The music at the beginning reminds me of 2girls1 cupLOL.Nevertheless, Miller should have won.Everyone focuses on vault, but floor was unfair. Miller got 9.9with a great routine.She deserved 9.912. Gutsu got 9.925 with a two meter step. seriously?The rules said she should have gotten 1-2 tenths off, and that was ignored.A fair score would have been 9.900, with miller winning 39.737 to 39.712.THAT would be fair. Miller had two small wobbles,compared to form break in gutsu vault and 2 meter lunge.
9.95 would have been more appropriate for Bogi. She really only had that one error, and it was the last rotation where scores tend to be high. She did hit a good routine, and it certainly wasn't the least difficult routine in the top 10 all-arounders either.
All discussions aside on who should've won (I still think Miller was robbed of a 10 on vault), I miss the drama the sport used to have. Look at us now, 0 nada nothing interesting to talk about our sport. No grace, beauty, originality or innovation.... it's just numbers and math in motion. Even though I may not be happy with Gutsu "winning", I will forever miss the style of gymnastics it once exuded. It will never be what it used to be.
I agree that people running at gymnastics are such boobs nowadays on the floor routine, you don't see anything that can relate to the little girl like a backwalk over a handspring, they all have to do these really ugly jumps that you can only do with Springs I mean, it's just. Gross, there's no, like relatibility to the little girl. You have to be able to do a double back with a flap. Or just even like, look at the gymnastics. It's so gross, and they never talk about. The terms like when they fall out the commentators. It's just so gross now. I agree, I still enjoy it but it just doesn't make any sense to me. You know, do a walk over. Or a backhand Spring or a diabraal diabraals are pretty. I mean, these things that are just basic gymnastics are not even seen so that normal girl?
Not sure about Miller score on beam. Two bobbles and she didn’t hold the hand stand on the Miller for even a split second . And too high for both on floor . I have them tied overall
Bogui was overscored all through her carreer with the notable exception of this competition. And those tears when her beam score comes up - yeah, they are true.
Gutsu’s second vault was way over scored and her first vault was over scored. Split legs, shuffle on the landing and her second vault had split open legs in the air and super low chested landing. Now watch Shannon vault. Absolutely perfect.
I think floor was the place where Gutsu got her score gift. I couldn't believe it when I first watched it 18 years ago that her routine got a 9.925 for that landing on her mount. I still can't believe it to this day. And then when I learned that she was put in dishonestly, I almost cried.
Then Shannon should have been deducted atleast 0.15 for her step back on a double pike of all things. Gutsu's mistake came on the 2nd most difficult tumble in the comp and the judges took that into consideration. BTW Miller was gifted on beam, no way did she deserve to outscore Gutsu there.
Gutsu was perfect on the other passes, including the dance elements, despite her coreography being a little crappy. So, 0.75 in deductions was appropriated. What makes 9.925 acceptable. Miller was gifted on beam. Look it up.
@@lucaslobo3321 Link?? And no Miller shouldn't have been deducted 0.15 for being over rotated @Shushunovafan, Gustu didn't even make it all the way round and took a big step and squat ....
I totally agree, while shannon may have had a couple tiny wobbles on beam and that step back on floor, steps backwards are generally more accepted than steps forward. Gutsu hardly made that DLO around. I realise its a difficult skill, but that does not excuse the fault. And the fact her vault got only .025 less than Miller's is just a joke. Miller's was perfect.
Miller's vaults were better and she scored higher. And even though Miller did not have a step forward in her first tumbling pass, she had a massive step backwards on her second pass. Miller had the better choreography, no question.
I'm a massive Shannon fan and believe she was robbed of gold, but "best gymnast America ever had" when we have Simone Biles? Even Shannon says Simone is the best. You can like Shannon better, but Simone is GOAT.
The biggest black mark ever on the all around Olympic competition, without debate or question. The coaches for that Unified team should have faced massive sanctions for their dishonesty in removing Galieva in favor of Gutsu. No remarks or arguments will ever change my view. She may have won, but she certainly didn’t earn her spot. What infuriates me even more is how she says she understands how and why Rosa was so upset and didn’t want to talk. No honey, you don’t understand and never will- and how presumptuous and childish to say you do know. History shows her as the all around champion- and demonstrates how toxic this sport was.
