Many people are looking to learn on how to work on these late models...including me. Great content! I have and LR4 that needs chains, and an LR3 with a bad engine . No worries, we will stick with your content for many years. Time is valuable, but many will spend that time to watch your vids, over and over againg.
@LostCauseRanch I don't know, I only bought it because I wanted a brush guard, tail light covers, and a roof rack from it. The engine oil looks like chocolate milk, so the head gasket may be. It's an LR3 HSE with new tires and new front airbags.
I have a 2012 Rover Sport with the 5.0 in need of a timing chain r/r. Thanks for all the videos and know I will be watching before I take on the challenge to replace mine. If you need help, let me know 😂.
Mate my family and camper trailer made it safe and sound 600+ kms further north for a long weekend they are the best given it seats 7 but hey 6 enough in comfort with the esky taking the 7th seat gotta keep things cold 🥶 lol 😂 I think you’re on the right track I was enjoy your videos do what you’re gut tells you!
Haha, that is worth giving up the 7th seat for. That's nice to be able to have something to haul the camper around with the family, these things are really super useful without being overly large.
I’m loving the progress! I would def wholesale/retail vs donating it, like you pointed out in a previous video, it’s a high maintenance gas guzzler that a non profit might not have the funds to operate vs a CR-V or equivalent. I imagine this will bring a lot of joy to the right new owner who knows what to expect.
Just a thought... You could retail Merlin but as a fully kitted and ready to go overlanding vehicle. Overland Expedition classifieds or sites like this are a good platform and from what I can see people are ready to pay a lot more to avoid spending the time/effort to do a build. Plus with your visibility to the overlanding + LR community, I'm sure it would sell fast. So that way, it provides a lot of cool content for your channel. After the budget overlanding, the greatest overlanding sounds cool ;o) The challenge is to find a way to install a rear diff but again : content Cheers!
That would be a fun way to go about it as well. I mean it is way more fun modifying stuff than just fixing haha. That would probably be the best way to make retailing it make sense.
Hmm, agree with the other commenter on time being valuable. If the value is higher for 4x4s at the time you would have the short list finished, then it's a no brainer, IMO. Dunno if retail would provide the extra bang for the buck. You would be able to hop back to your Defender quickly. I also like the idea of both organizations benefiting from the sale. Another idea is a local food pantry.
That’s where I’m kind of at too. And we still have the silver one to do some additional LR4 videos outside of the timing chain one on this. I have a line of projects behind that Defender too haha.
I do like the 944, undecided whether to keep that one around. The list isn’t terrible for the age and miles. Normal stuff with any vehicle. It sure did clean up nice.
Well, Merlin sure is looking spiffy! 😍 I bet most viewers would like to see a complete refresh on the rig, especially if you go over costs. However, I understand the time vs return conundrum you are facing. In the end, I think the decision is going to depend on what you have envisioned for your other projects and videos for them. I've always had rescue dogs, so that is also near to my heart. Conservation orgs are cool too. You won't go wrong either way. Keep up the good work, Joe! 🤟
Arson, thanks for the input! I definitely have enough projects in the shoot, so no shortage there. But this one would be a fun one to bring all the way back up. Tough call.
@@markbielawski I'm not even sure what happened there. I guess I should get checked for a stroke haha. I'll blame my phones autocorrect. What I was trying to type? Not sure haha.
Looking forward to the timing change vid. That will be good to watch. Re charity… def keep it local. I’ve owned two LR3s and would like to buy an LR4. Interested in helping me with that?
Like the options for the charity, trees for the environment and/or dogs home, how about both? Looking forward to seeing the timing chain video! Have fun
You could have "new or novice rover tech mechanics" practice on it for first hand experience, at a price then whole sale it. you make the money on whole sale, plus $$ on teaching others to work on rovers.
That's good to hear, could maybe even not take it to 100% for the right person that wants to play with it themselves a little too (That's half the fun haha).
If you wholesale anything could happen to Merlin however, if you retail it there’s a better chance of it going to someone who will look after it and as you say, the season for 4x4 is coming up.
