Lots of photo shopped CVO pictures, LOL. Although, some were just silver CVOs and now painted. Some seem to be older bikes dressed to look like a CVO. My guess, no 2024 CVO's 'til mid year. They got to save something for their July Bash. What could you do to a new CVO to make it a ST? Add a 131, a 135 or 135 VVT? They already cost too much, add any of those to one, you'll be paying $55k - $60K MSRP. All guess work 🕗 will tell . Another great video Tom, thanks.
I think these photos are legit, HDMC held a dealer meeting before the end of the year which is when I suspect this photo was taken. I do believe we will see all 3 CVO's announced and released this Wednesday and in dealers quickly. I also believe we will not see anything bigger than the 121" in any model this year. Will see! Pricing will be key in their success!
Those expecting the Street Glide and Road Glide with the new fairing will be disappointed. They already announce the Ultra, Limited and Trikes with the current 2023 fairing. A new fairing on the SG and RG would kill sales of those 3 very profitable models. But an engine change on SG & RG-ST a version, that would probably make sense.
The HDMC photo clearly shows the Street Glide with the new fairing. Key to me is what motor will be in the RG and SG? 117" with or without VVT? My guess is a current 117". BUT we can with most certainty say the '24 Road Glide and Street glides will have the new fairings. I also think keeping the limiteds with the old fairing allows them to offer, maybe for the last year the Rushmore design for those not willing to adopt the new look!
I just started watching your series of videos because I just purchased a 2024 Road Glide and it’s my first Harley. My previous bike was a BMW K1200RS. I’ve learned so much. Curious though, what brand motorcycle lift do you have? I see a yellow handle. Thanks again and keep the videos coming.
Hello! Welcome! and congrats on your first HD! I am using a Craftsman low profile but I really don't recommend it. I went with it because I had a chopper that was only 4" off the ground so I needed the low profile. I would instead go with the standard version from either Harbor Freight or Craftsman. Several makes of them. I talk about this in one of my early videos czcams.com/video/-WH_FVGkfck/video.html
Awesome! I think you will find its easier to install slip-on's with the bike on the ground. You are likely going to need to wiggle with some force so really its easier and safer just leaving the bike on the side stand. Feel free to reach out if you have any questions, ITFZoneEmail@gmail.com
Tom, I saw some more clear pics of the road glide CVO ST's you have. They have 121 vvt's and inverted front ends. I think there's going to be a new standard lower end road/street glides with new fairings/infortainment, 117's and standard front ends. Then Road/Street Glide CVO ST's with 121 VVT's, new fairings/infortainment, Olins and inverted front ends, then finally Road/Street Glide CVO's like last year with new colors. @@ITFZone
I am not so sure on the front ends. I just don't see HDMC not including the new suspension on the "standards". Its such a key component of the new design. We shall see soon!
Both the '23's and '24's will work with any Bluetooth headset now. You don't have to use a Harley Branded one. The Cardo does have Bluetooth 5.2 ( I think that's the version) and I would suspect this helps paring the headset. BUT I have not seen anyone nor have I had any issue with the headset pairing. Bluetooth on my phone also works well. Its the CarPlay WIFI and the system booting up all the way in general. There is an infotainment update but only for the '24's currently that notes bug fixes for CarPlay. The infotainment screen is a newer revision in the '24's.
Like the looks of the seat on my 23 CVO RG but, that's about it. Can't wait for more comfortable (for me anyway) options. If it fits and available in parts, perhaps the one on the new ST will do the trick.
@@duffyone4130 - Thanks. Never ridden Corbin but, may go that route. I'm hearing that a couple other after-market seat manufacturers are looking to have something by Daytona so I may hold out a bit. I'm also interested to see if Harley is going to have options after the '24 announcement later this week. Ride Safe!
I literally guessed they would introduce a cvo pan America in a video by throttle blip where he told us an unusual cvo model was coming and asked for guesses. I was hoping i was wrong, but nope. I mean, are we waiting a month here to watch them introduce all the brand new, super exclusive, super expensive bikes for the new year? Whoopy! Another $50k motorcycle from Harley Davidson! Im sorry, I mean 3 more $50k motorcycles! They better have more planned than streamlining the touring bikes and introducing 3 more $40-60k cvo bikes as far as im concerned. The vast majority of Harley customers aren't interested in the cvo models. They want everyday bikes that compete with the other everyday bikes from other motorcycle manufacturers. Something lije a 975 adv bike, a 1250 street fighter, or ANYTHING with that 1250 engine in it besides the sportster S??? These bikes do absolutely nothing for me and probably 75% of Harley customers out there?
