The Most BROKEN Team In Baseball Continues To Fall Apart
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- The Most BROKEN Team In Baseball Continues To Fall Apart
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You left out Sean Murphy oblique injury in FIRST game & missed 2 months, & Ozzie Albies broken toe 2 weeks later & missed 10 games. Besides Strider IL (Season), Max Fried IL (Currently), Pitchers, AJ Minter, AJ Smith-Shawver, Hurston Waldrep, Ray Kerr (TJ Season), Tyler Matzek, & Pierce Johnson have all been on injured list! At least 4 position players starters, Murphy, Acuna, Albies, & Harris will miss at least 2 months or the entire season! Probably missing someone here.
Laureano got called up to fill in, played great for a couple games only to get hurt and miss a few weeks right when they needed him most.
And Merrifield the day after they signed a contract with him
Riley was hurt, also
@@ernestpolk9555and now he has to miss a couple more game for paternity leave
Austin Riley
As a Braves fan I’m just gonna blame the new uniforms
It's the sponsor patches. Bag of concrete stands out like a big yellow albatross. Turrible.
It’s those damn quickrete patches
@@mattcox3373 as a what?
@@babaoriley1 fr FR
I blame Chick-fil-A changing the type of chicken they use for all the Braves' problems
Wait, what?
@@kseries1981chick fil a recently changed their policy to where they now use chickens with antibiotics (originally they didn’t allow anything artificial to go into the chicken)
@HarryCooksBread19 I just ate chik fila
@@iTalkStudios I just read that you ate chik correa
That ain't all the crazy in those chicken sandwiches. It's worse. And dont order the mac and cheese either.
I’m a Phillies fan and it fucking sucks to see all these injuries for the Braves.
Noone cares that you're a braves fan
@@nickr3441 I do
@@tank6641 I'm sure you do. You're a sheep that follows
@@nickr3441he said phillies fan at least hes not a fan of a poverty franchise like the jays
@@nickr3441and no one asked for your opinion
As a Braves fan I just want us to have no more injuries and plan for a big comeback back next year when we have Acuña and Strider back
And then choke in the divisional round 😂
Acuna just tore his other ACL he is not coming back anytime soon
@@MasterCMac he’s coming back next year
@@augie2802lol the Braves have won a World Series within the last couple of years…. 🤣
@tangofett4065 one and only one. Fluke at best and your annual choke job further proves what fluke it was lol. Dodgers and Braves same team just different color jerseys. Chokers.
The exact same wrist injury happened to Derek Lee and that ruining his career because he couldn’t catch up to inside fastballs anymore. Hopefully the same doesn’t happen to Albies
Freddie Freeman should be an example why there shouldn't be much worry.
Add that to Sean Murphy missing several week along with Riley TD down with concussion protocol AJ Minter missing time, Tyler Matzek, the Braves are cursed
Braves have been absolutely drowned in injuries, but the teamwise offense has been flat, flat, flat. Only Ozuna has been the most consistent offensively with only flashes of hot streaks offensively. The Braves defensely continue to be the best, the pitching has been solid. It's been the dead offense..
We should’ve known last year was too good to be true, especially after we get stumped by the Phillies. Olson has just lost it, I’ve never seen Austin be so inconsistent before, and while Ozzie is still Ozzie, he’s just lost a bit of his flare. Max more than likely being gone next year makes me feel sad knowing he couldn’t get a shot at the chip in his last year here.
@@falcon1378 Olson's struggles have been him jumping at the ball, instead of staying back and getting his hands thru the ball. He showed good signs Sunday, hitting 3 balls over 100mph but nothing to show for it. Last night, Hunter Greene was just filthy.
Pitchers have adjusted to Olsen after last years record breaking homers season. He hasn't yet made a successful adjustment to counter the pitchers book.
stormsfury, it is because Chipper Jones is not helping out this year. Last year he was giving hands on instruction. That is why they were great. The current batting coach is terrible
Olson was doing well against breaking balls and was struggling against FBs. vs Milwaukee today he hit 2x bombs off 4 seamers. 95mph and 97 mph pitches. very good sign that he is getting his timing back
As a Braves fan this is painful to watch but it be like that sometimes.
