Whoopie Sling vs Cinch Buckle / Hammock Suspension
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- When hammock camping or if you want to just hang the hammock at the park or the back yard. The two most popular suspensions are the whoopie sling and the cinch buckle. In this episode. We are going to look at the pros and cons of each of these. How to use them and which one would work best for you.
I've just started researching hammock camping and your videos have been incredibly helpful to me. Thank you so much, I really appreciate it.
I am glad that they have been helpful. Thank you for watching Barry.
Great video! To get around these issues and still use a whoopie sling (with short distance trees), the solution I like is to bypass the whoopie sling and tie off the webbing with a becket hitch directly onto my hammock continuous loop. This allows me to keep the whoopie slings for far off trees when I need them.
Great tip! Thank you Charles for sharing that. I really appreciate it.
It's important to clarify you can shorten up the hugger+whoopee suspension just as much as the cinch buckle suspension. I set up my tree huggers and then connect my whoopee slings to them using a marlinespike hitch and carbineer. You can connect anywhere on the tree hugger. I keep my whoopee slings connected to each end of my hammock so I don't have to connect each one to the huggers AND the hammock. And if I still need to shorten it up, I bypass the whoopee slings altogether and connect the huggers to the hammock with the same marlinespike+carbeener. Maybe cinch buckles are 20 seconds faster to set up but the weight savings and packability of whoopee slings are better for backpackers. And like you said, they are stronger and last longer.
I've been following you for a long time and I just wanted to say, "Thank You" for sharing your knowledge. I really like the way you go into detail and explain in a simple easy to understand way. Thank for all of video's and I wish continued success with your channel. You are providing such great info for so many people. Keep the video's coming.
I appreciate that! Thank you Dennis.
This was very instructive. So many of the hammock videos I have seen so far mention whoopie sling suspension, but they didn't go into any detail about what they are or how they work. They assume everyone knows. In my research about hammocks, I have seen a lot of the webbing systems with the buckles. Those make intuitive sense to me, but I have to say, the smaller packing and weight savings of the whoopie sling has me considering that option now.
If you are looking for the lightest and strongest suspension for those longer hangs between trees. Whoopie slings are the way to go. They can be a little tricky on the really closer hangs. You have to be a little creative. Thank you Rungavagairun for watching. I really appreciate it.
I'm also researching hammock camping and your videos have helped me so much. Thank you!
Great to hear! Thank you Geo Herrera for watching. I really appreciate it.
I use a marlin spike as a toggle on the tree strap. The woopie sling attachment point can be moved up to the tree it’s self or anywhere along strap. This gives much more adjustment options. This also allows for the tree straps to be attached/ fitted first before ever having to fiddle with the hammock. This is great if you don’t have perfect trees.
Thank you for sharing that egregory348. Good stuff!
I use a Beckett hitch rather than a true marlinspike, but either way. Additional feature is that if it’s very close, just tie straight to the hammock without the Whoopi. It’s not as easy to adjust, but it is super flexible.
Love your dog taking a leak! That was funny.
I am hoping to do trips with Henry this. That dog has to leave is mark on every tree or bush. Thank you for watching Tim.
Very informative! I like the fact that you include metrics 👍
Glad you like it! And thank you for watching Fimbul Outdoors. I really appreciate it.
Those leaves are sure tasty! Great detail, thanks Marine.
This is one of the best fall for colors here in the upper Midwest. How are they up in Manitoba?
We had a lovely fall here in Northern Alberta! Late frost but early snow - we got snow a week ago and it looks like it could be here to stay. All our fall colours are gone, except for the tamarack trees, which look so beautiful against the snow.
Good info. My first time using a hammock on a overnight camping trip was very comfortable as you suggested in your last video. It was easier on my back. Thanks
Glad to hear it! Now you are ready to take it on a multiple day trip. It is always good hearing from you Thaddeus.
Thank you for this very informative vid! I have been debating between the cinch buckle and whoopie.
That is a tough decision. I have used the Whoopie sling for years and never had a issue with them. ( besides the real close hangs ) But the ones that I have been using lately, are the cinch buckles from Superior Hammock. I did a video call " The greatest Hammock Suspension?" down in the play list.
