Midas DN4816-0 is affected by any gain changes the performers make in the XR18. As a FOH sound guy, I do NOT want them making changes to my signal, or any sound coloration from the preamps, or latency from A/D D/A conversion. Good old fashioned analog splitter snake is still 100% the better way to go. But thanks for yet another informative video! :)
Oh totally! As a FOH guy, I would want a physical split as well. The main purpose of the DN4816-O in this video was for the additional outputs via Ultranet, but the digital split was a little added bonus. Thanks for watching!
If You mixing from FOH speakers, I recon You do, then to compensate latency move your desk fiew feet closer ;), DN4816-0 has 0.5 ms latency, if signal is not clipping, regain it at Your console as desired. Let's move on with technology.
Gain structure is set and forget .. for digital mixer, set the gain to -18dbfs.. then do not touch it again. Even in physical split, the audio signal going to the aux busses will be affected once there is a change in gain structure..
There I was, wondering how to get an "alternate" output from the XR18.... Then the DN4816-O segment began and I realized you were saying "ulTRAnet!" Great video, as always.
Oh man! That is quite an interesting thought. I'll have to add that sometime! The only downside is that you would have to have a computer or tablet ready to adjust the gain on the XR18, but if you had the same setup every time, you wouldn't have to do much adjustment. Cool idea!
This is more or less the setup I built for our string band. I’m using a transformer isolated analog split but otherwise pretty similar. We’ve had lots of issues with RF interference from the Sennheiser XSW system. Wondering if a larger combined antenna setup would alleviate these issues but otherwise it’s been a great setup
Great vid…. A very important piece of information is that the outputs are LINE level, post gain. A FOH guy should catch this but still probably a good idea to mention it.
@@DrewBrashler Hi Drew. You definitely did mention it int he video. I meant that the band should probably mention it to the venue. For instance, if a band comes off the DN using an XLR snake to feed FOH, as a FOH person my first thoughts would be, "ok maybe these are MIC level splits", until I did my due diligence and traced the snake back to it's line level source. As an alternate solution a split snake would also do the job, and would be an exact split, pre gain.
Hey @Drewbrashler thanks for making this video. If you had to do this with more than one P16 monitors and P16D switch over ULTRANET, will the routing config on XR18 be different from the one in this video?
Hi Drew! It's a interesting idea, but I think it`ll be better, for common case, to get Behringer HA6000 instead Midas DN4816-0. Because you can mix stereo Main and mono buses for 6 IEM stereo mixes inside.
If you were planning to use the Main outputs to a Bose PA instead of FOH type situation, could you configure the Midas outputs as stereo sends for additional IEMs? Someone mixes the Main Outputs to the PA for audience, and then the band does their own mix for IEM...
So, doing this, going into the aux mixes on your mixer app and changing the volume of elements you don't want in that ear is how you'd mix the stereo field?
I would love to purchase the DN4888 but I would like to know if I can use the ultra network to get a in ear mix, and send sound to and from the mixer to the DN4888? Ps I want to find a way to use the P-16 for IEM
I have a network for the equipment and another network for the users. Between the networks there is a firewall. I need to know which TCP/IP ports should be allowed on the firewall. Do you know what ports?
Hello , Drew! I am a musician at Phnom Penh New Life Church in Cambodia. I have been watching your video for a long time. Thank you for your Sharing! Can you make a video of using X-32(FOH mixer) and X-32 Rack(Stage and IEM mixer) sharing the same input from S32 stagebox and can control both mixer individually such as Preamp, EQ... but except mute from FOH mixer, please! Because I want X-32 Rack to control sound on stage like IEM and floor monitor for rehearsal without turn on FOH mixer. But when sunday worship come I want FOH mixer could possibility control mute on X-32 Rack also, and X-32 Rack still can use to control sound on stage as well.
So we won't be able to use any FX to the IEM if we use FX send as IEM too, right? Some musician or vocalist do want some FX in their mix. Or am I missing something here? 😅
It is all tradeoffs. You would have to decide where the priority is in this case. But you can always do a IEM's from the FX sends and then leave 1 or 2 FX for use with effects.
You can totally use a splitter, for a physical split rather than a digital, I think it would be a better way to do it. However you wouldn't be able to get the additional ultranet outputs without using the DN4816-O.
we have a XR18 and we want to use digital plugins for our guitars, bass and vocals. from the DAW I mean. Also 5 stereo in-ear setups. Is it possible with this setup? If not, what would be your suggestion?
