest.
Cool that you can carry it in a pocket but still not close to steam deck experience or rog ally plus no screen, speakers jacks... So it pretty much sucks.
you’re now looking at $800 for the Ally X (what the Ally should be) and I think $530 for the EM780 is the most I can swallow. I exchanged the Ally for the LeGo and really don’t see myself keeping it (even for 600)
This may sound weird but i want to know how much can you UNDERclock (while keeping it stable) cpu, gpu and memory and then what it is capable of on that limited scenario and how much power it needs just to be stable.
OK, out of curiosity I ran the Horizon Zero Dawn benchmark at original setting preset at 1080p, as shown in this video. My GTX 1660 Super got the same result, with very little differences. I ran it twice to make sure it wasn't a fluke. Now I am pretty sure a GTX 1660 Super is faster than a 780M, so...wtf?
ETA PRIME tested Horizon with FSR enabled. It means that game runs lower resolution and it is upscaled to 1080p. If you tested with native 1080p resolution there is the difference....
Could anyone answer a question. I want to get a similar if not the same mini PC. With chimera os is there issues playing online? I mainly play old games like left 4 dead, titan quest. I was wondering if there is issues
Being able to play games at 1080p at 60hz on a small computer is a great achievement in itself.
@@Mosestylezhe always only mentions the positives. Most of his videos sound like ads for the products.
IT's quiet enough in the ROG ally and never overheats and shutsdown so. I have a quiet PC with Ryzen 9 5900x and Rx 6800 but even my steamdeck doesn't bother me when i am playing. the game audio usually all but over powers the sound of the fans running. It's a none issue. @@Mosestylez
60fps*
@Mosestylez except it wont overheat and shutdown
😂😂😂 I can even play such games on a small android phone via Xbox game pass
You know they're making pretty good small pc's. At this point, someone's gotta make a 3rd party motherboard for the steam decks so you can just swap out for the newer processor like framework does for their laptops.
The only issue I could see with this is the steam deck not having enough thermal mass to manage with the higher TDP. But yeah a modular handheld that can be easily upgraded for like 5-6 years would be amazing.
@@TURBONERD i don't mind a two part system with bigger fans that doubles as jacket fan, gaming pcs are limited by thickness i wonder how far we can go with more fitting brick form factor. People are ok with beefy ass camera+lens why not brick sized portable pc
1:23 - the usual ETAPrime gag 😂
time to fire the editor :-)
@@acubleyhe was fired last year
I really appreciate you still testing the game left 4 dead 2.
Last year MinisForum released a mini PC in this video, that one-
Last year-
*LAST YEAR*
This runs better than the steam deck! And it's 2x the price. It better for that cost.
Twice the cost and doesn't include a screen, speakers, a controller, etc.
You can get steam decks used now. It's waaaaay more expensive and 32 gigs is over kill.
@@wolffurprogramming second hand steamdeck are only 20% less in my area. Not really that impressive for a second hand price.
32 gigs is not overkill, speak for yourself.@@wolffurprogramming
many games run fine on deck but are bottlenecked by 16gb of ram.
More expensive than the ROG ally
It looks smaller then that old OUYO game console, with like 50X the power. Amazing
I like the direction things are going! Can't wait for more competition to hop in improving design, performance and prices ~!
$799 US Dollars is way too much money for what you get.
1:21 the bloopers are getting better 😆
Very impressive! Linux is just great for a PC/Console like experience.
Nice to see you rocking that KK3 Max.
The mini PC is cute, tiny and powerful, but ahh 800 bucks ... :/
down to 499 already - 529 if u want the 1TB config - so thinking about pulling the trigger!
Editing mistake at 1:28 "Last year Last year Last"
Did he stutter? He don't make mistakes.
Damn, runs the new games better than my 970 used to.
Pretty spendy ~$640 for such a little thing, I expect the prices to drop as the Ryzen 8000 chips start to come out.