Dutch makes a half clip that gets sewn into the tree strap end (yahoo, no lost clips). Coupled with a 8' strap and beatle buckle is all you need. Lightweight and versatile to any brand hammock continuous loop. Whoopies are finicky and nobody likes milking the bead in freezing weather. Great content, Sir.
Those sewn- in-Dutch Clips are so light and compact also.
Another great informative video. Your channel is a great escape from these current times. Stay safe out there.
Just stated back at school today. Having the kids and I, wearing masks have been a challenge. My hearing isn't the best. So I don't know how many times I had to say: "huh"
I hope all is well Remy.
@@AdventureswiththeMarine Yes I am beginning to think I was being overly cautious, and now I'm more worried about rights being trampled in the name of the virus. Thank you and hope you are well also.
This is a great video on the advantages/disadvantages of the two suspension systems. I favor the straps for the reasons you pointed out in the video. I had a friend use the whoopie slings on his hammock and suffer the very drawback you demonstrated here. He had no choice about the trees because there were only three trees available to our hang; one shared tree for our foot ends and a tree each of our head ends. He struggled to get the right setup as his whoopie slings maxed out their close-in range. With straps and buckles (in my case climbing rings) I have a continuous range of adjustment points including right up to the anchor trees!
Those whoopie slings are very light weight and strong. But I have experienced that they are times it just not worth it.
Thank you for watching PhilCherry3. I really appreciate it.
Hello we hope you and Henry are doing well and keeping safe. we really do appreciate all the tips and advice you give out . have a great week my friend. Kind Regards Sarah and Glenn
Henry and I are well. Except Henry is in trouble for peeing on all of the wife's dead plants. It is always good to hear from you guys. Any trips or videos planned?
nice clear video with really good information about the options.
Glad you liked it. thank you Patrickemerson for watching. I really appreciate it.
Thank you for your service in the marines
Thank you Cvweekender Cvweekender for that. I really appreciate it.
I ordered the Superior for my Clark nx270 because of this great 👍video!
THANKS
I find myself using it all the time now. I think you are going to like using it. Thank you for watching Tom. I really appreciate it.
Nice video, thanks for the advice
Thank you Columbia Photography for watching. I really appreciate it.
Very helpful, thank you!
Glad it was helpful! Thank you Kristen for watching.
great video, good information, thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it. Thank you Mig Whitt for watching. I really appreciate it.
Great review. Thanks!
Thank you Life of Bryan for watching. Much appreciated!
I have whoopie slings and a beetle buckle suspension, both with Dutch Clips, and I find the latter more versatile in adjustment, so that’s usually what I grab. Thanks for the video.
Another thing that I love about the beetle buckles. You can hang two hammocks side by side with a spreader bar. A very cool feature. Thank you for watching James. I always appreciate it.
Great review.
Thank you Roaming_Bob. I really appreciate that.
I'm new to hammocking and quickly found that just using the loops without a carabiner to fix the suspension onto the tree was very awkward to adjust the height.
I also realised that I needed to replace the daisy chains that came with my hammock as they only had 4 loops on the end!! I wanted suspension that was quick, easy to adjust and preferably infinitely adjustable. My reason for choosing cinch buckles over whoopies was that minimal tree distance was more of an issue for me than maximum distance (because if trees were further apart I couldn't reach up high enough to attach the straps anyway).
Enjoying your vids 👍
Thank you for sharing that Just Vin. It sounds like you are becoming a good hammocker. Always improvise!
@@AdventureswiththeMarine Thank you very much, I'm learning lots and it helps that I've come from bivi and tarp camping so I can focus on the hammock set-up and not worry about the tarp side of things.
The cinch buckles make set-up much easier, I went with Dutch's beetle buckles and I'm liking them very much.
Yo, Marine, excellent video. I long ago rejected whoopie slings and use only the cinch buckle. But, your objective comparison gave me something to think about. Okay, I'm through thinking about it; I'm sticking with the cinch buckles. Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge. I never miss a video.
I have used those Whoopie Slings for years. But I think I may becoming lazy. Because those cinch buckles are so quick and easy to use. But I still love those Whoopie Slings.
Thank you so much for watching every episode Roland. Greatly appreciated.
Thanks for the post.
You're welcome Jerry G, I hope all is well.
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it Warren. Always appreciate you watching.