Digital plugins as an insert on your channels would be no problem, you can do that via Waves SuperRack Performer: czcams.com/video/m_TGEFNvdNA/video.html. For getting 5 stereo in-ear setups, you would need to swap to a different console, like the X32 Rack. The X-Air only has 6 mono auxes, the stereo main LR, and then 4 mono EFX sends. So it just isn't possible.
@@DrewBrashler Thanks! checked the video, really helpful one. If I got it right I can use more or less the same setup you show there with Gig Performer instead of Waves Super Rack, am I right?
Why wouldn’t you just get p16 personal monitors. Seems like that’s the ultimate IEM rig… everyone has instant control of their own mix and is the simplest setup as well.
Hey,thanks for this suggestion. When using multiple P16 with a P16D switch,Is the routing on XR18 the same as done in Drew's video or is there somewhere config to be done?
Midas DN4816-0 is affected by any gain changes the performers make in the XR18. As a FOH sound guy, I do NOT want them making changes to my signal, or any sound coloration from the preamps, or latency from A/D D/A conversion. Good old fashioned analog splitter snake is still 100% the better way to go. But thanks for yet another informative video! :)
Oh totally! As a FOH guy, I would want a physical split as well. The main purpose of the DN4816-O in this video was for the additional outputs via Ultranet, but the digital split was a little added bonus. Thanks for watching!
If You mixing from FOH speakers, I recon You do, then to compensate latency move your desk fiew feet closer ;), DN4816-0 has 0.5 ms latency, if signal is not clipping, regain it at Your console as desired.
Let's move on with technology.
Gain structure is set and forget .. for digital mixer, set the gain to -18dbfs.. then do not touch it again. Even in physical split, the audio signal going to the aux busses will be affected once there is a change in gain structure..
Fantastic tutorial as usual, keep up the great work Drew
Thanks so much!
Always enjoying your content watching from Bolivia ❤
Nick from Vanuatu, thanks for the informitive videos mate.
Great information, as usual.
Glad it was helpful!
I'm in Brazil, thanks for your service. We love you!
Thanks so much!
Great info!
Thanks!
Thanks for your teaching. Please I love you to make, a video connecting x air mixer to a drive rack pa or pa+ and connect to live sessions
There I was, wondering how to get an "alternate" output from the XR18....
Then the DN4816-O segment began and I realized you were saying "ulTRAnet!"
Great video, as always.
Thanks so much!
Nice Video, thanks for your explanation. Maybe you can show how to connect a XR 18 via the Klark DN4816U to the Behringer Wing, to get more Inputs.
Oh man! That is quite an interesting thought. I'll have to add that sometime! The only downside is that you would have to have a computer or tablet ready to adjust the gain on the XR18, but if you had the same setup every time, you wouldn't have to do much adjustment. Cool idea!
Nice very usefull
Glad you liked it!
This is more or less the setup I built for our string band. I’m using a transformer isolated analog split but otherwise pretty similar. We’ve had lots of issues with RF interference from the Sennheiser XSW system. Wondering if a larger combined antenna setup would alleviate these issues but otherwise it’s been a great setup
You can actually use the XR18 headphone send for 2x mono Aux sends instead of losing 2 of the ultranet output channels.
Waiting this kind of great video on studiolive III mixer
Don't worry, I'll be making more PreSonus videos soon!
Combining this setup with waves superrack performer is the ultimate ultimate rig 😅
HAH! Nice. Well I guess I'll have to make another video! 😅
Great vid…. A very important piece of information is that the outputs are LINE level, post gain. A FOH guy should catch this but still probably a good idea to mention it.
Oh yeah, I did mention it at 05:55 in the video. Mixing FOH mid show and having gains being adjusted would be a nightmare!
@@DrewBrashler Hi Drew. You definitely did mention it int he video. I meant that the band should probably mention it to the venue. For instance, if a band comes off the DN using an XLR snake to feed FOH, as a FOH person my first thoughts would be, "ok maybe these are MIC level splits", until I did my due diligence and traced the snake back to it's line level source. As an alternate solution a split snake would also do the job, and would be an exact split, pre gain.
Hey @Drewbrashler thanks for making this video. If you had to do this with more than one P16 monitors and P16D switch over ULTRANET, will the routing config on XR18 be different from the one in this video?
Hi Drew! It's a interesting idea, but I think it`ll be better, for common case, to get Behringer HA6000 instead Midas DN4816-0. Because you can mix stereo Main and mono buses for 6 IEM stereo mixes inside.
DN4816-0 is more of digital snake, not headphone amp/mixer.
That is also a great idea!
If you were planning to use the Main outputs to a Bose PA instead of FOH type situation, could you configure the Midas outputs as stereo sends for additional IEMs? Someone mixes the Main Outputs to the PA for audience, and then the band does their own mix for IEM...
