The OTHER Final Fantasy Origin: Dissidia | A Line Through Time
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#StrangerOfParadise #DissidiaFinalFantasy #GottaKillChaos - Hry
Ah yes.
The Warrior of Light.
My favorite Final Fantasy protagonist.
I am not joking.
Everyone thinks he is one dimensional but I think he is like a mix of Captain America and classic Good Superman.
Great!
I am so tired of making Superman a bad guy all the time!
And Captain America is my favorite of the Avengers, his movies are the greatest.
A great example that a pure heart and righteous hero can and still works.
To be fair, he was supposed to be the embodiment of the ideal hero.
He's Also My Favorite Final Fantasy Protagonist
The Warrior of Light is just cool
As someone who has no has had very little exposure to the final fantasy series this video was a mildly disorienting wiled ride.
Love the name stranger of paradise. like paradise lost a epic name for a saga.
Seems Snake isn’t stopping on the Chrischan jokes!
I don't remember Chris-Chan jokes being a thing he does. Context and reference please
I have a good theory.
Kronika is an inperfect Manakin created by Cid, who's modeled after Cid's daughter, and serves as a sister to "CHAOS". However, because Kronika fucked up a grand majority of Disney and Square Enix Worlds, and because of this Cid banished her to an outside realm near the the Midway interstate, which lead her to lead a group of beings known as the titans, and fucked up the Midway interstate by creating her stupid cycle near the Midway interstate's mirror dimension, the Netherrealm interstate.
Not only that, but Cid was aware of Garland's time loop, so he created his artificial counterpart, known as Quan Chi (who's really his World B counterpart), but because Quan Chi decided to be a retarded criminal, Cid's wife was killed by Quan Chi. He was banished by the lunfenians into the Midway interstate after that.
There, he met an elder god named Shinnonk, and he served him until his death in 1997. After that he formed an alliance with a sorcerer who's a body double of a soldier named Big Boss, named Shant Tsung. After that, he was sent into the Netherrealm Interstate because of Kronika's stupid cycles, and there she turned Quan Chi from a retard, to a evil genius, by swapping his mind with Shang Tsung, but then realized it was a stupid idea, so she reverted their minds back, so she can see Quan Chi die after realizing he was going to kill her after screwing over with continunity. But hey, that's just a theory... and not just and crappy theory... A LAME Theory!
the warrior of light is like the captain america of final fantasy!!! He is so focus on his goals and his perseverance doesn't waiver.
SOP is a great game for people who have finished FF1. It’s like we know that in the end of this whole mess, Jack survives with his goals completed
such a good time to bring FF1 Pixel remaster before SOP come out.
I swear Nomura probably gets off to making things as convoluted as possible, consequences be damned.
Apparently it’s not Nomura writing, just shelling the designs.
And if that’s the case, he’s the greatest influencer then. Everyone’s imitating his convoluted writing ✍️
And honestly all it amounts to is just to confuse people into buying other games/stuff just so they can have an idea of what's happening.
@@TheKpa11 Actually, most of the writing that many people critisized when it comes to Tetsuya Nomura's work, goes to Kazushige Nojima. In case you're not aware, Nojima-san is the sole writer behind most Final Fantasy games, and Kingdom Hearts.
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Amazing how that hasn’t come up in 20+ years. It’s like George Lucas and Star Wars (apt comparison) how it was his wife and a couple of other names that fleshes out his characters in the original trilogy apparently
Who knows maybe nomura didn’t even design any of these characters and there’s someone else who’s been making the designs and animations too. Maybe nomura is an alias even. Everyone is and isn’t Nomura simultaneously; the same level of depth as KH, behind the scenes
Gotta count on Nomura to make a CROSSOVER FIGHTING GAME have a convoluted plot.
How. He didn’t write or direct dissidia.
A very good look at it. I'm hoping the DLC's could tie into the FF1 + Dissidia Lore and help cement anything story wise.
I love when stories are re-told in a different manner to shed further light on stuff which we've already seen through one eye, especially when it has a huge twist going for it.
But I have to absolutely agree with you on your point about Tetsuya Nomura, the man really does seem to go out of his way to create some convoluted stuff. It's either
A. He thinks it's a genius of a plot story when it's just convoluted, or
B. He's just doing it for the laughs like how SOP: FFO really leans into the edginess without dialing it back down even till the 3/4th part of the game.
But he didn’t write this
@@larannoir then who wrote SoP and DFF?
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios Kazushige Nojima and Tomoco Kanemaki wrote SoP. Daisuke Watanabe, Harunori Sakemi, and Motomu Toriyama wrote Dissidia.