You can double wrap the tree straps or use a Marlon spike with a toggle and hang the continuous loop directly off the Marlon spike if the trees are too close... two easy ways to shorten your suspension system that's why I always go big on the tree straps not as easily adjustable but if you really want to hang your hammock in that spot then you'll take the extra few seconds to hang it right
Thank you freethinker for sharing that. I really appreciate it. Good info!
This is what I do too. If necessary bypass the whoopie sling.
I got some dutch clips. They sure are handy! Thanks for your information, now I'll pay more attention to using is correctly! ATB 😀 Kaatje
Those Dutch clips are so light weight and handy. It is always good to hear from you Steps by Kaatje.
Thank you for your very well made and informative Video! Lately I‘ am using Dutch‘s Spider Web 1.5 with the Becket Hitch.
I would have to believe that would be the lightest suspension. Also very strong with very little stretch. Thank you for watching Ich Bins. i really appreciate it.
I reversed the whoopie slings so when I'm tightening the suspension I'm pulling down. I attached the slings to the tree hugger with a carabiner and prusik loop. I can adjust the prusik right up to the tree, though the loop itself adds four inches. With the carabiner it's easy to detach the suspension from the straps, handy if you have pine sap all over them, or if you just are swapping out straps.
I have four foot tree huggers. If they aren't long enough, or I need just a bit more length than the slings give me, I have a second set. I knot them together to make a seven foot strap. I was a little concerned that the knot might injure the tree, but so far I've not observed any damage.
I love how improvised. Having the tree huggers attached to the trees like that ( no excess beyond the trees ) and having the Whoopie Sling giving up only four inches on each side is really great.
Keep up the good work and thank you for sharing that David.
Good topic Marine. Searching for those two perfect trees can be like a quest for the holy grail at times. It's best, in my mind, to face the problem with the mindset of "adapt & overcome". Being prepared to think outside the box and carrying extra items can go along way to reaching the goal.
Instead of using the loop on the hammock end of the tree hugger, you can always tie a marlin spike closer to the tree for shorter hangs.
I usually carry some extra straps, for really big trees. A couple 20" amsteel dogbones can augment my whoopie slings for those really long stretches if needed. The extra weight isn't that much when you consider the extra flexibility provided. Fall is right around the corner and favorite camping weather.
Best wishes as always, stay safe everyone!
P.S. Always like how you're able to do all of those metric conversions so quickly in your head.. HA!
I like the marlin spike. That lets you snug right up against the tree and no need to give up 12 inches to my prusik loops.
You can use carabiners instead of a toggle for additional flexibility.
Do you make the marlin spike on the tree hugger or the whoopie sling?
@@DavidEFreeman on the strap, not the whoopie.
@@DavidEFreeman I've tried the beckett hitch as well. Doesn't require a toggle, but usually I just go with the marlin spike out of habit I suppose. I also use some diy amsteel soft shackles and always have an extra pair along just incase.
Thank you for sharing that. The end of this month. Runner and I will be paddling in the BWCA for our fall trip. I am hoping the colors will be popping. As for the metric conversions. Nothing like a good cheat sheet.
Always good hearing from you Coughing Owl Outdoors. I hope all is well.
Another excellent video Marine! I love using my whoopie slings. And like yourself i carry both. But that may change soon. Am working on something that may just be the best of both worlds.... the tree snugger.
The tree Snugger. What are you thinking Dovahkiin's Adventures?
updates ?
@@taurohnyt617 looking for someone to make it. Covid and cash is the problem.
@@dovahkiinsadventures7632 I wish you good luck!!! BTW do you know anything about Dream hammocks? Are they good?
@@taurohnyt617 I know of them. Have seen their products. Have never used them.
Cinch. Every time I deal with a whoppie thing it ends up i get in trouble. Whoppie pies made me fat. Whoppie with wife was complicated and ended in a divorce. So cinch it is. Great video thanks. 👍
I love it. Thank you Christopher for sharing that.
My backpacking partner always uses whoopee slings. I've always used one form or another of the cinch buckle. We try to find 3 trees to hang end to end but I find I have much more flexibility. I'll take the couple of ounces to be able to hang in tighter spots.
That is where I am right now. The first suspension that I am pulling out of my pack. Is the cinch buckle. But I still love the whoopie sling.
Even though I keep straps and slings separate, I still use a carabiner instead of threading the strap through the it's own loop.
