Why Believing in God is the #1 Worst Thing for Man to Do | Jason Jorjani
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Jason Jorjani is a philosopher & author who received his BA , MA & PhD at State University of New York at Stony Brook. Dr. Jorjani has taught courses on Comparative Religion, Ethics, Political Theory, and the History of Philosophy at the State University of New York.
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Jason Jorjani is a philosopher & author who received his BA , MA & PhD at State University of New York at Stony Brook. Dr. Jorjani has taught courses on Comparative Religion, Ethics, Political Theory, and the History of Philosophy at the State University of New York.
Belief in the God of the Old Testament is absurd. Belief in a power, a Creator, a Spirit- is on a whole different spectrum. This guest is brilliant btw
Exactly…you don’t have free will, you only think you do.
I love how controversial this topic is and how emotional people respond to this idea…the Bible is not what you think it is…
I was never religious. I played in bands like Danny when I was 16-20. Now a little older I see how some people never grow. Never grow out of crap music, never grow out of edgy teen angst. I would much rather be friends with a Christian stranger than past “hardcore” friends I’ve had and that’s a fact.
Okay chadius maximus
@@stringbender3Congrats, you understood a joke. Nothing gets past you.
Same; I was an edgy little atheist, now I am not. You said it well brother.
Here’s a cookie 🍪
There is this game called Cyberpunk 2077. You have the freewill to make many decisions in the game. However, it is the games creator that provides the choices. It is the games creator that knows what is going to happen based on the choices you make. You won't know until you experience those consequences.
God is All Knowing because he knows everything that is knowable. He provides you the choice by the nature things are setup. The decisions belong to you. He knows the consequences of the decisions beforehand.
If he is all knowing, he already knows the decisions you will make, so you don't have free will, nor the ability to choose. It's not even free choice, as any choice except 1 will lead to 'eternal damnation'. So basically this 'god' character is playing cat and mouse with us, if it was true...
@@BenSolomonIM Why would God need to know what decision you will make if he already knows your choices and the outcome of any choice you make?
@@Anidominus, so you agree we don't have free will, it's all known by 'god' so 'predetermined'? Basically a rigged game.
@@Anidominusthere is free will. If there was no free will u wouldn’t think about ur actions. Wat God means by all knowing is not wat we can even fathom as ur looking at Gods power thru human lenses. When God is not the same as human. The way God can see all that happens is because he is not constrained to the time as we are. He would be im a dimension that is above us. So to try to break it down as best as possible he doesn’t make ur choices but reather it’s like this. Say ur in a house with no roof on it and he is looking from above ur house that is now open he sees all ur movements and choices at one time u are the one making said choices due to free will but he is able to see ur movement thru the house at one time. It’s hard to explain because I’m not God but to think God looks in to the future is thinking as if he was human. Every individual person makes he’s own choice in life but god is all knowing as he does not view time as we do as in one hour from now it will be 6:45pm he sees all playing out at once. That is y people think there is no free will. But God is not constricted to view time as we do.
@@Guero677 I didnt say there was no free will
You forgot God is also timeless. He’s outside time.
If I know what you did yesterday does that mean you had no free will?
Thank u this is wat I been trying to explain. People are think God looks in to the future because there thinking he is confined to the same time we are. In reality God would be outside of time viewing the world from a different dimension. He may be able to see all that happends at one time doesn’t mean that ur choice was made for u but rather u lived ur life made the choices u wanted to. He was just able to see all because he is not stuck to our linear time line as we know it.
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You're all thinking of god as a person and that's the dumbest shit you can do if thinking about a topic like this
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This sounds like very human conclusion. We can’t even comprehend what god does
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Dr.Jason is absolutely right on this!
It's all good buddy, I thought the same way. You haven't experienced bad enough times. From where you are now you can't imagine what the bottom will be like. That's where I found him at least. I ain't gonna argue. I know
Oh the arrogance
He does seem to find people that are on their knees....??why would he put you through that ... faith...🤔.I'm pleased for you that you're in a better place than before and I wish you well!
I do not agree with him but that is an incredibly arrogant of you to say. You do not know this guys past or his story.
I think Mr. Jorjani is a grifting weirdo and sexual degenerate but he has his reasons and they are just as valid as yours.
What makes you so special or the authority? We can say the same things about you and God believers if I were to play devil's advocate.
Amen to that brother
You're admitting that the concept and belief in god is merely a crutch and coping mechanism for you
The complexity of the human body and the vastness of the Universe should be enough to believe in God.
Not necessarily, but I can see why you'd think that. Just say we don't know.
