Laugo Arms Alien vs 2011 Shoot Out!
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- čas přidán 16. 06. 2024
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The Laugo Arms Alien Creator Evolution Limited Optics is a high end competition gun for USPSA - but how does it rank against high end 2011s head to head? We shoot the gun against the Masterpiece Arms DS9 and DS9-LOC as well as the Staccato XC and CZ Shadow 2!
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0:00 Intro
1:11 Overview
2:45 Slow Motion Analysis
6:06 The Ridge Sponsorship
7:13 Doubles Analysis
11:31 Practical - 7 yards
15:25 Practical - 15 yards
18:31 Practical - 25 yards
22:11 Accuracy Testing
25:09 Final Thoughts - Zábava
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We are the Polish distributor of Laugo Arms and have extensive experience with Alien pistols. I have clients (IPSC shooters) who have shot through their pistols 40K, 60 K, or even 100 K without more significant problems.
how often you have to replace the spring system and clean the gun? I heard you have to change it very often , and keep the gun clean not sure if is true.
Hey, do us a favour. When you are comparing high end guns, I'd love for you to throw in a decent entry level gun for comparison too. Like a glock or an M&P or something. Because while comparing the Alien to some high end guns is amazing, I'm genuinely curious as to how much advantage you get as a good shooter vs "generic" guns. I'm only a "meh" shooter - working my way up, but at this point I can say my limitations are me, not my equipment. But I'd love to see how that relationship changes.
Good point. I second this.
doesn’t the s2 fill that slot?
It would be pointless because these guns are absolutely better. They won't make a horrible shooter good but they will make a good shooter better. There are separate videos you can search comparing a Glock to a Nighthawk and I can pretty much guarantee they will all say the Nighthawk is better if you can afford it.
@@monkey6430 Yeah, I think you could say it does. The S2 is one of the two most popular pistols in USPSA Carry Optics.
Me too !
It’s been too long since we had a good psychedelic showing and description of the ULTIMATE RACER. Nice to see it’s still around!
Great meeting you at shot show and we're happy you were able to get your hands on the alien! Great review!
Excellent, excellent comparison. Loved the overlay illustration.
really appreciate you including the shadow 2 sir! thank you
Nice comparison bro!! I run a DS9 LOC and it’s a phenomenal pistol. I truly couldn’t ask for more but to each their own. Thanks for another informative video!
Your videos are awesome, thank you.
Great to hear that I'm not the only one running S3 grips on my LOC and on my IDPA MPA. Seems like when everybody else grabs my gun they are like it's to aggressive for their sensitive hands. Great review.
It’s a lot to manage
Hands down The Alien. I have the first 2 editions and I love them. As a lefty, I had to modify my grip but I can shoot more accurately with my Alien than any of my other guns including the CZ Czechmate. As far as parts, they do have comprehensive parts kits available occasionally. After around 5000 rounds, mine still runs flawlessly.
how often you have to change the spring system and how often you have to clean the pistol?
@@Gabierama I have an ultrasonic cleaner so I never let it get too dirty. I have done classes with 500-700 rounds and with a mild cleaning every few days haven't had a problem. The slide stop has been the only part to wear consistently. It is my favorite pistol and definitely keeps me from my other weapons!
@@moodied Which ultrasonic cleaner do you have?
Do you use any specific ultrasonic solution?
Do you place the whole pistol inside the ultrasonic or just some parts?
@@Gabierama Hornady Hot Tub, with hornady one shot cleaner, simple green and Lyman ultrasonic gun lube. I mostly do parts but occasionally have dropped the upper slide then ran it through the oil bath. I would never place the entire gun or not disassemble.
Excellent video!
I installed Palm Swell grips and magwell brass of Lokgrips. My Rival S weights 57 oz and it's a real pleasure to shoot .
Me thinks the S2 Optics Ready for 1.2k With SAO Conversion is an attractive option for price and performance. I believe thats why people like comparisons .
I bought a 2011 and had plans to trick it out but by the time i had everything i wanted . It was not worth doing.