Braves fan here. Pitching has been stellar this season and is keeping the team in every game. Not sure what my team should do at the deadline with an offense that's been inconsistent all year. The bright spots I've noticed is Ozuna, Kelnic, and now Riley. On the pitching side, I hope Sale can get to 20 wins and CPoY.
You must work the nights Morton pitches. He’s out of gas and ineffective
Never give up on the Braves, tremendous organization injuries notwithstanding 👍
I have been a huge Braves fan since 57. I don't think I have ever seen a team this talented crash and burn like this one. Ridiculous injuries, no hit.
Ronald's injury is still unbelievable. Stop and start move then bam season over.
It's depressing as a lifelong braves fan. What's even more depressing is seeing these young guy's careers derailed.
you forgot to mention sean murphy had an injurie at the begining of the season
The Braves weren't hitting before the injuries happened.
Injuries happened day 1 with sean Murphy so unless you are talking about spring idk what time there was before the injuries
@@PaladinElliott There is 9 players and only 1 has hit from game 1 all year. Just because Murphy got hurt in game 1 doesn't have anything to do with Acuna or Olson to not hit. They are the ones that said " World Series or bust " and it is looking like a big bust
Before game 1?
You right
@PaladinElliott Braves had best record in baseball and averaged around 6.7 runs per game before Acuna got hurt
Now look at them after losing Acuna, Harris, and Ozzie (not to mention Riley oblique, Murphy oblique, Riley paternity list, Kelenic wrist, Arcia tooth removal...I mean the list goes on, that's just the starters
As a braves fan, just end me already😭😭😭
You guys got a ring.. quit your bitchin' lol
Lmao seriously I couldn’t care less what happens the rest of this season. Olson can’t hit if he had a 2x4 for a bat and every one is getting hit the whole season shit is so depressing
again.. you got a ring recently.. quit your bitchin' lol
@@huntergorman5477
Not really. You act as if we’re eliminated from
Playoff contention.
We won’t win the division but we’re still the top WC team despite all this.
@@TrollinNolin95Over the next few games the Braves will probably be relegated to 3rd in the division by the Mets, they’re all all up in the Braves rear view mirror.
These players need to stop working out so hard. Muscles get big but your tendons get weak. Just stay in shape and keep your skills sharp.
Working out so hard? Michael Harris came back at least ten pounds overweight.
@@MarkNarmour Do you even get the point buddy?
Seriously and it's not just baseball
The Braves made a deal with the devil for 2021, but banners hang forever and I would love one of those right now as a Mets fan.
Agreed
Love your pfp btw
@@jordanacevedo20 thank you
I wish my Red Sox would make a deal with the devil to stop being a poverty franchise.
@@CHman712 keep spanking the Yankees tho
With love, Os fan
@@Setsotamaas an astros fan same Yankees garbage
As a Brave fan of over 40years, this year’s injuries are hard to watch, however it’s just an unfortunate part of the game. Last year we all watched the Mets go through exactly the same thing. They spun the wheel and it just happened to land on us this year. Next year should be much better.
I knew this video was coming eventually.. go Bravos ⚾️
🤚🫱🤚🫱🤚🫱
This has been a super tough year… good thing I can’t even watch the games… thanks Bally!
Well said iTalk! I'm not looking ahead to 2025 just yet though. Ive been a Braves fan all my life and ive seen this team go through so much worse. The trade deadline is near. Alex Anthopoulos is a magician. I'm sure you've noticed all the call ups thus far? Especially, for pitching. Yeah, we needed help but I guarantee you he had other plans as well. When the time comes his trade package will contain a couple of those names. Once I see the reinforcements AA aquires and how the team reacts with it? Then I'll make my decision about calling this season a dud
Sean Murphy for the first month, Ozzie Albies again when he broke his foot, Austin Riley for like a month, Orlando Arcia for a tooth infection, Whit Merrifield who hasn’t even played yet
Ray Kerr, Huascar Ynoa, Hurston Waldrep, AJ Smithshaver, Aaron Bummer all on the IL for elbow injuries. It’s been a tough season for the Braves
Wonder where Ynoa would be if he never punched that bench. Seems like he was never the same after he did it.
