Subaru Legacy 2.0T Wagon vs 3.0R Sedan
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- čas přidán 2. 08. 2024
- If you're looking for a performance Subaru Legacy, these two 4th gen Legacy's are the most popular choice. But which one is better?
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:30 Exterior
0:57 Drivetrain
1:53 Interior
3:12 Rolling Race
3:26 2.0T Driving Experience
5:06 3.0R Driving Experience
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The flat 6 with a good exhaust sounds absolutely mental.
Yessss good engine
For real, I love the classic flat 4 UEL header rumble, but flat 6s sound NUTS with a good exhaust
I'm fortunate to have both, a facelift 2.0l twinscroll and a facelift 3.0l r both spec B. Always loved Subaru and there's not a huge amount of difference between them.
Nice man they’re both awesome cars
I was looking at the v6 one possibly for a first car what are your opinions on it for a first car? Any major issues with the engine suspension etc
@@tullyryan4053 These are H6 not V6 but yes they are good first cars overall especially if you live in a climate with snow. The reliability isn't bad and most can get past 200k miles. I have a 2.5i 4cyl and its at about 209k right now. Just always check your oil at least once every two weeks, and change it frequently.
@@tysone1254 2.0L ej and 3.0L ez are both much more reliable than ej25 engines so its even a better choice.
All horror stories about subarus are exclusively the fault of subaru being lazy and stupid about ej25, by using cheap gaskets in naturallt aspirated ones(which were like 80% of their sales in usa on most models) and turbo ej25 being an afterthought bored out design based of ej22 and they messed up design wise with cooling, uel headers cooked even the better mls headgaskets to death as well as piston ringlands on turbo models and combined with overly wide oil pan and relatively high oil consumption when driving hard, endagered it with oil starvation.
EJ20/ej22 in all variants had a narrow oil pan and equal lenght headers and adequate cooling, so those never had these flaws and failures. EZ30 the same.
Subaru tarnished their reputation with ej25 because of how often it was chosen in US spec imprezas, foresters, legacies and outbacks throughtout the 2000s
You are a very lucky person, random question why did you not get a wrx or have you?
Love the no nonsense intro, 6 seconds in and we're cooking with gas
Haha yep you know it
Love this video, waiting for someone to do this for a long time, thankyou and keep up the good work!
No prob! Glad you enjoyed it
_love the side by side comparison 👏🏼, interesting review, keep up the great work dude_
Thanks man!
Awesome video love it
Good to hear!
Love it! I'm a 3.0R Spec B wagon owner. I'd love to see you do a video comparing your manual 3.0R sedan with the CVT 3.6R 6th gen legacy sedan.
Yes that would be interesting
Great review mate. I own the 2.0T here in Australia. You basically nailed it spot on how the car feels, the power delivery, and even the wacky rocking back of forth in between gear changes. Well done!
Thanks!
i have a USDM 18 wrx and that "lugging" sound/feel drives me crazy. i have no idea how to get rid of it, even my buddies brand new 23 wrx does it
@@LunasLostLove I feel you, sometimes in a car park my car starts violently rocking back and forth.. it makes it look like I'm shit at driving manual but I'm not even using the clutch only throttle.
I think rev hang might have something to do with it
Got my first Subaru for two years now, a 09 Legacy 2.5 GT sedan Borg&Wagner aut box. (265 hk 350 nm)
A really Nice car.
Good video🎉
Very nice!
He finally did it 🎉
Yezzz
Great video as always, and congrats on 20K subs. I've been considering between these two (and a few other makes and models) for my next car. After watching this, I think I might go for the turbo, but I'm also considering the next gen after this one, so it'd be interesting to see a comparison between one of them and your 3.0R.
Mmm yeah tbh I’d rather have the older shape in the video, the newer ones have really plasticy interiors and I think they’re a bit ugly
@@KiwiCarLife Yeah, I never liked the rear-end design of the newer sedans; I prefer wagons and hatches anyway 😅. Can't speak for quality as I've never been in one, but I've seen photos and I think the newer interior looks more modern, plus I've heard the soft touch dash on the older ones tend to melt and disintegrate. Everyone likes different things and has different opinions, so I'll definitely check out both gens and see which one I like better.
