Come and See -- What Makes This Movie Great? (Episode 63)
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In my view, Elem Klimov's great movie about the Eastern Front in World War 2, Come and See, is one of the greatest movies ever made.
This video review analyzes the movie, giving you ideas about its structure and meaning. I briefly argue that it's not an anti-war movie, as it's labelled. It's also more than a realistic movie -- it's surrealistic, hallucinatory, allegorical, metaphorical, and so much more, all at once.
Come and See, the title, comes from the Book of Revelation in the Bible. We'll also look at why the movie might have that title.
All reasonable comments welcome, including reasoned disagreements. You will be banned for foolish talk, harassment, and hate speech on sight; it's a tremendous waste of life.
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The music and sound, the boy aging, the fear in his face, this movie plays like delirious nightmare.
you and other great commenters have inspired me to try this movie in a college course. we'll see!
@@LearningaboutMovies
Are you sure you can explain insanity ?
And if you do , why should you ?
It's a serious question.
I also have children.
@@LearningaboutMovies Hello. If you showed this film to your students, what was the result?
Этот кошмар был наяву.
In 83 or in 84, a film about the war was shot in the Grodno region. Students from the GDR were invited to play the role of the Germans. And my godfather went to Kaliningrad and did not know that they were shooting movies in their village. And so he arrived on the bus and goes to his house with a suitcase and the SS men go to meet him? As he later said that his whole body was numb and sweat poured out as if a bucket of water had been poured on him. He picked up a large rock from the ground and chased after these actors. It took a lot of effort for the villagers to stop him. It's just that my godfather fought in the partisans from the age of 11, when the war ended, he was 16. His whole family was killed by the Germans.
thank you, great story.
Insane. War is hell on earth.
I can understand earthquake, tsunami, floods . It's our own earth, our living planet going about its own daily life .
I can't understand us .
That part where he knows something terrible has happened in his village but his mind can't comprehend it. And when his friend spots the bodies but doesn't let him look was very shocking and realistic in a detached kind of way. Very well done.
thank you.
Ehlem Klimov, film director, once said that the initial name of the film was Kill Hitler. In all kind of senses - in a wide sense it's about killing the terrible ideology which turned people into wild animals who butchered one another, in a narrow sense - to kill Hitler in yourself, as all people have good and evil, so to kill evil traits of your own. (Germans are not inherently bad, but ideology turned them into what they had become at war). However, the Soviet authorities did not allow this title as they did not want the name of Hitler to be on the front-line. Second interesting fact, Klimov said that he was rather reserved in what to show in the movie, the atrocities. Because the reality was far more gruesome. Just before starting the film, three individuals, including the author of the script, Oles' Adamovitch) traveled across Belorussia to find and interview the survivors of similar events in the war (totally 628 villages only in Belorussia were burnt to the ground with all the inhabitants killed). They wrote a "book" of memoirs of the survivors. Klimov said that the stories told by these people were way more terrible. These memoirs were not in the film, but the "book" was always on his table and served as "the golden standard" of the truth. He also said that if he had not practiced self-restriction and depicted all the atrocities, nobody would have seen his film. It would be simply unbearable for people to watch it.
outstanding comment. thank you very much.
@@LearningaboutMovies czcams.com/video/VN9_r1NEnGM/video.html here's him say that. Thought you might be interested. Thank you so much for your video
Where can I read the book???
@@V4l3ri4C2 I just quoted Elem Klimov on the "book". As soon as I understand, the book may not exist in the discussed way - these were stories personally collected by the script writer Ales Adamovich (this is the right English spelling) from survivors of the war on the territory of Belorussia... I guess these stories have never been published and one can find them only in the archives. Ales Adamovich participated in the war and eventually became a famous Belorussian book writer. He definitely used these stories for his book. He largely wrote books on war topics. If you google his name, you will find a book on the Siege of Leningrad, for example. There is also another book about Khatyn (!!!) - this must contain some of these stories. The plot of the film "Come and See" is based exactly on what happened in the village of Khatyn. It's title is "The Khatyn Story" (1971)
@@V4l3ri4C2 По-русски "Я из огненной деревни". На английском языке не нашёл.
I think what arguably adds to the horrors of this film is how Florya’s physical existence is absent of this world. In the beginning of the film, when Floyra interacts with Glasha, she quotes “Why won’t you see me? I’m right here…I exist…Here I am. You’re not living.” Whether or not this was meant figuratively or literally, she gives the audience some context to our protagonist’s equivocal state of existence.
Throughout the film, we follow in the footsteps of Floyra’s perilous journey, witnessing the ebb and flow of his struggle to survive, the atrocities he witnesses and eventually his acceptance of the harsh realities around him. But the more we follow him on his journey, the more we start to wonder-after so many close calls, near deaths and traumatizing experiences-how he’s able to survive under Nazi occupation and continue living.
I couldn’t help but notice how each of his encounters were relatively short and fragmented; it made each character interaction feel all the more insignificant of an arc. Not to mention how nearly each character he comes in contact with either dies horribly or becomes lost in the white noise of the war.
In the grand scheme of it all, you could argue that Floyra symbolizes a vicarious spirit who is representative of the Belarusian victims under Nazi occupation. Assuming he is nonexistent, his omnipresence acts in place as a key witness and a photo-journalistic lens to what a multitude of secondary and tertiary characters experience as a their reality.
In the beginning, Floyra appears as a young, naive boy who is eager for battle; as the film progresses we start to see him deteriorate severely on a physical and mental level, nearly to the point of literal death. This can be representative of the immense weight that he carries from his attainment for wisdom and mindfulness, unable to fathom just how colossal of a toll war has on humankind.
Floyra’s omnipresence is shown one last time, as he presumably catches up with a battalion of young soldiers eager for some action. Our moral compass is questioned when we’re faced with the final montage cut of Hitler and his mother-the innocence of a naive child, only to be lost in pursuit of pure hatred and blatant xenophobia. And just like that, the cycle continues. War marches on, and bloodshed never seizes to exist.
Documentarian-esque screenwriting. How reality is meant to be seen.
very excellent, thank you.