We also just signed Whit Merrifield and he broke his finger in warmups his first day here 😭
There's no way!??! This team is cursed
Yep! I was on the way to the Braves game Mon. apparently when the news came out and I found out from a fan next to me in the stands. 🤦🏾♀️ Olson was hit by a pitch on the foot during that game and he actually hesitated twice walking to first; Olson never gets hurt, hasn’t missed a game in years…we all just held our breath. I mean, he’s not having a great season, but we don’t need anymore injuries. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Merrifield looked cooked with the Phillies, and he did get a good amount of playing time to try and get his hitting to improve - but it didn’t.
This has been the most cursed season I can recall. Almost evvery single starter from opening day has suffered significant injury this year.
One of the few that hasn't, Matt Olson forgot how to hit.
Yo, even the guys we bring in get hurt. This is laughable now. Oh and the prolonged slumps these guys had was sooo stupid. This is the worse season I’ve seen. Injury plagued and underachieving.
Yup, basically Olson, Kelenic (who was a platoon guy to start the season), and TDA (backup catcher) are the only guys to stay healthy. Ozuna doesn’t count because he hasn’t played a single inning in the field from what I can recall.
@@blackice1796 TDA missed a few games from a blow to the head.
@@wingracer1614 not really relevant in a discussion about major injuries.
Don’t forget our Gold Glove All Star catcher going down on opening day.
I prefer d’Arnaud to be honest.
@@ronaldnorris2179 why? He’s good but he’s not Sean
Their lineup looks like their spring training lineup at this point. It's honestly insane seeing this type of injury bug. Not only are they losing players, but they're losing STAR players. RAJ13, Strider, Money Mike, Albies, and they lost Murphy and Riley for a bit as well and now Arcia lol? Now imagine If they lose Matt Olson or even Max Fried again lol.
As a Mets fan, I was getting fed up with how the Mets were doing in May, which they were doing horrible. So I decided to become a Braves Fan. Then Acuna got injured. Then the Mets started doing fantstic.
Then I threw out all my Atlanta posters and rehung up my Mets posters.
The Mets are all up in the Braves rear view mirror, over the next few games I believe they will have taken 2nd in the division from the limping Braves.
It is not just the injuries. The replacements have largely been busts. Schwellenbach has pitched a few good games, but the rest struggle to do anything positive, especially the outfielders.
Sean Murphy went down for 2 months on his first swing of the season, Austin Riley was out a month with a similar injury, the Braves have been rained out more than any other team, and Phillies are only 2-4 against them this season.
As a Braves fan I completely agree with the commentary on this video. Matt Olson may as well be injured also when you look at his lack of production especially when you compare the numbers from last year. I don't have any confidence at all in a post season run. The Phillies are now the class of the division and of MLB.
They are still good enough to get a WC spot and have the pitching to beat anyone in a short series. I'm not saying they are going to win it all, just saying you can't rule them out..
@@wingracer1614 Yeah but they will get smoked the next series after burning through our best pitchers in the wild card round. Rolling out Bryce Elder, Schwallenwhatever, and Charlie Morton does not inspire confidence in anyone but the opposition. Elder and Morton get tagged regularly.
@@jeremiah_12 Yeah cuz WC teams never win the WS... oh wait.
@@wingracer1614 Let’s be for real. Compare our starting pitching staff then versus now. The Cardinals and Dodgers were the Wild Cards teams that year, by the way.
Matt Olson might as well be injured too, he went from MVP candidate and the best first baseman in baseball to a sub .700 ops hitter in one season. That's unbelievable that he fell off that hard.
Pitchers make adjustments. Hitters have to counter. He hasn't yet made those adjustments. Time for an extended video session.
I fractured my wrist once in a similar way to Albies, albeit a slight fracture, but it was some of the worst pain I had felt. Hopefully his recovery is smooth
I know your friend's pain with my Arizona Dbacks having a hard season with the injuries
I’m a Ga native and never have been into baseball until the Braves wicked awesome season last year. So this year I’ve tried to watch them this year and while they started the season being what looked like a top 5 team. They have fallen from that now. Injuries have plagued them it’s not just injuries though I know the team isn’t going to have a historical season every year but I have been disappointed in Matt Olson and Orlando Arcia. Maybe in 2025 they can put it past them and get back to playing well
If you actually look at their baseball savant page you will see they are top in the MLB in: Barrel % (Top 7%), Hard Hit % (Top 3%), Exit Velocity (top 1%), XSLG (Top 10%) and XWOBACON (Top 1% in the MLB). Kind of shows you how unlucky they have been when swinging the bat.