You pin pointed my dilemma with it as well. Is it worth giving up some time/money to give it a better shot of going to someone who would really enjoy it.
That was my secret wish too haha. Someday I’ll come across the right one for that, would be way too much fun. Have plenty of ideas rolling around for that.
Tread lightly is the only organization I occasionally donate to. Retail may pencil out but theres one issue, having to deal with buyers haha. I cant stand selling things these days, so many lead brains out there. Hence why I still have my JKU that I fixed up to sell...
Tread lightly is a good suggestion. Retail is going to be pretty close to a wash so may not be worth the extra effort. I feel you there on dealing with people, that was my life for 15 years so used to it, it’s actually back to somewhat enjoyable selling things here and there now that I’m not in the “trenches” haha.
Just sell it to me! I have a 08 RR SC with the 4.2 and unfortunately had sold my 09 LR3 HSE. If you decide to sell it with the chains fixed let me know :) my father and brother are both technicians to keep it healthy for a long time to come.
Even though Merlin cleaned up real nice, I don’t think the numbers stack up to retail him, personally I think the better route is wholesale him🤔. Also if you haven’t noticed you do have one or two other projects that need your attention and are potentially more profitable LOL 😂. Local charities near to you sound the best option, but ha you will make the right call whatever you decide. 😎👍
Isn’t that the truth here in the US. Depending on what you are looking for out of a vehicle they are a nice alternative to a Jeep. They do some things worse, but also do some things better.
Haha, it's pretty much expected to get to cutting bolts on the control arms around here. Hey maybe this one will be cleaner, it was a little further south haha.
That is my guilt trip there too. Deciding whether it’s worth losing a little time/money to let it go to someone who would really enjoy it. Appreciate the input!
Hey there animal shelters sounds good to me, as far as retail and wholesale not sure really as I really don’t know what they sell for really. Plus the cost of the additional parts to be honest. Need some numbers lol
That $2900 might realistically eat up all the difference between the two. There isn’t as much mark up in used vehicles as some people think. So add time and whatever else may pop up it could be backwards to retail it.
what were the sings tha t it needs a timing chain? I have a p38 and considered replacing it with a lower mileage 2016 LR4. However, that timing chain possibility is killing that direction.
I do not know the American automotive market at all, so I do not know if the $2900 investment to do the extras will bring you more than $2900 back. What I do know is you said you acquired it cheaply, and while your time is valuable, you are doing the work yourself at essentially cost price, unlike a business. Sooooo all things considering, I say do the chains and the extras and retail it. As far as who to donate to, I am all for a dog rescue organisation, my daughter has two rescue dogs. It saddens me to see dogs get put down.
Realistically in the current market the $2900 would probably eat up the majority of the difference in wholesale vs retail. So that is where the dilemma comes for me as well. I would much rather see it go to someone that would love it. But it doesn’t necessarily pencil out well in that direction. So I just need to decide if it is worth losing out on time and possibly a little money taking it all the way. I’m a bleeding heart when it comes to rescue dogs as well. Sucks to see so many sitting in shelters and worse getting out down. So I agree with you there.
Wholesale would be the sensible option would love to see it Retailed because of the video content but it would probably not make economic sense unless the extra content managed to increase your viewing figures, as for a worthy cause the local homes and struggling families. Joe
That’s the real decision there. The hood thing is either way we still have the silver one around to keep up on some interesting LR4 stuff. I just have the Defender to finish along with the NADA, G4, Eco and Range Rover Camper behind that.
Can i know the wholesale price? I can do lower control arms and find tires for it, but the timing chains would scare me away haha. Wife did really like these and we are expecting and my 4runner might be getting eaten by rust faster than i thought :(
@@LostCauseRanch I'm in Northern Illinois. If I convince the other half, we could do a partial trade with my crusty 87 4runner? You'll never run out content!
I’ve been wanting an LR4 for so long! Question, is an 2012 LR4 with 175k miles worth it? Also, once the timing chains are changed do they go out again?