Но главный герой в финальных кадрах не стал стрелять в ребёнка, даже, если это будущий Гитлер.
I will never forget that scene when they threw the baby in the church at the end
the whole fourth section of the movie ... oh my.
@@LearningaboutMovies The Silence after the Nazi says "you can come out if you leave your children" followed by the intensified screams of the villagers really haunts me and i will never forget it
Such things happened.
All western folks call it a church for whatever reason. Don't know why. It's actually a granary.
It doesn't change any meaning of the scene, just decided to put this small correction here. That's all.
@@Antagonopolis I call it a Church and I'm Polish.
I watched the film today, I think it’s important for people to see films like this, no glorification just truth and grit ,a real powerful depiction
thank you.
Watching this movie feels like an empathy explosion, you just can't stay unmoved by what the character is going through. It genuienly changed my vision of humanity and introduced me to the enternal problem of evil.
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man's inhumanity to man, which possibly no utopian solution, political or technological or otherwise, can solve. The boy in the movie certainly grows up. He looks like an old man in the end, sadly.
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The most important part about the movie imo is slowly watching the boy lose hope and emotion and realizing how unforgiving and cruel humans can truly be. Truly incredible movie
yes I agree.
4:27 That plane is not a bomber. It’s a recon plane. The same one that spotted him on the beach with his found SVT-40. That plane called in the Germans to “investigate” Floria’s village and its related massacre. The explosions in the later scene is artillery called in from that same recon plane.
yes, thank you.
I think everybody in the internet is saying it's a anti - war film coz it doesn't glorify the war in any angle and shows the horror of it in every angle.
and also that you need to fight back against fake invaders who claim to be liberators -- that was my point. It's not "against war" or pacifist, as "anti-war" might imply.
@@LearningaboutMovies You're really bent on projecting your own worldview onto it, are you?
@@garorobe he's putting his own argument to it. Nothing wrong with that it's very creative
@@LearningaboutMovies That's where 1st person surrealistic view comes in - to convey what it's like to be in a war. Most people wouldn't want to participate in anything like it
I think the final scene when images of Hitler's childhood flash across the screen is also 'anti-war', as that is the moment he realises that the person he is pointing his gun at is just as human as he is. He is enlightened to the fact that there are no enemies and there are no heroes, there is only human evil, an anybody is capable of it.
There are many Soviet films about the war. They are very real because the writers, Directors and actors saw a real war.
yes, thank you.
do you recommend any other soviet films??
@@elmo2738 at war as at war -- 1968
only old men go into battle -- 1973
they fought for the motherland -- 1975
and the dawns are quiet here -- 1972
torpedo bombers -- 1983
ivan childhood -- 1962
lark -- 1964
the fate of man -- 1956
ask if you will have any questions
@@user-wv2ke6lb4j I recently watched Ivans Childhood, very great movie
@@qwejxkwbdk I recommend you to watch the movie "Cranes are flying" 1957 (there is a version with English subtitles)
I watched this movie yesterday. And I don't think I have ever seen more powerful war movie than "Come and See". What makes is unique is the absence of background music throughout most of the movie and instead natural sounds of war and devastation. You have made a great analysis by the way.
Fortunately and coincidentally I ( came and saw.) this film just two days ago, it was unbelievable, incredible and breathtaking experience, I sat astonished by this flow of astounding scenes. I respect many many other Soviet movies by the way, one of my favourites of all times is the Cranes Are Flying, which I hope you talk about it someday.
yes, that is on my list of movies to make videos of, that and "Letter Never Sent". Thank you.
@@LearningaboutMovies One of my favorite war movies is "The Wounded Game" - Подранки (of 1977 if I am not mistaken). It's not actually about the war itself, it's rather about the children whose lives were psychologically devastated by the war. Unfortunately, it is not available with English subs.
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The Cranes are Flying is so fucking great. You have great taste
советую посмотреть также фильм-\проверка на дорогах\
My grandfather died in ' 44 near Riga. A month before his death, he was awarded the medal "For Bravery". My great-grandfather went missing at Stalingrad in ' 42. My second grandfather was a signalman and defended Leningrad. When he was demobilized, he was 180 centimeters tall and weighed 46 kilograms.
They were called up from Yakutsk. Look at the map where it is.
We went to this film as a whole class, I was 11 years old at the time. Now I'm 45 and I don't have the mental strength to watch it a second time.
There is a song called "the Eternal Flame"
and there are these words:
There is not some family in Russia,
who has not remembered their heroes.
And the eyes of young soldiers
Are looking at us from faded pictures.
excellent comment, thank you.
I hope one day there's a great movie about the Siege of Leningrad. Unbelievable story.
@@ricardocima there is. Blockade.
@@mer3abec thanks, is it hollywoodiesque or is it adult like Come and See?
It is a sad thing for survivors.
Knowing about our families, gone forever.
Pain that never really ease . 🕊❤
The changing of the boys appearance is great! I dont know if it was puberty or makeup, but contrasting his face from the beginning to the ravaged appearance at the end is totally haunting. Absolute Masterpiece!
yes, for sure. thank you.
It’s makeup. They also gradually died his hair gray over filming (they filmed chronologically to aid in the boy’s performance) … there’s an Internet legend that the boy’s hair turned gray during filming but that’s not true.
Saw film earlier this week for the first time and it has managed to kickstart me on a project of letters my mother's family in Nazi occupied Czechoslovakia. Her mother and sister died in Auschwitz/Birkenau in 1944. My mother left in 1939 to visit a cousin in the US but war started and she was stuck in England. She never saw her family again and never met the cousin until we'd moved to Canada in 1955. Her father died at Mauthausen in Austria in 1942 (ironic as he'd been in the Austro-Hunngarian army in WWI).
just to clarify it's not a bomber but a reconnaissance plane ..... which makes sense because thats why it was his fault....he dug up the gun and they saw it....and potentially thats why they targeting his village (in his head anyway)
thank you, yes, somebody else just said that. That is quite neat!
it's not his fault! this is entirely the fault of the Germans!
