The Rover 75 Head Gasket HAS Failed - You Told Us So! - Starting The Engine Tear Down
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- Rover 75 Head Gasket HAS Failed - You Told Us So! - Starting The Engine Tear Down
I recently bought myself a 2000 plate Rover 75 Club. It's the 1.8 K series engine (yep ... head gasket drama)
We took the car for its very first Road Test. The Rover 75 was going well ... And Then It All Went WRONG
The Head Gasket HAS Failed On The Rover 75 - You Told Us So! - Starting The Engine Tear Down
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How you handle adversity is the mark of individuals. Your dad is a perfect example of how to do it. Quietly fume inside whilst getting on with life and still find time for a bit of humour.
He's got it down to an art 😂
As inevitable as the tide coming in. You're a good sport for enduring all this. As is Dad. He's such a star.
He absolutely is
Sorry about your dad's car. The head gasket seems to be going smoothly. I said before, the exhaust manifold bolts are the part that bothers me the most, but ya'll got through that cleanly. It'll be worth it, in the end. It's a car worth preserving!
Fingers crossed!
Here are three tips for your dad from someone who has lost count of how many of these Lovey Rover cars I have done on these k series engines 1.1 1.4 1.8 and Tubo 2.5 v6. Once you take off the inlet manifold drill out the ball bearing in the brass tube connecting to the rad and drill a 1mm hole in the thermostat itself this stops the engine from pressurising replace the bolt rail at the bottom of the engine to the much stronger rail, have just finished a 2.5 v6 replaced both head gaskets for the three-layer uprated ones replaced all belts camshaft belts stat aux belt, the engine has never run so well he was amazed how quiet it was and more power, have just bought a rover 2004 bk full cream leather fully loaded 2-litre diesel turbo saved it from going to scrap yard my new project, have had 4 rover75's, kv6 1.8 and 1.8 turbo and now my new baby 2.0 diesel turbo have waited 4 years for this rover to come up got a long list jobs she needs doing to bring her back to showroom condition as I did on all my rovers, love watching your dad working on the rover just like myself out there am 66 under and over the car every spair time I get to work on her and get her ready for lovely drives out with my partner in the summer, so loving your channel.
The reason these head gaskets fail is that the single layer with glued-on silicone beads fails due to the head moving a very bad cost-cutting design by Rover given the fact also the long stretch bolts fail as the cylinder head bolts which go through the engine and bolted to a bolt rail at the bottom of the engine over time these loosen allowing the head to vibrate on the cylinder block wearing away at these silicone beads which then causes the head gasket to fail in two ways one it fails by allow the coolant in the cylinder oil ways leaving a mixture of oil and water mix in the rad and expansion tank or leaks into the cylinder causing white smoke from the exhaust pushing coolant out of the exhaust causing miss firing, leaving the spark plug gap tips white and very clean, a simple test is take out the spark plug of the miss firing cylinder turn over the engine and coolant will shoot out that cylinder, after watching your vid you had the best type of failure the coolient leaked in to the cylinder that's why the coolent was still pink. hope this helps in asking why the head gasket fails.
Thanks for your comment and insights! I'll pass the tips on to Dad. Appreciate you watching the channel. I'm glad you enjoy it 😁
I've had a Rover 45 with head gasket trouble, It was replaced with the M.L.S gasket along with the thermostat and the thermostat housing ,head bolts timing belt and I got the timing belt fitting tool that stops the cogs from turning. I went doon to Mablethorpe on holiday a 4 odd hour drive from my hoos! I've been doon your neck of the woods a few times, either Skegness or Mablethorpe . The beaches doon there are great, I saw the motor bike racing on the beach at mablethorpe and the stock car racing at Skegness. I've been down in 2 different Rovers , 2 45's both had the K series engine and I had no problems!
Sounds like we've had similar experiences! Also remember watching the sand racing at Mablethorpe with Dad 👍
K Series engines are a lovely unit once the head has been sorted and the gasket replacement carried out.
The gaskets fail because of two main reasons,firstly the design and the material that original gaskets were made from was sub standard to say the very least,second The cooling system including the plastic inlet manifold was notorious for distortion problems when overheated,this given the fact that the capacity of the cooling system was deliberately kept to a lower quantity to aid in bringing the car to operational temperature as soon as possible from cold,meant that if you developed a leak you had little or no time to do anything about it hence overheating and the gasket going pop.
Talking of leaking coolant Jon
I must take issue with you and dad for letting The coolant drop on the floor ! Do you perhaps not know that OAT is poisonous to the environment and deadly for Cats and Dogs as it is so sweet to taste the cats especially love it and lick it up freely leading very shortly to A most painful end from Liver Failure.
