The Tories can’t get over Brexit | John McTernan
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- čas přidán 21. 09. 2023
- “Brexit’s happened, the referendum has happened and the government can’t make it work.”
The suggestion that Britain could have moved ahead more quickly with the Covid vaccination having not been in the EU is “a lie” says John McTernan.
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Opinion on the EU was always a major fault line in the party. It took strong leadership to hold it together. Then Cameron happened. Then austerity happened causing the rise of demagogues. Then we had a wretched referendum campaign with neither side behaving remotely well and failing to describe the pros and cons. Then there was no plan.
Exactly. First austerity, then brexit - David Cameron has got be the most underratedly bad PM Britain has ever had.
@@guydreamrhe's got a strong competition in all of his successors.
There is still no plan.
And finally, there was a large part of the UK public: undereducated, uninformed, too lazy to inform themselves and gullible enough to be whipped up enough in nationalism en xenophobia to vote leave.
@@guydreamrCameron’s successors are widely recognized (in order) as weak, outrageously bad, crazy, and “good if compared to his two immediate predecessors” (which is not a compliment).
I agree that Cameron’s share of responsibility for the Brexit disaster is grossly understated. So is Corbyn’s, but this is another story.
The standard of government has reached an all time low and they did it without experts. The Mail and Express are telling their readers we want lower standards and lack human rights for you.
It's about the time the UK population had a few truth-bombs.
John McTernan is completely correct here.
It is not just the Tories who are not getting over Brexit. It is the whole of the UK. It's like Mars has voted to leave the solar system. Now finding out about the law of gravity.
Brexit is dying off almost as quickly as some of the elderly voters who were “persuaded” to think that it was a good idea to leave the largest trading bloc in the world to be able to eat and drink sovereignty*.
* You can’t.
Wrong.
Support for brexit may be dying off, but brexit as fact and reality remains. No matter how many brexiters start pushing up daisies, brexit remains unchanged.
When the 'elderly' we won the WW11 war we don't want any truck with the Germans die off and the little Englanders who despise Johnny foreigner have to dig deeper and deeper in their pockets and the younger generation who had opportunities and freedoms taken from them use the ballot box Brexit will be on very shaky ground.
Another sneer at older people typical labour to sneer at people they don't agree with not impressed don't worry starmer will get us back ugh
@@tenniskinsella7768 Labour sneers at people they don't agree with???? Or do you mean the tofu eating guardian reading Labour Party lib dems leftie lawyer wokerati the Tories sneer at?
@@tenniskinsella7768whinge, whinge, whinge.
No one can "make Brexit work'". Our retail politicians lunch from one silly slogan to another. Will we ever get back to adult politics?
The Torries called it but now they haven't a clue what to do it's down to them and there attitudes and lies
On regard to exporting to the EU the UK is now a rule taker. Period.
Europe is laughing as no one wants to admit the mistake
IF THE TORIES CAN´T GET OVER BREXIT ; THEY WILL GO DOWN WITH IT !
Lowering standards = voters will kick whoever does it out. Increasing standards beyond EU = decreased UK competitiveness. The only option is to track/align what the EU does. Repeat until we rejoin.
Rejoin now! 🇬🇧🇪🇺
@@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar can’t, UK doesn’t meet the Copenhagen criteria even if the EU would trust the UK enough.
@@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar
Joining Eurozone will be a must then
@@jeckjeck3119and who would want the UK being part of their currency...
No thanks, keep them at arms length like now via the TCA
@@abbofun9022 There is nothing in the Copenhagen criteria that couldn't be sorted by a government that wanted to rejoin.
The biggest obstacle would be the democratic consent element, which could be fixed by a General Election or a further referendum.
As to the attitude of othe EU countries the biggest hurdle would be convincing them that we are not going to yo-yo in and out.
Nothing insurmountable.
As an outsider, from the Nordic countries, EU and Britain was much better before when in union. Shipping, travelling, communication and so forth was so much better. Today, almost no products are being exported to Scandinavia due to taxes and tolls. It doesn’t work. Everyone here has opted out. Sadly.
Quite right!
Hmm, trade was better, or rather easier between EU and UK.
But politically and maybe even economically the EU is better off without the UK. Way less obstruction from within to achieve ever closer cooperation.
@@ab-ym3bf Closer corporation? What has become closer since Brexit?
I see none of that, myself at least. Granted, my POV is limited, living where I’m at. But the EU, as the world, is closely intertwined with laws and regulations on food and so forward. The only thing that I’ve seen with Britain is higher and denser walls. We hear less and less about their (your?) politics even - because now it’s become an even more personal thing that’s exclusive to Britain and not our neighbour anymore. It’s more of a “they do their thing” now - we’re not involved because they cut it off. Purposely.
@@Justusson the EU has become closer. It can now make steps towards a banking union, more cooperation on defense and foreign policy. As has been reported, the whole Covid fund would never have seen the light of day in this form had the UK been in.
So to me that seems more cooperation.