Hey I hear you, the hope is we will see most of the '23.5 CVO features in the RG and SG, will see. Price will be key, the early rumors point to some price drops but again will see...
@@ITFZone I want to see more rev max bikes! Has Harley just gone to sleep? Lost their minds? I don't get it? They have this engine that gets praise from everyone who rides it. Even the sport bikes guys love tge rev max engine, but Harley continues to put it in bikes no one actually wants! Except the PA if you want a 560 lb adv bike? They need more 1250 options! I have been waiting for 3 years for them to put that engine in a motorcycle that i would actually spend money on, and here we sit, 3 years later, still waiting! It's maddening being a Harley fanboy! I have my LRS and I love it, but I want that 1250 engine!
HDMC continues to balance the OG HD Rider who doesn't want anything to do with the new motor, technology, water cooling! It is a pickle for them! I think most riders want HDMC to do well, to offer a great experience. The challenge is that is not the same at all for every human!
As always, thank you for the information. And those still wondering about their bricked 23 CVO amp, from the bad Harley amp update, Harley is pulling amps straight from the production line for the affected bikes. Took mine to dealer on Sunday and it was completed on Wednesday.
Yes the amp has to be replaced. What's funny is I am one of the first to report it and unfortunately to communicate the existence of the update and my dealer has no information. Even if a new AMP is coming!! HDMC's BIGGEST opportunity is to step up and support its dealers who are in front of the riders. It's truly amazing this is not the #1 priority!
@@ITFZone my dealer fixed my bike in 2 business days for the amp issue, and also did my 1000 mile service. I found out that Harley actually stopped line production on the 24 CVO’s to accommodate the 23’ CVO owners with the bad amp update/download issues, Harley pulled the amps directly from the assembly line, to ship.
Hopefully I will see a new AMP this week. I wonder what the final total is for those caught in this mess. I know I had a part in this!! I do agree my interactions with the customer care line were really great. It's an unfortunate error but they were responsive. But my dealer who did get a call from them was not given any guidance or information of a replacement being sent so they have had to call in and as far as I know have not received any information back. I for sure do not have a new AMP as of yet. I am glad some are getting a quick turnaround here!
As for the Pan AM it might be like the "JEEP" 99% of Jeeps are garage queens with tons of accessories. Hmmm.. a 117 and no VVT. Well I like the VVT as it is great power and fuel economy... Gassed up on a short ride today in the mountains.. 52mpg...
Very true! Since the '24's already released do not have the VVT I could see the RG / SG not having it but also since they are the "New Era" bikes I would think they would. Completely agree on the 121" VVT, POWER POWER and many more miles per tank!
The orange will probably be the 42k one and black and orange 50k. I'm guessing the cvo st will be right around 40k. So that means no regular model st anymore?
So these are the CVO's and I agree with your price predictions. We still don't know what 23.5 CVO features will be on the "standard" RG and SG and what that price will be. Will be a very important roll out for HDMC's immediate future.
I just can't see the current HDMC spending the money to have too many differences from the '23.5 CVO's. It all costs them money and I think to have too many different parts costs more for them. They seem to be stuck on revenue per unit, will see!
To me a different animal, capability I would say yes but experience I would say they are not the same. Not that I have ridden a Multistrada but that motor is a Ducati sound!
Lots of photo shopped CVO pictures, LOL. Although, some were just silver CVOs and now painted. Some seem to be older bikes dressed to look like a CVO. My guess, no 2024 CVO's 'til mid year. They got to save something for their July Bash.
What could you do to a new CVO to make it a ST? Add a 131, a 135 or 135 VVT? They already cost too much, add any of those to one, you'll be paying $55k - $60K MSRP.
All guess work 🕗 will tell . Another great video Tom, thanks.
I think these photos are legit, HDMC held a dealer meeting before the end of the year which is when I suspect this photo was taken. I do believe we will see all 3 CVO's announced and released this Wednesday and in dealers quickly. I also believe we will not see anything bigger than the 121" in any model this year. Will see! Pricing will be key in their success!