IMO they're still a little overpriced. You can spend a few hundred more for something like the Minisforum Neptune series with an actual dgpu in it.
these commuters are just getting crazy ..faster thin most big builds and tiny blows my mind!!
I'd like to see how it emulates high end systems, especially under linux distro
it can most likely emulate everything givin it’s stronger then a steam deck.
@@sedasauce5030
But can it?
Looking at the Legion Go and ASUS Rog Ally, they still struggle with Switch and PS3.
I'd like to see some actual benchmarks, because if this thing could run those platforms, then it'd be the perfect emulation machine really (for those who don't play portable)
@@user-ds8rj2vc4vI am trying just that. Unfortunatelly I have only two games for PS3, and they are not properly supported in emulator. Need to get games that work in the emulator and are heavy enough tp be used as a benchmark to see if it can handle PS3. Switch should be easier but I have no games from it.
@@user-ds8rj2vc4vHi, so I just tried PS3 and Gran Turismo 6. I was getting 35-45 fps once the shader compiling was over. Unfortunatelly, GT6 is still not stable. OpenGL is more stable than Vulkan for me.
GT6 looks nice when its running and playing with Dual Shock
@@DS-pk4eh Most games via PCSX3 barely even run on my 10850K/6900XT desktop which is still a moderately high end system. It comes down to the newer emulators themselves just needing to be better optimized.
Zen 4 vs Zen 2. Next iteration of deck and switch 2 will be epic.
In the next decade, I hope we get 7-8 hours gameplay at 100 watt.
Why 100w ? In the next decade could be 10W but with 100W of now days power.
I have zero need for this but I want one so damn bad now...
But dont wanna pay 800-1000$ for it.
imagine if it was like 200-300...heh
About the same price as a Mac mini with similar performance. Not bad if you want a small productivity focused machine.
The price point is a bit high, but it is still a nice pocket size device. Assuming you have the display, k+m and controller already.
Because I'm usually near a power source, coupled with a portable touchscreen this has more-than replaced my Surface Pro in my "wherever I lay my hat" setup!
are you powering the portable touchscreen and the EM780 off a big power bank? how much time do u get on it?
Play Cyberpunk at 1080p60 with 35W is insane.
This is amazing and If you don't really care about 60fps you can probably lock the framerate to 30 or 40 and increase the settings to high+medium on every game + 1080p boom you got yourself a tiny PS4 or XBOX ONE
And then add the fact too this can run even switch PS3 GC etc all those heavy hitter emulators perfectly fine at 1080p.... Yea this thing is a BEAST
@@shroom2967 It's perfect
It's pretty compact has great io oculink and packs a punch if it gets cheaper, this thing would have great potential for a diy handeld conversion projects.
I bought a mini pc with a ryzen 7 5700u and 16bg of ddr4 laptop ram and its honestly a pretty good little pc. I play project zomboid and it runs it amazingly
@Don_Coyote mine doesn't but I don't use it for anything super intense especially project zomboid it's low requirements barely wake up the ryzen 7 lol
@Don_Coyotebetter cooling system then laptop
AMAZING. GO LINUX, GO GO 🐧
I really like these things. On one hand I'm really tempted to get one to just carry out retrogaming duties, and get through my Steam library of games I haven't played that probably run well on this... but I'm held back thinking if the cost is worth it. I mean for less money than this, I could get a Deck or equivalent that gives more flexibility. And really what I would like/need a powerful (very compact) PC to play some AAA at max settings 1080/1440p and gamedev.
For the price is not worth it if that ll be 400 bucks i ll buy it for that price you can buy rog ally with z1 extreme chip and dock station to put on tv
it’s within reach at 499/529 now…
The power of the sun....in the palm of my hand
With how fast mobile technology is going these PCs will be the size of matchboxes soon enough
our phones sure got small fast 📱😊
I'm considering this or the V3. The price on this is nice and I love the form factor. This could fit under my car's dash. At the same time, I don't own a tablet and I'm curious what I could do with such a slim and powerful device. Decisions decisions.