I think the plane was also metaphorical. It was always hovering. The boy was always looking up at it, never able to escape it.
That's not a bomber, that's a Fokker Wulf FW 189 recon plane, the eye, the observer in the sky. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_189
thank you.
+1. It was called 'Rama' ('frame') by Soviet soldiers and had a bad reputation floating high above infantry positions, bringing artillery and airstrikes afterwards. It's also known to have an unsettling and annoying humming noise. There are like a lot of veterans memoirs noting that. So it's kinda 'a doom plane' I'd say.
@@LearningaboutMovies ,
it's like a black angel the harbinger of death
[Come and see.]
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.
@@LearningaboutMovies LOL WWII geeks are implacable.
Being 'anti-war' doesn't have to mean pacifist per se. Being anti-war can also mean hating wars and abominations but at the same time understanding the value of having circumstances when there is nothing else to do. If you do nothing, it will be even more catastrophic.
Take Nazism as an example. Be a pacifist and try to defend yourself with passive resistence which is ... broadly speaking ... what pacifists want to resist invasion with, would be devastating against Nazists.
Nazi ideology means killing all opponents and murdering large sections of the population...as much as they can.
Passive resistance would help the Nazis to do so. They would be very happy about passive resistance....it will be no resistance left and the Nazis will have a party.
I'm insanely anti-war but at the same time understand that it's important to make resistance that works and in some cases it means violence.
I think 'Come and see' is anti-war. But resistence is important...or else....
At the end of the film, when the Nazis and Belarusian traitors are killed, they don't set fire to everyone alive, but shoot them first. No revenge for the Nazis setting fire to the villagers ... babies ... alive.
They just wanted to end the madness.
When the protagonist shoots at the picture of Hitler, you can see in the fast flashback Hitler as a child (even if it is satisfying to do so in anger), he understands that it is not revenge that is important. It is to end the ... for us ... incomprehensible suffering and the whole thing is nuts. That's at least my interpretation....and being anti-war doesn't necessarily means to be pacifist. I'm not.
This is one of the greatest movies I've ever seen. It has a very great artistic value and fantastic cinematic craftsmanship.
I'm very sensitive and usually can't bear too much graphic violence .... I'm that guy who closes his eyes and covers his ears.
But I was totally captivated by the movie and couldn't take my eyes off the screen...sometimes I rewinded to see certain scenes over and over again?! And that really says something!
I will never see it again dough.
thank you. fair enough.
Being a pacifist is bullshit if someones tryna kill you then kill them first.
There is also an equally great film (just not so cruel), directed by Elem Klimov's wife Larisa Shepitko called "The Ascent" (1976), you definitely should check it. The film also has an interesting story of creation. Due to the fact that the plot is intertwined with the Bible, Shepitko fought for a long time for the right to get permission to make this movie from State Committee, which was not enthusiastic about religious motives (as is well known religion in the USSR was not welcomed). The film is in good quality on the Mosfilm official YT-channel, it even seems to have English subtitles
excellent. I am going to watch that this month. It's on the Criterion Channel right now.
@@LearningaboutMovies Boris Plotnikov, the actor who played Sotnikov in this film, died on December 2, 2020... Covid. This was his first film role.
Thank you for your commentary! I recently saw this movie on youtube and I almost turned it off, I was really close to doing that. Without anything else to do I left it on and then I was so intrigued, I just kept watching! I feel the movie is spellbinding! It reminds me of when you are really sick with the flu and your getting out of bed and returning to normal but nothing feels quite right, like your almost dreaming. Thats what this movie felt like for me. Like an altered sense of consciencenous. New sub so thanks and greetings from Illinois!
greetings and welcome, fellow Midwestern and prog lover!
The scariest movie isn’t even a horror
You don't need to be pro war to fight for your life. I think this movie is the most anti-war movie that I've ever seen, because it doesn't glorify war in the slightest. War is shown only as the utter destruction and horror as it is.
America has a Quaker tradition, for example, that refuses to fight no matter what. There is such a thing as strict pacifism. This is partly what I was referring to, since "anti-war" has been stretched to mean everything from that to so-called pre-emptive war for defensive purposes.
@@LearningaboutMovies I think the war in the Eastern front in WW2 is very specific in that regard, since it isn't just a war of occupation, it was a war of eradication, as shown in this movie. I would encourage you to read about "Generalplan Ost".
right. my point is that "anti-war" is often assumed to be "against going to war," which is not what this movie is arguing. In America, there are lots of those kinds of anti-war movies about unjust it was to wage or fight in a war.
@@LearningaboutMovies How is this movie not against going to war? The protagonist never even fires a shot against a human. There is only clear condemnation against the nazis that went on a warring spree in all of Europe. I have never seen an American movie coming close to making war out to be as horiffic as come and see did
Hitler invades your country and wants to kill all of you. This movie in no way says, "just let him." Thus it is FOR WAR AGAINST HITLER who is going to kill you and yours if you let him.
One of the most insightful reviews of Come and See I've encountered. Well done!
thank you. thank you for watching. I have another video on this film, on the channel, about some of the great shots in it.
Надеюсь после просмотра, ваш народ поймёт,почему нам дорога память о войне,никогда не забудем,будем помнить и передавать поколениям всю боль и ужас,который пережили наши предки,будут парады,будут дни памяти,будут в школе изучать дети нашу эту победу со слезами на глазах,вечная память народу СССР,который это пережил...
thank you. Google translated for English-language readers:
"I hope after watching, your people will understand why the memory of the war is dear to us, we will never forget, we will remember and pass on to generations all the pain and horror that our ancestors experienced, there will be parades, there will be days of remembrance, children will study our victory at school with tears in my eyes, eternal memory to the people of the USSR who survived this ..."
Ты эту гордость прикрути, нечем тут гордиться, парады проводить,да с соседями воевать вот только и осталось,
@@voxxxapiter4564 не ссы,сосед
@@vz5724 Да за себя я не ссу, а вот за детей обидно, что страна победительница живет хуже всех, и главное никаких перспектив, Только войной и хвалимся,
@@voxxxapiter4564 не надо все смешивать в кучу, они жизнь положили, а мы возможно просрали,но от этого ничего не меняется, почему я не должна ими гордиться, они то причём?