@@Justusson For one thing, there is far less talk in the EU about leaving the Euro or the EU itself. Before Brexit, there were huge euro-skeptic factions is many countries. Now they have changed their tune or faded away.
Isn't it perfectly clear what he was saying.? Malevolent interpretation is exactly right! Well said John Mcternan and Keir Starmer. There are people in politics who are not afraid to say what needs to be said rather than peddling placebos of nonsense.
The tories know it's their mess they need to shake off the Johnson and Truss administrations but even if they manage that they can't deny brexit is theirs.
A recent blog by Prof Chris Grey the UK's top academic trade expert on the EU (according to The Economist and the FT) looked in detail at the issue of regulatory divergence from the EU which is very dear to Brexiters and he points out that:
"Not only can we not afford to diverge, we cannot afford not to follow"
and further
"In short, leaving the single market makes regulatory alignment expensive, but regulatory divergence is even more expensive. So we pay for the price of a freedom we cannot afford to exercise, and Brexiters call this sovereignty."
Brexit always was a delusion. As the very astute Irish journalist and observer of the UK, Finton O'Toole, has noted about Brexit “You had imaginary oppression, now you've got imaginary freedom.”
I will never vote for the Tories again for the rest of my life.
@@iberian5319 Thatcher 1980s. A few years later I was at the poll tax demos. You must be so clever never to have made a mistake. Well done.
I admit, I don't care if the rules are made in the UK parliament. I just care what those rules will be.
The EU ,is laughing all the way to the bank
Brexit also caused damage in the EU and is still doing so. They probably won't just laugh, but the Muppet Show from Westminster is certainly quite entertaining at times.
What Brexit!
Voting reform 💯
I think that the only way Labour can make Brexit work is to chart a closer walk with the EU. I think that only Customs Union plus Single Market would work tolerably.
Tolerably for who? The EU isn't Santa Claus, handing out presents.
Brexit mess
Brexit can work … really how?
Canada should be rid of the Monarchy, what a poor ally the UK is.
Nothing to do with monarchy, but much to do with a lack of critical thinking and foresight on the part of a certain PM by the name of David Cameron.
The UK should be rid of the Monarchy.
@@gio-oz8gf Because the gammons like it and we have to punish them?
Brexit disaster
Time to apply to rejoin the EU.
What on earth makes you think you would be successful!!!!!
@@raymonddixon7603a question never ends with an exclamation mark.
The correct way to put it is join as you have to start from scratch, please try and get that at least right. We will see you in 30 odd years if you behave and do what is required of you. All this time will be needed so don't waste it and good luck.
@@byzantium8851 There is a first time for everything!!!!
@@Bran9 Thank you for your comment.
Since now we have no say in how EU rules are made. Of course we will diverge overtime. New ones they make up, new ones we make up
Unless UK purposely apes EU regulations as they change - this is known as "dynamic alignment".
Give it a rest about brexit
Is this the response you’ve evolved to deter any scrutiny of your precious Brexit? That it’s not allowed to be debated, or critiqued? To sweep it under the carpet? No one’s forcing you to watch you know, after all you live in a free, sovereign country now. Debate is important, it’s a shame some people have no idea how to including our so called government and it’s dolt supporters.
@@paramotorhead no but its ridiculous that everything is blamed on brexit food prices pandemic and Ukraine prices up in eu countries too so its a myth spread by remainers that everything is lovely in the eu all the western world is going through a worrying time dam all to do with brexitb
Shoot it & put us all out of it's misery.
@@tenniskinsella7768 that because brexit is a trade and trade is link to most other things in life. sadly brexit is not a small thing like you think it is because it had so many effects, most of which have not been good for the uk.
@@tenniskinsella7768ok. So look at comparative growth and inflation figures for EU and YK. Then revert with analysis. No? Thought not. Facts are so inconvenient.
It's the other way round or do you not understand what EXIT means
Still moaning about Brexit?
Still happy about it?
Lots of brexeteers doesn't.
Nope just the consequences of it. Get Brexit undone!
Always these leave whiners. You've won, get over it.
All UK citizens with a brain realise that Brexit was a crazy idea.
The EU really is in dire straits...and i dont mean mark knopfler.
And by your standards, how is the UK doing after Brexit?
From my point of view everything got worse, can you give any credible evidence otherwise? I sincerely doubt it.
Really? Have a look at EU inflation and Eu growth versus UK? What are your bases for measurement?
@@byzantium8851inflation is higher in the UK than EU, I guess Google is beyond your comprehension
Economic wealth comes from export when you can't exist just from your own produce and need to import as well. So how is this export going after you locked yourself out?
@@user-kn6et8bb2d Its going really well. 2016 total exports £576Bln 2022 £834 Bln, Services being over £400 Bln.
The pound has dropped in value since 2016 and this means our economy is more competitive on price, boosting demand (margins for some businesses that import will suffer, but our economy is stringly a services one). We just overtook France as the 8th largest manufacturing country. This is being driven by global demand, not the EU. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.