If you can find it, try find a spec b 3.0r manual pre facelift. I used to own one with full options and it was glorious@@DJBla2e01
Newer shape slower than my stock blade master, this shape smoked my mate off the line in his s14 full 3 inch exhaust intake and brand spankers s15 turbo.
Nice comparo!
The younger me would have taken the turbo model, in fact the younger me did back in the day!
But now I would be keen on the 3.0R!
Yeah I agree
I had an automatic facelift 2l turbo import - such a beautifulcar, full trim with sunroofetc. Looked for similar in manual 6sp but really hard to find, ended up getting a pre-facalift 5spd nznew (similar to one in the vid), and was taken aback by how quickthey are. High flow cat front downpipe and a tune make it an absolute monster.
Very nice and yeah the EJ20 has a heap of potential for sure
i live in Germany and have a 3.0R limousine in black and its my first car ever i love it i a Automatic transmission and makes 245 hp X)
Very nice!
I hope that facelift was in S# - the flat 6 sounds amazing I think the comments on its sound was a bit - muted... you need to install a good quality SS cat back exhaust to unleash the sound of these engines - raptor headers will really make it sing. I have one of these sedans for moving onto 8 years - its extremely reliable and does everything I need a car to do and the gear changes are concise and you can take sharp corners in 4th if you wanted. Another thing is you can map the ECU for 99 RON or premium unleaded fuel also, which is what I have done and it makes a big difference.
Yeah was in S#. And agree it needs a good exhaust system to open it up
Yeah... the ez30 sounds fantastic. Just needs a (full) exhaust
The driving modes are already mapped as in they alter the throttle body opening angle, what I meant was that my engine is mapped for 99 RON fuel, only on the S# mode however as its too wild for everyday driving - I just put into S# when the needs arise@@KennedySilva06
Nice video. Am i happy that i have a 3.0R Spec B and live close to a German Autobahn without a speed limit...
HOH id love to drive a 3.0R on the autobahn
Thanks for the review! Really enjoy your vids. Interested to know if you’ve driven the Japan import Subaru Legacy 2.0GT DIT touring (2011-2014)? I’m thinking about importing one. They seem like terrific value.
I haven't, if they're anything like this older 4th gen I imagine they'll be pretty good!
Don't. They're nowhere near as good.
@@markthompson8397 tbh yeah that’s what I thought
@@markthompson8397 how so?
The beard looks fantastic lol
Thanks haha
You need to replace your shifter bushings. The 6 speed is a much nicer shift than the 5 speed but because your bushings will be worn out it'll feel quite sloppy. Ive done bushings in my 2.5T Spec B turbo box aswell as the centre diff and it shifts like its new and its got over 300000ks
Yeah that’s on my list of things to do
Re: the steering feel - when I switched my 3.0 from Hankooks to Michelins it completely transformed the car, felt so much sharper.
Feel? Or turn in? Tyres don’t really change steering “feel” all that much. It’s mainly down to the rack and power steering pump, suspension design all that
I agree with you on the "manouvrebility" in tight bends - but take it on the open roads outside of city - they are great cruisers.
And funny how one can have such different way, I always miss the extra "shove" in NA engines, feeling the boost build up is big part of why I enjoy driving it.
@@radekou I found my H6 to be really good on back roads. Handled well. But yeah generally sedans are well suited to the open road
Great video! Intesting on paper, the specs for say the 0-100 are very similar between the two. I own a well looked after 3.0rb 6spd and it pulls fairly well. Does having boost come on just make it feel heaps faster? Unless the 3.0 in the video has rather high kms or something?
2.0L turbo definitely feels more potent yes
25kw difference and the torque curve
Brother had a 3.0R flogged the shit out of it for years, towing skylines all over the north island thing was reliable as hell
Yeah they go well
Love the 3.0r my plan is to find an s402 and swap a flat 6 in it man its music and with a supercharger it scouts
Oh nice man that would be awesome
One of the Japanese videos I’ve watched claimed that they originally intended to build the s402 with a flat 6 engine. I don’t know the reason but they ultimately opted for a twin-scroll 2.5 engine. It would make more financial sense to keep the s402 stock as they are supposed to be rare and collectible. I’m currently toying with the idea of getting a UK six speed manual 3.0 spec b and modifying it to ride like an s402.