Greatest movie ever made.
a contender.
@@LearningaboutMovies not a contender, it is the greatest movie ever made
@@LearningaboutMovies because 27 mln russian people were killed
@@desmoulins4156 So what? It's the best war movie, no doubt. But art has nothing to do with body counts. By the way, the best movie ever is 2001, the second is 8 1/2, the third is Le Mepris. :)
@@desmoulins4156that was the most stupid comment I've ever read .congratulations
great video! but the plane wasnt a bomber. its a recon plane that scouts for enemies/targets over an area and relays that info back to their unit for artillery or planned attacks. it could foreshadow whats coming to him. it follows him and unsettles the audience as we know hes being watched and cant escape the upcoming horrors
thank you!
I fell in love with a Belarussian girl who looked like Glasha (the girl in the movie) and lived in Minsk with her for two years. That was a long time ago.
heh, yes it was.
Ох ребята, Советское кино ещё много нового и интересного вам откроет! Я вам даже немного завидую.
what do you recommend? Westerners are familiar with Eisenstein and Tarkovksy, and a few know Kalazatov. What else?
@@LearningaboutMovies Вы наверное имеете ввиду Михаила Колотозова "Летят журавли"? Могу порекомендовать вам Сергея Бондарчука "Война и Мир" 1965г. 4 серии, "Судьба человека" 1959г. "Свой среди чужих, чужой среди своих" 1974г. "Раба Любви" 1975г. Никита Михалков. "Жестокий романс" 1984г. Эльдар Рязанов. Если вы смотрели "Сталкер" Тарковского и "Солярис" то это вы большой молодец!
Так же порекомендую "А зори здесь тихие" 1972г. Станислав Ростоцкий. "Всё остается людям" 1963г. Георгий Натансон, "Последний дюйм" 1959г. Никита Курихин, Теодор Вульфович. "Девчата" 1962г. Юрий Чулюкин., "Республика ШКИД" 1966г. Генадий Полока. "Вий" 1967г. Георгий Кропачев, Константин Ершов. "Три плюс Два" 1963г Генрих Оганесян. "Человек -Амфибия" 1961г. Владимир Чеботарев, Геннадий Казанский. "Джентельмены удачи" 1971г. Александр Серый. "Мери Поппинс, до свидания" 1983г. Леонид Квинихидзе. "Куколка" Исаак Фридберг. "Курьер" 1986г. Карен Шахназаров. "Тот самый Мюнхгаузен" 1979г. Марк Захаров. Возможно моя подборка кому-то покажется спорным(может порекомендовать свои фильмы), но честно признаюсь, когда вы написали что вам порекомендовать я растерялся, так как я не знаю есть ли переводы фильмов, насколько они качественные для понимания иностранного зрителя, есть ли какие-то адаптации этих фильмов. По этому попытался предположить фильмы, переводы на которые возможно имеются, хотя не уверен, что на все мною перечисленные есть переводы. По этой же причине некоторые фильмы я не указал вовсе.
Могу ещё порекомендовать Российские фильмы, переводы которых наверняка имеются. "Возвращение" 2003г. Андрей Звягинцев, "Остров" 2006г. Павел Лунгин. "Папа" 2004г. Владимир Машков.
Here's the Google Translate of this comment, which has some fabulous recommendations. Thank you so much!
You probably mean Mikhail Kolotozov "The Cranes Are Flying"? I can recommend you Sergei Bondarchuk "War and Peace" 1965. 4 series, "The Fate of Man" 1959 "At home among strangers, stranger among friends" 1974 "Slave of Love"
1975 Nikita Mikhalkov. "Cruel Romance" 1984 Eldar Ryazanov. If you've watched Tarkovsky's "Stalker" and "Solaris", then you are a great fellow!
I will also recommend
"The Dawns Here Are Quiet" 1972. Stanislav Rostotsky.
"Everything Remains for People" 1963 Georgy Natanson,
"The Last Inch" 1959 Nikita Kurikhin, Theodor Vulfovich.
"Girls" 1962 Yuri Chulyukin.,
"Republic of ShKID" 1966. Gennady Poloka.
"Viy" 1967 Georgy Kropachev, Konstantin Ershov.
"Three plus Two" 1963 Henrikh Hovhannisyan.
"Human-Amphibian" 1961 Vladimir Chebotarev, Gennady Kazansky.
"Gentlemen of Fortune" 1971 Alexander Sery.
"Mary Poppins, Goodbye" 1983 Leonid Kvinikhidze.
"Doll" Isaac Friedberg.
"Courier" 1986 Karen Shakhnazarov.
"That same Munchausen" 1979 Mark Zakharov.
Perhaps my selection will seem controversial to someone (he can recommend his films), but I honestly admit that when you wrote what to recommend to you, I was at a loss, because I do not know if there are translations of films, how high-quality they are for understanding a foreign viewer, are there any then adaptations of these films. Therefore, I tried to suggest films, translations of which may be available, although I am not sure that there are translations for all of the ones I have listed. For the same reason, I did not list some films at all.
I can also recommend Russian films, the translations of which are probably available.
"Return" 2003 Andrey Zvyagintsev,
"The Island" 2006 Pavel Lungin.
"Dad" 2004 Vladimir Mashkov.
@@LearningaboutMovies 1) Белорусский вокзал (драма, реж. Андрей Смирнов, 1970 г.) 2) Они сражались за родину ( реж. Сергей Бондарчук, 1975 г.) 3) Обыкновенное чудо (фильм, 1978) Эраст Гарин 4)Тот самый Мюнхгаузен (комедия, реж. Марк Захаров, 1979 г. 5) Свой среди чужих, чужой среди своих (драма, реж. Никита Михалков, 1974 г.)
AND !!!!! Судьба человека (драма, реж. Сергей Бондарчук, 1959 г.)!!!!!!!
Коммунист. Фильм очень близкий по напряжённости к Иди и смотри. Сильнейший фильм.
Let me tell you an experience as the viewer of the film...