Since april we have played 500 ball. If we keep doing this we will lose both wild card spots. So weird and unfortunate.
You forgot a bunch .. we got all-star Murphy back not long ago , he's been gone since the 1st game ..Riley was out. arcia has been out too and our bench player i forget his name and there has been 3 or so hurt in the bullpen ...it's been bad
Always loved the Braves, no matter who is on the roster they play as a team trying to win. It is as if invisible gremlins are on the field waiting to injure the next starter, blinders have been dropped before umpires, and all the bats have turned to rubber. I cannot imagine the physiological impact that has been on each player. No wonder they keep trying for home runs so they can just trot around the bases. The Strider injury was the first blow, but the chain of them since has been painful in more than one way.
Orioles fan here.
Atlanta, I know what you're going through.
The best thing to do is continue with the support of your team.
The spirit of the Mets was passed down to them
Can't confirm but are we sure we didn't hire the Mets' trainer in the offseason?
And we passed it right back, because the Braves have won 6 of the past 7.
I'm a lifelong Braves fan and I just hate seeing all these injuries happening to our star players (Strider, Fried, Acuna, Murphy, Harris, Matzek and Albies)! I'm just glad that Murphy has been back since his oblique injury at the beginning of the season, Ozzie missing 6-8 weeks with a fractured left wrist, Max with left forearm neuritis, Michael "Money Mike" Harris with a grade 2 left hamstring strain, Acuna out for the remainder of the season with a torn ACL in his left knee, Tyler "Nutsack" Matzek with left elbow soreness, and Strider out for the remainder of the season with a right ulnar collateral ligament (UCL) injury! I just want us to win our 7th consecutive division title real bad! We need to show the MLB that the postseason still runs through Atlanta and we also need to show the MLB that my Atlanta Braves are a force to be reckoned with! Don't mess with my Atlanta Braves because you know what will happen: you will get beat by my Atlanta Braves! Whether we win or lose, I will forever be a Braves fan! Once an Atlanta Brave always an Atlanta Brave! It's a great day to be an Atlanta Brave! Love my Atlanta Braves with all my heart! Go Braves! Chop On! We are Braves Country! #BravesCountry
Not to mention Sean Murphy for a couple months, various bullpen pitchers …now Lopez has forearm tightness.
As a Braves fan yes we got bit by the injury bug but the offense has been 💩 this year.
3:44 was that ozuna from the Braves at first base?
He played first in some spring training games this year
Yea he’s the backup first baseman. His dead arm prevents him from even moonlighting in the outfield these days.
The thing I don't want to think about I'm here watching a video about.
Braves fan here. Ozuna is the one bright spot. I punted this season a month and a half ago and it's only gotten worse. No one has gotten hot except Kelenic from time to time and if I could sim to 2025, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Huge Braves fan here. Our hitting needs to figure itself out. The only reason we are still a wild card team with all these injuries is because our pitching has allowed fewer runs than any other team. Pitching wins in the postseason... so if the offense gets its act together the Braves still have a shot this year.
As a braves fan this hurts
I’m gonna say modern personal trainers and managers just aren’t as smart as the 1890’s through 1990’s. Players use to be iron men, almost never missing a significant amount of time due to injury, and during the offseason they worked a normal job instead of training and relaxing in a hot tub. What changed? Sports science got involved and turned them into glass bones and tender muscles
I’m a lifelong braves fan and it sucks that we had so much upside and that the Phillies are so good.
Wish we were having a dual for the division but instead we may not even make the wildcard. It happens, it’s baseball, but man, we need help
I'm a dodgers fan so now you know how we feel we have the most injuries😢
Despite all the bad luck, braves and dodgers fans should still be considered blessed. Could always be a fan of a poverty franchise like the red Sox. Ugh
@@CHman712 I’m not sure “poverty” is the word you meant to use there, lol. You guys have spent plenty since the turn of the century.