Which one?
@glennc8991Just because our brains cannot explain life as it is too complicated for us, doesn’t mean that now something (e. g. god) suddenly has to exist. Also, we cannot prove the existence of god if we haven’t even come to a point where we have a definition of the very word „god“. What is a god?
God is everything, God is the creator and the creation. Everything is a reflection of the point(zero, nothingness). Panthesism or unity of existence is true. God is a great mathematician. God is a higher mind which created many lower minds.
@@sharkawy70 which one?
Good explanation tnx.
God knows the future because he's outside of space and time. This does NOT mean YOU don't have free will. You are still making your own decisions.
Religion teaches that God DECIDES the future. This is called the Divine Plan. Hence, you don't have free will.
I am not religious nor an atheist! having said that Jason Jorjani is on to something, that in my own personal experience is beyond human comprehension; his perception of God is quite deep actually!! I am a bit disappointed thou, that a man with such eloquence denies the existence of a power beyond his own, and replaces with free will. In my own experience; we are all simultaneously controlled and evolve by a power beyond our own, not just our own free will. To deny that is pure arrogance. A tree can still be a tree; but it wouldn't be a tree, if it denies the existence of what made it into a tree in the first place! I am who I am not because of my own free will, but also the countless other influences that had shaped who I have become.
GOD or the Source is deeply engrained within us all for sure. We all create our reality through our collective consciousness and since we're all deeply connected to the source, well you get the idea. What's neat is how unfathomably complex it really is. There are multiple you's and they're all connected to the Source as well not to mention every conscious being around you. The amount of possibilities is staggering really.
Then you get into the really fun Parapsychology possibilities. Since we're all connected, can we communicate through this connection? Seeing as how our alternate selves apparently all at one point were one single mind and branched off from there, is it reasonable to assume we are still connected with an unfathomably large number of our alternate selves? Could we perhaps pull from their intellect if we have something to offer the multi-universal hive mind that is YOU?
All very fascinating stuff. And the answer is yes.
Logic and reason is a scary thing for some
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There is no reason to believe that God is omnipotent because he can't create a square circle and therefore can't "do anything". There is no reason to believe God is omniscient because then we live in a universe that's like a closed book with infinite pages that are already written and there would be no change, yet we see evidence of change. I believe in an evolving and omnibenevolent God whose mind is like that of a Buddha, but cannot simply snap his fingers and save everyone from suffering. I believe in God because Robert Monroe who had countless out of body experiences (coined the term in fact) and invented the Gateway Process which the CIA uses to train psychic spies to this day said during his OBEs he came into contact with Source. He said everyone "breaks off" from it (or experiences separation from it) and eventually returns to it. Advaita Vedanta would say this separation is an illusion (Atman (small self) is Brahman (God)), though.
Beautiful
In reality, if you consider the scale of the universe , we really are nothing but a spec of dust.
Jason Jorjani's argument is coherent within the framework of Aristotelian logic, which governs our human thinking and all of science. But there may be multiple "logics" outside of our human minds. Entanglement in quantum physics, for example, contradicts prevailing Aristotelian logic. Quantum logic contradicts Aristotelian logic. In dreams, while we sleep, sometimes things appear that make perfect sense within the "framework of dream logic", but that make no sense at all after waking up. Is God all-powerful? Can he create such a heavy stone that he himself cannot lift? According to Aristotelian logic, God's omnipotence leads to contradictions, but this does not have to be the case in quantum logic or in "dream logic" or in any other logic.
Has anyone noticed the algorithm and general view on a religion specifically Christianity, which has recently increased exponentially, like never before from all areas and demographics… and even more so the opposition which leads the fight and attack on Christianity - Open till now, I’ve never noticed how much of an effort is invested to attack this religion in comparison to others.. makes you think what is the reason and motive behind this..🧐
Many false prophets will arise in the end. Same with all these historical artifacts that have been dug up. It from Satan. He doesn’t touch on prophecy either and why it becomes fact. Be careful
He has an interesting perspective. But they all do. Just enough at times to question your our beliefs. Hmmm.
Satan is a liar .
Yes Satan is God he rules this planet…
So are the tribe
Great interview with Dr. Jorjani. Very intellectual and powerful.
OK. I'll take a stab at this, since the guy in the video lacks imagination. What if God is like a librarian at a library?
He knows and has read every book (future possibilities) in the library. God let's visitors (humans) choose whatever book we want to rent. That's "free will".
God doesn't tell us which book to read. He let's us choose. Sometimes we can ask (through prayer) for book recommendations, but it's up to us to choose the book we want.