I also use a carabiner on the hammock loop so I have an extra drip guard. It gives a good attachment point for quilts, mosquito nets, and the ridge line.
For many years I have been using the Whoopie Hook on the ends to attach to the hammock. The Whoopie Hooks can be hard on the continuous loops. Which now I have to change them every year or so. Carabiners are more forgiving. And if you need a carabiner for whatever reason. You can then just larks head the Whoopie Sling to the continous loop.
Thank you for watching David.
Hi Marine, I have settled on python style tree straps with multiple loops, on these I have attached whoopee-slings. I then have carabiners to attach my continual loops to either the whoopee-slings or if the space is too short to the python straps directly. This gives me the option of getting right up close to the tree or having a long suspension.
That's a great idea! Thank you for sharing that Green Steve.
Thank you. I recommend you check out variable ND filter lenses for your camera. I got a syrp brand yesterday. I have just learned about them. Variable is better than individual ones.
Thanks for the tip! And thank you alarik greenland for watching. I really appreciate it.
If your amsteel of your whoopie slings are wrapped around a tree you can find a couple of sticks to stick in between the rope and the tree to protect the tree. I've done this a couple of times with larger trees and it works well
That is an excellent idea. Thank you Andrew for sharing that. Good stuff!
I attached a prusik loop to the sling itself so I can relieve the load off of the sling when tightening it. Not necessary for a normal hang, but if you have quilts, nets, etc. or a long hang it's really handy.
Thanks for sharing that David. Good stuff.
Thnxs
Thank you for watching Alpha Patriot.
pineapples! Becket hitch 100% Great video! keep them coming :)
You ain't getting no lighter than a Becket hitch. Light weight and simple to tie.
Thank you for watching Michael. I really appreciate it.
Really good information. Where is your dog Henry??
I am changing Henry's name to the Shadow. Thank you Liz for watching. I really appreciate it.
I have the python straps from kammok-- it's a daisy chain style strap. They have two lengths to choose from, 10ft and 15ft. You just use carabiners to attach the hammock to them. The loops are every 3 inches or so (I think) and run a good length of the straps.
The smaller space between the loops. The better. The python straps are fast and easy to use. Thank you for sharing that and watching Chrystal for watching. I really appreciate it.
The problem I have with the daisy chain straps is they limit your options for adjustment to only the interval of the loops. Too bad there isn't a combination of the whoopie sling and the daisy chain straps out there. Shorter daisy chain straps to go around the tree and then attach the whoopie sling to the shortened daisy chain strap where you need it.
One of the things you did not talk about was using a marlinspike as you can get really close up to the tree. I always use a single loop around the tree for the Marlin spike to take up some of that missing.
Good point. I have show the Marlinspike in other videos. Thank you for watching BigTVideos. I really appreciate it.
Every time I look at a new piece of hammock gear, I think it might be time to try whoopies. I'm a big boy who thrashes around a lot, which makes it difficult for my brain to accept how strong they are. I am used to the adjustable nature of the cinch buckles on my Amok, like you mentioned. Your assistant looks like he is ready to storm the wall...and probably pee on it. 🐕😆 Stay well up there, brother. S/F
First time I saw them at a hang I thought the same thing, but Ive seen truly massive dudes use them. I made the switch and never looked back. I especially prefer them in colder weather.
You look at how thin the Amsteel is on a Whoopie Sling. But they say that they are stronger then most types of steel. I don't know about that. But I have hung my hammock a few times, where the trees were so far apart that they would have broken most tree straps. With the amsteel suspension and the amsteel ridgeline on the hammock. I was not worried one bit. And you are right Epic One. They work great in extremely cold temperatures.
Thank you Grumpy Grunt and Epic One for watching.
I just wanted to say thank you for also saying the metric measurements. I am Norwegian, and feet simply doesnt make sense to me 😂 we have a "feet" measurement for boats, but I don't know if it's the same one lol.
I'm going on my first proper camping trip tomorrow, and your videos have helped me a lot, so thank you 😊
You are so welcome! Almost half of my viewers are from other countries than the US. And I really appreciate them. Please let me know how your trip turned out. Thank you for watching TheDesiLiter.