Is there really any substitute for speed? It's great to see a 4 cly can be faster than a six and return better fuel economy. The next question I have would be around reliability. Good comparison video mate.
I value driving experience over outright speed and at least with these two examples, the 6 is a nicer drive
@@KiwiCarLife I hear you. The gearbox can make an engine fantastic or ruin it.
Im a lucky guy as i get the AUS/USA outback sedan 3.0R, it lacks the spec B transmission but its auto 5 speed works just fine to pull when ya stomp on it
Very nice
That Wagon is post 1st facelift though, you're referring to facelift #2 of the 4th Gen LGT. The first half of the Gen 4 LGT's had big agressive frowny faces, i'd know because my brother drives an 05 and i drive an 06, and here in the states all the 07's and later have either of the bumpers seen here.
I see
@@KiwiCarLife Im not sure if the liberty is different than the legacy in this regard.
I would like to see how Lexus IS200 and IS300 SportCross(and RS200 if it's available for review too) compare. Against Leggy too. IS300 specificly to have it more 1 to 1 engine wise. Is the steering better/more feelful in IS than Legacies/Subarus? How does IS Sportcross square up against your BMW 130i?
Yeah that would be interesting, going to tee that video up soon
Regarding reliability - in my ownership I have had a sticky caliper replaced - reverse switch (not a good location Subaru what were you thinking), front wheel bearings, steering column bush, cv boots. Thats it outside of normal fluids - car is on 141k miles - MY08
Yep mine's had (or needs) similar stuff done to it
Great comparison , but how many Liams fit in the boot?
HAHA that’s just for the cheap car challenges my guy
I have a ez30 legacy that iv made rwd. Loves to slide corners. Sadly auto but will be manual swapping soon
Hoho that’s epic haha
I have a 08 6 speed Spec B sedan in wellington if you’d like to do a comparison to the EZ30. I had been meaning to ask for ages 🤦♂️🤣
Oh yeah could be keen, you wanna hit me up on Insta?
own the 2.0T in the US (known as legacy GT), it's an awesome car to drive but I wish it had a 6th gear for freeway cruising
Yeah that would be handy aye. I’m pretty sure some of the later 2.0T’s came 6MT
@@KiwiCarLife not in the US, 2005 was the only year we got the manual and it was just the 5 speed. I'm sure elsewhere got a 6MT, North America can't have nice things.
I have a facelift 3.0R wagon with paddle shifters and i love this thing so much. But in my opinion the automatic transmission is just not good... It's slow, it's sometimes harsh and sometimes it just doesn't really know what it should do. And the gears are also way too long. I mean it goes 80 km/h in the first gear... Does not feel that snappy and i would love to have a good ol' manual. Still a fantastic daily.
Yeah absolutely man the jatco 5eat is not great but the sti manual these cars have is so so good
imo the turbo gives it a bit more rawness to drive, because it's not as smooth it is a bit more exciting day to day
Yeah I guess so, I like refinement and predictability personally
I wish they used the boxer 6 in the gt86/brz!
Yeah I know that would have been awesome aye, I wonder if anyone’s swapped one in?
I love my flat 6 wagon, just wish i could pull a bit more power out of it!
Mmm yeah need a raptor supercharger
I’ve yet to sit in a liberty/legacy with leather seats where the leather facings hadn’t gone hard and uncomfortable.
Mine isn’t too bad
so many comments people prefer the 3.0 but ive always loved the 2L turbo
Fair enough, I think it sounds dull personally
Not sure I agree with the cars not being precise in steering. Always found them to be ok in that regard. Reasonably fast and easy to place. The problem is more that they lack in feeling and feedback.
Yeah that's exactly what I was referring to. Cars without feeling and feedback by definition aren't precise and are hard to place
@@KiwiCarLife Ah, I think it might be a more subjective part of the experience then. I find if I approach the steering in my Legacy almost ‘mathematically’, she goes right where you point her even if it doesn’t give me much feel. But definitely not as intuitive or ‘feel’ based as my e46.