I think if she had been able to do a proper jump after her back walkover, she would have scored a great deal higher. But they were not giving her ANY leeway in these Olympics so she had to be perfect to get those nice, big scores.
Абсолютна олімпійська чемпіонка Таня Гуцу! Перша українська спортсменка на чию честь пролунав гімн України і піднявся український прапор на Олімпійських іграх 1992 в Барселоні!
Boginskaya's difficulty was really lacking. Gymnastics in the early nineties was not judged on execution that much but on difficulty and stuck landings
Wow- I can't get over how sad everyone looks while the flags are going up. Even Gutsu doesn't look happy. (I mean the other two I can almost understand as some of the scoring seems a bit off to my untrained eye but the gold medalist should be a bit happy surely?).
I would have LOVED for Bogi to be an olympic aa champ, but that beam had several visible errors and slight breaks. I do think she was underscored, should have been a bronze, but a 9.987 would have been outrageous and im glad the judges deducted her for her errors, unlike Shannon Miller who was gifted beam scores that she blatantly didnt deserve.
Boginskaya should've taken the bronze even with the errors on beam and low difficulty on bars. Milosivici was overscored on beam. She had a wobble in the full turn and big hop back on the dismount. Bogi was robbed here. But what about Gustu's floor score then ;)?
I thought Miller was gifted the AA silver. Deserved a 10 on vault I guess, but overscored greatly on both beam and floor, not deducted for her mistakes on either one at all. Boginskaya and Milo shoudl have both finished ahead of her, especialy Boginskaya.
um how exactly? She wasn't even elegant as one would expect from a soviet gymnast (which she essentially was). Her split-legged double layout can hardly be considered "pushing the sport forward"
Whilst I agree if Miller was worth 9.975 Gutsu at best 9.925 this was vintage gymnastics... so many greats and at least six with Zmeskal and Onodi and my fav Lyseneko out of the running who would have made nine who had a chance at Gold
People can talk about difficulty all they want, but at the end of the day, Miller's and Gutsu's routines all had the same starting value of 10.0, and they were judged accordingly. You can call it unfair, but that's how it is. In these very same Olympics, was it fair that Lyssenko's (stuck) double twisting yurchenko scored lower than many full twisting yurchenkos? No, it was completely unfair, but her starting value was the same as all the others, so the deductions were taken from the same point
Miller did not deserve the silver. She was overscored majorly on both floor and beam. Her floor had much weaker tumbling than the best and a big mistake on her 2nd pass, and was so boring and prissy. Her beam had 2 significant wobbles that others were getting killed and and they were ignored in her score. What a joke she outscored Gutsu on beam with bigger mistakes, much less difficulty and less amplitude, LOL! Gutsu should get gold, Bogi or Milo silver and bronze.
Miller deserved the gold no questions, her vault deserved a 10.
26yrs later and I'm still pissed LOL . . rigged. So rigged!
No question at all whatsoever. Like Tim Daggett said "the best piece of gymnatics I've ever seen".
Miller was robbed in the entire Olympics
Not to mention Gutsu should never have been competing in the first place, Galieva was robbed of her chance to compete by the cheating soviets as well.
Agreed 100%. Gutsu's vault had some major flaws. Splitting of the legs at the top of the vault, and the major foot separation on the landing.
I still couldn't care less who won. Three of my favorite all-arounders of all time on the podium, each with near-perfect performances. Beautiful.
The music at the beginning reminds me of 2girls1 cupLOL.Nevertheless, Miller should have won.Everyone focuses on vault, but floor was unfair. Miller got 9.9with a great routine.She deserved 9.912. Gutsu got 9.925 with a two meter step. seriously?The rules said she should have gotten 1-2 tenths off, and that was ignored.A fair score would have been 9.900, with miller winning 39.737 to 39.712.THAT would be fair. Miller had two small wobbles,compared to form break in gutsu vault and 2 meter lunge.
If that deserved a 9.95 then Miller deserved a 10.
9.95 would have been more appropriate for Bogi. She really only had that one error, and it was the last rotation where scores tend to be high. She did hit a good routine, and it certainly wasn't the least difficult routine in the top 10 all-arounders either.
All discussions aside on who should've won (I still think Miller was robbed of a 10 on vault), I miss the drama the sport used to have. Look at us now, 0 nada nothing interesting to talk about our sport. No grace, beauty, originality or innovation.... it's just numbers and math in motion. Even though I may not be happy with Gutsu "winning", I will forever miss the style of gymnastics it once exuded. It will never be what it used to be.