@@AdventureswiththeMarine uggghhh...im being so critical, but im not trying to be mean i promise. but here's my take on measurements:
i don't care what main unit is used, but find it hard to remember what the value is when people try to accommodate both in voice. i've always preferred one being mentioned, and at the other being put on screen. or better yet, no matter which main one you use, putting both on screen. But doing multiple measurements in a row, and switching back and forth verbally makes it hard to mentally keep track of.
@@AdventureswiththeMarine it went great! At least for me and my dog haha. My mom decided to tag along, and brought her dog. Apparantly her dog is afraid of the dark! 😅 (and kept her awake all through the night. Having her on the ground made it worse) The hammocks and tarps went up easly and we were both super comfy despite having dogs in there too. The temperature and weather was AMAZING. Clear, starry sky, absolutly no wind, and the few mosquitoes that tried to bug us were chased away by a candle. Wool underwear and socks + a woolen sweater held us warm all through the night and we never got too warm either 😊
@@SeraphX2 I just filter it out, and actually prefer having him say them both. Anything written on the screen just kinda melts away 😅 but we are all different, and the way we best take in information depends on the individual 😊
Another downside of the whoopie slings is that you can't adjust them under load. With a long hang and three-season gear it can be very difficult to loosen. In a demonstration I managed to tighten the slings enough that it took three of us to get enough slack to loosen them. You can, of course, just detach the hammock, but that means dropping it onto possibly wet or muddy ground and you have to redo your suspension adjustments.
If someone is with you. You can have them grab the end of the hammock to take off the slack. I have also taken my arm and put it through the continuous loop to take off the weight. But only when the loop is small enough to reach.
dose it matter if you connect ya ridge line to ya hammock vs connect
ridge line to to carabiners that are connected to ends of hammock ???
PS - love ya videos, very simple and sweet.
very Professional to say the least !!!
Thank you for ya knowledge !!!
The ridgeline for the hammock should be attached to the hammock. Inside the continuous loops. If you are using straps instead of continuous loops. Then the ridgeline in attached to the inside of the loop that is connected to the hammock. I hope this helps and sorry for taking so long to get back to you. Thank you Mickey for watching.
If the trees are too close to use your whoopie slings then just don’t use them. Attach your tree huggers directly to your hammock when you have to but you will have your whoopie slings there for when you need them.
Thank you for sharing that Nathaniel. Good stuff.
I have on occasion used a marlin spike hitch in the hugger itself, allowing me to bring the continuous loop right up to the tree. I also carry a few pieces of Amsteel and have made a short marlin spike suspension when I wanted to have the hammock closer than the whoopie sling allowed, but past the hugger. I keep the ease of adjustment of the whoopie sling if I only need to shorten one end, but can shorten both if needed.
which one would you use .?? thank you Sir I watch all your Videos .
Unless I am going to put on a lot of miles on a hiking trip. As of now. I would recommend those cinch buckles from Superior hammock. I don't know if I am getting lazy. But they make hanging a hammock much easier. Thank you foe always watching Ron. Much appreciated.
I use beetle buckles and like them alot,however I'm thinkin about whoopie slings because I can't seem ta git the rain ta break until it gits ta the buckles. Is there a way ta stop rain frum travelin down my flat strap?drip lines slow it down a bit but it keeps goin....
When using a dripline on straps. The straps has to be vertical. To where the dripline is tied on. If the buckle is under the tarp. As long as the buckle is stopping the flow of water from going into the hammock. Then I am fine with it. But if the buckles are exposed. And are not under the tarp. I would look at getting a tarp that is longer. But woopie slings are a good option. They are stronger than the straps. So if you come to hang, where you have trees too far apart. The amsteel for the woopie sling can handle it. But when the trees are close. The woopie slings can be a little challenging to use. Because the woopie slings are so light. I will bring both the buckles and woopie slings. Plus . If I am with someone that has broken a strap. ( which has happen ) I will have them covered. Thank you HilbilyRedneksOpinion for watching. I really appreciate it.
Thx for the info. What do you use in the sleeve of the hammock, on the ends? I used my whoopie sling last night and I made it thru the night. :)
All of my hammocks have continuous loops through the sleeves. Where I live. It rains a lot. So I want to be able to disconnect the hammock from the suspension.
That is so great that you made it through the night Tracy. Now you are ready to take it on a trip for multiple days. There is nothing like sleeping in a hammock in the wilderness. Please keep me posted.