My condolences to you dad for the damage to his car hopefully it will be straight forward enough to repair
In the meantime I'm looking forward to seeing you get the yard floor cleaned of antifreeze coolant residue,good luck.
Interesting to read your comments about the engine. Was inevitable really. Don't panic about the coolant. I absolutely understand your concerns however. As Dad mentioned in the video we let it drop on the floor however what you didn't see (because it's absolutely not interesting content) is me cleaning it up immediately with neutralising agents and water, before brushing it into a self contained drain.
As you know, we have the inspectors on the channel and their safety (along with others) Is key. But I'm sure it was never really in doubt eh 👍
Agreed. I had an inexpensive late model Metro with a 1.1 K series. I liked its performance for a small engine and it revved freely with no flat spots and good fuel economy. Sadly it feels like it was another example of something that might have been really good with a bit more development put into it and less cost cutting on components.
If memory serves a friend of mine had the MG ZR hot hatch from new, that had all sorts of cooling problems with the 1.8 K series engine. It spent more time at our local MG Rover Main dealer than with him!
Oh no 😮
The head bolts on the K series were soft and warped which allowed oil into the water, when the gasket was replaced the best long term cure was to replace the bolts with hardened aftermarket bolts. I had one go on a 1.8 K series freelander at 54K and had the hardened bolts put in and the mileage when i sold it was 122K and was fine.
Good advice. Were going to be changing the bolts
@@JonCoupland Yes it's essential.
Your Dad knows his way around a K series 😊 Hopefully it took his mind off the i10 for a while, fingers crossed that gets sorted quickly. Really enjoyed the video 😊
Thanks for watching. Glad you are still enjoying the content 😀
@@JonCoupland definitely 🙂
Shell Helix 10w 40 oil works well in the 1.8 K series.....
I'm enjoying this, but I feel sorry for your dad, he deserves a rest after the stress of some feckin careless driver and the i10. Hope the rest of it goes well, good luck.
He's got a few days off now whilst we wait for some parts. I do agree though!
Crazy coincidence on Saturday i was hit by a Toyota driver too and i drive a Hyundai i10 have just uploaded it to my profile here as i cant even believe it either , So can understand how Jons Dad feels as the i10 is a very good fun car , I need to buy another now
Hey it could be worse? “Yeh you could be you doing it” 😂😂😂
Absolutely true
Really nice to watch how you both keep up the good spirits even in bad times. Well done guys 👌🏼🍀😁
Glad you enjoyed it
I love your videos . I really look forward to them , thanks
Glad you like them! That's so kind
Your dad doesn't half make me laugh 😂 my old mate 😂.
He a character eh
You know it's a serious episode when Dad says "We're taking bits off mate"
And says it for most of the video 😂
I reckon your dad's sick of hearing about your clean steering wheel 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 👌👍🏻👏
Me too 😂
Superb work last cambelt i had done on my car it was supplied with a water pump i believe they do it as a standard thing at garages now .
Were getting the whole kit to do it all 🙂
Their are so many theories for failure but movement of the plastic dowls that move once warm causing head to slide back & forth & side to side gets my vote
Ah that's an interesting theory
Dads been chomping at the bit to do that head gasket!
Absolutely
Original Rover Headgaskets used were cheap and therefore poor quailty, plastic dowels used too. Lotus and Caterham dont have any issues with them failing. New Multilayer steel or better quality ones used survive a lot longer. Other issue is the thermostat and cooling system design working the wrong way round.
It holds cold water out of a hot engine, not holding hot water in with gradual temp transfer through the coolant. When it opens the cold water floods into the hot block causing thermal shock, the Alloy block and steel liners expand at different rates and the sudden change of temperature happens a few times as the engine fully warms up. There was a later modification with a remote bypass thermostat and a flow disc in place of the original thermostat. this allows full flow and one gradual warm up and the bypass thermostat will open when needed diverting through the radiator.
I have a 1.8 K series in Skoda Estelle, you may have seen HubNut videos of it or at FOTU so did a bit of research on the K series issues...
Yes this is a very early car in regard of the cooling system, I have a late 1.8 with all the remote gubbins hanging off behind the radiator… probably got redesigned when they did the Turbo….