The whole experience was uncomfortable, not like "Human centipede uncomfortable" but still uncomfortable. I couldn't watch it in one take, i had to watch it slowly so i could prepare my mind, it took me two days to watch it entirely.
After watching this movie, i now had a diffrent views of war, we've been brainwashed that "war wasn't that bad" "war was fun" "death in war is cheap" an something like that, i recommend this movie to anyone who can force their eyes to watch this movie, but if you can't, that's okay, because you just saved yourself
excellent. thank you.
I agree with you . I also couldn't see it in one session . It's overwhelming .
Raw emotions surface and it's unsettling to continue to watch. It's so real , anyone that was an innocent person in the middle of war knows that .
FACT: The Nazi brigade that you see operating in this movie actually existed. It was the Dirlewanger brigade headed by Oscar Dirlewanger who was a psychopath and he has spent many years in prison for multiple crimes. All the members of his brigade was former prisoners and soldiers with mental health issues. They were sent to war anyway because they were expect to die . They were given the most dangerous missions. They did much worse atrocities that you actually see in that movie. Even the other Nazis brigade was afraid of the Dirlewanger brigade and that tells A LOT ! ! That Brigade operated in Poland, Byelorussia, Slovakia and Hungary. All these countries know well about the Dirlewanger brigade not necessarily by the brigade name but the way they were torturing , raping and killing. They had the nastiest modus operandi of all ss soldiers.
excellent comment with great info. thank you.
This was one of a number of such brigades. The purpose they served was to cover the rear for Vermacht forces by eliminating the guerilla resistance forces that were formed from the civilian sector. What they were doing in reality is purging the civilian population and only aggrovating people into joining and forming those resistance brigades and fuelling the population's hatered toward the Germans. They weren't sent on any dangerous missions and used to follow the Vermacht armies entering areas that were either already cleared or had no real resistance and committed atrocities and war crimes with the population residing there. Many regular Vermacht soldiers and officers despised them and even some SS members found them to be an embarrassment to the German military forces and uniform. Often soldiers were sent to those units as a punishment or penalty for various misconduct and they contained the most antisocial element the German military had in its midst some of which had a criminal past all the way from the German civilian sector - like Deirlewanger himself who served a sentence for sexually assaulting a minor before the war. Those were disgraceful and absolutely disgusting brigades which were feared by the occupied population and despised by most of the regular German military who often had to clear the way for them facing real military opposition and doing the dirty work so to speak, only so that those animals could enter villages and commit murder, rape, torture and loitering.
@@SoLalbUs You don't know what you are talking about. they were definitely Sent on the Most Dangerous Missions. Soldiers with discipline problems and criminals from within Germany often ended up in the "Strafbattalion" and the Dirleanger Brigade was one of them. The Strafbattalion performed awful missions such as clearing minefields. Yes they were also used to crush partisans and discouraging people from joining them but it Was NOT their Only Purpose ! They performed different missions in Poland, Byelorussia, Slovakia and Hungary. If you knew anything about war you would know that former prisoners, captured enemies and slaves Were Always Used on the Most Dangerous and Deadliest Missions. I don't know why people like you want to argue just for the sake of arguing without having NO CLUE of what you are talking about. Don't expect any more responses from me I just wanted to make the facts straights again so nobody can get Mislead by your snake tongue.
@@Bravo-xr9yr Name at least one extreme mission they performed please. There are testimonies of Vermacht soldiers who served in the war, ran into them and even had to clear up partisan rings for them loosing men while those "heroes" were following in their tracks and when the job was done descending on the battle site and taking trophies by removing ears and noses from the dead and the dying while gutting the ones that were still breathing - the most disgraceful type of behaviour. Those units are not known for any combat missions at all. Their entire reputation was earned from purging civilian sectors in the rural areas of Poland, Belarus and Hungary. As for you - Google shall be your aid I guess.
The director used not pyrotechnics but live ammunition (shells, rounds) to make it more naturalistic, and cow death is also real (the cow was ill and old so it would have been killed anyway).
that's remarkable. thank you.
I saw it . And it actually happened to my ancestors not in Russia not in Belarus but in Serbia . I saw it twice . MASTERIPECE.But one thing you should know that movie is SOVIET not Belarus production = it was shot 1985 in SOVIET UNION What happened to this Belarusian vilage was happeninG in whole Sovet Union and part of Eastern Europe where I am living. I got first hand account when i was child from my grandmother who fought with gun in her hand for freedom and saw whole her village and her family put to death by fire in local church.It is the best anti war movie ever produced. Should won an Oscar but by standards of the damn Holiwood was too upsetting...And every shot in this movie are reality not a boy`s dream. Director used real ammo during the filming and actors was in real mud and the cow is dead , realy dead and you must me utterly ignorant to say that this his somebodyS imagination . This And much worse is what really happened in WW2
thank you. what happened to your ancestors is horrible beyond belief. the movie honors them by not only capturing their reality, but also their perceptions, their feelings, and their nightmares/dreams, transferring them to the audience.
belarus is soviet you dummy. the term “soviet” refers to the entirety of people in the USSR, not just russians. “soviet” literally just means worker council.
@@drill6739 after the fall of USSR the separated nations tend to forget that we were a United nation back then and these atrocities happened everywhere, not just in one state.
Masterpiece is my description. It is truly brutal and beautiful at the same time.
thank you.
I feel there's more symbolism here not being analyzed. The crane in the woods, the dancing the group photo in the beginning and the group photo later. And on and on. A lot of videos about this movie are just kinda vague. I feel it would be a pretty big project to breakdown all the symbols in the film
This is my top WW2 movie - nothing comes close to this for atmosphere. It immerses the viewer in a sense of the sheer infernal horror of nazi evil, and in my view probably brings one as close to it as it's possible to get to that via the cinematic medium. I found the tension of this film unbearable, and I've known people just flat out not be able to watch it. A disturbing masterpiece!
Actor Viktor Lorenz, who played the commander of the punitive forces in the film, served in the Latvian SS legion during the war. Subsequently, he graduated from acting school in the USSR and successfully starred in Soviet films.
thank you.