I went S2 SAO route and came in just shy of 2k for everything including optic.
Of course in the future I'll end up getting nice 2011 . I dont think it will be any tine soon. I like running pistols for 2 to 3 years before i even think about switching .
It took 3 years to go from X5 LEGION to CZ SP01 / S2 SAO . I was noticeable bettee with CZs Vs X5 and that was after the first range trip .
Those MPA 2011s are freaking legit . Ive had the pleasure of shooting couple after matches . Staccato XC is probably the best 2011 ive fired to date . I have not fired any Atlas 2011s yet . The clubs i shoot at Staccato , MPA , Springy and CZs is what huge number use in L.O...
Alien looks absolutely phenomenal but its not practical for me to ever own . Anything more than 2k i cannot justify doing at this time .
Absolutely phenomenal video bro . Truly awesome data collected..
Thanks for the vid, bummer the cz died. As that is what I own now (And I guess lots of other people) was looking forward to seeing the shooting comparisons to it.
Great comparison! Love videos like this. The DS9s are $1k - $1.5k less expensive, right? I'd go DS9 LOC. Regardless of the price, I'd worry the more direct recoil impulse of the Alien would tire me out/annoy my joints (but I'm an old ex rockclimber with very abused elbows). The Alien also needs to prove itself reliable, etc. It's a very cool gun tho.
Alien aside, I'm currently trying to decide which MPA to buy so this helps a bit. I was gonna go for a Hybrid but now I'm thinking LOC. Tough choice. No sanctioned competitions in my neck of the woods so I get to buy whatever looks most fun.😉
Cheers, thanks for the long form video and thanks for including the S2 and XC. They're also very useful comparisons. I'm a CZ fanboy who just purchased a gently used S2 Orange cut for CZC optics plates at a terrific price and a Staccato P owner who's pretty XC curious.
I'd go with Alien, primarily because of the weight advantage over the steel frame 2011. Great comparison, thanks a lot. 👍
Well I got one of the newer built DS9 with aluminum grip and have shot the LOC. I got the DS9 for under 3k out the door so that would probably be my move everything considering price to performance ratio. However I am going to grab a LOC for when I shoot longer range outdoor matches.
Definitely 2011’s for me!
2011 Parts are everywhere & the ability to fix them is easier if needed. 2011’s are always going to be around, who knows the true longevity of Alien as a company, not to mention them even having extra wear parts available for the masses? Thanks for sharing.
Great video. I am currently running the ds9 hybrid. Would love to get my hands on the LOC. Personally I would prefer the LOC over the alien, mostly because I prefer weight and the 2011 platform. Like you said, the alien is alien.
I think my Alien LO gun is similar to my comped 2011. I don't have enough rounds through the Alien yet but I believe the Alien would have a slight advantage in competition with practice.
Any reliability concern so far? How often do you have to clean the Alien?
The heavy 2011 would be the winner in my book. Heavier guns are easier to keep stable on longer shots, and the soft recoil impulse is better IMO for longer higher round count days, and for the times where you miss your grip a little. There’s no doubt that fast cycling but snappy and flat has its place, but I’ve always found that they’re generally harder to perform consistently with because they rely more on your mechanics as a shooter to keep them still and flat vs the heavier guns just being naturally softer and nicer to shoot with less effort.
Yeah that gun is super nice.
Nice video please also include Canik Rival S and Canik TTI Combat
can't get a TTI combat yet.
Love the baseline comparison graphics! Love seeing the muzzle-rise in both slo-mo and real-time. I think you sold me on the Staccato 🤔.
Would you be interested in reviewing the CZ A-01 LD? I have one that I could send you.
Great review. I know it's hard with borrowed guns, but to be really representative, the dot size needs to be the same.😊
that's a level of effort and expense I just can't justify as a hobbyist.
Honestly, it looked like you had a good amount of performance to still pull out of the CELO. Getting the right optic and more trigger time, I'm betting that the CELO could be better at it's peak. Sounds like it'd be a race between carpal tunnel and that peak though 😆
That optic is flying high.