I agree these were the great years imo...I miss these times. Wish the sport would go back to the way it was
I agree that people running at gymnastics are such boobs nowadays on the floor routine, you don't see anything that can relate to the little girl like a backwalk over a handspring, they all have to do these really ugly jumps that you can only do with Springs I mean, it's just. Gross, there's no, like relatibility to the little girl. You have to be able to do a double back with a flap. Or just even like, look at the gymnastics. It's so gross, and they never talk about. The terms like when they fall out the commentators. It's just so gross now. I agree, I still enjoy it but it just doesn't make any sense to me. You know, do a walk over. Or a backhand Spring or a diabraal diabraals are pretty. I mean, these things that are just basic gymnastics are not even seen so that normal girl?
My scores:
Miller:
vault 10
UB 9.925
BB 9.912
Floor 9.912
total 39.749
Gutsu
Vault 9.937
ub 9.95
bb 9.925
floor 9.912
total 39.724
Not sure about Miller score on beam. Two bobbles and she didn’t hold the hand stand on the Miller for even a split second . And too high for both on floor . I have them tied overall
Miller's vault was extreme 😳 gymnastics. So was her beam routine.
Gutzuz beam was the best and tough
Bogui was overscored all through her carreer with the notable exception of this competition. And those tears when her beam score comes up - yeah, they are true.
Boginskaya was even more underscored in beam finals when she was only given a 9.862. She was underscored all Games.
shannon won the gold. her first vault was a 10. it was more perfect than the other 2 10's in that games.
Gutsu’s second vault was way over scored and her first vault was over scored. Split legs, shuffle on the landing and her second vault had split open legs in the air and super low chested landing. Now watch Shannon vault. Absolutely perfect.
I think floor was the place where Gutsu got her score gift. I couldn't believe it when I first watched it 18 years ago that her routine got a 9.925 for that landing on her mount. I still can't believe it to this day. And then when I learned that she was put in dishonestly, I almost cried.
I totally agree. She should have been deducted .1 for that big step forward on her split double layout.
Then Shannon should have been deducted atleast 0.15 for her step back on a double pike of all things. Gutsu's mistake came on the 2nd most difficult tumble in the comp and the judges took that into consideration. BTW Miller was gifted on beam, no way did she deserve to outscore Gutsu there.
Gutsu was perfect on the other passes, including the dance elements, despite her coreography being a little crappy.
So, 0.75 in deductions was appropriated. What makes 9.925 acceptable. Miller was gifted on beam. Look it up.
@@lucaslobo3321 Link?? And no Miller shouldn't have been deducted 0.15 for being over rotated @Shushunovafan, Gustu didn't even make it all the way round and took a big step and squat ....
gutsu was majorly gifted on floor and vault.
MILLER DESERVED GOLD ALLL THE WAY!
I totally agree, while shannon may have had a couple tiny wobbles on beam and that step back on floor, steps backwards are generally more accepted than steps forward. Gutsu hardly made that DLO around. I realise its a difficult skill, but that does not excuse the fault. And the fact her vault got only .025 less than Miller's is just a joke. Miller's was perfect.
Miller deserved gold. I disnt like Gutsu
Couldn’t agree more. Gutsu didn’t deserve to even compete, but her corrupt coaches lied and put her in. It’s a stain on the Olympics.
TY so much for uploading this in such nice quality!
Are you crazy? Miller deserved the Gold..period
Miller didn't win, but she had the crowd at her side.
Back when perfection mattered in gymnastics....
I miss these years...
Miller's vaults were better and she scored higher. And even though Miller did not have a step forward in her first tumbling pass, she had a massive step backwards on her second pass. Miller had the better choreography, no question.
Miller was underscored unjustly, here as well as event finals.
I still think Miller was robbed :( Thanks so much for posting this!
Shannon Miller, one of the all greats was robbed this entire Olympics. She is the best gymnast America ever had
I'm a massive Shannon fan and believe she was robbed of gold, but "best gymnast America ever had" when we have Simone Biles? Even Shannon says Simone is the best. You can like Shannon better, but Simone is GOAT.