Hey do you help or offer assistance to folks looking to purchase used Rovers who have absolutely no idea what to look for when buying? I am not independently wealthy so I am considering a used 2010 with 130k miles, but tje dealer is not willing to allow me take the truck offsite to a Rover dealer for a PPI they will allow a mechanic onsite....do you have telephone numbeer?
What state are you in? Not saying it is 100% the case all the time but it's not usually a good sign if the seller won't allow you to have an inspection done. We never had an issue if someone wanted to take something and have it inspected as long as they were willing to pay for that inspection. We would even drop it off at their mechanic or dealer if they needed that. Did they give you a reasoning behind not letting you have it looked over?
@@LostCauseRanch NJ.They agreed to allow me to bring a mechanic to their shop - I just don't have one, I am due to call them back in minut4es but I have not been able to get a Land Rover tech on the phone to ask questions. It looks great online, asked about rust, no rust. Asked about Timing belt and leaks...none of the above. Thing is I have purchased a RR 2007 years ago and brought it to a LR dealer before purchase and within 2 months was cutting a large check to the dealership that handled the PPI in the first place hahah....not funny really. They said it was on their lot for only 2 weeks for a under $12k, and now it's down to 10k...I understand 130k is alot of miles....if I purchase can't I pro actively change the timing chain potentially? Anny way to find a mechanic? Thank you
I’m a ways away from that being anything significant. Maybe someday haha. But no, I’m just doing these for fun for the most part. I guess you never know though how many views a series of videos going through everything would get.
I just bought a 2010 LR4 with 140k miles for 5k. Beautiful truck runs very good but when you start it and sit in idle it has a little vibration. I assumed the timing chain wasn’t done but was hoping it would hold for a year or two but I think I have to address it right away (gulp) little nervous on how much this will cost me and if it’s in the 2-3k range then I think I might had made out for a total of 8k but that’s wishful thinking 🤞 Any idea what todays cost would be a timing chain replacement?
Many people are looking to learn on how to work on these late models...including me. Great content! I have and LR4 that needs chains, and an LR3 with a bad engine . No worries, we will stick with your content for many years. Time is valuable, but many will spend that time to watch your vids, over and over againg.
Appreciate that.
What happened to the LR3 engine? Those are usually pretty stout.
@LostCauseRanch I don't know, I only bought it because I wanted a brush guard, tail light covers, and a roof rack from it. The engine oil looks like chocolate milk, so the head gasket may be. It's an LR3 HSE with new tires and new front airbags.
Nice! Yeah good score with the accessories.
what's the cost for timing chain replacement?
I have a 2012 Rover Sport with the 5.0 in need of a timing chain r/r. Thanks for all the videos and know I will be watching before I take on the challenge to replace mine. If you need help, let me know 😂.
Hopefully we can be a little bit of a help when you go to tackle that. And come on over haha.
Mate my family and camper trailer made it safe and sound 600+ kms further north for a long weekend they are the best given it seats 7 but hey 6 enough in comfort with the esky taking the 7th seat gotta keep things cold 🥶 lol 😂
I think you’re on the right track I was enjoy your videos do what you’re gut tells you!
Haha, that is worth giving up the 7th seat for.
That's nice to be able to have something to haul the camper around with the family, these things are really super useful without being overly large.
I’m loving the progress! I would def wholesale/retail vs donating it, like you pointed out in a previous video, it’s a high maintenance gas guzzler that a non profit might not have the funds to operate vs a CR-V or equivalent. I imagine this will bring a lot of joy to the right new owner who knows what to expect.
I agree with you there, a little bit of a burden to the unsuspecting or unprepared.
Just a thought... You could retail Merlin but as a fully kitted and ready to go overlanding vehicle. Overland Expedition classifieds or sites like this are a good platform and from what I can see people are ready to pay a lot more to avoid spending the time/effort to do a build. Plus with your visibility to the overlanding + LR community, I'm sure it would sell fast. So that way, it provides a lot of cool content for your channel. After the budget overlanding, the greatest overlanding sounds cool ;o) The challenge is to find a way to install a rear diff but again : content Cheers!