@@larannoir Ah, so that explains why Stranger of Paradise’s story was a mess and why Dissidia’s story was actually pretty good.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios Hey I personally enjoyed SoP’s narrative. Its pretty coherent and gives context to the first hame that’s I liked. A mess is pretty exaggerated
while Re-watching one of your other videos and playing stranger of paradise I remembered you made this video and I'm curious if it's some point down the line you'll make a full episode discussing the full plot of stranger Paradise including the DLC and how it relates to the original final fantasy as well as the de City universe?
I am patiently awaiting Final Fantasy Episode Sonichu
Ugh. Who keeps letting Nomura write things *and* seemingly do so without an editor to rein his unnecessary convolution end? Speaking of which, now that I think about it, I'm surprised none of the three main characters of _Operation: Kill Chaos_ are covered in zippers like Sora (and instead just seem bland as fuck like Sora).
Nomura isn’t the only writer for the kh series man there 3 other people with him
@@9773an Cool. They're possibly all bad too then. At the very least they aren't reigning in his worst tendencies of unnecessary convolution, so it seems like a moot point to bring them up unless I'm missing something here.
@@MusicoftheDamned Nomura's writing isnt bad is just different. Everyone has different takes on what stories they like. KH story isnt something your suppose to understand now you are suppose to think it over a theorize it. Thats why theres a huge fanbase behind KH yet nomura. He created the twewy series and its loved. He even did dissidia and xiii versus but never got to finish which people wanted to see. Everyone doesnt have to like his writing but it doesnt mean he is bad writer
@@9773an Sigh. Saying that it's meant to be understood is more or less calling him a bad writer in a roundabout way or at least excusing for being a lazy one due to the obsession with "lore" nowadays. Having to fill in the gaps of the writer *is* bad in the vast majority instances since even with an element of mystery, you as a reader should be able to come to a (satisfying) conclusion for most instances, at least for the things that actually need answers. Otherwise you get the type of lazy tripe that people like Tetsuya Nomura and J.J. Abrams "excel" at writing with nonsensical character motivations and inconsistencies all for the sake of artificially hyped mysteries that more disappointing than not--provided you ever get any actual answers at all.
You can like it all you want; no one's saying you can't, including me. Just don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining when it comes Nomura's bad writing and largely bland characters, especially via a shallow appeal to popularity. I was someone who used to be a fan of the series, but I'm *so* glad I stopped at _KH2_ given what a dumpster fire _Birth by Sleep_ alone was with its terrible story that basically fucked up everything else from then on. The later games have mostly been in the same _Birth By Sleep_ vein narrative-wise, which is why the series is such a joke now for all its popularity.
P.S. The story of _Kingdom Hearts_ isn't even that difficult to understand for the most part, just unnecessarily convoluted. There's a difference between convolution and actual complexity, and _Kingdom Hearts_ does not have the latter, especially given what simple concepts it ultimately boils down to and constantly espouses, i.e. light, darkness, heart, friendship, etc. (A story being simple or having simple themes doesn't mean it's bad of course, but in the case of _Kingdom Hearts_ that is the case unfortunately. Hell, Xehanort didn't even really get punished for all the shit he put literally thousands of people through after two decades of being the big bad, which is "hilarious".)
@@MusicoftheDamned you just proved my point that the series is not for everyone. Everyone writes differently and its not lazy idk where your getting that from but lets just agree to disagree
Of COURSE Stranger of Paradise "isn't a direct prequel to FF1".
It takes place in a completely different timeline.
They go through hundreds, potentially Thousands of cycles, of loops, of Repeats of the history of Cornelia. The only glimpse we ever get of the Actual world of FF1 is the final FINAL mission where the Warrior of Light FINALLY defeats Jack. Every single timeline they "reset" is another potential timeline where any sort of weird set of events happened. That's how i see it anyways
I wonder if there’s any connection to make between all the games. Still, it’s impressive you pulled this off.
Fine video.
“Maybe Nomura and Team Ninja will actually go there, with the Warrior’s role in Jack’s scheme to be explored in the final DLC.”
*Spoiler Alert*
You just predicted the final DLC. Which did exactly that. And yet some people think both SoP and Dissidia are retellings.
Nomura is really just a Chris Chan that got a job
Good video
A new dissidea game would be very interesting.
Due to NT's flop might not happen but most franchises can recover from one bad game in their series respectively or two in DMC case
@@Doralga to be fair, NT wasn't that bad. I think it's because of gameplay changes that drove older fans away then the storyline or cringy dialogue, unlike DMC. But I would like to see another Final Fantasy fighting game.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios Gameplay changes, bro when NT was released it was Gacha game in terms of everything and entire step down compared to Dissidia and Duodecim those games had the starting roster actually playable
@@Doralga I would call it gacha it’s more esports focus they want you to play online. That’s why they had tournaments set up
@@Doralga I'm pretty sure you're thinking of Opera Omnia, a gacha game that pretty much has alot of characters then the Dissidia games.
Wtf cid is warrior of light I played 600 hours of dissidia 012 and never noticed xD
I think Jack should consider resting in chaos.