Largo CELO looks interesting, but the price point and the unfamiliarity of the gun will probably hold it back from being seen at local matches. Spare parts would be a issue so if anything breaks or wears out on the gun, your pretty much SOL and its not like you'll have a backup CELO you can continue a match with. (Maybe?). I think the US market share on these will stay pretty low just because of the price of really a "unproven" firearm unlike a 2011 where you can get in the game for Sub 1k or break out the CC and pay 8k+.
Was that stage at the opening of the video ( the star and plate rack) from Orr Tacticals gulf coast championship?
Yes
I shot that match too. Would've been cool if I'd gotten the chance to meet you! @@TheHumbleMarksman
totally unrelated question but does anyone know hat holsters the Holosun PID fits ? is it a TlR 1 ,X300 footprint or neither ?
Is there a noticable height over bore difference with the CELO? With the barrel lower and the optic set what looks like relatively high I'd be curious to know.
I mean technically it has more mechanical offset but practically it feels like a 2011. I didnt have issues with offset.
Are they running in the same division? In IPSC I think the Alien will compete in Production ( only DA/SA or striker fire no ports or mods except on trigger) against CZ, PDP ,Tanfoglios etc no SA guns allowed. If that is right you really have en competion gun the could give you advantage. Should be fun to see it shoot against PDP SF mach , CZ shadow 2 etc - I think it would be an winner but a very pricy one
Alien seems cool. I’ve always wanted to try one but I feel like it would take a lot of work on my end coming from 2011 and I’m just not sure I’m willing to do all that… the mag changes for sure look like it would be a disaster for me. Neat gun though
Between the Alien and the LOC which would be the one you will prefer?
Atlas Titan RDS or Brazo's Pro Limited.
The Laugo seems super interesting but also the most expensive gun in the lineup. For the money, I'd rather have the XC and a few MBX mags. For LO, I'd rather save a ton of scratch and enjoy the quality and performance of the Hybrid. I know i should probably favor the LOC if LO is the objective, but I also struggle to see the ~$1000 improvement in the LOC vs Hybrid.
I have the CELO and an Erebus. I have a thousands of rounds on the atlas, and a few hundred on the CELO. The alien really is a totally different grip when you’re trying to shoot it accurately and quickly. It definitely requires a grip adjustment. But I really like it. It’s super flat and the trigger is very fast. my 16-year-old daughter, who shoots a tricked out STI DVC3 shot the alien this past weekend from holster on USPSA targets while moving and was an absolute tack driver with it. She is completely convinced. I don’t think I’m getting it back.
I wonder if not the alien retro would be faster than the creator. Reason the grip angel is more aggressive and the low bore axel should pump more straight back. I tried the alien ( with the old angel ) vs an shadow2. It was like night and day if we talk the shooting experience (only did 200 rounds). And the smoothness is just incredible - it felt like a good handshake. I’m shooting Pdp today and that was the best fit for me until i shoot the alien. And now I have the problem to choose- alien retro games or the Pdp match steel.
Solely ergonomics wise, have you tried any VP9? I'm still at odds what to get and wish I could have just those ergos with the exchangeable sides and backstraps. Thinking about the competition or L model while also thinking about full steel heavy stuff like from Phoenix. The trigger on the Walthers is nice, basically a Q5 in a new dress.
I don’t know if you’ve talked about ergonomics on the alien. It’s one of the main things that interests me. This particular version I don’t think allows for the modular grip.
The CELO has the modular grip.
@@ZEE0H6 you are correct. I just got word from a Laugo rep that, though it doesn’t come with grip panels, it has the modular grip. Different panels are not currently available to purchase from their parts category yet though.
Great video, nice comprehensive range info. The MPA LOC seems to be the logical choice. I thought it would be a bit more accurate on the 25 yard Bullseye slow fire target. I would go with MPA LOC but for longer distances the 2.5 moa SRO would be a better choices, and for full tilt boogie it still works fast on close targets if you just bloom the dot with brighter setting. oh just FYI on my XC replaced the Poly grip with a Cheely L2 Aluminum and Steel Magwell,,, totally better feel and balance. the below parallel dip is all but gone now, much less oscillation at full speed. Keep up the good work.