Title: Mini PC runs SteamOS
Video: ChimeraOS
It would be really nice if a bios update or something came out in the future for this thing that unlocks the TDP for higher wattage. You can see that it's clearly handling 35W perfectly fine, hovering at only around 50-60 C in games. It definitely has headroom for more power.
YOU ARE SO SMOL - Heavy
Put this small minis in refrigerator for great performance.😅😂
hold that thing up next to a raspberry pi !
@ETAPRIME Amazing! Could we see two things pls?
1. This running EmuDeck (please include Rogue Squadron 2 GC and Sly Cooper P22).
2. The SteamOS streaming Steam and EmuDeck to a small Android handheld like the Retroid 4 Pro or Odin 2. Very interested if this is possible.
Also, in general I'd love to see more ChimeraOS capable Mini PCs but with Dedicated GPUs. That's by far the main thing I look out for on your channel. A very small 'Steambox' capable of high 1440p gaming seems to be the future to me.
I always liked the benefit of components not bring attached to my devices.
My biggest pull to mini pc > steamdeck is battery.
I can always found sometype of power bank to plug in 110 or when I'm at someones house, a spare 110 outlet I can use.
In steamdecks I'll be doing the same thing but knowing it'll always be consuming something on the battery makes me wonder longeviy.
if the bms is any good there should not be any draw when it is plugged in.
but i agree: this plus powerbank and touch screen is better than the steamdeck. Only thing missing is good portable screens with the right form factor. Would be even more amazing if they finally made foldable portable screens.
That's such a nice Portable gaming Console.
Great little system, kinda pricy though. Can't wait until 8000 series CPUs come out.
Yeah.....thos thing is 800 bucks. I'll pass.
It cost me aroun 600 for 7840hs 32Gb and 1Tb SSd
@DS-pk4eh And in 6-8 months it will drop to like 400 usd at which point I wouldn't mind one.
@@cheeeeezewizzz it’s coming down - it’s at 530. think it’ll drop that low? I’d be a happy camper at 450.
I just ordered one of these to replace my 7yo Alienware Steam Machine R2, looking forward to seeing this up with ChimeraOS, it looks amazing for the size/price!
How do you like it?
@@literallymp9811 it's been great! The only thing I've noticed is if I'm playing a graphics intensive game and have more than one Bluetooth controller connected, sometimes one will get a bit laggy, but otherwise it's been an excellent little gaming system for me and my kids
was not expecting to see $1200 CAD when I clicked that amazon link
AMD is just leading the APU future, and I love it
If Radeon can't with Nvidia, at least with Ryzen branded APUs they could kill Nvidia's low end GPUs (50/50Ti/LP60 series).
Intel is close behind. Their latest IGPU is about 90% of the 7840U.
Doubt they can get closer with RDNA 4 just around the corner.
@Just_An_Ignacio the only problem AMD has with their gpus is their raytracing performance is always a generation behind, 6000 series had rt performance similar to the rtx 20 series, and the 7000 series has rt performance similar to the rtx 30 series, in terms of features and raster performance AMD can compete
@@robotsix6268 I'm curious, is it based off Arc? If so does it have raytracing like the rdna 2 and 3 apus?
@@KingVulpes Yes and yes
1:23 : Last year, last year and I revind it to make sure it wasn't my phone glitching. So I heard the glitch 3 more times.
For the life of me, hearing the "mega transfers" bit pisses me off for some reason.
Was killing me how he says "Minis Forum" as one word 😂
If you can do virtual resolution on your 1080p monitor, 720p uoscale to1440p performs better then at 1080p.
We've only dreamed of having all these devices a few years ago, i mean yeah the switch was revolutionary but you're limited with the games made only for switch and other games that has been ported which is a very short list. Now we get to play triple a games anywhere using the steam deck, ally, legion Go. Now we have a fully pledged pc the size of a persons palm.