@@AdventureswiththeMarine thx for the reply. I'm just glad I didn't end up on the ground 🤣! Mainly trying to make my gear lighter. My loop sleeve had this bulky heavy rope and I solved that by the whoopie sling, but now I'm not using it's potential... that's up next. Thanks again
Hi Marine, I have a question. I currently use the Dutch beetle buckle with my whooping, but as of late my whooping has become very hard to lengthen and tighten, it seems to be sized up probably it may have got wet at some time. So is there a way of freeing it up to make it functional again. Or shall I just exchange it or leave as is close the the hammock end and clip it onto the beetle?
As always another great tutorial
The problem with the tree straps for the cinch buckles. After a while. They become supple which makes it harder to adjust the buckles. And they will start twisting also. Getting new tree straps should take care of the problem. Tree straps ( spider/Poly Straps ) are fairly inexpensive. But the cost will come for shipping across the sea.
I hope all is well Kevin.
Backpacking With a Hammock ah sorry Marine it’s my bad, it’s the Whoopi sling that’s becoming tight and doesn’t lengthen or tighten without great effort. I will check your video again as you showed the technique. I need to get it sorted as I am doing a canoe trip on Loch Ness in Scotland mid September
I'm sorry Kevin. It sounds like the splice is too tight. Try working the splice by pushing it together and apart. Keep working it to loosen it up. If it dose not loosen. Then you will need to replace it.
Your canoe trip sounds exciting. Please let me know how your adventure went. Have a great time.
Rookie question. Thinking about a double hammock for myself because I'm fairly tall but I'm wondering if I can use a normal sized under quilt or if I should get one made for a wider hammock?
Unless you are over 350 lbs. You do not need a double layer hammock. What is very important is the length and the width. I have a hammock that is 72 inches wide. And I have no problem with a under quilt. But remember you have to adjust it. I prefer a 3/4 length under quilt. Which needs to be adjust every time you get in and out of the hammock. If you don't get cold feet at night. And don't mind the adjustment. I would recommend a 3/4 length. Lighter, greater pack-ability and less expensive.
@@AdventureswiththeMarine ah, I should have clarified that double was in regards to width. Seen a lot of love for the 11ft hammock online so might go for a wider one of those with a regular sized underquilt. Thanks so much for your insight! Any recommendations in regards to the hammock or underquilt?
There are a lot of good hammock companies. But my favorite is Dream hammock. They are more than willing to make a hammock to what ever length or width. Quality workmanship.
I have different underquilts. But my favorite is Hammock Gear.
Without knowing much about hammocks I acquired an ENO Hammock. It’s about ten and a half feet long. I’m about 6’. I know you’ve promoted the netless hammock before so I’m asking... would there be a big difference between what I have and a larger hammock? Right now I have a difficult time getting comfortable and I don’t sleep well. I’m thinking maybe I’m just not cut out for it and I should go back to the ground. It might also be better for my degenerative disc. (L5)
I love my Netless Hammock. But I have many other hammocks that I will use. What I really promote ( and very strongly ) Is people getting a hammock that fits them. Not only in the length. But with the width also.
I am also 6ft. and believe it or not. I have a degenerative disc (L5). And not to mention. Two hip replacements. If not for the hammock. My hiking and camping days would be over. After a long day of hiking tough terrain. My body is aching. In most cases really bad. ( I can barely walk ). After a night in my hammock. My body is rejuvenate and ready for another day of hiking. And that is because when you have a hammock that fits you. It will conform to your body and will have no pressure points.
I sorry but you hammock is too short and narrow. Your ENO is equivalent to wearing a small jacket. If I were to wear a small jacket ( which would be hard to get on me ) It would be very uncomfortable and would probably cut off my circulation. The problem with hammocks. Most companies will promote. One size fits all. Just like clothes, That is not so.
I hope this was helpful sdr22630. Thank you for watching. I really appreciate it.
I now use dyneema with rope ladder knots.... it's not slipping and the same as a rope with knots. But thinner and lighter.
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Tried some suspension over the years but like this best. But we all have our favourite
Thank you for sharing that Kayak Cobber. Good info!
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I am thinking on doing a video on a Terminator Hammock. It would be Titanic. Thank you LabiaLicker for watching. Much appreciated.