Since God has read every book inside the library, then he knows what's going to happen no matter what book we choose. That's how God knows the future.
There. Problem solved. I fixed this man's mental dilemma.
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It sounds like this man in the video just lacks imagination! 😂
Bible actually says God gave human the greatest gift which is free will.
that's true but it can't be true in reality
@@ikestrawman4625 If there was no free will, there would not be any people that think free will exist.
Also god can be all knowing about past and present but not all knowing about the future.
Scientific community is plagued by notions of classical mechanics that god does not play dice. But the truth is god is a gambler, knowing all the games that were played in the past an present but god still cannot predict the future completely without some uncertainty that is always present when you do the measurement.
But the serpent gave man free will. It was against God's grace
@@crushinnihilism The serpent gave man serpent's will which is not the same as free will.
Free will emerges from person's own duty not to do something you don't want others to do to you.
People who think there is no free will, lack this notion because they gaslight people to create chaos which arises from lack of accountability.
No free will is the serpent's will because it reduces you to the cog in the machine and erases your humanity.
@classicalmechanic8914 you can't have a duty unless you have the knowledge of good and evil granted by the serpent
Before the serpent Man was a COG in the machine.
You're either a bot or havnt read the Bible
Christ is King.
King of balls
@@ollonskall3 and atheism is the king of eunuchs
King of nothing
@deason2365 oh I believe in a god, just not your joke god
@ollonskall3 Oh yeah, what's the name of your god
Infinite states and infinite realities.
This guest is terrible, soulless human. He’s has a lot of conviction in what he’s saying, but he’s wrong. a bit of a nihilist
He's right about his logic and arguing, he's just wrong about his premisse: there is indeed God... and there isn't indeed any free will.
respectfully the first thing that came out of his mouth is what God said he gave us “FREE WILL”🗿
It's crazy. He's talking about authoritarian communism. And this "god" being the government.
Does he have free will to think of a 9 digit number which cures cancer? No. Does he have free will to choose which music he loves? No. There's a million things we don't have free will over and it's fine. I'd happily have a joyful life even if I'm a puppet over a sad free life.
I feel pity for any man who denies God.
I feel pity for u who believe in a fictional tyrant
This guy perceives he knows God…
God said, For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
I have choices and I will be judged based on those choices.
God's plan isn't affected by my choices.
This guy is just fighting reality.
I don't care if I have free will. But the concept of God who tortures people is dreadful.
Jorjani has a Manichean-Augustinian-Calvinist conception of God.
The Big Bang relies on a miracle
God's omniscience encompasses all dimensions of time-past, present, and future-and extends to the choices we would freely make under any circumstances. This absolute knowledge is an essential attribute of the Divine, without which God would not fulfill the definition of divinity. A critical misunderstanding, particularly highlighted by Jason Reza, lies in conflating God's foreknowledge with determinism. He fails to distinguish between God's perfect awareness of our actions and the responsibility for those actions. The autonomy granted to humanity through free will is a fundamental tenet of divine justice, allowing us to choose our paths independently. The fact that God foresees our choices does not imply that He chooses them; rather, it underscores His transcendence and the integrity of our moral agency. The Quran unequivocally affirms that God has endowed us with free will, and it is through the exercise of this free will that we will ultimately determine our own eternal destinies.
God has given us Jason and his word. Boom 💥
there is free will. If there was no free will u wouldn’t think about ur actions. Wat God means by all knowing is not wat we can even fathom as ur looking at Gods power thru human lenses. When God is not the same as human. The way God can see all that happens is because he is not constrained to the time as we are. He would be im a dimension that is above us. So to try to break it down as best as possible he doesn’t make ur choices but reather it’s like this. Say ur in a house with no roof on it and he is looking from above ur house that is now open he sees all ur movements and choices at one time u are the one making said choices due to free will but he is able to see ur movement thru the house at one time. It’s hard to explain because I’m not God but to think God looks in to the future is thinking as if he was human. Every individual person makes he’s own choice in life but god is all knowing as he does not view time as we do as in one hour from now it will be 6:45pm he sees all playing out at once. That is y people think there is no free will. But God is not constricted to view time as we do.
I want to know what JJ thinks: if we believe we are responsible for all actions, who or what holds us responsible? A law of karma? ourselves as in our "higher selves"?
Maybe God knows all possibilities and probabilities of outcomes and what actually manifests in a given situation is the free will part ??
GOD knows cause its a cycle that happens over and over. thats how God knows.