Heavy film. But all people need to see it. It's a brilliant job. Taking off my hat.
yes, certainly.
I can watch torture porn and extremely violent movies all day but holy hell This movie hits me hard. Its my favorite movie but I’ve only watched it twice.
thank you.
you said its one of the 20 best movies ever made, what do you think the other 19 are?
when the BFI does their once a decade poll on greatest films ever, I will do a video on the poll and another one on a tentative top 10. that will be in 2022.
I feel confident that Welles, Malick,the Hitchcock, Tarkovsky are in the list somewhere. easier just to list directors.
Star Wars, Kane, Decalogue, 2001, Children of Paradise all come quickly to mind, for different reasons. Godfather Part 2, Rear Window. problem is once you get going you realize 20 is not enough.
Come and See is so powerful and about so many universal problems, and so well respected, I feel confident In saying that is in the top tier.
I`ve seen interview with Aleksei Kravchenko where he told that for several scenes in that movie make-up designer literally glue up his mouth so he could not open it. That is why his facial expresions at the final scenes so scary and creepy.
that's fascinating. would love to see a link to that interview, if available in English. thank you.
@@LearningaboutMovies I doubt that I could find it. It was very long time ago...
@@LearningaboutMovies If you kile old soviet war drama movies I can suggest you to see "Fate of a man" and "Cranes are Flying". Both are old cult black and white movies, very powerfull and emotional. I'm sure you will not be dissapointed.
czcams.com/video/ov7bKyahGL4/video.html -- Fate of a man
czcams.com/video/2OccZQmxKac/video.html -- Cranes are Flying. Unfortunately subtitles for this one are little bit out of sync
excellent! I have "Cranes are Flying" on my shelf but haven't watched it, and I plan on a video on "LEtter Never Sent." Will check out "Fate of a Man" -- thank you.
You should take a look at Tarkovski 's "Ivan's Childhood", if you haven't. Same period in history, same masterpiece quality. Instead of atrocities, the most beautiful kiss in the history of cinema.
thank you. I touch on that in my Tarkovksy-as-director video. However, I don't remember the kiss! Will have to look again for that.
@@LearningaboutMovies When the officer helps the girl cross a ditch.
Agreed, not sure I understand any thumbs down. The closest other films come to this brilliance in storytelling through scenery and sound is perhaps Kubrick. Did you catch in the first half when Florian is cleaning the large pot from the inside? I thought of the frog slowing being boiled, not knowing the absolute fatal position (the war) that was slowly enveloping and 'cooking' him, what do you think?
thank you. yes, that does make sense!
I wouldn't agree with his points of this film being surreal, this film perfectly depicts the events of war, and the surrealism comes from the effects that has on a young mind, none of the violence is imagined by the boy, the hallucinatory imagery is the effect of war in our head but not the image of war we create in our setting
okay
One of the most arresting and haunting films I’ve ever seen. Such powerful storytelling.
The aging I believe was aligorical but the movie doesn't take place over the course of months like you say It's like 4 days or less
thank you.
"ordinary fascism" is a good companion film for understanding the Soviet perspective of the invasion, as you correctly point out it is "anti-invasion" or as the Soviets understood it, "anti-imperialist". impossible not to relate it to current day invasions by the US/NATO
excellent, thank you.
War has only one perspective: the ones that died and the ones that survived .
We can always talk with the survivers.
But the dead they take their secret to the grave .
The main character! Never seen a better performance in front of a camera!
unforgettable.
I'd like to know what you think of 'The Hourglass Sanatorium'?
not only have I not seen it, I cannot find it. No library I can find owns this. Do you know where to watch it? Premise looks intriguing.
Great point that this is perhaps not an anti war film. My personal favourite shot is Glasha dancing in fast motion. Surreal.
Have you ever seen Emir Kusturca's Underground (1995)? It's completely different to Come and See, but I find myself comparing the two films because they are both absolutely insane Slavic films by directors who have directly experienced the impact of some terrible wars. Too bad it's not on Criterion Channel!
thank you. Never have seen that and so now I'll check it out. thank you.
@@LearningaboutMovies Best description of it I've heard is "if Fellini made a war film"
Correction, is not one of the greatest war movie ever made, is the greatest war movie ever made.
yes, though I prefer Thin Red Line, and one day on the channel I'll release a couple of videos on why.
The Thin Red Line is better.
This movie is the best, it's a horror movie and the most scary thing is that it all true. Live, Belarus
amen. good point about the genre being horror, and yet almost all horror is fantasy, whereas this is realistic/surrealistic.
Hello from Romania! Thanks for your greats reviews. Your youtube channel is the best for me (regardind movies, cinema critic etc.) . Come and see is unforgetable. I Your lists are very good for inspire me to see good movies. Maybe you write also, on letterboxd some lists with european, russian , french, or scandinavian movies.
thank you very much.
Every Person should have to watch this movie at some point of their life by law so they can see A depiction and yes THIS WAS ONLY A DEPICTION of actual events that happened to real people all over Russia and Europe. Millions of people where killed like this before gas chambers where even built Come and see is the most Important Film of the 20th century IMO your review was fantastic well done sir :)
thank you. yes, really, people in schools should watch it. more education here than many lectures.
I wanted to watch the movie before this video. What is more horrifying than the events in the movie is the look on the boy's face as the movie progresses in the last act. He looks like a walking dead body, his soul been extinguished by the war and trauma.
This is my 2nd favorite war film. The first is Terrance mallik's Thin red line.
thank you.
When war movies come up, this is one I always recommend. Just amazing.
It’s a hyper realism and surrealism
thank you.
Watched it for the first time today and definitely one of the greatest war films of all time.
it has really taken off recently, as a beloved war movie.
@@LearningaboutMovies Thanks to Criterion.
There were no blanks in the guns used in this film. All the shooting scenes used live amunition. The machine gun was shooting real bullets and tracers just over the heads of the actors and the cow was actually killed.