Those expecting the Street Glide and Road Glide with the new fairing will be disappointed. They already announce the Ultra, Limited and Trikes with the current 2023 fairing. A new fairing on the SG and RG would kill sales of those 3 very profitable models. But an engine change on SG & RG-ST a version, that would probably make sense.
The HDMC photo clearly shows the Street Glide with the new fairing. Key to me is what motor will be in the RG and SG? 117" with or without VVT? My guess is a current 117". BUT we can with most certainty say the '24 Road Glide and Street glides will have the new fairings. I also think keeping the limiteds with the old fairing allows them to offer, maybe for the last year the Rushmore design for those not willing to adopt the new look!
I just started watching your series of videos because I just purchased a 2024 Road Glide and it’s my first Harley. My previous bike was a BMW K1200RS. I’ve learned so much. Curious though, what brand motorcycle lift do you have? I see a yellow handle. Thanks again and keep the videos coming.
Hello! Welcome! and congrats on your first HD! I am using a Craftsman low profile but I really don't recommend it. I went with it because I had a chopper that was only 4" off the ground so I needed the low profile. I would instead go with the standard version from either Harbor Freight or Craftsman. Several makes of them. I talk about this in one of my early videos czcams.com/video/-WH_FVGkfck/video.html
Thanks man. I’m installing a set of the new titanium tipped Screaming Eagle slip ons on my 24 RG this weekend along with a couple other things.
Awesome! I think you will find its easier to install slip-on's with the bike on the ground. You are likely going to need to wiggle with some force so really its easier and safer just leaving the bike on the side stand. Feel free to reach out if you have any questions, ITFZoneEmail@gmail.com
I like that CVO 121 RG with the #1 in orange and black. Looking forward to seeing it in more detail Thursday. Love your videos Tom, thank you!
Appreciate your support of the channel, #1 logo all the way!
Tom, I saw some more clear pics of the road glide CVO ST's you have. They have 121 vvt's and inverted front ends. I think there's going to be a new standard lower end road/street glides with new fairings/infortainment, 117's and standard front ends. Then Road/Street Glide CVO ST's with 121 VVT's, new fairings/infortainment, Olins and inverted front ends, then finally Road/Street Glide CVO's like last year with new colors. @@ITFZone
I am not so sure on the front ends. I just don't see HDMC not including the new suspension on the "standards". Its such a key component of the new design. We shall see soon!
Tom, check this out on CZcams. Massive Leaks - Everything You Need To Know About 2024 Harley Models
Unless this is some fancy "AI," this looks legit. I sent that video to my Harley salesperson and he thinks it is legit, can't confirm of course.
I agree Tom... It's all going to come down to pricing
FBomb bagger's is reporting prices will be less, will see!
I see the 2024 CVO’s come with Cardo headsets. Will the 2023 CVO’s work with Cardo headsets and maybe improve the pairing challenges?
Both the '23's and '24's will work with any Bluetooth headset now. You don't have to use a Harley Branded one. The Cardo does have Bluetooth 5.2 ( I think that's the version) and I would suspect this helps paring the headset. BUT I have not seen anyone nor have I had any issue with the headset pairing. Bluetooth on my phone also works well. Its the CarPlay WIFI and the system booting up all the way in general. There is an infotainment update but only for the '24's currently that notes bug fixes for CarPlay. The infotainment screen is a newer revision in the '24's.
Would definitely take that CVO Road Glide ST seat look like it seats the rider a little deeper in the seat and more supportive.
Agree seat look like a winner!
Like the looks of the seat on my 23 CVO RG but, that's about it. Can't wait for more comfortable (for me anyway) options. If it fits and available in parts, perhaps the one on the new ST will do the trick.
@@testflight06 - Have gotten a little use to the OEM seat, but will be ordering a new Corbin to replace it.
@@duffyone4130 - Thanks. Never ridden Corbin but, may go that route. I'm hearing that a couple other after-market seat manufacturers are looking to have something by Daytona so I may hold out a bit. I'm also interested to see if Harley is going to have options after the '24 announcement later this week. Ride Safe!
I agree, the limited versions do not appear to be coming at least with this release. Later this year or ..... next year?