So much performance, and it's so smol. If I ever have to live in a shoebox, I want it
Not bad, costs two steam decks though..
This would be such a freaken awesome camper van pc or truckie gaming pc with how little it uses and how tiny it is
I would like to see this mini pc compared side by side with the steam deck on the gaming side
wow, what an awesome little device. here in germany it costs exactly the same as a mac mini m2. which one is faster for gaming and emulation?👀
i’m wondering this too now that I discovered ES-DE now exists for macOS. It can’t be too much work to port RetroBat to macOS - I notice a lot of emulators (except 3ds) now run on Apple Silicon. I got my first mini in 2004 and the biggest thing holding me back is that it can’t boot into Linux when I need it to. this EM780 sure seems like the ultimate portable rig when I pair it with my iPadPro.
Thanks, I would love a Steam DESK console with a Steam Controller 2 with the Steam Deck distribution.
What would've been nice is if you could've connected it to one of those portable monitors you once reviewed
The Beauty Of Technology
i don't need this but i want this😅
This is just what I am looking for thanks for the video!
I can not to understand why I should to pay 500$ for mini-pc, if I can buy a steam deck with similar specs and use it the same way with I usb c hub?
thank you! Mr. Prime! 😂 I had been wanting to make a gaming pc with SteamOS but didn't know if i could...im a busy guy so i hadn't looked it up. They you said "ChimeraOS" and i was like...WHUT?
It's not a reasonable comparison. It's two years newer. It doesn't have a battery or screen. It's not handheld or portable.
It's much more portable however
You can fix these easily considering how small its.... AR glasses and Powerbank will fix it
@@hidden_name7469 portable is a bit of stretch. You are sort of right, but also kind of of wrong at the same time.
If you consider that you can easily lug this cube around bedrooms, lounges, and offices, then yeah, it's very portable, extremely so. Hook it to a hotel TV is perfectly doable.
But on the go, as in actually travelling? Not really, no. You'll have to carry a portable battery bank that's good enough capacity and wattage, a portable screen of some kind, a keyboard, and a mouse. Then you'll have to juggle all these on your lap or nearby surface. That would be clunky.
A handheld pc on the other hand is self contained. Meaning that more or less the only main worry or draw is a spare power bank or mains (sometimes a keyboard as well).
It is if a person uses their Deck mostly in docked mode (me).
Stop crying
Only thing this is missing, is an oculink port.
In L4D2, I noticed you faded out just as that Charger was coming at you :)
Can't wait until April 1 when ETA uploads a montage of video/audio blunders (skipping/repeating)
Cool its better than the steam deck...checks price lol nope nevermind. Still have yet to see anything beat the price of a steam deck.
When I saw the price I felt better about spending £600 on a OLED SteamDeck
You can't compare it. There is no Steamdeck with 32GB Ram and a Zen4 CPU.
@@TT-pi8wwit has oled and is portable of course you can’t compare it
I really want to know how this compares to the Legion Go or the ROG Ally
Effectivvely both the same processor, but the Legion has faster RAM, and the EM780 has double the RAM of both handhelds. I am, costantly running out of VRAM, system ram, or both at minimum settings and resolution.
With the EM780 having 32GB i wonder how fast it would be if you dedicated 8GB to the GPU, and left 24 for system.
Normally you wouldnt expect it to matter because its all the same RAM and the GPU is allowed to use 1/2 of the system RAM so in theory, you could not dedicate any RAM and the GPU would be allowed to dynamically use up to 8GB
However, it seems that game optimization will see that system RAM dedicated to VRAM as a hard limit that it tries its best to stay under resulting in dynamic detail reduction and even stuttering performance.
My Legion Go is often slower than my UM790 with 64GB of 4800 RAM, it really seems to depend on if the game can stay within the 4GB i have dedicated to the Z1X on the Legion Go or if it needs the 8+GB i have dedicated on the UM790, or if it is "poorly optimized" and is allowed to spill over into system RAM without any interference from the game, or the rare case where a modern game doesnt need that much RAM.