That would be a fun way to go about it as well. I mean it is way more fun modifying stuff than just fixing haha. That would probably be the best way to make retailing it make sense.
Hmm, agree with the other commenter on time being valuable. If the value is higher for 4x4s at the time you would have the short list finished, then it's a no brainer, IMO. Dunno if retail would provide the extra bang for the buck. You would be able to hop back to your Defender quickly. I also like the idea of both organizations benefiting from the sale. Another idea is a local food pantry.
That’s where I’m kind of at too. And we still have the silver one to do some additional LR4 videos outside of the timing chain one on this.
I have a line of projects behind that Defender too haha.
944?
That's a fair split.
That's a big list. But not ridiculous considering.
Wow gorgeous after a buff.
I do like the 944, undecided whether to keep that one around.
The list isn’t terrible for the age and miles. Normal stuff with any vehicle.
It sure did clean up nice.
Well, Merlin sure is looking spiffy! 😍 I bet most viewers would like to see a complete refresh on the rig, especially if you go over costs. However, I understand the time vs return conundrum you are facing. In the end, I think the decision is going to depend on what you have envisioned for your other projects and videos for them.
I've always had rescue dogs, so that is also near to my heart. Conservation orgs are cool too. You won't go wrong either way.
Keep up the good work, Joe! 🤟
Arson, thanks for the input!
I definitely have enough projects in the shoot, so no shortage there. But this one would be a fun one to bring all the way back up. Tough call.
"Arson"...?? Were you just having a Joe moment? 🤣
@@markbielawski I'm not even sure what happened there. I guess I should get checked for a stroke haha. I'll blame my phones autocorrect. What I was trying to type? Not sure haha.
Looking forward to the timing change vid. That will be good to watch. Re charity… def keep it local. I’ve owned two LR3s and would like to buy an LR4. Interested in helping me with that?
Where abouts are you located? I’ll try to make a call on what way it’s going to go in the next couple weeks.
@@LostCauseRanch Thank you. Rhode Island.
@@LostCauseRanchWouod you consider selling your silver LR4?
Like the options for the charity, trees for the environment and/or dogs home, how about both? Looking forward to seeing the timing chain video! Have fun
The both would be a good mix!
The chains will be fun, I always like digging into these.
You could have "new or novice rover tech mechanics" practice on it for first hand experience, at a price then whole sale it. you make the money on whole sale, plus $$ on teaching others to work on rovers.
Retail would be great. Viewers like myself may be interested in buying it
That's good to hear, could maybe even not take it to 100% for the right person that wants to play with it themselves a little too (That's half the fun haha).
If you wholesale anything could happen to Merlin however, if you retail it there’s a better chance of it going to someone who will look after it and as you say, the season for 4x4 is coming up.
You pin pointed my dilemma with it as well. Is it worth giving up some time/money to give it a better shot of going to someone who would really enjoy it.
Dang I was hoping for a mad max situation. It looks way too nice now.
I agree with animal shelter donations.
That was my secret wish too haha. Someday I’ll come across the right one for that, would be way too much fun. Have plenty of ideas rolling around for that.
Tread lightly is the only organization I occasionally donate to. Retail may pencil out but theres one issue, having to deal with buyers haha. I cant stand selling things these days, so many lead brains out there. Hence why I still have my JKU that I fixed up to sell...
Tread lightly is a good suggestion.
Retail is going to be pretty close to a wash so may not be worth the extra effort. I feel you there on dealing with people, that was my life for 15 years so used to it, it’s actually back to somewhat enjoyable selling things here and there now that I’m not in the “trenches” haha.
@@LostCauseRanch it wouldn’t be so bad if craigslist hadn’t died but marketplace is like the scum of the Earth😂
@@FlawedOffroad I know, marketplace is a freaking dumpster fire. I do miss chasing stuff down on craigslist. The good ole days.