You should test these guns vs CZ TS2 Orange or bronze not against standard SW2.
There is about 1 request for a TS for every 30 or so asking for shadow 2
Why is it so that the first split on first target is so musch slower then the last split on the last target?
I notice the same for my self during traning and matches. I just can not come out of the blocks at full speed.
when I'm very trained - the difference is less - I'm rusty right now because I'm just starting my training for the year next week. My presentation was slow. Part of it is getting the gun to seat in the hand I suspect - the gun is well seated after 4 shots so you can rip.
MPA-LOC hands down I love both of mine. After spending 5 years of my life dealing with a well known Czech company. Parts and service are going to be a problem with the alien. Also who builds a comp gun that cant handle coated bullets?
I love running my Rival -S against these super expensive guns in limited optics!
My Mete SFT (taylor freelance backstrap and magwell, calculated kinetics optics adapter for a 507comp, rival trigger shoe) is my favorite gun I've shot in LO🤙 In my hands, it outshot my 2011s easily and had no concerns with cleaning mags between stages 😂
@@db84drteg I'm using the disruptive defense adapter to lower the Dot for a Swampfox justice 2 6moa
What do you use for a hat cam?
Insta 360 go3
Something I notice on the slow motion is all the other guns start recoiling before the slide has stopped at the back of the frame, but the Laugo only starts moving after the slide bottoms out at the end of travel. Wonder how this affects the recoil feel?
The 2011s transfer a part of the momentum to the frame already when the barrel stops against the frame. This is claimed to be a good thing as the momentum is transfered in two portions.
@@kcampmeister-yx5lm Makes sense. Timing-wise, I imagine that might also be an advantage since the sights move sooner so there's more time to track them.
Gee David…I’m not into race guns as such. I just love your channel because you’re funny. If I had to pick one of your guns, I would go with the CZ. I have one CZ, an old CZ75 and it feels amazing and shoots better than I do. But seriously, to pick one of your winners, I would go with the heavy 2011 as it seemed to get you more naturally and you shot it well.
Yeah the 2011 is tough to beat - but I’m also tuned up for those guns. I ultimately think I chose the 2011 as well as I decided not to buy the alien.
Halfway through, and my gut says the alien is the better shooting gun. It stays flatter, and less weight makes easier on the draw and fast up close transitions.
That said, it would be stretching the budget to buy one and since I can only choose one it would probably be the MPA LOC of the ones shown. Maybe down the road the alien will have a better proven track record but I wouldnt feel comfortable trying to shoot a whole level 2 match in one day with it and lord knows neither one is going to hold me back.
Or my real life gun the DWX actually.
So I just sold my Atlas which I had built for me in leu of the CELO for my LO gun if that tells you something. Interestingly, I now own 3 Aliens and CELO seems to be ever so different. I assume that the reciprocating optic is the difference but I love it. Only have a few hundred rounds through it and no competitions yet but I believe putting in the time will pay higher dividends that my 2011s. Btw, I also own and have shot a DS9 Hybrid and love it, but again, it’s just not at the same level as CELO.
Imagine how well you’d do with trigger time on it, if you started out doing so well??
How many rounds you have shot on your Alien and how reliable the are?
I heard the spring system have to be change regularly, is that true or I just need to change the spring just like any gun every 5,000 rds?
I have easily 2000 rounds through my alien and other than the heat it builds up and the extra dirt because it is gas operated, it has been bulletproof with that said the slide does start to get a little bit gritty and reciprocate a little slower at the end of a high round count Match. I have had no problems with the recall Spring, or any other mechanical issue.
@@charitybull I guess Alien is so good, since you own 3 of them. You are convincing me to buy one. If I like it I will buy a second one.
I can’t believe you sold the Atlas 😂.