As a Braves fan, I, too, was ready to pack it in for the season. But then, I thought back to 2021, winning only 88 games, Acuna going down and losing most of our starters, I thought, hey, look what's happening now: we're getting part of the band back together with Rosario and Soler coming back. Phillies and the Braves are both going in opposite directions as of this writing. It might be another freak world series win. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm a sober fan, and I'm not drunk on the Braves going on this current tear. Are they back? Who knows? But like they say, these players will eventually play like the back of their cards. The Phillies aren't going anywhere, and it's going to be a fight for the ages down the stretch like just like the Mets vs Braves of 2023.
If you like sabermetrics, the Braves are trying to find a way to replace around 16-20 fWAR.
Harris, Murphy (about 5-6 months total lost games), Acuna, Strider (10-12 WAR projected), then Ozzie (2+ months missed) and now Fried and Lopez tbd.
Also, Waldrep and AJSS immediately hit the IL after being called up lol.
They just ran out of bodies to replace that production.
Add in Olson and Arcia having career lows, Murphy’s swing still not being right post-oblique, and Riley being bad for the first half - lol it’s just a never ending list.
Goes to show you how fast things can change. 6 division titles in a row and the organization was projected absurdly high pre-2024, but these things can still happen and completely wreck your season.
Sounds like it might be time for a new strength and conditioning coach.
Riley and Murphy have also missed significant time with injuries. I think d'Arnaud too?
Riley missed a few games but I wouldn't call that significant. Of course the way he has been hitting until just recently, he might as well have been out.
@@wingracer1614 Riley is on paternity leave now. This season has been very frustrating and it’s kinda like seeing a wounded animal struggling with a bad injury that will delay the inevitable. AA will do something just to get us in the playoffs but this team just doesn’t have it this year. Scary Snit really needs to be replaced.
If you account for all the injuries it’s amazing the Braves are where they are in the standings right now. We are fortunate to have Reynaldo Lopez and Chris Sale being near perfect so far. Without those two (that we lucked out on) we’d be screwed.
4:09 my exact reaction...
The way injuries are this season I’m not convinced that Dodgers will go far either.
Hot Take.... The
Braves are the 2016 Cubs.
?? How are the two remotely the same haha
@@iTalkStudiosthe 2016 cubs were full of injuries but ended up winning the world series
@@Brav3thrills True but they still had majority of their guys
@@iTalkStudios I think he means that the braves were supposed to become a dynasty much like the 2016 cubs but have so far failed to do so
The only major injury for the 2016 cubs was schwarber. Everyone else was pretty healthy
As a dodger fan I understand their pain with injuries
As a Braves fan, it does seem like we're cursed this year. I've never seen so much bad luck.
At this point giving any pitcher a long term deal is just a bad idea
You didn’t even mention Sean Murphy who pulled his oblique during his first AB of the season and proceeded to miss like a month or two. Austin Riley was also out for like two weeks at one point.
as someone who could walk to truist park and a braves fan this is so true!
It started with Strider getting hurt at the first of the year and it's just snowballed after that I'm afraid losing Fried and Albies has just destroyed their chances though.
As a Braves fan it's ugly, may miss the wild card. Some of the pitchers are fun to watch and I feel happy for Chris Sale.
It's definitely been a tough year for us Braves fans. I thought they may be able to get a wild card spot, but that is starting to look grim now.
It’s also are coaching staff. When you lose some of the best hitting coaches and base running coaches it makes ur team terrible
What's sad is if Strider and Fried don't get injured, our rotation would have been amazing with the way Sale has pitching.
It could have been a great year, but the injury gods cursed us.
It’s easy to point out all the injuries BUT the fact is that the rest of the team isn’t hitting
I blame the loss of Ron Washington and Young .
The offense is struggling, *and* every single one of our players seems to be dropping like flies. The fact that we're even 8 games above .500 right now feels like a goddamned miracle.
As a Braves fan I still have hope that AA can work his voodoo magic at the trade deadline
As a Mets fan I know what it’s like , expectations, injuries. Once strider and acuna went down, that was it
Dude I remember every year for like a decade you guys were supposed to have the best rotation in baseball for injuries to crush it. It was pretty tough to watch from a rival’s pov. Even David wright, the cornerstone, fell victim to the plague and he wasn’t even a pitcher!
Braves are freaking cursed this year, dang...
It’s a long way to October. We will see. Oh as of last night the Mets are 1/2 game behind the Braves 🤨. Don’t get me started on that missed fly ball last night
Recipe to coke
1: pepsi
Life long Phillies fan. Sucks to see all the injuries. I guess it's part of the game but it sucks
A lot of key injuries weren’t even mentioned. Murphy missed months and Riley was down for a while too.