Great comparison. Would be cool to see how the 2.0T stacks up to a Mazda 6 MPS. Very similar in spec it seems.
Yes that would be a very interesting comparison
There has been and legacy wins. CZcams it
Loved my 3R wagon. Wasn’t that fast and suspension was a bit soft and rolly. But great car all round.
Good vehicles
I watch in the hope you will review Mitsubishi's finest, the 380😅.
Oh great heavens
@@KiwiCarLife We live in hope, you could disguise yourself ?
2:38 Mandatory Toyota Aqua NPC sighting
Yes we had so many NPC's just driving around while we were trying to film, you'll see a 320i in the background of some shots too coz they just parked up and said "oh I hope we're not in the way"
Give me the ez30/6spd in the wagon version
Mmm yes good combo
I think the B spec had a 6 speed for the 2L.
Yeah I think you’re right
Yes I was looking for this comment there is a 6 speed always listed as "rare" here in Nz but they are often found for sale
The turbo wagons do everything.
Kid drop off, family holidays with plenty of boot space, and easy to take to the race track!
Yeah absolutely man, very much a do everything car
Finding a manual turbo wagon legacy in the States is impossible. Makes me wanna go across the pond lol
Really? They’re everywhere here
@@KiwiCarLife Volvo v70r’s and Dodge magnums are more common than Subarus for some reason
@@KiwiCarLife My bad, just realized ur kiwi, I’m jealous lol
As far as I know we only got a turbo manual wagon from Subaru in 2005
@@KiwiCarLife I’ve got an 06 legacy gt mn from a 15 focus st, I think I like the Subaru better, especially in the winter, don’t have Cobb yet
What so how much less powerful is the 3.0? According to the wikipedia page it's only 6kw (180 vs 186). Is that what you noticed when you said the 3.0 is less powerful or is it also the difference in torque?
2.0t is 206kW in Japan. So it’s 26kW down. And no turbo so torque doesn’t come in till later. N/A always feels less grunty than turbo
@@KiwiCarLife Thanks mate
Been trying to find the solution to this problem with my 3.0r, bloody grinding whining noise coming from the front left, have checked everything and still no luck even the mechanics are confused. Have you had any issues?
Hmm wheel bearing?
Took it in for that exactly and they said it’s fine, I think I might have to go to another one just in case 🫣
Took it in for that exactly and they said it’s fine, I think I might have to go to another one just in case 🫣
Also is the 3.0 a spec B because didn't only the spec B have a 6 speed transmission?
Yes it is a spec b
I think the pre-facelift looks way better. And wagon is ofc much sexier
Really? I would have to disagree but that’s all good!
Is 5th in the turbo taller than 6th in the 3.0? Surely not ?
Didn’t go fast enough to find out, but the 5 speed definitely has longer gears
@@KiwiCarLife Thanks, Im obsessed with tall gearing.
Surprise boost always feels quicker but it's just moment of acceleration. Over the same distance I think the 3.0 would have it. Just a smoother curve.
The 2.0L makes a lot more power though
@@KiwiCarLife ah you're right.. Id recently compared the 2.5 and the 3.0 and they're the same.. The 2.0 is quicker.. But too old so wasn't on my radar.
Subaru lo mejor. Fierro slds 🇺🇾
Good cars
Flat 6 all day, I'd prefer a car that doesn't grenade its head gasket ever 30k.
Haha yeah I like the flat 6 too
“Do you want a smooth refinedflat 6 or the raw turbo 4”
Turbo your flat 6. Do it. right now
Or raptor supercharger?
@@KiwiCarLife comes down to personal preference. Some videos of a white 3.0 wagon with a raptor and it sounds insane
@@chrisreardon7185 yeah I’ve seen that
I would take the ,30R just for the reliability,turbo Subaru not so..
Yeah me too
But at the end of the day, it's an obvious decision which car you'd take home.
And that's a BMW 130i
Hahah well yeah owning a 3.0R legacy and 130i, the BMW is definitely the better drivers car. Partly coz it's done way less k's so feels tighter, but RWD > AWD, I6 > F6, trans and steering feel is better, nicer interior etc.
i never clicked so fast
Good video
@@KiwiCarLife indeed