@@Gabierama I know.... especially after waiting for 4 months to get it, but as great as it was, I have so many that I enjoy shooting more that it was just sitting in the safe. You will love the alien. It is not without its flaws but there. are few guns that in and of themselves can make you better and this one truly is one.
I shoot both 2011 for years and (sponsored locally) Alien for a year competitively
Nothing gonna beat 2011 in terms of almost everything.
And 2011 is able to be shot in major loads if permited
Alien is however amazing to compete head to head with top platforms in production
Mpa because of the availability of spare parts.
Yes. Shadows kill dots and vortex do not hold up.
i haven't had a shadow kill a dot yet. we run three with different dots. no issues. yet. but i got rid of the vortex early on. not great. like the Springfield hex.... no thanks
I would take the alien
List the price as tested.
I’ll stick with my hipoint.😂
Although I understand your offhand accuracy, testing theory, I would still like to see you shoot every gun from a rest for pure accuracy.
Why? They're all obviously plenty accurate to the point where it's the shooter and not the gun.
Because I want to know how the pistol shoots with a minimum of shooter error.
My M&P with an apex barrel shoots 1” groups at25 yards.
The factory barrel shoots 4” groups.
I would never know that without shooting from a rest…
I have the original Alien and now I'm supposed to toss that and get the Creator because of the improved grip angle. Wait, now I'm supposed to toss the Creator and get the LO. Thank you but I'll stick with my 2011s. I've relegated Alien to novelty item and range toy. Alien is still fun to shoot, just too much hassle.
The try hard marksman look at me im tacticool .. 😂
Tactical isn’t in my vocabulary
The staccato had the least amount of muzzle flip.
How about pitching in the SIG P226 AXG Legion
My 1st gen Alien with Brass Lok grips is something like 54 oz and I really don't think it outperforms MPA ,especially for the money. Not to mention aftermarket support you get for 2011 pose to Alien. I've been chasing Laugo for bigger mags or mag extensions forever . New magazíne extensions do not work with original frame with magwell, so.....I got Alien for.sale.😅
I would go get me a CZ and keep my money
atlas🎉
I have seen nothing to disabuse me of the notion that the XC is the best gun in that price range.
It's still almost a grand more than the mpa with the steel frame...its also comped...
You can port those mpa's for 125 bucks if you send it to mpa
I own both and the DS9 LOC is far superior to the XC. Fit & finish, smoother and better trigger, IMO.
@@Havoc813XC feels like a super duty gun. It made some design compromise for duty gun users. I wish there is a competition version of XC.
I was hoping Alein would be much faster but it seems it would not be much of an improvement comparing to Atalas.
Those two guns cost between 7k and 5k respectively, I think I’d buy a nice Bul Armory Ultimate Racer and a ton of ammo for the cost of the alien or 2 Bul Armory URs.
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The technique used for drawing the lines and measuring is going to give you a flawed result for the XC. Since the measurement point was on the comp and the comp can move up and down under recoil (which it should because the 2011/1911 barrel tilt is intentional) you have accidentally made the XC look worse than it is. I would recommend using the line in between the frame and slide, FYI. You can see the additional gap in the frame, in your video. Good work otherwise!
No - I am measuring the top of the slide not the comp - it’s the same on all of the guns
@@TheHumbleMarksman it looks significantly more tilted in the image, but perhaps that's just the visual representation from the video. Glad to hear it was consistent.
Dude this is like the 3 or 4th time that the CZ has been snake bit by the venom. Put that sucker in the ground and make a montage of you not being able to shoot the gun because the Venom has crapped the bed...
it's got a different dot on it now.
Nothing beats the 1911/2011. No Alien BS, or anything else like it.
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Masterpiece Arms is way better looking. I love my DS9 so…
2-A-fa ... 2-A-fa.... LoL
That first line test is extremely wrong! For that test to have any validity you have to have a zero.
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Lol really I was unsubbed
What do you call a deer with no eyes? No idea. What do you call a deer with no eyes and no legs? Still no idea. What do you call a deer with no eyes, no legs and not genitalia? Still no $%^&ing idea...
Still going with glock 😅😂