So, doing this, going into the aux mixes on your mixer app and changing the volume of elements you don't want in that ear is how you'd mix the stereo field?
so what is going out to the house? do you have to have other equipment for recording, streaming etc out to house?
I would love to purchase the DN4888 but I would like to know if I can use the ultra network to get a in ear mix, and send sound to and from the mixer to the DN4888?
Ps I want to find a way to use the P-16 for IEM
In the same way, I can use AUX 1-6 from XR18 for my floor monitors and then use the Midas DN4816-0 for IEMs. right?
thanks! Can XR18 receive signals from ultranet? or it cen only sent to them?
Awesome video Drew. So I’m curious, if I used a xlr to LR 1/4 Would it still be mono.?
The answer will be: yes, it would be mono.
@@meirabass ok cool cool, thanks man🤟🏾🤟🏾
Drew can you do a video on this same kind of video with the x32
What do you have in mind with the video? A ultimate IEM setup for the X32 kind of thing? Thanks!
I have a network for the equipment and another network for the users. Between the networks there is a firewall.
I need to know which TCP/IP ports should be allowed on the firewall.
Do you know what ports?
Can I use the DN4888 as well like this
is there any risk to the dn4816 if front of house accidentally sends phantom power back though one of the channels?
how can you connect this to x32?
Hello , Drew! I am a musician at Phnom Penh New Life Church in Cambodia. I have been watching your video for a long time. Thank you for your Sharing!
Can you make a video of using X-32(FOH mixer) and X-32 Rack(Stage and IEM mixer) sharing the same input from S32 stagebox and can control both mixer individually such as Preamp, EQ... but except mute from FOH mixer, please! Because I want X-32 Rack to control sound on stage like IEM and floor monitor for rehearsal without turn on FOH mixer. But when sunday worship come I want FOH mixer could possibility control mute on X-32 Rack also, and X-32 Rack still can use to control sound on stage as well.
Can i use DN4816 for IEM output stereo?
The midas dn4816-o is out of stock everywhere in USA 😣
So we won't be able to use any FX to the IEM if we use FX send as IEM too, right? Some musician or vocalist do want some FX in their mix. Or am I missing something here? 😅
It is all tradeoffs. You would have to decide where the priority is in this case. But you can always do a IEM's from the FX sends and then leave 1 or 2 FX for use with effects.
@@DrewBrashler Good point as there are 4 FX channels, so there would be two left over, cool, beans, thanks for posting.
@@DrewBrashler yup..thank you for sharing.
Also what is the advantage of this over using a relatively cheap splitter?
You can totally use a splitter, for a physical split rather than a digital, I think it would be a better way to do it. However you wouldn't be able to get the additional ultranet outputs without using the DN4816-O.
we have a XR18 and we want to use digital plugins for our guitars, bass and vocals. from the DAW I mean. Also 5 stereo in-ear setups. Is it possible with this setup? If not, what would be your suggestion?
Digital plugins as an insert on your channels would be no problem, you can do that via Waves SuperRack Performer: czcams.com/video/m_TGEFNvdNA/video.html. For getting 5 stereo in-ear setups, you would need to swap to a different console, like the X32 Rack. The X-Air only has 6 mono auxes, the stereo main LR, and then 4 mono EFX sends. So it just isn't possible.
@@DrewBrashler Thanks! checked the video, really helpful one. If I got it right I can use more or less the same setup you show there with Gig Performer instead of Waves Super Rack, am I right?
Absolutely! You can use any DAW in this manner, just make sure the buffer is small to get the lowest latency!
I have 6 band members can I get 6 stereo iem mixes
And still be able to send horns background vocals separate
You would need to change to a different board to get 6 stereo IEM's, the X-Air only has 6 mono auxes, the stereo main LR, and then 4 mono EFX sends.
I’m asking cause I’m getting the Midas extension
sadly, the earliest signal tap is still post-gain... So it does'nt work as good as it should.
Why wouldn’t you just get p16 personal monitors. Seems like that’s the ultimate IEM rig… everyone has instant control of their own mix and is the simplest setup as well.
Hey,thanks for this suggestion. When using multiple P16 with a P16D switch,Is the routing on XR18 the same as done in Drew's video or is there somewhere config to be done?
Thank you for the video but the fact that you look at somewhere else is extremely distracting :(
Sorry that is a distraction, my left eye is blind and lazy, so its not actually looking at anything. lol!
@@DrewBrashler ok, then I’m so sorry for saying that. I thought you were using some sort of screen to read the texts.
Hah! I wish, that would be the ultimate teleprompter! No worries man!