I have one 2011 LR4 whit timing problem 153xxx miles
Before timing problems runs smoothly and fast and luxury
I'm going to fix the timing and sale
I would love to see a rebuild of the air suspension distribution block - I need to do this on mine 😢
Maybe someday. I’m sure the silver one will need that at some point.
Just sell it to me! I have a 08 RR SC with the 4.2 and unfortunately had sold my 09 LR3 HSE. If you decide to sell it with the chains fixed let me know :) my father and brother are both technicians to keep it healthy for a long time to come.
Sounds like you would be a good owner!
Don’t know where my email went but if you sell it with the chains fixed I have cash in hand for ya! I’m in Atlanta.
Even though Merlin cleaned up real nice, I don’t think the numbers stack up to retail him, personally I think the better route is wholesale him🤔. Also if you haven’t noticed you do have one or two other projects that need your attention and are potentially more profitable LOL 😂. Local charities near to you sound the best option, but ha you will make the right call whatever you decide. 😎👍
There is a couple things around here to do yet isn’t there? Haha
You forgot to mention the cut the roof off option…
Keep an eye out for one with a junk engine your way for me and maybe I'll come out and we can chop the roof off before I drag it home haha.
@@LostCauseRanch it’s been my dream - Or, hear me out. Chop top freelander.
@@AddictedMotors Now you are talking.
I’m in Des Moines. Would love to own it.
I think you should retail it. A quick LR4 build would be good. Show everyone there's other options besides Jeeps.
Isn’t that the truth here in the US. Depending on what you are looking for out of a vehicle they are a nice alternative to a Jeep. They do some things worse, but also do some things better.
Wholesale it for sure, let somebody else have fun with oversized tires and rusty suspension bolts😉
Haha, it's pretty much expected to get to cutting bolts on the control arms around here. Hey maybe this one will be cleaner, it was a little further south haha.
I vote retail. More content - especially if you include the new owners and why they want an LR4!
That is actually kind of a cool idea.
Find some solid used tires or wheel tire combo! Animal shelter or Outdor childrens organization. Or close to my heart the Childrens hospital at UofI
Odd tire size so it’s usually tough to find but I’ve been keeping an eye out. They are 19s. I like the ideas👍
Love the Porsche man!
It is such a cool car. Wish I had more time and space.
I would love to see someone do an LS engine swap on an LR4!
That is on the bucket list someday. Just need to find the right candidate for it.
Where do you get the timing chain parts from? Factory or another option?
I prefer to use the oem stuff, but I typically get it from Lucky8 or Atlantic British.
@@LostCauseRanch do you recommend replacing the gears when doing a timing chain job 2012 LR4 5.0 na
Wholesale seems to be the way to go , but im torn as id like to see it go to an enthusiast and animal shelter sounds good to me for a donation.
That is my guilt trip there too. Deciding whether it’s worth losing a little time/money to let it go to someone who would really enjoy it. Appreciate the input!
Looks great, fix it & keep it. But not in the weeds !! 👍
The damn weeds haha. I need to clear some more parking out around here.
Hey there animal shelters sounds good to me, as far as retail and wholesale not sure really as I really don’t know what they sell for really. Plus the cost of the additional parts to be honest. Need some numbers lol
That $2900 might realistically eat up all the difference between the two. There isn’t as much mark up in used vehicles as some people think. So add time and whatever else may pop up it could be backwards to retail it.
what were the sings tha t it needs a timing chain? I have a p38 and considered replacing it with a lower mileage 2016 LR4. However, that timing chain possibility is killing that direction.
I do not know the American automotive market at all, so I do not know if the $2900 investment to do the extras will bring you more than $2900 back. What I do know is you said you acquired it cheaply, and while your time is valuable, you are doing the work yourself at essentially cost price, unlike a business. Sooooo all things considering, I say do the chains and the extras and retail it. As far as who to donate to, I am all for a dog rescue organisation, my daughter has two rescue dogs. It saddens me to see dogs get put down.