A new dissidia game would be nice
Indeed i miss dissidia and 012
"You can see the issue with letting Nomura handle any kind of backstory"
That kind of line is why I stop myself from buying a Square game when I see that artist pretending to be a director
It’s said in the video he’s a character designer for the games.
Final Fantasy games in Mortal Kombat.
Classic Era: I - VI
3D Era: VII - XII
Netherrealm Era: XIII and later
Except this time instead of the MK Classic era elitists, it’s the VII Elitists. XIII is the unreasonably overhated one like the MK 3D games.
The only difference is that VII-XII were well received compared to the Post Classic Era, Mortal Kombat games.
I personally didn't care for the Dissidia games. All the heroes seemed so one-dimensional that I questioned why I liked some of them to begin with. I ended up despising Cloud for years, until ReMake came out and showed he wasn't a soulless automaton.
Dissidia ruined FF
No it didn’t. The heroes still had their personalities intact, and they still act the same as they were in their respective games. In fact, Dissidia was pretty much a love letter to Final Fantasy the same way Smash Bros did to Nintendo games.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios Dissidia turned Zidane into a horny idiot, took away Luneth's name and made him a coward, turned Terra into a trembling waif who needed protection, and Cloud into a teenage edge-lord. I guess Dissidia's writer didn't love those particular games.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios Not during Dissidia and 012 special with Terra. I’m not denying they have gotten better Dissidia NT was extremely faithful. Unlike Stranger of Paradise Dissidia contradicts itself and the series a lot. However after replaying them I’ve come to the conclusion Dissidia’s story line never really mattered.
Zidane was still a ladies man in Dissidia, the same goes for his optimism and his compassion. Luneth was only the name of the player character for the FF3 Remake, the Onion Knight in Dissidia is based on the job of the same name from the Original NES version of 3, he’s also not really a coward as in the Dissidia games, he’s portrayed as an intelligent boy who just doesn’t like it whenever other characters treat him as a little kid. Terra’s role in Dissidia is pretty accurate to her arc in VI (Which I’ll get to at the end), where she starts off as a mind controlled puppet from Kefka, but after she’s freed from her mind control she starts to learn the importance of emotions and becomes her own person who isn’t mind controlled by a wannabe Joker. As for Cloud, well in Dissidia his personality is a mix between his SOLDIER & true personalities from the original FF7, his personality wasn’t really really watered down. All of the Main Protagonists’ that were in The Original Dissidia’a Storylines are inspired by their arcs in their respective titles, and with their arcs being in Dissidia, the same goes to their personalities.
Dissidia contradicts Stranger of Paradise. Since Garland stated the Warriors of Light will be born in Cornelia instantly rejecting (thankfully) Dissidia’s Manakin WoL. Not only that but Darkness Manifested is a super natural being rejecting (thankfully) Dissidia’s Chaos being an experiment. As a Prequel SoP works a lot better than Dissidia.
Dissidia also isn’t meant to be canon. Dissidia (thankfully) was meant to be ambiguous in order for fans to decide. In my case I always treated Dissidia as it’s own thing. I thought the characterizations and overall story ruined the all the other Final Fantasy games. Some more than others mind you. Also as a big fan of FF1 I never liked the concept of Chaos being an experiment nor WoL being a Manakin. It left a bad taste in my mouth that SoP fixes by returning things to how they should be.
I guess we’ll finally know what’s really going on once the final dlc is released. Hopefully Garland manages to wipe out the Lufenian bastards from his og timeline!
Eeh,i thought SoP was a dumb and bland unnecesary edgy as f prequel thats just fucking up FF1's story and makes it even more confusing and whose only iconic thing is all of the KILL CHAOS jokes ,but good for you for liking it. This series is barely recognisable from what it was 20 years ago sadly.
@@AndreiCatalin42069 It doesn’t fup FFI’s story unlike Dissidia. I’m calling bullshit on that point. It actually helps make sense of a certain part in FFI’s ending too. Unlike Dissidia, SoP is not even that convoluted. I’d say SoP feels more like a Squaresoft game than anything Square Enix has released in decades. It’s as if people haven’t played the game when the story isn’t even about killing Chaos lol
@@AndreiCatalin42069 And making Chaos and Cosmos experiments wasn’t? or even worse making WoL a stupid Manikin? SoP IS the superior prequel.
@@marigdla8246 wasn't saying Dissidia is any better tho,just talking about SoP.If you like it,good for you,i'm kind of a boomer that dislikes every new FF stuff that isn't done by Yoshi P.,i just think they suck or are meh at best :P
You can say all you want about Dissidia but I really like the Warrior of Light and his personality.
He is a good example of the righteous hero like MCU Captain America and 90s Superman.
even your summary was hopelessly convoluted... what's even the point of such stories, except keeping the otakus busy with endless lore and explanation videos?