The biggest black mark ever on the all around Olympic competition, without debate or question. The coaches for that Unified team should have faced massive sanctions for their dishonesty in removing Galieva in favor of Gutsu. No remarks or arguments will ever change my view. She may have won, but she certainly didn’t earn her spot.
What infuriates me even more is how she says she understands how and why Rosa was so upset and didn’t want to talk. No honey, you don’t understand and never will- and how presumptuous and childish to say you do know. History shows her as the all around champion- and demonstrates how toxic this sport was.
Boginskaya got underscored on beam!
I agree
I think if she had been able to do a proper jump after her back walkover, she would have scored a great deal higher. But they were not giving her ANY leeway in these Olympics so she had to be perfect to get those nice, big scores.
Абсолютна олімпійська чемпіонка Таня Гуцу! Перша українська спортсменка на чию честь пролунав гімн України і піднявся український прапор на Олімпійських іграх 1992 в Барселоні!
Boginskaya's difficulty was really lacking. Gymnastics in the early nineties was not judged on execution that much but on difficulty and stuck landings
Awessome coverage.
thanks for sharing this!
Wow- I can't get over how sad everyone looks while the flags are going up. Even Gutsu doesn't look happy. (I mean the other two I can almost understand as some of the scoring seems a bit off to my untrained eye but the gold medalist should be a bit happy surely?).
even boginskaya wobbles it seems so beautiful.
I would have LOVED for Bogi to be an olympic aa champ, but that beam had several visible errors and slight breaks. I do think she was underscored, should have been a bronze, but a 9.987 would have been outrageous and im glad the judges deducted her for her errors, unlike Shannon Miller who was gifted beam scores that she blatantly didnt deserve.
Boginskaya should've taken the bronze even with the errors on beam and low difficulty on bars. Milosivici was overscored on beam. She had a wobble in the full turn and big hop back on the dismount. Bogi was robbed here. But what about Gustu's floor score then ;)?
I would prefer Lysenko instead of Bogi.
I thought Miller was gifted the AA silver. Deserved a 10 on vault I guess, but overscored greatly on both beam and floor, not deducted for her mistakes on either one at all. Boginskaya and Milo shoudl have both finished ahead of her, especialy Boginskaya.
Shannon Miller is the real all around champion! She was robbed!
um how exactly? She wasn't even elegant as one would expect from a soviet gymnast (which she essentially was). Her split-legged double layout can hardly be considered "pushing the sport forward"
Whilst I agree if Miller was worth 9.975 Gutsu at best 9.925 this was vintage gymnastics... so many greats and at least six with Zmeskal and Onodi and my fav Lyseneko out of the running who would have made nine who had a chance at Gold
I do think that Miller was robbed too. Miller was a lot better than Gutsu.
Gutsu beat Miller like she stole something!
Boginskaya should had medaled. Milosovich had a lot of errors.
Gutsu: Most boring soviet production ever. This perspective still proves to me how robbed Miller was.
Anna Pavfan and that boring hideous choreography on floor. Eeeew
Gutsu Miller two best forever
To me Shannon Miller was better....😲
People can talk about difficulty all they want, but at the end of the day, Miller's and Gutsu's routines all had the same starting value of 10.0, and they were judged accordingly. You can call it unfair, but that's how it is. In these very same Olympics, was it fair that Lyssenko's (stuck) double twisting yurchenko scored lower than many full twisting yurchenkos? No, it was completely unfair, but her starting value was the same as all the others, so the deductions were taken from the same point
That kind of thinking is what allowed gymnasts like Gina Gogean to outscore gymnasts like Kui in 97. As in, it doesn't help the sport at all.
I think Milo was underscored on bars...I think she should have placed higher personally she is my champion
I still to this day despise the New Life rule. Ruins the prestige a bit for me.
Shannon was robbed. Gutsu shouldn’t have qualified and she had major flaws
Miller did not deserve the silver. She was overscored majorly on both floor and beam. Her floor had much weaker tumbling than the best and a big mistake on her 2nd pass, and was so boring and prissy. Her beam had 2 significant wobbles that others were getting killed and and they were ignored in her score. What a joke she outscored Gutsu on beam with bigger mistakes, much less difficulty and less amplitude, LOL! Gutsu should get gold, Bogi or Milo silver and bronze.
Milo was overscored on vault.
You are delusional if you think even Bogi should've taken silver..