I really cannot wait for SteamOS to come to other handhelds, i am hoping that steamOS handles RAM more dymanically cutting the game/engine out of the equation
In hogwarts Legacy, i dedicated 6GB of VRAM to the GPU and it seems to offer the best performance, but its still using 95% of both RAM pools, just wish i could get windows RAM usage down even more that i already have.
curious where your adventures have gotten you. I just evaluated an Ally (wanted to love it and returned) and now on a LeGo for 2 weeks. I think i want to jump for the EM780 - 32GB sounds like futureproofing to me (esp since the Ally X just got 24GB) - it’ll save me 70 bucks which can go towards a secondhand PS or Xbox controller. I woke up this morning and peered over at the LeGo case and realized you could fit *several* EM780s in it! I also realized the LeGo is more like a hybrid tablet/gaming handheld - I looked at it beside my 12.9” iPadPro and realized I don’t really need another tablet (and it’s not very light or efficient one either!)
I’d love to see if one of the 7840HS mini PCs, which I think have a higher TDP, would perform even better.
I'd love to see 7500Mhz LPDDR5X, because the biggest bottleneck for APUs is the RAM bandwidth.
@@badass6300 Great point!
Diy handheld like your OG raspberry pi videos!! The people demand it!!
The prices on these thjngs are ridiculous. Just buy an ROG Ally which is ghe same perfroamnce, cna go to 35-40 watts, and you get a portable gamjng device. Just buy a dock and it becomes a Mini pc. Yes its much longer but also much narrower than the box sized mini pcs
This has dramatically more IO than an ROG Ally. 3 full sized usb 3.2 and 2 usb 4 one of which could double for power delivery and an eGPU. If you are planning to use this as a COMPUTER it's far more capable than the Ally. I keep multiple SSDs, music mixing hardware, sound decks, eGPU, wired mouse and keyboard, etc plugged into my mini PC at the same time. I tried using an Ally for this. I ran out of USB-lanes and literally couldn't use my standard peripherals. And as a working professional using this as a small portable workstation I can tellbyou. The Ally simply doesn't work for it. Nice as a handheld, but if you intend to do anything at all with the PC other than play games and very light office work then this thing will laugh at the Ally all day long.
@@cheeeeezewizzz thanks for this data point! i just returned my Ally and thinking of returning my LeGo because this is exactly what my gut is saying. plus the EM780 has twice the RAM (32GB). I also was thinking along the lines of @ZDY66666 until i realized how early in the cycle these handhelds are - not ready for the roadwarrior use cases like u speak of!
ps. I didn’t realize you could run out of USB lanes - does this mean the max number of items u can plug into the USB hub/bus? where is this ever documented?! whats the difference in limit between the Ally and a unit like the EM780?
Test it with that RTX A500 portable thing from a few months back. RTX, 8 cores and 32 GB RAM and smaller than a ATX power supply
still waiting for an apu that handles 1080p High/ultra @ 60fps. maybe next gen.
When AMD Halo Strix comes with 40CUs instead of 12CUs that this APU iGPU has.
8000 series is just a 7000 refresh. It won't be next gen
i would be interested to see how this runs on a portable power bank and monitor. i should receive mine next week.
A mini PC + keyboard + battery + monitor is called “laptop” 😂
hey how did your tests go? i was thinking about getting one of these and wondering how long the power bank powers just the mini PC vs the EM780 + a portable monitor.
What about noise performance? It's nice it's small, but if it comes as a cost of more noise, I'd rather have a larger size.
Always my first question with tiny pcs like this. Anyone know if its tolerable?
Well for 800 USD I am still preferred Steam deck 😂
I don't understand the claim that Steam hasn't made SteamOS available for anything other than the Steam Deck. Steam offers instructions on how to "make your own SteamOS machine" and provides links to the installer. Not the first time I see that fact mentioned in this channel!