It's kinda weird seeing someone telling about this movie and smiling at the same moment, but ok. I just want to share my thoughts about surrealistic and realistic scenes. I think main idea was to show something impossible becoming possible, surreal becoming real, like Bosch's Hell descending down on earth. There are a lot of surreal scenes in the first half of the movie but then further and further along the storyline surreal and real swap places, the most horrifying thing to imagine becomes real. First, we see some hallucinative and distorted by Flyora's virgin imagination scenes, like digging up the rifle (which was shot as a child's play) or the forest walk with Glasha, and after this we're witnessing literal genocide and slaughter that actually took place and realize that it was a single war crime, but a regular war crime. The "noble wrath" (line from "sacred war" song performed by guerillas in the beginning) becomes a helpless rage in the end (execution and hitler's picture scenes). And that's what happened to common people of Europe during WWII, they experienced Hell and devastation they could'nt even imagine.
thanks.
This and The Thin Red Line are my favorite WW2 films.
All Quiet on the Western Front and Paths of Glory for WW1
four great ones.
Really good review...kudos!
thank you, Dermot.
Think it's an anti war _ crime movie. Also a honest depiction that shows one of the many war crimes in that war . They punish the German brigade he brings gas containers of some sort . They didn't make them suffer and showed mercy. The end clip where he shoots Hitler and stops the shooting when he gets to the picture of the baby . Is anti war. You could argue that it's not in the context that the commander looks at him and knows he is now ready for war. The new boy beside him at the end about to be the next warrior to protect themselves .This is why it's so clever but I think it's anti war in a sense Compared with most films ones that would like to be anti war about war have a heroic moment in it . Schindler's list , private Rian .Moments that Glorify heroic efforts not done untruthfully
There is many heroic moments in War itself.This makes the anti war film very difficult to do.
The film here doesn't have one being an optimist the mercy they showed the German brigade is something. It's important to have this movie because war movies which might claim to be anti war become heroic and these moments will always be the catalyst for a lot of emotional response from an audience . I think War is Hell. He chose a very good way of portraying that.Its about the loss of innocence and youthful bliss that a lot of teens were exposed to in that war period. Fantastic movie 👍
If you wanted to make an anti war film or a movie like this that shows your perspective of people defending their homeland .An invasion movie as you're take is which I do understand. The audience that will watch will be smaller also. No offence to people but they wouldn't sit through the beginning because of the surreal style and the very dark nature of the end would be to much. Filmmaker did a show and tell type of movie ahead of his time I think. Ironically that's being used in paranormal films and found footage like films that aren't in the same league as this masterpiece . Enjoyed the review ✌️
excellent, thank you.
It's 1943. The date it is set is important because it a crucial turning point and a lot of things changed during that year.
thank you.
mostly we can say this is a belarusian film, despite the fact that the director and the main actors were russian, the script writer (who helped make the film) Ales Adamovich is a Belarusian, he was the main co-author of the book "I am from the fiery village" on the basis of the true stories of which this masterpiece was shot. All the filming took place on the territory of Belarus with the participation of the "Belarusfilm" film studio based on the events that took place in Belarus (at that time part of the USSR and Poland), respectively, it is more logical and correct to consider this belarusian and not russian.
thank you. this different would not be understandable to most viewers, likely, and I wonder what the Russian commenters on here think of this.
Не выдумывайте. Будьте корректны сами. Это советский фильм. Когда иностранцы называют что-то русским, они зачастую имеют ввиду все бывшее когда-то советским. Не устраивайте тут национальную рознь. Это неуместно.
I watched Stalker (1979) and this back to back.......then last night i put on Blazing Saddles haha
9:24 Months? It seemed the movie took place over the course of a few days.
I don't know what the quote says, but that could be right. if this is a correction, thanks.
This movie was playing on campus last semester. I invited a girl in my class to see this movie. We had planned to have dinner after the movie but we didn’t feel like eating anything. Never see this movie on a date
bro wanted to watch Come and see on a date lmao🤣
Where can I watch this?
no idea, besides Criterion Channel. That's the print that looks amazing.
CZcams
Watched this on criterion channel. Loud, on a big TV man oh man i was blown away. Crying laughing, everything. This movie is a masterpiece with no doubt
I haven't seen this movie, only read about it, but it seems like it's very topical at the moment. 7:54
I agree that this is one of the greatest films ever made and a difficult watch. Great analysis.
thank you.
Where can you watch it it’s not on Amazon prime
go to letterboxd.com to see where any movie is streaming. this one is worth buying, the new bluray is amazing.
Russianfilmhub
it’s on youtube in good quality
I don't think this is necessarily an anti war film, I think it is more about portraying the true horror of war and what war does to people. Even those evil German soldiers and the collaborators didn't start out that way. Great film but I was disappointed that we never found out what happened to Glasha, maybe Fliora never found out either. I think this is the only war movie i have ever seen where the main character never actually shoots anyone.
thank you.
7:31 this feels very very very real
So real that i think they have. Depicted this scene from a real photograph
thank you.
0:37: 1943
thanks. Good correction.
What do you think the scene with the Nazis under the bridge represents? The boy was shaking with anger at the first sight of someone who has wronged his people, yet focuses his energy elsewhere after they were shot. Do you think he accepted the fact that they shouldn't be as cruel as the ones who tortured his people in such a horrific manner? Or do you think he was left purely unvindicated after he was denied a sense of justice? The flashing videos portrayed when he was shooting the picture of Hitler reversed, which I interpreted as him having a sense of weakness and instability, feeling as though he couldn't have done anything even if he tried. What does this mean to you?
great questions. I will leave them to other interpreters.
I felt that the reverse motion images were Fliora trying to figure out how or where or when it all could have been prevented. Could killing Hitler earlier have changed the course of history. Ultimately he simply couldn't shoot the baby even if it was hitler.
No fancy special effects no videscreen no hollywood bs actors the germans are ftom east germany this is art in motion
thank you.