Ah that's interesting
We have already sorted the issue with the thermostat (and we had worked out the unusual water flow too) - thanks for watching and thanks for the useful tips and insights. 😀
As an Elise owner since December 1996 I can assure you Lotus DID have issues with them failing, not just an odd few but at a wild guess maybe 50% or more of production in warranty and beyond over several years. That happened right from the start at with basic tune 118bhp engines straight out of the box and only got worse with higher tune engines and ‘tuning’ and ‘uprating’ by those who knew nothing (that includes Lotus themselves)
It was fixed with metal dowels and revised cooling arrangements with controlled bypass, but namely the use of a pressure relief thermostat, or preferably a remote version of this. MLS gaskets certainly help but so does the updated oil rail and properly torquing the revised though bolts and having someone who understands the engineering of stretch bolts. A lot of the problems with the Elise were not helped by the long radiator runs, something in common with the MGF. How it ever got past basic endurance testing with cold starts is anyone’s guess. Pamper them all you like, warm them up slowly and they’ll still fail.
The K series basic design was light years ahead of the competition, its implementation in production and installation was the bit where it went wrong.
@@MartinE63 Ah was unaware of Lotus issues as it was smaller numbers and less publicised I guess. Makes sense if they were out of the box engines supplied.
Reason why k series popped head gaskets was cause the gaskets was gash most ppl upgraded them to steel ones as lasted longer
You wait until the next episode and you see what state it was in 😂
@JonCoupland can't wait as ugly as rovers tend to be its nice to see them best one was the tomcat with t bar roof lol
I'm sure your dad is jumping for joy inside at the prospect of a head gasket replacement.
Potentially 😂
'It's the pistons ' 😂😂
Pistons!!
Sorry to hear about your dads car being hit in the car park Jon.. Are there cameras in there..? Hope the culprit realises hit and run is against the law... good luck with the head re build..check the wet liners havent shifted in the bores... hope it all goes ok...Bob Paignton.....
Thankfully insurance companies are dealing with it and a witness came forward. We will be checking the liners etc in another video coming soon 😁
Cambelt kit. Belts X3 waterpump, tensioner, cam locking tool.
Were on it 👍
More content was inevitable 😂 👍🏻
Just to keep the viewers happy 😂
I use to work for an aftermarket parts manufacturer. The head gaskets rover used for production were made cheaply and the seal on them moved. Victor reinz was tasked with making a better one for the aftermarket and when the Chinese started making the k series. So if a rover had a failing gasket and wasn’t repaired quickly then other issues set in and the rumours start. Basically the method used to make the head gaskets was rubbish and the technology to make it work properly wasn’t really there at the time - it is now though
Interesting!
Thats a weird coincidence as my i10 Hyundai was damaged at the weekend too , I got hit in the side by a Toyota Estate and i swear im not joking can provide a photo of the damage on my youtube channel , So i can understand why your dads annoyed as Hyundai's are good little cars , I loved mine only had it 3 months and now need to find another , I hope your dad finds the culprit as in my case i was lucky the man who hit me stopped and gave me his detail and admitted fault
Dad said the same! He referenced your misfortune. Hopefully all gets sorted out soon
@@JonCoupland Yeah it is weird , maybe Hyundais are a crash magnet this month ? lol but yeah in your dads case i feel sorry for him as the other driver has not left their details , Hopefully CCTV can be found so you can trace who hit his car , Hope he gets it sorted too and its not written off as in my case i only had a dented door and smashed wing but insurer has wrote it off which i did not want them to do , anyway good luck in your case my friends
now it will be right when its done
Absolutely 😁
Some arse holes about fancy crashing into something and doing a runner 😡
Really has upset Dad. Thankfully it's getting sorted 🤞
@@JonCoupland I bet, I've had it done to me so know too well and he looks thrilled to be doing the head gasket 🙈😆
@@goblin457 keep his mind sharp!
I had same thing happen on Saturday to me smashed in the side by a red Toyota but luckily the driver stopped and i got his details , I hope Jons dad can find out who hit him and get compensated for the damage too.
Makes you wonder if the other driver was insured😢
How uncommon 😂😂😂😂
Almost unheard of 😂
Are you going to the head skimmed being alloy
We are going to see what it's like. Would be daft to skim it unnecessarily
I totally agree I had a couple of K series engines that I had to get the heads skimmed I hope yours will be ok it’s not cheap nowadays
@billywhizzthe98 they have been lucky caught it in time like my old k series I turned it straight off. But even with the new headgaskets they go again in time.
Rover K-series head gaskets are clearly a poor design
I believe so
That would probably cost as much as the car is worth ,if you didn't have your dad , and I think that's why they don't make good second-hand buys for most people 🫣 even tho its a good looking car unfortunately 🙏
I agree that for some it's a write off reason. Sad really