There’s lots of ways to think of what God is. You can think it’s the universe itself and we are all apart of it. Or that it is the truth and all that is good. Or creator that is also outside of it but also apart of it. It’s beyond human comprehension, many dimensions who knows, who feels it knows it. They are figures of speech. God and Devil and how they work are very real no matter what. You can base it off just reality of how the universe and our minds and spirits work or you can believe beyond it. Either way it’s very real. Don’t gain the world and lose your soul, Wisdom is better than silver and gold. When you do evil it will eat you from the core out and you won’t even realize what you are missing. It’s very real. Our core being could already be in different dimensions but we only see visible light and the material world. But are surrounded by hell or heaven with free will, without realizing it, then when die you fade into where you already are but realize it’s where you’ve been and you made it yourself
Its like a soap opera; the future is written and filmed the week of broadcast. And if you ever saw tootsie you know that you can go off script and they'll keep filming. Thus we have free will, if that helps. We can always go off script, you can call out, and they'll just have to film without you.
Being human is be habitual, no matter what catastrophe is underway, we still go to work because they're depending on you. Ok well when your kid is sick aren't they depending on you? So instead of being there for them, we pass them off onto someone else because your job at the string bean shipping container factory is far more important.
you see the first intention was unintended.
The west moved on from christianity too capitalism, money is now holy , especially the us , even the word profit is used , in religion a prophet brings enlightenment, saves us , brings peace and prosperity, just as profit in business we are told brings the same things
Jorjani needs to get past the paradigm of the Ego and the belief that he has some degree of separation from the unified All. As long as you're stuck in this dualistic mindset then it's all about trying to prove to yourself that you have some kind of "free will" and that you mean something more to the cosmos than the tree that stands quietly in your garden just Being.
What this guy doesn't know is that believing in "GOD" is the key to having actual free will. The devil is the mind controller. He'll never find out where to get free will if he doesn't know God.
The devil and God in your mind are actually you yourself... Nothing more than you exist in the world external or internal... Physical or spiritual
@@katrbudz892thank you! The dude above didn’t get that part 😂
So if the devil is mind controller as you say …it’s makes perfect sense because he CONTROLS your mind….he controls the minds of the MASS COLLECTIVE…and he controls it by making YOU believe that there is a God looking out for you when there is not….i mean this is profound how believing in “god” with just faith and no evidence literally makes the individual the prisoner and the prison guard of his/her consciousness…-amazing
Such a lame argument that high school students wouldn't use it after 3 beers. God has mind? So many wanted to destroy god on free will argument but can't mix berries and flower. Different disciplines...
Just because you have a destination doesn't mean you don't have a choice on how to get there.
This is where logical thinkers go wrong but the same people say there is no time or space so there for there's no one before god and god don't deal in future and past it's all now the only time that exists.
The best video I've ever listened to.
My kid likes strawberry ice cream. If we visit an Ice Cream shop, then I know she'll choose strawberry ice cream. That doesn't mean my kid doesn't have "free will". I let her choose whatever flavor she wants.
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As her parent, that means I know her very well. 😂. I would think it's a similar situation to God and us.
You don't have a plan and aren't omnipotent or omniscient. xD
He is right
Yeah...I'll take my chances, thanks. This yahoo is about the LAST person I'd take advice from.
O.k. JJ if a belief in "God" is counter to notion of free will, so forget "God" and now free will is ours, who or what gives us free will?
Well said guy
Exactly…I was a Christian and now I’m free.
You Go Buddy Bravo 👏 i did this too was Christian 39 years and dam i was scammed !!!
@@Edk3689I mean ALL it takes is for one to NOT BE BRAINWASHED as a child to the start the journey in CLEAR AND LOGICAL THINKING….but it’s very clear that these Overlords discovered the most efficient technique to keep us mentally enslaved for generations….and that IS THE BELIEF IN SOME DIETY OR GOD OUTSIDE OF ONES OWN CONSCIOUSNESS
Don’t believe this guy God is your creator honor him, love him and fear him. Only Jesus can save you ❤
Faulty frail flimsy failing and funny “logic” here. All this clip did was solidify my belief and gratitude towards God. 😂🙏
What’s the one verse?:
“The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.’ They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.”
- Psalms 14:1
Oh and God is Not a Man! Love the Mother and father and Sun! Haha bye bye ..
Well obviously if you choose the stupidest mainstream definition it's wrong. A more Indo-European pluralist view, I think allows for a more distributed agency both within as without.
When a baby sea turtle is hatched. Does God know that the baby turtle will make it to the water and survive ? And if it does will the baby turtle not be eaten by a fish and live 100 years ?