Thank you for your analysis which helps my understanding of this great film. Interesting that the science fiction writer JG Ballard author of Empire of the Sun rated Come and See very highly. He was heavily influenced by his wartime experiences as a young boy in a Japanese internment camp and was later fascinated by surrealism so you can see how he would relate to the film. I don’t know that I agree about your terming the partisans as revolutionaries or freedom fighters. They were fairly closely controlled by the Soviet regime and they were regarded as an integral part of the Soviet war effort. They were fighting for survival given the genocidal nature of the Nazi threat. It is worth noting that the German unit which destroys the village and the population also includes collaborators maybe Ukrainians fighting on the German side and is not exclusively German. There were reasons for this which are related to the nature of the Stalinist regime and its pre war actions particularly in the collectivisation of agriculture in the Ukraine
no kidding about Ballard? That book is one of my favorites, and Ballard is remarkable, at least as a stylist. This movie does articulate many things that "Empire of teh Sun," though that book curiously depicts its boy-hero as obsessed with his captors, admiring them. Not so here!
If you don't know the real history, don't write this bullshit about Stalin and Ukraine
@@user-lq7lk9po7t another keyboard warrior
@@johnappleby405 another Western keyboard historian who thinks that if he watched few brainwashing west videos about Ukraine and Russia knows everything about how it actually happened, your don't even know where people were starving and why Poland and middle Russia were starving if there was no Stalin in Poland lol. Of course, you know better from your west propaganda
Двухмоторный двухбалочный трёхместный тактический разведывательный самолёт. «Фокке-Вульф» Fw 189 («Flugauge» - «Летающий глаз» или русский жаргонизм - рама). Его прозвали «Рама» за характерный внешний вид. Самолёт интенсивно использовался на Восточном фронте, где значительно преуспел как тактический разведчик и наводчик. Также FW-189 применялся против советских партизан в Белоруссии и на Украине.
here's the translation. This comment gives us details about the plane in the movie, I think:
Twin-engined two-boom triple tactical reconnaissance aircraft. "Focke-Wulf" Fw 189 ("Flugauge" - "Flying eye" or Russian jargon - frame). He was nicknamed "Rama" for its characteristic appearance. The aircraft was used extensively on the Eastern Front, where it excelled significantly as a tactical reconnaissance and gunner. Also, FW-189 was used against Soviet partisans in Belarus and Ukraine.
The plane is not a bomber.. Its a Focke-Wulf Fw 189 reconnaissance plane that guides troops on the ground. It was very light and flexible.. very diffcult to intercept..
yes, thank you, this correction has been made several times here, though yours might have the more technically accurate info.
This is the most terrifying portraits of war ever committed to film. The heroism of war is abolished with harshest reality of what war creates. It drains human life while draining the viewer emotionally.
Makes Saving Private Ryan look like MASH.
Agree. I think it is the best movie I have ever seen . And i am a Kubrick stan.
Just finished watching the movie did you guys had any idea knows what happened to glasha
good question. hopefully somebody has good answers.
Wasn't she the bloody girl seen walking at the end?
@@cesart7354 I don;t think so, I think that was the girl dragged into the truck full of soldiers at the village while it was being burned.
Great review, really enjoyed it. The only thing I dont agree with is your vision of it being an anti-imperialism movie, and not an anti-war one. At the end of the day, war is imperialism, in whatever form. So if you have a anti-war vision, you probably have a anti-imperialism one as well. It comes within the war concept, in my opinion.
thank you. a defensive war, if there is one, is not imperialist. That would be the difference between the terms.
they really shot the cow :( i looked it up when it was convulsing because there was no way
tell us about your top twenty best movies ever made. I already know one)
here's a list on letterboxd for you: letterboxd.com/joshmatthews/list/my-favorite-movies/
thanks for asking.
As effectively anti-war as movies can be, this film is a harrowing odyssey through the worst that humanity is capable of and its directed with a bravura intensity by Elem Klimov. I give this film a 9.2/10. One of the greatest films of all time indeed. 😊😊👍👍
excellent, thank you.
The first half of the movie is like " The night of shooting stars " Italian movie .The second half is like Berest Fortress . Russian movie. Awesome and beautiful.
very interesting, thank you.
What does mean by the reverse clip of hitler in the end ? When he was shooting the bullets in the Hitler's pic.
good question. Since I haven't seen the movie in at least a year, I will let someone else who has a fresher perspective answer the question.
@@LearningaboutMovies It was to show that in the end Flora maintained his humanity by not killing the baby AH even after the all the atrocities that were committed.
Pair this with Ghibli's Grave of the Fireflies. Two greatest war movies ever
thanks.
They can’t be compared and it’s cheap to “pair” them. Ultimately both are just the same genre, but the visceral horror of Come and See is a masterpiece whereas Grave of The Fireflies only depicts the tragedy of war. Also the cinematography of this film is poetic in ways illustration cannot truly capture.
please do a review of "grave of the fireflies".
thank you for the suggestion.
I feel like during the scene when they both run from the bombs the girl screamed and ran before the bombs hit and the boy only ran after the first hit. Is she supposed to know more.
This may be the scariest film ever made.
Compare it to Steven Spielberg's movie of JG Ballard's EMPIRE OF THE SUN: the Japanese invasion of China from a British boy's perspective.
None of these videos seem to comment on the section of the film at the end where Floria refuses to shoot Hitlers face after seeing him as a child and then running back to the militia and blending into them whilst the new boy is centre stage and stands out at the back of the group like Floria at the start of the film.
yeah, I'm making a video right now about major questions this movie asks. That is the main one.
@@LearningaboutMovies really? That’s awesome! This video was great, I’m just looking for someone else’s interpretation of the ending. I’m sure your video will be great for that.
Why did you not discuss the discussion with the captured German soldier and its relevance to the ending?
Because if I discussed everything, the video would be 100 years long.
@@LearningaboutMovies Okay, the original name for the release of the movie was "go and see", the biblical quote of the name, "Come and See" may be an accident. If deliberate makes you wonder who changed it and why.
@@LearningaboutMovies The new version of "come and see" photography and sound have been improved but some of the more graphic moments have been cut out and the word Jew has been replaced by Yid.
Yes
yes, to what question?
The plane was not a bomber and that's important...
yes, thank you. Another commenter downthread has given many great facts about the reconnaissance plane. I encourage everyone to take a look at that.