Ten days later, the Braves has won 6 of 7 and cut the division lead from last weekend in half. Baseball is funny sometimes. It all started with Mets commentators saying they would take over the #1 WC spot.
Pshh, Dodgers have had more injuries and are somehow still staying afloat.
Those were my exact reactions to thier injuries.
I'm a Braves fan and this season is a wash. I just hope their luck is better next season.
Just stay tune for the show!
This will go down as the “cursed season” for the Braves
pitching keeping us in. Management will bring in talent. They are tough. Jorge is back!
You said "Even though the Phillies Always Win In The End"? We are talking about the Braves who won a World Series recently. The Phillies went to a World Series & LOST. You started with how the Braves have dominated the Division 6 Years Straight but they are ALSO The MOST ACCOMPLISHED PLAYOFF TEAM in that same Period in the NL East as well.
It feels so hopeless this year, HIGHEST HIGHS AND LOWEST LOWS
I'm a fan of the Mariners and Braves. They have both just choked 10 game leads in the span of 2 months. The Mariners choking the ALwest to the Astros and the Braves giving up the wild card lead to the fricking Mets. Make the suffering end.
Washington and Young were the glue
No evidence whatsoever to
Support that. If that’s the case, why are the Angels garbage still?
@@TrollinNolin95 Washington and Young were the coaches for the braves what like 6 division titles in a row and the WS as well. And unless they somehow comeback this season for the division or win the WS then it’s pretty obvious evidence if you ask me lol. And I didn’t say anything about them being the glue to the braves having anything to do with the angels 😂 you’re just putting words in my mouth with that
@@texsion there’s zero evidence they had anything to do with us winning the WS. You’re committing a correlation fallacy. That’s a horrible leap in logic. Them not being here doesn’t necessarily mean that’s the reason we won’t win the division. We’d still be 8.5 back even if they were here right now. Their absence has nothing to do with our lack of offense.
@@texsion I’m not putting word in your mouth. I’m using the Angels as evidence for why your claim makes no sense. If EY and Wash together is that invaluable, why are the angels still so bad?
You citing the lack of offense because of is not having EY and Wash, two guys who had nothing to do with the hitting, is not a rational claim whatsoever. Correlation is not causation. You can’t look at one thing and draw a conclusion when there isn’t enough evidence to support it. That’s why it’s a fallacy.
Just because two things happen at the same time or one after the other doesn't mean that one caused the other, especially when, in this case, neither coach, coached hitting.
Stannis Baratheon is the one true king of Westeros
This year following the Braves is a weird one cause they have a decent record with playoff chances but they gonna need to find some fire in the lineup to try and go deep in the playoffs
Meanwhile the Astros have an entire 6 man starting rotation of JV, Javier, McCullers, Urquidy, Garcia, and France on the IL, plus Tucker who was playing like an MVP, and they had to DFA Abreu who used to be a top offensive player but was hitting .124. The Braves are supposed to be super duper deep, they should be doing great right now.
We’re still
The top WC team and we’ll still make the postseason
@@TrollinNolin95idk man we could end up like the Mets in 2021
@@Avg744 you’re being melodramatic. Were still on pace for 93-95 wins
@@TrollinNolin95 no man
@@TrollinNolin95 we need to win the freaking the division we can’t let our streak stop to a two World Series franchise
Ryenaldo Lopez just got put on the IL aswell
It sucks to see injuries to any team, especially one so young, promising, and competitive every year
Its wild to see , as a Braves fan I'm a little concerned that this will be a trend with this group. If they all cone back healthy next year though watch out
8 days since the upload and the Phillies have lost 5 series in a row. 6 of their last 7. The Braves came back in the Mets series to absolutely mop the floor with them in the last 2 games. They went on to Milwaukee and dominated the Brewers and are now only 6.5 games back from the Phillies for the division, despite the fact that a minimum of like 5 all-stars/MVPs/CY candidates are down and out. To me that says the Braves aren't broken but are instead one of the most elite, well run organizations in the world to be able to withstand that and be in the position they are.
You forget about Sean Murphy going down in the first game after having a spectacular spring training
It’s the quickrete patches for sure