That guy does not know shit about God and even less about angels. Sad really. God is not hard to find. He walked the earth as a man in the person of Jesus.
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Did Jorjani just contradict himself, isn´t his whole Prometheus project speaks of transgressing God / gods? Now he says he doesn´t believe in God at all? Of course there is God (law) in order to transgress it/ Him? What is point of rebellion (which prometheus is) if there is now God?
Just what I thought it would be - an attempt to explain god's consciousness with logic. Impossible. Get your personal spiritual experiences first and THEN I wanna hear how you feel about god. From where you are right now it can't be done. Which is OK. We all are where we are, it's ok and that's how it should be. All good.
Maybe this god is a type of ai and created the game board we play on? Just a thought.
gods yes. and a supreme creator.
Not knowing the existance of God is the stupidest thing ever. We aren't alone we cant create our own sand or mud or planets. Demons entities are real most accounts of strange phenomena happens. Agencies knows of it and with experiments as well. I know theres a God the most high we cant simply come from nowhere. I high being has to be really smart to come up with such.
Didn’t this guy contradict himself a couple of times when he was trying to. Impress us using those big words.
do not be decieved
How about hands-off Deism?
or agnostic like St Thomas?
Yes Christianity is pure cognitive dissonance and utterly immortal
If we don't have free will, then how come you have the ability to choose to believe in God or not to believe in God? This guy is stupid.
He said there is no god because we have free will
Obviously a deep thinker and reasonable guy , but of course some of your views are product of your own imagination , cause we all do , but we sure did not evolve from fish , yeast , germs , etc there is a ultimate creator , mankind always twist and turn , add and subtract from the words of the messengers .
Viva Cristo Rey
The greatest gift from God is eternal life 2nd greatest is free will, how we use that free will is why there's evil in the world
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What I can tell there's evil in the world as a result of a need for balance of energy. This is a result of freewell
The ultimate fairness is randomness. When you understand this, you will understand God.
and he didnt try to understand bible and story of angels and more obviously
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word salad too . good day to you Dan 👍
I talk to my Angels, who I can see; and we both agree, there is a God.
Does feel like free will inside of a scripted story. Like u can do whatever I want but some things are going to happen. Goodluck.
NDE's show God exists. Don't believe this man.
kinda poor argument sice god created us to be preseant with us
How do you know? How many books and hours of research have you personally put in to arrive at your stated conclusion? And I’m NOT talking about CZcams videos because that does NOT count
Im not religious but bro is speakin nonsense 😭
Says the used car salesman 😂😂😂… GTFOH .
Wow this guy really doesn't understand the logical aspects of god and eternity and how god could live outside of eternity in order to access an entire timeline
when someone say they found "god" tells me they have reached the limit of their understanding and are giving up, either way, there is a lot of laziness in it
Could say the same about someone that says "I don't like what God or a god implies, therefore doesn't exist". Or "I don't like the idea of this or that particular attribute, therefore God / the universe isn't that way".
I'm sorry this guy didn't explain shit
The most High is real and i got humbled by him. There is a Hierarchy and Order and no one can challenge him.
He cares and designs every Particle. Master of time and space. Appreciate wandering on Earth instead of holding the fabric together and doing all the hard work. He really cares about everything and he is everything. No Alien bullshit, that's what he told me. Just enjoy life and dont care about the past. Live in the present and move on. He gives respect but also wants respect. This is nothing for the ego mind. Just travel, make pictures and experience love you know? Something like this.
“He gives respect but also wants respect”?!?! What is he a freakin man child?!?!
This guy's thinking too small.He does not have a scientific mind
This guy has clearly never read a bible 😂 come on ...
The Bible does not say God knows what we are going to think before we think it. It only says God knows what we are going to say before we say it.
I have a completely logical explanation for free.Will also free will and sovereignty can both exist at the same time.Hold out a piece of candy in front of a child.2 pieces of candy one and each hand you know, 1's favorite.You know one's not his favorite.Therefore you know which path is going to take it's not rocket science
This is one of the topics I disagree with Jason on Vehemently. Believing or not in God has nothing to do with A promethean ethos. You can be sure that ethics of Prometheus ism borrow heavily from Zoroastrianism and the Jude’s Christian God. Maybe not so much Allah since he hates Islam. And is basically annoyed Yahweh is so powerful. Ahura Mazda will become new God and Prometheus will become his first major
You talked to this clown for 3 hours?
He speaks the truth! And if your god gets mad and burns me forever in hell, what kind of a god is she?!
Fucking Aright 🙈🙉🙊