If the shortest whoopie sling is too long, would you not be able to go through the continuous loop and then carabiner back into the treehugger?
If the Whoopie Sling is too long. I would wrap the tree huggers around the as many times too shorten it. If I run out of the tree hugger and the amsteel is against the the tree. Then I would use a piece of bark between the amsteel and the tree to protect it from damage. Thank you Steve for watching.
im new to hammocks and have never had trees too close(on my land i can choose from wide wariety of trees), cannot you have another round around tree- puttind a piece of whoopie sling over another layer of tree hugger... tree hugger wouldnt allow narrow amsteel to damage bark.. or would it? i have no idea- just a thought as last resort if you have only those two trees available that are a tad too close... it probably wouldnt work as it would slide off and damage bark anyway...:)
and another thought- you can detach hammocks continous loops and connect both ends to whoopie- it would give you another... 4 inches if done on both ends?
wait wait wait.... do you really need whoopie at both ends? you take one off, use it as ridgeline, and adjust at one tree... you might need to adjust height of this free tree hugger, but id still prefer that to sleeping on the ground.. and you just skimmed a lot of length.. ;)
yeah... and run whoopie instead of continious loop and trim off even more of length... just dunno if, and, in how a good quantity you can divert water from the rope.... maybe 2 knots of whatever string would do the trick? or do you think that if amsteel isnt tied to something else it will still have some part of water going down to hammock? if the rains isnt the problem, with some finicking, i think, you can do with whoopies just as well as with anything else.. :) i dont yet have whooppies, but am in research phase and it seems the best solution ever, if i can divert water, i'll probably loose continious loops and everything and have whoopies permanently attached to the hammock+ lightwieght tree huggers and purchase clout71 hammock and have the ultimate lightweight setup... well i havent gone hiking in... 10years, but when i think about it not being a bother from equipment aspect, im getting giddy about it.. :)
I love how you are thinking and improvising. There is no one way to use the hammock. I am always trying to find some thing new. That is how we grow in knowledge.
You always want a water break on the end of the suspension. So when the when the water runs down it. And when it hits the water break that is under the tarp. The water will drip to the ground. Instead of in the hammock. When attaching a suspension around a tree. Always use a tree hugger or tree straps. Otherwise the cordage will damage the tree. There are activists that are tiring to ban hammocks in parks and forests. But if you own your own land. You can do what ever you want.
After I finish the video that I am working on. I will make one on the different suspension. And how to use them. Thank you Klavs Vasilis for watching. I really appreciate it.
Some rough measurements for your tree huggers:
A 60cm/24" length is good for trees up to about 15cm/6" diameter, or roughly the length of your hand.
A 120cm/48" length is good for trees up to about 35cm/14" diameter, or the distance from your elbow to wrist.
A 180cm/72" length is good for trees up to about 52cm/21" diameter, or roughly your elbow to your finger tips.
A 240cm/96" length is good for trees up to about 75cm/29" diameter, or roughly the length of your arm (from shoulder to finger tip).
Thank you for doing the home work on that and sharing it. Great stuff. Would you mind if I shared that info?
@@AdventureswiththeMarine No of course not, help yourself! :-)
You mention that the cinch buckle might stretch over time? Can you explain? TY!
The tree straps with the longer hangs ( the suspension at a lower angle ) with add more force to the tree straps. Just replace the straps every few years. The buckles will last forever. I will have a video out tomorrow morning that will explain the force at different angles. Thank you again for watching L Z. I always appreciate it.
@@AdventureswiththeMarine Thanks for responding on this. Looking forward to watching that and then deciding on a suspension.
Why not a cinch buckle/whoopie sling combo? Get a 6 foot strap for the tree end and add a cinch buckle like normal. Now continue with whoopie sling between the buckle and hammock. That way you have the lightweight whoopie and all it's adjustment instead of all that extra heavier strap yet still have easy adjustment at the strap as well.
I like the idea MotoAtheist. Sorry for taking so long to get back to you.
How do you make whooping sling?
I have yet to make one. I know that they are not so hard too do. There are a lot of tutorials on how too. Someday I will start doing more DIY. Thank you Lance Rudy For watching. I really appreciate it.
Flip it.
What's the point of the music? It has nothing to do with the topic or mood of the content, and solely serves as a distraction.