If you prefer Chimera just say that :P don't lie and say that you can't use SteamOS
Remember when computers couldn't fit in a room and all they did was ad subtract multiply and devide at best ???😂😂😂
So, comparing these two videos back-to-back (I only looked at the Horizon Zero Dawn benchmark as a consistent reference), it says Windows is slightly faster than Chimera OS on the same hardware? You showed Windows 10 running at 70 fps and Linux at 62 fps. Is that pretty consistent across all games? Personally, I really like the Steam Deck and it's lightweight interface...but it would be nice if it could also run the games as fast or faster than Windows.
1:17 man r u checking or verifying your vids before they r released to the public?! Every single video I've watched on your channel has some kind of typo or error... maybe u should invest more on the QA and focus more on quality than quantity (?)😉
BTW, this mini PC looks very cool. AMD is clearly leading in the x86 SOC/APU design, but Intel is slowly getting there as well with their new 14th Gen. Still incredible what such a small factor device can do.
One day we get SteamOs running on tamagotchis
The thing always overlooked on these 7840 chips is they are only dual channel memory vs the quad channel on the SD, so the gpu performance is not as far ahead of the SD as the specs suggest.
Cool that you can carry it in a pocket but still not close to steam deck experience or rog ally plus no screen, speakers jacks... So it pretty much sucks.
small beast
Windows is starting to become a tax on pre made pcs. you pay the tax and install another OS.
Hmm at that price, unless you need 32GB of RAM, you might as well get the ROG Ally.
you’re now looking at $800 for the Ally X (what the Ally should be) and I think $530 for the EM780 is the most I can swallow. I exchanged the Ally for the LeGo and really don’t see myself keeping it (even for 600)
Mod bios 680
Unlocked
120 watt psu
Sits on top a small peltier
58 watts....
This may sound weird but i want to know how much can you UNDERclock (while keeping it stable) cpu, gpu and memory and then what it is capable of on that limited scenario and how much power it needs just to be stable.
please stop showing us a transparent steam deck I want one so much :(
hahaha
great video!
Can you make video for egpu using oculink adapter on old laptop m2 slot with GDP g1 external gpu
Almost twice as much as Steam Deck too.
¿Can You unmounted and put it in a really small case with a battery and a oled screen? Thats would be a good project.
Man, I wish they had a display port instead of HDMI.
may I ask how u changed color of ui text to pink? Is this theme or from settings?
A pc that small can be made into a handheld. Just sayin..
lol that would be the Z1X in the Ally X :)
Are you making a video on AMD Fluid motion the ROG Allly or Legon Go
Хороший девайс. Эра мини ПК рассветает!
OK, out of curiosity I ran the Horizon Zero Dawn benchmark at original setting preset at 1080p, as shown in this video. My GTX 1660 Super got the same result, with very little differences. I ran it twice to make sure it wasn't a fluke.
Now I am pretty sure a GTX 1660 Super is faster than a 780M, so...wtf?
ETA PRIME tested Horizon with FSR enabled. It means that game runs lower resolution and it is upscaled to 1080p.
If you tested with native 1080p resolution there is the difference....
@@retro_ed746AAAARGH!!! How did I miss that? Thank you.
I thought the 7840U had a TDP limit of 28 Watts?
PC getting but better in performance
What?
Could anyone answer a question. I want to get a similar if not the same mini PC. With chimera os is there issues playing online? I mainly play old games like left 4 dead, titan quest. I was wondering if there is issues
Does Chimera OS support remote play? I'm thinking about setting up in my living room and streaming steam games from my gaming PC
Interesting that you were getting a whole 10 more fps in cp2077 when this box was running windows
Because it's running 10 less watts here
10 wow mind-blowing
@@trixniisama ah ok. I must have missed that part
Which keyboard is that? Day 36 of asking for a PC for my college