I literally guessed they would introduce a cvo pan America in a video by throttle blip where he told us an unusual cvo model was coming and asked for guesses. I was hoping i was wrong, but nope. I mean, are we waiting a month here to watch them introduce all the brand new, super exclusive, super expensive bikes for the new year? Whoopy! Another $50k motorcycle from Harley Davidson! Im sorry, I mean 3 more $50k motorcycles! They better have more planned than streamlining the touring bikes and introducing 3 more $40-60k cvo bikes as far as im concerned. The vast majority of Harley customers aren't interested in the cvo models. They want everyday bikes that compete with the other everyday bikes from other motorcycle manufacturers. Something lije a 975 adv bike, a 1250 street fighter, or ANYTHING with that 1250 engine in it besides the sportster S??? These bikes do absolutely nothing for me and probably 75% of Harley customers out there?
Hey I hear you, the hope is we will see most of the '23.5 CVO features in the RG and SG, will see. Price will be key, the early rumors point to some price drops but again will see...
@@ITFZone I want to see more rev max bikes! Has Harley just gone to sleep? Lost their minds? I don't get it? They have this engine that gets praise from everyone who rides it. Even the sport bikes guys love tge rev max engine, but Harley continues to put it in bikes no one actually wants! Except the PA if you want a 560 lb adv bike? They need more 1250 options! I have been waiting for 3 years for them to put that engine in a motorcycle that i would actually spend money on, and here we sit, 3 years later, still waiting! It's maddening being a Harley fanboy! I have my LRS and I love it, but I want that 1250 engine!
HDMC continues to balance the OG HD Rider who doesn't want anything to do with the new motor, technology, water cooling! It is a pickle for them! I think most riders want HDMC to do well, to offer a great experience. The challenge is that is not the same at all for every human!
Tom we need to get you a Kango hat !!! 😊
Indeed, I’m in!
As always, thank you for the information.
And those still wondering about their bricked 23 CVO amp, from the bad Harley amp update, Harley is pulling amps straight from the production line for the affected bikes. Took mine to dealer on Sunday and it was completed on Wednesday.
Yes the amp has to be replaced. What's funny is I am one of the first to report it and unfortunately to communicate the existence of the update and my dealer has no information. Even if a new AMP is coming!! HDMC's BIGGEST opportunity is to step up and support its dealers who are in front of the riders. It's truly amazing this is not the #1 priority!
@@ITFZone my dealer fixed my bike in 2 business days for the amp issue, and also did my 1000 mile service. I found out that Harley actually stopped line production on the 24 CVO’s to accommodate the 23’ CVO owners with the bad amp update/download issues, Harley pulled the amps directly from the assembly line, to ship.
Hopefully I will see a new AMP this week. I wonder what the final total is for those caught in this mess. I know I had a part in this!! I do agree my interactions with the customer care line were really great. It's an unfortunate error but they were responsive. But my dealer who did get a call from them was not given any guidance or information of a replacement being sent so they have had to call in and as far as I know have not received any information back. I for sure do not have a new AMP as of yet. I am glad some are getting a quick turnaround here!
Then sales of Ultra, Limited and Triglide will be non existent. Potential Buyers will wait for new fairing.
Only if the new look is well received. It will be interesting to see what happens here.
As for the Pan AM it might be like the "JEEP" 99% of Jeeps are garage queens with tons of accessories. Hmmm.. a 117 and no VVT. Well I like the VVT as it is great power and fuel economy... Gassed up on a short ride today in the mountains.. 52mpg...
Very true! Since the '24's already released do not have the VVT I could see the RG / SG not having it but also since they are the "New Era" bikes I would think they would. Completely agree on the 121" VVT, POWER POWER and many more miles per tank!
The orange will probably be the 42k one and black and orange 50k. I'm guessing the cvo st will be right around 40k. So that means no regular model st anymore?
So these are the CVO's and I agree with your price predictions. We still don't know what 23.5 CVO features will be on the "standard" RG and SG and what that price will be. Will be a very important roll out for HDMC's immediate future.
@@ITFZone I think standard will be old suspension new fairing and stereo and a non vvt 114 or 117 and be like low to mid 30s
I just can't see the current HDMC spending the money to have too many differences from the '23.5 CVO's. It all costs them money and I think to have too many different parts costs more for them. They seem to be stuck on revenue per unit, will see!
Can the CVO Pan American complete with the Multistrada?
To me a different animal, capability I would say yes but experience I would say they are not the same. Not that I have ridden a Multistrada but that motor is a Ducati sound!
It would be a hoot though...
CVO Pan in red? Lipstick on a pig.
LOL, I think its more Jeep like than pig like but I have zero experience with adventure touring. The bike has received many kudos and many complaints.