Realistically in the current market the $2900 would probably eat up the majority of the difference in wholesale vs retail. So that is where the dilemma comes for me as well. I would much rather see it go to someone that would love it. But it doesn’t necessarily pencil out well in that direction. So I just need to decide if it is worth losing out on time and possibly a little money taking it all the way.
I’m a bleeding heart when it comes to rescue dogs as well. Sucks to see so many sitting in shelters and worse getting out down. So I agree with you there.
Wholesale would be the sensible option would love to see it Retailed because of the video content but it would probably not make economic sense unless the extra content managed to increase your viewing figures, as for a worthy cause the local homes and struggling families.
Joe
That’s the real decision there. The hood thing is either way we still have the silver one around to keep up on some interesting LR4 stuff. I just have the Defender to finish along with the NADA, G4, Eco and Range Rover Camper behind that.
Can i know the wholesale price? I can do lower control arms and find tires for it, but the timing chains would scare me away haha. Wife did really like these and we are expecting and my 4runner might be getting eaten by rust faster than i thought :(
That is definitely the downfall of the Toyotas. Where about in the country are you located?
@@LostCauseRanch I'm in Northern Illinois. If I convince the other half, we could do a partial trade with my crusty 87 4runner? You'll never run out content!
I’ve been wanting an LR4 for so long! Question, is an 2012 LR4 with 175k miles worth it? Also, once the timing chains are changed do they go out again?
were is your water trap on compressor ? tut tut
It’s just a manual valve directly underneath. Or are we talking on the line side? If so it will have a drier on it once it’s all piped.
Depends how much time you have. If you are busy I would say just wholesale it
Appreciate the response. With the Defender and a few other things in line the time is somewhat limited.
But I’m also not opposed to spending more time on it.
I have the crap traps in my LR4!!
Really, I’m sure I may have had one with them before but I was surprised with how many we’ve had that I’ve never noticed them. Kind of neat.
Yep, good ole Amazon find!!
Hey do you help or offer assistance to folks looking to purchase used Rovers who have absolutely no idea what to look for when buying? I am not independently wealthy so I am considering a used 2010 with 130k miles, but tje dealer is not willing to allow me take the truck offsite to a Rover dealer for a PPI they will allow a mechanic onsite....do you have telephone numbeer?
What state are you in? Not saying it is 100% the case all the time but it's not usually a good sign if the seller won't allow you to have an inspection done. We never had an issue if someone wanted to take something and have it inspected as long as they were willing to pay for that inspection. We would even drop it off at their mechanic or dealer if they needed that.
Did they give you a reasoning behind not letting you have it looked over?
@@LostCauseRanch NJ.They agreed to allow me to bring a mechanic to their shop - I just don't have one, I am due to call them back in minut4es but I have not been able to get a Land Rover tech on the phone to ask questions. It looks great online, asked about rust, no rust. Asked about Timing belt and leaks...none of the above. Thing is I have purchased a RR 2007 years ago and brought it to a LR dealer before purchase and within 2 months was cutting a large check to the dealership that handled the PPI in the first place hahah....not funny really. They said it was on their lot for only 2 weeks for a under $12k, and now it's down to 10k...I understand 130k is alot of miles....if I purchase can't I pro actively change the timing chain potentially? Anny way to find a mechanic? Thank you
Retail! More YT ad revenue?
I’m a ways away from that being anything significant. Maybe someday haha. But no, I’m just doing these for fun for the most part. I guess you never know though how many views a series of videos going through everything would get.
Whatever Engineer that was paid to design these need to be charged with a crime against humanity
I just bought a 2010 LR4 with 140k miles for 5k. Beautiful truck runs very good but when you start it and sit in idle it has a little vibration. I assumed the timing chain wasn’t done but was hoping it would hold for a year or two but I think I have to address it right away (gulp) little nervous on how much this will cost me and if it’s in the 2-3k range then I think I might had made out for a total of 8k but that’s wishful thinking 🤞
Any idea what todays cost would be a timing chain replacement?