Thank you Chris for watching. I really appreciate it. Have a great day!
@@AdventureswiththeMarine I sincerely hope you don't take it as a dig, but rather constructive criticism
Don't forget to milk the berries on your whoopie slings before you set in your hammock or you'll wind up sitting on the ground !!!! SEMPER FI TILL I DIE !!
Good advice Geneo. Semper Fi brother.
Hardware can become lost; if you learn six or eight good knots, you can eliminate almost all of the hardware.
I like the marlin spike. But my favorite, is the Becket Hitch. Easy to tie and to undo. I have used that knot for so many years.
Thanks for sharing that and watching Bill. I always appreciate it.
Take nothing but pictures, leave nothing but footprints ....if you use straps they wont even know you were there , and for those tree huggers rope has never killed any tree in fact trees grow threw everything , fences , cars , building if people think hammocks are killing forest wow they are just haters looking for a target ...just my opinion .........i use straps.....
Well said! Thank you 4486xxdawson for sharing that. Much appreciated.
That music is very annoying. It may add some "spice" to your video, but it's distracting. Especially since it sounds like nightcore/edm. doesn't fit the video at all.
Sorry about that. My son said the same thing. Thanks for letting me know. I am still trying to learn how to better editing of videos. Thank you for watching Robert.
@@AdventureswiththeMarine I really like your videos. They have been super useful with some things. Especially hammocks since I just started using them and went on my first trip just this past weekend (loved it. Hennessey Asym Zip expedition). So definitely not a hater, just was distracted a bit and couldn't focus on what you are saying. But definitely keep up the good content!
Oh, and one more thing. Maybe the music was a tad bit too loud as well. It wasn't overbearing, but it was about "even" with your voice if that makes sense. so even though not too loud, it would probably be better as literally being background. enough to hear it to set a "mood" but not too much to wear it can mix with words.
honestly, the music may have been fine if it had just been lowered some.
Crap...one more thing haha. The long breaks in music is weird as well. imo, if you're gonna do music, once you start it, it should probably stay the whole time. not with long, arbitrary breaks in between.
I sort of felt like you were alternating content breaks or segments of the video? but honestly, if it's quiet enough, it won't matter if there is constant music, it will just be a nice hum in the background
Thank you sir. Please let me know what you think on the next video. I would really appreciate it.
I'm a hardware minimalist......take experience and skill set into the bush to overcome the "what if's" and "what about's".......you did not mention UCR's or soft shackles....not in your arsenal? Just because your normal setup includes whoopie slings or UCR's doesnt mean you can't adapt and use a sheet bend (beckit hitch) or marlinspike hitch and toggle to adjust to shorter hangs.
@10:00 talk about protecting trees then @10:21 diss on having to protect trees with some fabricated hypothetical anti socialist agenda?
I have shown the marlin spike, becket hitch and soft shackles on other videos. This video was about the Cinch Buckle and Whoopie Sling.
I am a environmentalist. Not a person with a political agenda. It is imposable to solve issues, if one has an agenda. They can never see the issue. They no nothing about issues because they are always trying to tell people what they should be doing. When they themselves do nothing. And they will call themselves environmentalist. When they are so far from it.
Thank you for watching Bunyip Dan. I really appreciate it.
@@AdventureswiththeMarine I guess to me, when you were explaining the cons and comparing one system over the other, it felt like you ignored the potential solutions of both systems to overcome the occasional short hang scenario. Both systems can be adapted to cope with challenging locations, however if you rely on hardware solutions rather than knowledge and fundamental knot skills, you will not only have a poorer experience but be poorer in the pocket. Just feedback, as I was confronted with my prejudices regarding little "dodads" that solve issues but create others, not trolling just commenting
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How might you go about solving a problem without that becoming your agenda?......perhaps labelling things and people is not the way to solve anything. Could it be, that the very reasons you think "tree savers" are a good idea are the same reasons others think it is a good idea. I can't recall anyone back in the day using webbing to string hammocks or tarps or even considering the impacts rigging has on trees, it has been a slow and gradual change in many ways (certainly not by everyone).
I suppose you can choose to lead by example and hope that everyone else decides to care as much as you do.....or......one could be a little more proactive in the vain hope that others will at least move towards more sustainable practices......why condemn either approach? Because you labeled them?